Microsoft Backs Open Source For the Internet of Things 136
dcblogs writes Microsoft has joined a Linux Foundation effort to create an open platform for the Internet of Things. The AllSeen Alliance is an effort to standardize device communications. The code that it champions, called AllJoyn, was initially developed by Qualcomm but was subsequently made open source. Big vendors have been recruited to support it, and the AllSeen Alliance now includes LG, Panasonic, Sharp and Haier, among others. Its Xbox gaming platform is seen as a potential hub or control center for home devices. Microsoft's leadership in computing "and its significant Xbox business make it a potentially important contributor to the AllSeen ecosystem," said said Andy Castonguay, an analyst at Machina Research, a Reading, England-based research firm focusing on machine-to-machine (M2M) communications and the Internet of Things.
They know the "Internet of Things" is a failure. (Score:1)
The "Internet of Things" is doomed to be a failure, and I think that Microsoft probably realizes this. But they also can't totally ignore it while it's the hype-du-jour, either.
The "Internet of Things" offers very few tangible benefits. Normal people just don't care if they can control their toaster using their smartphone. Most people aren't going to waste money on automatic curtains that they can control from their fridge, either.
And most people won't like the privacy implications. They may not realize how
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I tend to agree with you but not to the paranoid extent you are taking it.
More to the point, I can see this being touted for home security (being able to enable / disable security systems from your phone, turn on and off lights, etc.) but that won't take off until they can guarantee the security of the Internet (which is something no company can do). As we all know, anything exposed to the Internet is just that... Exposed! To think it won't get exploited is putting your head in the sand.
Besides, for any of that stuff you don't need it exposed to the internet. Just a local network that blocks all devices that haven't been programmed into the router. That way when you lock yourself out of your house you can unlock the doors with your phone while you are standing outside. Who in their right mind would want to unlock their doors when they are on vacation?
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but not to the paranoid extent you are taking it.
Paranoid? Companies and governments wanting to conduct surveillance on us is a simple reality that has repeated itself many times.
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I tend to agree with you but not to the paranoid extent you are taking it.
More to the point, I can see this being touted for home security (being able to enable / disable security systems from your phone, turn on and off lights, etc.) but that won't take off until they can guarantee the security of the Internet (which is something no company can do).
When I think of the internet of things, I think of those home security systems from Comcast, where the happy smiling mother breaths a sigh of relief that she just saw her children get home from school. Life is good.
Wait until people see how this backfires. For those old enough to remember when only the wealthy had cell phones, there was a time whne we could envision being out of touch for a while. Hell, that was the only way I got Sundays off, by hopping in the car to not be reachable by phone. Fast forward to today. I've seen people drop into a cold sweat when their phones show no bars. "What if someone needs to get hold of me? Jesus, can't you take a route that has towers along the whole route?" Even me, if I forget my phone now, the wife freaks out.
Now imagine that happy smiling woman (for some sexist reason they always use women in these commercials) who after a few days of seeing that her children are at home, suddenly starts becoming concerned if something might happen to the house when she isn't looking. What if a fire breaks out, or someone breaks into the house while the children are home? So just like cell phones which are now a permanent fixture of the generation that never looked up, we will have home security addicts, afraid to ever look away from their screen. Maybe even demanding another screen at work so they never have the home out of site.
Soon the only time they won't be anxiously monitoring their house will be when they are there. Soon, no more happy smiling parents, just anxious nervous wrecks who can't even check facebook any more, lest something happen while they aren't' looking.
And just wait until some smartass rebellious teenager comes home, is pissed off because mommy is monitoring, and decides to moon or flash the camera. Instant kiddie pr0n! broadcast right to the cubicle. Oh, boy, the boss is mad at the unsmiling miserable woman.
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I've seen some groundless speculation from dubious non-experts that modern connected parenting is detrimental to childrens' development, well into their teenage years. They are so well supervised and protected they can't properly develop their independance - just a generation or two ago it was fairly common practice for children to go out and play with other children, yet any parent who allowed that today would be seen as neglectful in exposing their child to danger. Because society has become hyper-sensiti
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Because society has become hyper-sensitive to any threats to children, they no longer get to do this - every non-trivial action they take is either supervised or outright organised by an adult. This results in teenagers who are still utterly helpless without their parents around.
Many or most make it into the workforce with remarkable degrees of helplessness.
Whereas a decade ago, Universities were teaching a lot of remedial math to unprepared students, today, there is a surprising new goal of remedial maturity. During orientation, the new students and their parents are separated, and the parents are getting much of the instruction, like don't try to get your child's professors fired just because they gave out assignments during "Pledge week", or any of the other reasons like the k
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So just like cell phones which are now a permanent fixture of the generation that never looked up...
I resent that statement. Not only do I actively avoid responding to phone calls and texts, but I only freak out about having no cell signal when I'm using my phone as a WiFi hotspot for my laptop or my desktop when the cable is out. /offtopic
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So just like cell phones which are now a permanent fixture of the generation that never looked up...
I resent that statement.
Wait - where did you resend it to?
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so it isn't a case of the technology being bad, its people that is the problem.
Absolutely. The technology is awesome, even if some of the implementations are a tad silly
It's the psychology.
There are many of us more then capable of going off the grid for a few days without turning into a neurotic mess. Mainly because we have delegation already set up, and have protocols set up so that shit still gets done without us.
For whatever levels of protocol you are allowed to set up. Anyhow, I basically agree.
for panopticon mom, why be so paranoid about your kids? don't you trust them and your automated security system. If you don't, badgering your kids passive aggressively is the least of your problems.
perhaps folks should be taught statistics and risk assesment, as well as coping strategems.
I wish they would. It becomes an addiction, like gambling. What happens if the next pull on the slot machine is the big winner? That lottery ticket left on the reel might be the biggie. "That second I turn away from the screen, Jerry Sandusky comes in and rapes my kids."
The initial promise of the system and the
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I don't think he's paranoid. Look at Google+, I was forced into signing up for technical correspondence some students demanded...they being somewhat clueless. Google would love it if I told them my occupation, my high school, etc. MS is just trying out-Google everyone else here. They will package the information and either use it themselves and/or sell it to the highest and not so highest bidder.
Many companies want to turn you into an annuity. Now it is becoming clear that many companies want to turn you in
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The "Internet of Things" offers very few tangible benefits. Normal people just don't care if they can control their toaster using their smartphone. Most people aren't going to waste money on automatic curtains that they can control from their fridge, either.
This attitude reminds me of how I felt when cell phones started incorporating cameras. I didn't want one, thought it was a stupid idea, and couldn't see how the idea would ever take off. Now I use mine all the time. It was a similar story with 'the cloud', except I saw the attraction and the utility - I just don't like giving up that much control over my data.
The point is that new technologies, (and new uses for/integrations of them), have a way of becoming wildly popular and successful, even when their use
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The Internet of Things offers many benefits - just not for most people. Pair it up with big data analytics and you've some potential for really useful things. Like a power grid that can dynamically manage demand on a second-by-second basis by modulating things like car chargers and air conditioning, or a city that can anticipate traffic congestion in real time and adjust signal timings to avert it.
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The "things" do offer benefits to people, just not giant big payoffs. A washing machine can alert you that the load needs to go in the dryer, or it can phone home for diagnostic and service information, potentially saving on repair bills. And certainly when the Smart Grid arrives, they will help people save money by managing usage. As many non-connected devices already have microcontrollers, adding a wifi chip and protocol stack may cost only a few extra dollars.
They don't have to be big benefits. As lon
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It seems like you really have no grasp on the concept of the Internet of Things. You're inventing ridiculous strawmen to slaughter to make your point. Nobody but you is talking about adding IP to showerheads.
The IoT is recognizing the idea that there are millions of IP enabled devices out there today, and the number is growing rapidly. The most visible examples include replacements like Nest or Honeywell thermostats, but other devices are entering homes, too, such as garage door openers, smoke alarms, li
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Microsoft's owners (the shareholders) realized the old Microsoft was a dead end. Everyone involved with putting Windows 8 out over the objections of the usability studies is gone now, up to and including Bill Gates. The asshole who used to be in charge of Xbone who was badmouthing customers? Gone. The message that MS can't dictate terms anymore was heard - not by management, but by shareholders.
So, yeah, it is a new Microsoft. Better? Almost certainly - even at random that's almost sure to be true. B
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Windows 8 was supposed to flop. It's a strategic release, not tactical. Microsoft management knew full well that everyone will hate it, but they still have the power to force it out, and use it to establish new technologies that are of great benefit to Microsoft in the long term. Things like the Windows store - they've seen how successful Apple was with that business model, and they want to copy it. Or Secure Boot, which offers up a screw which may one day be tightened to seriously harm linux on the desktop
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I understand the reasoning, but the reasoning was horribly flawed, as MS simply didn't have the power they though they did to force such a change. That kind of strategic mistake leads to termination for executives and general managers, and the fact that the Chairman, CEO, Division VP, and a couple levels below that are all gone or reassigned to somewhere harmless is a sign that maybe MS has a future after all.
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You could also have been refering to a scene near the end of Matrix 1, where Neo tests out his new godlike powers.
Trust (Score:1, Interesting)
Can M$ be trusted with this http://www.computerworld.com/s... [computerworld.com] . M$ and insurance companies partner to make insurance cheaper? The whole system is sounding way, way to invasive. The internet of things with cameras, microphones, security systems (motion and heat detectors, monitoring all access and egress points), computers, modem and mobile phone. Everything you ever say or do can be monitored, recorded, filtered (make nothing look bad whilst hiding the good) and used against you by anyone with access, both
Re:Trust (Score:4, Insightful)
"M$" makes you sound like some sort of drooling loon.
Re:Trust (Score:4, Insightful)
"M$" makes you sound like some sort of drooling loon.
Complaining about a common nickname for a despised organisation makes you seem like a paid social media management sockpuppet trying to change public perceptions.
Re:Trust (Score:5, Funny)
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Why is this modded insightful? Using "M$" and other such derogatory acronyms was fine when you were 12, but people come to Slashdot for (hopefully) enlightening discussion.
Personally, I always preferred Micros~1. Plus that took a quite reasonable dig at the awful FAT-32 filing system which was entirely justified.
Actually, I'm kidding. I used them all. Micros~1, Micro$oft, M$, Micro$shaft, and of course Losedos.
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So all of your don't ignore MS and d
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Ahh the psychic commenter claiming to know what is in my mind. I can assure when I refer to MSM, I use, MSN, check my comment history, I never stick the $ in MSN. Go look check it out for yourself as far back as you want to go, LIAR.
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o_O
I'm... not... sure you're replying to the right post there, sonny. I was the one backing up your fair use of the legitimate term M$. I know nothing of your use of MSN, with a $ or otherwise.
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And, if you have been paying any attention to the activities of that company, this will include you.
No. Wrong. If you pay attention to the activities of almost any large corporation, you'll find things to dislike. However, I love Microsoft compared to the alternatives. I don't prefer getting fucked up the ass by Apple and I don't want to associate with dumbass neck-beard faggots that promote Linux. Microsoft makes an operating system I like, gives me no trouble, and has steadily improved over the course of 20 years. Idiots, assholes, and trolls like you will disagree, but that's all the more reason
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I don't think the spell check and grammar check in M$ Word are "that" bad.
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Anyone wanting a serious discussion about MSFT automatically deducts credibility points from people using the outdated "M$", "Micro$oft" or "Microshaft" (amongst others)
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It does just seem to indicate an unwillingness to move on though, and potentially hurts any point trying to make as the first thought is that whoever's using it is clinging to (potentially) outdated grievances, and allegiances, rather than wanting open discourse.
But I think I was being a little OTT there, it was late and I responded quickly.
Uniform standards create new markets (Score:5, Insightful)
It's also somewhat paradoxical that without the "bad idea" of TCP-IP we wouldn't be having this conversation. I really don't understand the slashdot paranoia, nobody is forcing you to put these gimmicks in your home, and governments/corporations can already crush you like a grape today if they so desired. So even if your every movement was forcibly broadcast live around the planet, I can't see how you have anything to lose other than your dignity.
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I do care about my dignity, you insensitive clod.
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I can't see how you have anything to lose other than your dignity.
That it no small thing to lose. In fact it's probably the worst of the lot to lose.
Nerds, please make the IoT work... (Score:2, Insightful)
...so we can steal it from you in the future and sell the resulting data to governments. You have our permission to be geniuses for exactly as long as it takes to innovate this IoT stuff. Have you heard about our Partner Program? You'll love it! Don't worry, we won't suddenly start competing with you instead of partnering with you while you're busy working your job. Let's get some standards drafted! Love, MS
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Yep, big linnup of corporate freeloaders trying to get in early in the exploitation of others.
We need to abandon freedom 0 (The freedom to run the program, for any purpose),
The Free software movement should not demand that software be allowed to be used to make society less free. We cant just concern ourselves with software, we are not an island,
We need a non-commercial licence
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linux distros are still just poor clones of Windows and OSX
That is just silly. Linux pre-dates OSX by about 10 years, and is a clone of Unix, which predates Windows by about 10 years. Linux therefore cannot be described as a clone of either Windows or OSX by any stretch of the imagination.
Sure, there are similarities in style between them all, but that is how fashions go. Windows, OSX and Linux do undoubtedly learn from eachother (I can think of ideas that Windows seems to have taken from Linux, and also Linux ideas that seem to be taken from Wind
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Umm... UNIX was around long before Winblows and OSX. As a mater of fact OSX was based on Linux.
OSX is not based on Linux, but is a version of BSD which is a Unix. They are more like siblings, with a lot in common.
But your case stands corrected. Neither owe anything to DOS or Windows, thank goodness. I was using Unix before Windows was invented, and was apalled at how bad Windows was by comparison when I first came across it. Windows only became usable (IMHO) with Windows NT, after Microsoft had received a company blood transfusion in the form of Dave Cutler and his team from DEC.
what is internet of things (Score:2)
as opposed to internet of ideas? Or internet of energy?
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It's using the internet to control the devices around you. lights, thermostats, that sort of thing. The idea and term is over 20 years old.
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An IP address on lots of things not typically on the network today. Although practically it's a lot like "The Cloud" in that it's more of a high concept marketing idea than what it really is. Networked smart meters could be considered internet of things, and those silly Nest things, or refrigerators that send you tweets when the yogurt goes bad. It may be normal high bandwidth stuff (refrigerator talks wifi) or very low bandwidth but long distance like smart meters or sensors. Overall though it just get
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It's a wonderful place where I can operate all kinds of devices with my smartphone from wherever I happen to be. All kinds things like toasters, security systems, cars, nuclear power plants... oh wait.
Steve
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I realize you're trying to make a joke in that all things are "things", but there's value in having a phrase that narrows the topic a bit. It's basically a catch-all term, like referring to the Internet's plumbing as "the cloud." The "things" in the Internet of Things are devices that aren't primarily information devices by design. A refrigerator may have a microcontroller to maintain temperature, but it wouldn't be called a computer. Adding internet connectivity to it still doesn't make it an informatio
Fantastic! Open sourcing will make pwning easier! (Score:5, Insightful)
Right now, most household appliances (refrigerators, stoves, thermostats, home automation, home security, etc.) are devices that are closed off. So, even though my stove may have a security hole, I might not be able to exploit it without using a JTAG. Ultimately, there's no easy way to exploit them unless you have physical access to the internals of the appliance. But the IoT changes that--and not for the better. To add, many of the devices you'd want to connect to the IoT have lifespans of decades. So, unless we get government action saying that "if you want to make an IoT device, you have to provide security support for 20+ years", we'll end up with pwned thermostats that we can't change, the fridge that now sends spam & doesn't have enough available processing power to turn on the compressor, or that my TV now shows popup ads for hookers, offshore pharmacies selling Viagra, and other ads in front of the kids & I can't shut it off. And all the better when the pwned IoT fridge wants to talk to my non-pwned IoT Smart TV. On top of that, it won't help that the Linux kernel (or Apache, PHP, MySQL, drivers, etc.) it's running on is 20 years old & nobody--except malware authors--has looked at that version for over a decade...
What an obvious clusterfuck waiting to happen... I'm just waiting for a group of early Smart TVs to get bricked because some malware does something to them--and the manufacturer says "not our problem--it's old!" Then people might realize what a Pandora's Box this is...
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> What an obvious clusterfuck waiting to happen... I'm just waiting for a group of early Smart TVs to get bricked because some malware does something to them--and the manufacturer says "not our problem--it's old!"
What does manufacturer abandonment have to do with open-sourcing the software inside the devices? (Nothing, I suspect.)
Closed source doesn't do much to slow down 'sploit writers. Moreover, opening the source code gives nerds a fighting chance to update abandoned devices. Don't believe me? Look a
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Closed source doesn't do much to slow down 'sploit writers. Moreover, opening the source code gives nerds a fighting chance to update abandoned devices. Don't believe me? Look at Cyanogenmod.
Really? There's enough encryption, licensing, hardware, etc., that prevents most users from rooting their Android & iOS devices. I have an Android phone and I am a nerd. But I'm still afraid to put Cyanogenmod (or another distro) on my phone for fear that it'd be an expensive one-way trip. Manufacturers have come a long way since the simple hardware that Rockbox [rockbox.org] could be used on... (Notice how Rockbox hasn't added any devices lately--and that the project is receiving less submissions...)
And just b
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Only if your device is "popular" enough. Given there are dozens of new Android phones being released daily (Samsung alone just released 4 "budget phones" yesterday), I don't see how Cyanogen can support them. In fact, I'm pretty much going to say Cyanogen only supports phones the nerds want - the high end high spec phones.
Meanwhile, if you're one of the people owning the 90% of
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and the manufacturer says "not our problem--it's old!" Then people might realize what a Pandora's Box this is...
This is exactly what Microsoft is saying about Windows XP. For IOT devices lasting dozens of years, it is better to stay as far away from Microsoft as possible.
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Lol wut?
Right now, most household appliances (refrigerators, stoves, thermostats, home automation, home security, etc.) are devices that are closed off. So, even though my stove may have a security hole, I might not be able to exploit it without using a JTAG.
Making something accessible on the internet is not the same as open sourcing the code. Open sourcing seems to not cause problems with security. Sticking things on the internet, closed or open has problems with security.
You can happily have OSS stuff ac
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Not every device manufacturer is incompetent. Panasonic use NetBSD in their smart TVs and appear to have take steps to secure it. I'm sure there will be mistakes, just like there were with computers and mobile phones (remember the SMS of death?) and every other type of technology in the world.
If you don't want to be an early adopter that's fine. The concept is useful to a lot of people though. Existing consumer law, at least in the UK, already covers software defects. A typical home appliance is expected to
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Two things.
One - shit obviously happens in closed source world, Windows has a looong security history for instance. Security by obscurity is not something that will work.
Two - if you are so much afraid of IoT, just don't plug your toaster to your WiFi. If someone does that, they open themselves to sliced bread attacks on their own peril. You are not forced to do so.
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I like your comment because it jostled a thought:
What if the manufacturers start selling connected devices and insist that we hook them up or we have no warranty, or any support, or we just can't use it?
Wow.
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Yep, and the backbone these things have to hit in order to get out of the house ain't been patched yet.
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Danger, danger, Will Robinson!!!!!! (Score:1)
...Its Xbox gaming platform is seen as a potential hub or control center for home devices....
At some point, the XBox will have "special" protocols and interfaces so that Microsoft will be able to push its own incompatible version of any infrastructure. History has shown that to be the manner in which Microsoft operates.
Microsoft does not know how to work in a marketspace where the playing field is level, so Microsoft will always strive to tilt the playing field in its favor.
Linux and Open Source as buzzwords (Score:2)
Is there anybody here that misreads Microsoft's motives?
MS wants their foot in your Windows, your door and your fire escape.
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Perhaps because of the number of times it turned out to be a trap. Embrace/Extend/Extinguish. It's going to take a long time before seeing MS "embrace" a standard doesn't automatically trigger an "oh crap, not again" reaction in us old timers.
Old timers with alzheimer's maybe. I can't remember a time they released open source stuff and it turned out to be a trap. The essence of the "EEE" concept is adding additional proprietary functionality that developers ultimately use because they need it and because they aren't worried about compatibility of other platforms because the only platform that matters is Microsoft's. But how does that apply here? Actually how does that apply anywhere these days? The days of Microsoft having a monopoly even in per
Is it any surprise (Score:2)
that a company whose proprietary phone OS's and tablet OS's are having a hard time gaining traction in the market place are now pushing for nonproprietary OS's to control small devices?
History! (Score:5, Interesting)
1. Embrace <-- you are here
2. Extend
3. Extinguish
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So when we get to step 2, do I get an extra bedroom and a garage/workshop?
Seems to be a lot of downvoting going on (Score:1)
Embrace, Extend and Extinguish [http] was a real thing, and this sort of behaviour might make people suspect that the lepoard has not changed his shorts.
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I would suspect because things like "EEE" were from nearly 2 decades ago in a time when the company was run by Bill Gates, who has since been succeeded by Steve Ballmer who has since been succeeded by Satya Nadella. It's the same as when Google introduces a new product and we get those same posts polluting the story "reminding" us of how many products they have killed off or their StreetView wifi case. The same as how in just about every Apple story we get "reminded" of issues like the iPhone 4's antenna or
Not to be confused with... (Score:2)
Patents? (Score:3)
What's happening with any patents that Microsoft raises on this tech? Will they be truly open patents free to implement in open source products that are freely redistributable? The article makes no mention of this.
how many bleepin' minutes do you have to wait between posting these days?
Appointee (Score:2)
Say it with me now... (Score:1)
If it can accelarate IPv6 adaption... (Score:2)
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It's a trick.
Get an axe.
Re: IT'S A TRAP! (Score:1)
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It's a trick.
Get an axe.
Ready!
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/06/gamestop-has-your-guitar-hero-axe/ [kotaku.com.au]
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It's a trap, not a troll (Score:5, Insightful)
Regardless of whether bADlOGIN was trolling, he is actually completely right.
Consider this article [computerworld.com], referenced by the source. It says insurers might like to provide home automation and other "internet of things" devices for free. It mentions the "Teen Safe Driver Program" as an example of how this "free as in beer" program could work. So how does that program work? A black box in your car records events, sends it to the insurance company, and AFTER the insurance company reviews it, the parents might be given a copy of the data. That's right, the insurance company injects itself between parent and child, taking over the parent's job. Naturally, they have their own motivations which are separate from the proper parenting of children. This is espionage.
Now MS and insurance companies want to do the same for your home? That is prison.
Microsoft has been interested in home computing for decades with little to show for it beyond the X-Box. The main problem is that there is little in a home that needs to be computerized/automated/networked that hasn't already been from the beginning. A washing machine was a great automation, but there is no real need to automate it further. Have your lights turn on automatically when you come home? Nifty trick, but no one cares really. The only killer-app for home automation is spying on the residents and that is not desirable by the residents. Do they expect us to let insurance companies and other wealthy interests spy on us 24-7 in exchange for "free as in beer" worthless gadgets? To sweeten the bait they may attempt to find gadgets that are more useful. But those are just a trap.
Also, keep in mind the security of the devices. When the makers' intention is to spy on the users, there is little motivation to keep the device secure from even more spying. OpenSSL showed how a monoculture is insecure even if it is open source. Open standards with independent implementations provide security through diversity.
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Actually, it IS a trap. How long until they back away from their support of open source and back away, migrating to their own proprietary BS, taking full advantage of the progress made by others?
What would be the point of that? It won't work with all the other devices in the "internet of things".
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Nice try with the link.