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UK Ham Radio Reg Plans To Drop 15 min Callsign Interval and Allow Encryption 104

First time accepted submitter product_bucket writes A consultation published by the UK Radio Regulator Ofcom seeks views on its plan to remove the mandatory 15 minute callsign identifier interval for amateur radio licensees. The regulator also intends to permit the use of encryption by a single volunteer emergency communications organization. The consultation is open until 20th October, and views are sought by interested parties.
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UK Ham Radio Reg Plans To Drop 15 min Callsign Interval and Allow Encryption

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  • All that ham nerd stuff was probably meaningful once, but is there a single good reason why people can't broadcast whatever they want? I mean, sure, stick within allocated frequencies, don't bleed over other ones etc, but check out the rules - they're hilarious. Are we still worried about political subversion and Russian spies?

    • by Ozoner ( 1406169 ) on Friday September 12, 2014 @03:52AM (#47887657)

      You can now. Just stick to the allocated ISM bands (eg WiFi).

      What you can't do now is build your own transmitter without a ham license. This obviously is to prevent interference to other services.

      The philosophy is simple. License the Radio or License the Operator. The Amateur Operator has passed sufficient technical barrier to ensure that they won't do stupid things and cause interference.

      There is one catch however. The Amateur License excluded commercial operations. To do that you need a commercial license.

      The amateur license is primarily for self education.

      • by chuckinator ( 2409512 ) on Friday September 12, 2014 @07:49AM (#47888581)

        The amateur license is primarily for self education.

        As a US general class amateur radio licensee, I will gladly confirm that you called out one of the primary objectives of the international amateur radio service with the other being emergency communications. I got mine out of pure curiosity and it never ceases to provide something new on a regular basis to scratch my head over.

    • by Viol8 ( 599362 ) on Friday September 12, 2014 @04:21AM (#47887725) Homepage

      ... they just called it CB.

      In theory a great idea, in practice you got a load if halfwit teenagers and other dimwits who had nothing to say keying up over people trying to have a sensible conversation and generally causing a nuisance. What with them and the people who seemed to think playing music from a crappy cassette tape into the mic suddenly turned their bedroom rig into Kiss FM eventually made CB unusable and it died (in the UK anyway) apart from the occasional diehard and some truckers.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        CB failed in the UK due to the very low power constraints. Most people couldn't talk to others a couple of miles away, even with 5m antenna. In car units struggled to make a mile on a good day when KD40s ruled the roost.

        • by Viol8 ( 599362 )

          Oh rubbish. With a decent setup 4W goes a long way. Anyway, most people ran linears even back in the day though most also didn't have a clue what SWR was and wondered why they kept burning out. Muppets.

      • In practice, the regulars are such pretentious dicks everyone else leaves and all the channels are now ghost towns.

  • Some HAMs in the US tried to get the FCC to allow encryption on HAM radio about a year or so ago under the guise of HIPAA... that did not go very far. Although, it would be nice to ID every 15 minutes instead of the current 10 in the US.
    • Presumably the reason to allow this is not to permit hams more freedom, but rather to persuade hams to purchase encryption units so that when the authorities ask them to provide communications they can do so in an encrypted way. Or, for the lobbyists, to make the ham radio service appear to have more utility in handling emergencies.

      I can't think of any reason why encrypting ham communications would do anything to improve the hobby, but I can see why authorities might like to have access to another somewhat

    • Well, it didn't help that the guy who filed that petition didn't bother to read the HIPAA laws, nor understand that HIPAA laws do not apply to ham radio operators. He was seeking a solution to a made-up problem.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 12, 2014 @05:59AM (#47887949)

    These are the least interesting aspects of the consultation.

    1) The "how often you have to identify" thing is nearly irrelevant - it's just turned now from set occasions to the vague, and therefore hard to enforce, must-always-be-identifiable. But a few people on long ragchews didn't quite stick to the rules, while almost everyone else does. Those who continue abusing the bands will carry on not identifying anyway. As for digital/data encoding, that could always announce its callsign automatically at whatever interval - it's not like you have to do it in Morse/voice anymore, unless you want to;

    2) RAYNET are nowhere near as comprehensive as US amateur radio emergency support. I don't even understand why they've been given the privilege of encryption, but I guess there's something at work here I dont know - anybody?

    Now, the other shit, some of which is far more interesting:

    a) The "release" (this is newspeak for "private give-away") of bands 2350-2390 Mhz and 3410-3475 MHz. This is a substantial loss of amateur allocation to the wireless leeches. This isn't being consulted on, but it's a harsh reminder of the position of the ham, and a reason for the concession in b);

    b) The allocation without NoV of spectrum in the 470 kHz and 5 MHz bands. I remember a decade or so ago when 470 kHz ham radio work was pioneering, and it's nice to see it go mainstream;

    c) They're updating wording on fees but STILL not charging for the licence. In Soviet Britain, this is a bad thing, because a government department which gets rich from some set of stakeholders is one which listens to those stakeholders;

    d) They're making it slightly harder to transmit if you've been convicted under the WT Act. Since ham radio is the last bastion of long distance electronic free speech, any moves to make it harder to transmit are worth keeping an eye on. These amendments consider fairly specific circumstances, fortunately;

    e) A few babbles about call sign usage and re-use, which please those who like picking apart (genuine, if mostly just bureaucratic) problems with license wording;

    f) Some minor if decent clarifications supporting reciprocal usage and transmitting from multiple locations (direction-finding exercise, etc.). This shows that the licensing body is paying attention to detail about how licenses are actually used by hobbyists, which is pleasing.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      These are the least interesting aspects of the consultation.

      1) The "how often you have to identify" thing is nearly irrelevant - it's just turned now from set occasions to the vague, and therefore hard to enforce, must-always-be-identifiable. But a few people on long ragchews didn't quite stick to the rules, while almost everyone else does. Those who continue abusing the bands will carry on not identifying anyway. As for digital/data encoding, that could always announce its callsign automatically at whatever interval - it's not like you have to do it in Morse/voice anymore, unless you want to;

      2) RAYNET are nowhere near as comprehensive as US amateur radio emergency support. I don't even understand why they've been given the privilege of encryption, but I guess there's something at work here I dont know - anybody?

      Now, the other shit, some of which is far more interesting:

      a) The "release" (this is newspeak for "private give-away") of bands 2350-2390 Mhz and 3410-3475 MHz. This is a substantial loss of amateur allocation to the wireless leeches. This isn't being consulted on, but it's a harsh reminder of the position of the ham, and a reason for the concession in b);

      b) The allocation without NoV of spectrum in the 470 kHz and 5 MHz bands. I remember a decade or so ago when 470 kHz ham radio work was pioneering, and it's nice to see it go mainstream;

      c) They're updating wording on fees but STILL not charging for the licence. In Soviet Britain, this is a bad thing, because a government department which gets rich from some set of stakeholders is one which listens to those stakeholders;

      d) They're making it slightly harder to transmit if you've been convicted under the WT Act. Since ham radio is the last bastion of long distance electronic free speech, any moves to make it harder to transmit are worth keeping an eye on. These amendments consider fairly specific circumstances, fortunately;

      e) A few babbles about call sign usage and re-use, which please those who like picking apart (genuine, if mostly just bureaucratic) problems with license wording;

      f) Some minor if decent clarifications supporting reciprocal usage and transmitting from multiple locations (direction-finding exercise, etc.). This shows that the licensing body is paying attention to detail about how licenses are actually used by hobbyists, which is pleasing.

      This is a consultation exercise - make sure you get your views heard by Ofcom and raise awareness with your fellow enthusiasts. If you don't like something (RAYNET and / or band give-away) then write in and get everyone else to do that as well. Draft a set of objections and send it to others for them to write in as well.

  • and its called Dstar, only way to "legally" decrypt it is to buy decryption module from DVSI or whole radio from Icom.

    Dstar is a proprietary, patented and closed protocol using another patented and closed vocoder (ambe).

    • by Zondar ( 32904 )

      And PACTOR 3 / PACTOR 4.

    • by cdwiegand ( 2267 )

      No, it's NOT ENCRYPTION. It's ENCODING. I can go out, buy a DSTAR radio, and copy your conversations, without needing any encryption key from you. Encryption would be where I need a pin or other code to decode your message successfully, where not having that information from you would prevent me from monitoring your transmissions. DSTAR, DMR/MOTOTRBO, Codec2, etc., are all encodings, just like PSK31. I can't verbally copy PSK31, but I can buy a device (laptop) to decode your messages without further input f

      • by dbc ( 135354 )

        Pedantically correct, you are. But... why is a proprietary CODEC allowed in the ham bands? I can't go out and build a D-STAR compatible radio because of that. Proprietary CODECs should not get FCC type acceptance for amateur radio, as it conflicts the the "basis and purpose" wording of the enabling legislation. *grump*

        Encryption, OTOH, is kind of a big deal now for emergency communications. In the USA, hospitals have traditionally been both big supporters of and big clients of amateur radio emergency com

      • No, it's NOT ENCRYPTION. It's ENCODING. I can go out, buy a DSTAR radio

        oh, so you need to go and "buy decryption module from DVSI or whole radio from Icom"? its almost like I said the same thing...

  • Allowing encryption on the ham bands sounds like a great idea, especially to slashdotters, because we all really love the idea of our government not being able to listen to everything we say. Unfortunately, there are a lot of governments who really don't like that idea. The only reason Ham operators in your favorite semi-free country of choice can talk to people in much less free parts of the world is because of the ban on encryption. If the UK allows encrypted signals over ham, and a UK ham operator can ge
    • by ai4px ( 1244212 )
      You really lost me there..... Voice of America hasn't stopped heavy handed governments from rounding up AM radios has it? Well, maybe in N Korea. But they've already restricted ALL radios anyway, so encryption making a difference is moot.
  • I have an APRS transceiver sending telemetry from my cottage; mostly so I know whether I need to get in the car and drive out there to address either water in the basement or pipes about to freeze... Soon I'll be able to send commands and receive responses (like raise the temperature because I'm en-route, or turn on the irrigation system, or whatever)... I don't want any old shmuck to mess with my stuff so I thought about encrypting the text in my APRS message with a pre-shared key and calling it a day... D

    • by Ozoner ( 1406169 )

      It depends on the country, but in general it's OK to encrypt control codes, but not OK to encrypt data. Although shared keys probably fix the problem.

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