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Military Laser/Radio Tech Proposed As Alternative To Laying Costly Fiber Cable 150

An anonymous reader writes "Californian comm-tech company Aoptix is testing new laser+radio hybrid communications technology with three major U.S. internet carriers. The equipment required can be bolted onto existing infrastructure, such as cell-tower masts, and can communicate a 2gbps stream over 6.5 miles. The system was developed over 10 years at a cost of $100 million in conjunction with the Air Force Research Laboratory, and the military implementation of it is called Aoptix Enhanced Air Ground Lasercom System (EAGLS). The laser component of the technology uses a deformable mirror to correct for atmospheric distortion over the mast-hop, in real-time. The laser part of the system is backed-up by a redundant radio transmitter. The radio component has low attenuation in rainy conditions with large refracting raindrops, while the laser is more vulnerable to dense fog. The system, which features auto-stabilization to compensate for cell-tower movement and is being proposed as an alternative to the tremendous cost p/m of laying fiber cable, is being tested in Mexico and Nigeria in addition to the three ISP trials.
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Military Laser/Radio Tech Proposed As Alternative To Laying Costly Fiber Cable

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  • And certainly easier to tap. I hear that fiber optic is a bitch..

    • When in doubt, encrypt the link layer.

      • by mlts ( 1038732 ) on Monday November 17, 2014 @02:15PM (#48404523)

        L1 encryption could be quite brain-dead simple. One could use preshared keys and call it done (with an algorithm to use session keys derived from D-H sessions encrypted by the "master" PSK, and change every so often.)

        I've wondered why communications lasers are not more often used, especially IR ones.

        • by Delwin ( 599872 )
          IR scatters in the atmosphere fairly quickly. You don't have as much range with an IR laser as you would with an optical one or even just a microwave beam.

          That said this system uses multiple types (radio and laser) because when one doesn't work well the other will work fine and visa-versa.
    • by amorsen ( 7485 )

      Fiber optic is trivial to tap. Almost as easy as analog phone lines.

      • by DoofusOfDeath ( 636671 ) on Monday November 17, 2014 @01:21PM (#48403905)

        Fiber optic is trivial to tap. Almost as easy as analog phone lines.

        Anything is easy to tap, at least in the U.S.

        Step 1. Mislead a FISA court about the need. After all, those being tapped will never find out, let alone have a chance to contest the evidence. It's a secret.

        Step 2. Find some ISP in the communications path, and hit them with a National Security Letter. Because, you know, fuck the Fourth Amendment. Threaten them with going to jail for even bringing up the issue in court. Again, because, well, fuck being the land of the free, since it's no longer the home of the brave.

        Step 3. Do whatever you want. If it violates the law, you can count on some combination of sovereign immunity, prosecutorial descretion, and Presidential pardons to make sure you never face justice while on this earth.

        • by amorsen ( 7485 )

          Still, when the NSA wanted access to Google's information, they went for tapping fiber optic cables instead of hitting them with National Security Letters.

          The solution is encryption of course, but IPSEC is a royal pain and MACSEC is too limited.

          • Still, when the NSA wanted access to Google's information, they went for tapping fiber optic cables instead of hitting them with National Security Letters.

            Not sure we can know it was an either/or situation.

    • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

      And what's wrong with commercial microwave links out in the boondocks?

    • by itzly ( 3699663 )
      Point to point links are trivial to secure with good encryption. Professionals tap at the router anyway, so it doesn't matter what technology is used.
    • by LWATCDR ( 28044 )

      My educated guess is that you do not tap the fiber but instead would get the data out of the amplifiers on the cable.

    • by Delwin ( 599872 )
      Not really. Sure you need to splice it and put a relay in but that's all known technology and well within reach of any entity that really wants to do it. On the other hand an over-the-air signal will be encrypted fairly heavily and thus will actually be harder to tap.
  • by duckintheface ( 710137 ) on Monday November 17, 2014 @12:28PM (#48403249)

    The OP says that "The radio component has * low attenuation* in rainy conditions with large refracting raindrops". I think they mean "high attentuation". TFA says that radio is disrupted by rain.

    • Glad I wasn't the only one annoyed by that sentence in the summary. The use of the term "while" indicated that the radio was better at one thing and the laser better at the other but according to the summary that's not the case.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      "Lower attenuation than through sheet metal? Is that really a selling point?"
      "Well, we can claim it is low attenuation with an asterisk, nobody reads the asterisks."

    • TBH, I did radio/wireless internet for 4-5 years, back in the early 00's. It was pretty rock-solid, with perhaps one instance of trouble due to weather (during a full-on blizzard... the link dropped packets on occasion, but that was about it. My house antenna was 34 miles away from the ISP's antenna, which was just barely within the 35 mile range.

      Only real issue I had was with the lag, which made it rough for FPS gaming, though doable.

      • Only real issue I had was with the lag, which made it rough for FPS gaming, though doable.

        It was only doable because everyone else had low latency links. If you were in a game where everyone had high latency links like yours, the game would be completely unplayable. As it was, the people who had low latency links probably hated playing with you, and I don't blame them at all.

        • It's relative: I averaged something like 60ms pings, while everyone else had 20-30ms pings (DSL was still fairly new back then). Not like I was roughing it at 250+ like in the old modem days.

          • It's relative: I averaged something like 60ms pings, while everyone else had 20-30ms pings (DSL was still fairly new back then). Not like I was roughing it at 250+ like in the old modem days.

            60ms isn't bad. I was expecting somewhere in the 300-500ms range. That is the kind of latency I've seen with other wireless internet links from back in the day.

      • by drolli ( 522659 )

        Why should a radio link have higher latency than a fiber?

        • Implemented well it should have a slightly lower latency because the propagation of signals in air is faster than in fiber optics. But the delay from customer to the ISP is probably only a small part of the latency anyway.

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      I think they mean "high attentuation". TFA says that radio is disrupted by rain.

      But then they deploy sharks with laser-beams on their heads to swim the signals closer. It's all nicely planned out.

    • by fhage ( 596871 )
      I wonder how well a laser is going to punch through a rain shaft if the microwave signal can't make it. This seems like great tech for temporary links, where someone can tend the optics, but seems dubious for permanent installations. It sure is nice to have a working network during the big ice or snow storm.

      I once had to show I could pass messages by semaphore. (also very limited bandwidth in freezing rain) Gotta love tech where giant robots waving their arms are used to increase link distance and ba

  • I don't understand why this is the trend even with the military to avoid laying fibre infrastructure. Looking at that site citing the costs of previous installs and listing the lifetime of the fibre as "20 Years" fibre is a 100 year infrastructure and even if your military base moves or you get a new technology that fibre in the ground will still be there and still be valuable.

    • by neochubbz ( 937091 ) on Monday November 17, 2014 @12:32PM (#48403295) Homepage
      The real beast isn't the labor and cost of laying the line, its the legal nightmare of researching and purchasing the right-of-way. First, you have to run title to determine who owns the right of way, then you negotiate with each property owner, and any one of these property owners can object, causing you to reroute your line.
      • by cogeek ( 2425448 )
        Most property already has utility easements unless they're very rural, even then it's simple enough to seize with Imminent Domain for "the greater good"
        • by TechyImmigrant ( 175943 ) on Monday November 17, 2014 @12:49PM (#48403503) Homepage Journal

          Most property already has utility easements unless they're very rural, even then it's simple enough to seize with Imminent Domain for "the greater good"

          Is the domain about the happen any time now?

          • Is the domain about the happen any time now?

            Check your own grammar before pointing out somebody else's mistake. ;-)

            • Is the domain about the happen any time now?

              Check your own grammar before pointing out somebody else's mistake. ;-)

              I left that as a little gift to the next grammar Nazi.

        • by krlynch ( 158571 )

          Eminent != Imminent

        • simple enough to seize with Imminent Domain

          No, it is anything but simple enough. It is often a legal tie up, and can be very expensive. Even if right of way easements exist, they often not efficient or desirable routes, or even continuous over a long distance.

          There is a real need for hi speed technologies like this in rural areas. LOS has its issues, but if there is a reliable, cost effective solution, then there is certainly a market.

        • by mysidia ( 191772 )
          Except you need to be a licensed telco with permits to access those utility easements.
      • "Can I build around 50 miles of Tehachapi mountains?"
      • by Kjella ( 173770 )

        Wow it's strange how different the world can be. Here in Norway rural fiber is often a four-way cooperation, the fiber company will lay fiber in a main trench along the public road. The government will typically provide public funding to reach public buildings, schools and so on, businesses will pay to get connected. As for residential homes, if you dig your own foot-deep trench or hire someone to do it at your own cost the fiber company will come put a fiber line in it. And most people jump at the chance o

    • by BenFranske ( 646563 ) on Monday November 17, 2014 @12:36PM (#48403337) Homepage

      If it was for base connectivity I would be very surprised if fiber wasn't laid. I am more likely to believe the military use for this was designed for something which can be setup quickly in forward operating locations. Fiber takes time and substantially more infrastructure to install. Theoretically this could be run off a steerable pop-up mast which could be setup in minutes.

    • I saw nothing in those links that indicates the military prefers this sort of communication to normal fiber for their US landlocked bases. I'd guess the military probably values that technology for places in which laying down permanent fiber isn't an option. For instance, when a war breaks out, there's a need to set up all sorts of bases and command headquarters in completely unpredictable or currently inaccessible places. Moreover, a laser beam can't as easily be disrupted by enemy ground forces or by b

      • Multiple technologies are used by mobile comm units in the military. Setting up the Satellite downlink on one side of the cantonment area and using a laser link to transmit to the ops area sure beats laying fragile cable.

        Or satellite downlink at a single area and using this to distribute to multiple fire bases. Definitely a win.

    • Because when your out in the middle of the desert you want to connect your fob to base camp 30 miles away digging and burying lines is time consuming. It is far easier and faster to setup a laser link back to base. We do not live in a world of FTL communications. Therefore calling sat phone ten feet away from sounds just as bad as calling a sat phone half way around the world.

  • The Old is New again (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DumbSwede ( 521261 ) <slashdotbin@hotmail.com> on Monday November 17, 2014 @12:34PM (#48403307) Homepage Journal

    45+ years ago when I was a kid and before cellphone towers dotted the landscape there were these funnel shaped microwave repeating towers everywhere that carried long distance phone traffic across the country without wires.

    • Obviously people have already forgotten MCI (Microwave Communications inc.)
      • by jfengel ( 409917 )

        Huh. I never knew that.

        Well, now that's a brain cell that I'm never getting back. Now if I can just remember to call the MCI Center the "Verizon Center".

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    • by Charliemopps ( 1157495 ) on Monday November 17, 2014 @01:05PM (#48403739)

      45+ years ago when I was a kid and before cellphone towers dotted the landscape there were these funnel shaped microwave repeating towers everywhere that carried long distance phone traffic across the country without wires.

      I've worked for just about every phone company... We still have them... everywhere. Fibers replaced microwave in most residential areas... but in areas where you can't dig a trench, we use microwave. Communities on islands, on mountain sides... etc... there are a LOT of microwave dishes along the grand canyon for example. Even in sky rises, a lot of companies will setup microwave dishes in an extra conference room and beam a trunk to another building across the way.

      The problem with microwave is that it doesn't work well in humidity. Fog, snow and rain make it cut in and out. Basically, imagine your DishNetwork/DirectTv signal... it's got pretty much the same problem.

      • And that is exactly what this system is supposed to improve upon. By using two complementary technologies, they claim they can reliably transmit high quality data no matter what the weather. What isn't clear from TFA is how much of an improvement in speed or cost this is from plain ol microwaves. The unit shown in nice and compact - smaller than the large dishes used in high capacity microwave links - but TFA doesn't directly compare data speeds (or costs or really anything useful) so it's hard to make m

    • And modems ran at 300 baud. Hard wired telephones carried the Internet because cell phones were too slow. Technology improved. Cables are still used to handle overseas data because sending it 3000 miles underwater is faster than 44,000 miles out and back from space. You use the technology that works.
    • by Shatrat ( 855151 )

      You'd be surprised at how many of these we are still using, especially in the far north or the desert areas where it is both flat and sparsely populated.
      Most of those old legacy microwaves only go up to a DS3 though, which is 28 T1s or about 45 mpbs of encapsulated Ethernet traffic.
      Now there is a new generation of microwave gear going in for Wireless ISPs and cellular backhaul. A lot of it already goes up to a gigabit I believe. I'm a fiber guy though so I don't know too much about them.

  • by Khashishi ( 775369 ) on Monday November 17, 2014 @12:42PM (#48403417) Journal

    But it sounds inferior in many respects. Lasers require line of sight, which is obviously a problem. We really ought to be investing in quality infrastructure.

    • But it sounds inferior in many respects. Lasers require line of sight, which is obviously a problem. We really ought to be investing in quality infrastructure.

      Are you going to pay for it? Laying fiber is insanely expensive. Not because of the trench or even the fiber... it's the home owners that are the problem.

      Imagine I show up at your house and tell you I'm going to dig an 8' deep trench across your yard for Fiber. What are you going to do? And your neighbor? And his neighbor? ... and the other thousand people whos yards get trenched? Lawsuits... and that doesn't even cover all the roads, driveways and sidewalks you have to dig up.

      • by dj245 ( 732906 )

        But it sounds inferior in many respects. Lasers require line of sight, which is obviously a problem. We really ought to be investing in quality infrastructure.

        Are you going to pay for it? Laying fiber is insanely expensive. Not because of the trench or even the fiber... it's the home owners that are the problem.

        Imagine I show up at your house and tell you I'm going to dig an 8' deep trench across your yard for Fiber. What are you going to do? And your neighbor? And his neighbor? ... and the other thousand people whos yards get trenched? Lawsuits... and that doesn't even cover all the roads, driveways and sidewalks you have to dig up.

        Why are you digging a 8 feet deep trench for fiber?!? Laws in different states seem to vary, but between 2-4 feet is plenty. If you use a ditch witch style machine, the trench is only a couple of inches across on the surface. If you wanted to do it really well, you could cut a strip of sod out, but it to the side, and put it back when you were done.

        • by danlip ( 737336 )

          Well, an 8 foot trench means that the next person to come along and dig a 4 foot trench won't cut your fiber.

          • by Bengie ( 1121981 )
            The fiber at my house is just as deep and is right next to my underground power line, just like nearly everyone else in the city. I dare someone to cut the fiber, they'll be just as likely to hit the power.
            • by danlip ( 737336 )

              That happens too. The construction workers next to my office building cut both the gas and the power (not on the same day, luckily).

        • by afidel ( 530433 )

          Check out this [decks.com] map for an idea of minimum safe frost depths across the country, plenty of populated places are well below 4', and even those that are close to 4' probably have competing uses for that space just below the frost line. Then again with a horizontal bore cable layer it doesn't really matter whether it's 2' or 8' deep, the impact at the surface is all in the weight of the machine and the footprint of its treads.

      • by itzly ( 3699663 )
        Where I live, they just dig up the city streets and sidewalks, rather than the home owners' properties.
        • by Bengie ( 1121981 )
          Cheaper to cut through people's lawns. The city allows this, but only to a select few ISPs to reduce damage to lawns. Any other ISP that wants to break into the market has to figure things out for themselves.
      • by jabuzz ( 182671 )

        Personally I would offer to dig the trench for them, and/or offer them whatever bribes necessary to get it done faster, keep the workers happy etc. Of course that is because I would love a fibre connection to my house even though I have a 40/20Mbps FTTC install.

        I would also note that in the U.K. an 8 foot or 2.4m deep trench would be below the level of 99% of foundations and be completely unnecessary. The cable TV networks (now almost all owned by Virgin Media) only were only a couple feet deep when install

      • by bmk67 ( 971394 )

        Imagine I show up at your house and tell you I'm going to dig an 8' deep trench across your yard for Fiber. What are you going to do? And your neighbor?

        What I'm going to do is invite you to connect it to my home while you're at it.

        What my neighbors do is a different story entirely.

      • Or you could put your cable under the road, like everyone else. Given that the government owns most roads that means a single point of negotiation for the whole job.
    • Methinks you don't know what "quality" means.
    • by Nkwe ( 604125 )

      Lasers require line of sight, which is obviously a problem.

      Not if you have the right error correction algorithm. If packet transmitted successfully, send next packet; otherwise increase power and try again. Repeat as necessary.

      • by jabuzz ( 182671 )

        Oh my god. Really lasers require line of sight because unless you have very special optics going on light *ONLY* travels in straight lines. I mean this is physics 101 for crying out loud.

        • You missed the "increase power" and "repeat as necessary" steps.

          • by jabuzz ( 182671 )

            No you missed your physics classes.

            Increasing the power and repeating will make no difference whatsoever. If there is no "line of sight" then laser transmission without an optical wave guide (aka a fibre optic cable) is a none starter.

            For the purposes of free air laser transmission light only travels in straight lines. That is no gravitational lensing, and no fancy ultra modern optics which basically are of no use in this scenario.

            So repeat after me you idiot no line of sight no transmission.

        • by itzly ( 3699663 )
          If only there was a way to guide the light through a thin flexible piece of glass that you could bury underground...
        • I thought that physics for crying out loud was called acoustics, not optics?
        • lasers require line of sight because unless you have very special optics going on light *ONLY* travels in straight lines.

          Maybe if you pointed the laser into some sort of optical cable...

      • You might want to look up what "line of sight" means.

        Suppose I point a laser in your direction and you are trying to detect that laser. We're five miles apart. Will you be able to spot that laser on a clear night? Probably not, because there is probably some other building between you and me. Or a tree. Or a hill.

        Go outside and look five miles due west. In all probability you can't, you can only see as far as your neighbor's front door. No amount of error correction is going to fix the fact that there's

    • The year 2004 just called and they want their 100 million back!

  • by smoothnorman ( 1670542 ) on Monday November 17, 2014 @12:50PM (#48403521)
    A few university set-ups in Germany tried this, (e.g. Hamburg), albeit probably with far simpler specifications as it was some years ago. They had surprisingly frequent problems with birds; birds perching on the towers, birds flying between the source/sink, uzw. Packet loss got enough at one point to contact a local falconer to see if his bird of prey could scare them away. It turned out that the local bakery was too much of a draw. There was whimsical talk of adding a TCP/IP error for bakery janitorial events. I believe they eventually just went with fiber pulled through the sewers ..ja-da
    • A few university set-ups in Germany tried this, (e.g. Hamburg), albeit probably with far simpler specifications as it was some years ago. They had surprisingly frequent problems with birds; birds perching on the towers, birds flying between the source/sink, uzw. Packet loss got enough at one point to contact a local falconer to see if his bird of prey could scare them away. It turned out that the local bakery was too much of a draw. There was whimsical talk of adding a TCP/IP error for bakery janitorial events. I believe they eventually just went with fiber pulled through the sewers ..ja-da

      Simple solution: Verstärken die Laser. :)

      • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

        I was about to make the same crack, but in English. Crank that baby up to solar furnace levels of energy. Then, when the bird tries to perch in front of the laser, it gets rapidly cooked and falls. As a bonus, you could start a KFC franchise right below the tower.

        Alternatively (and more seriously), mount several lasers a few feet apart and use channel bonding. If one laser goes dark, turn off its mate in the opposite direction, and try again on a preset schedule. That way, the sending end immediately

    • I maintained a laser link once. The tree in front of it grew high enough to block it, so we hired a tree trimmer. He managed to knock the laser off the roof somehow.
  • by random coward ( 527722 ) on Monday November 17, 2014 @12:51PM (#48403555)
    This seems kinda familiar. Kinda like a project I read about over a decade ago. They just added adaptive optics and a radio link for automation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
  • Sure I suppose it's good enough for a single user, but I think it'll be a bit more expensive to add these in rather than run a set of fiber cables down the road.

  • The benefit of these devices is that they also can help alleviate a good portion the back-haul fiber necessary. I am assuming that this tech is highly similar to what Google and Elon Musk are looking to accomplish. The red tape of entrenched monopolies makes it easier to move the backbone into LEO (Low Earth Orbit). These towers can last mile without needing local fiber to a POP. Somehow it is cheaper to build a global network of satellites/drones than it is to run fiber. That is the extent of the power

    • Lol, again with the monopoly talk... There is no such thing in the united states.

      Telcos have franchise agreements for POTS (plain old telephone service)
      Cable companies have them for Telvision over coax.

      If you're not using coax, and you're not delivering phone service over twisted pair, there is nothing a local phone or cable company can do to stop you unless you're the actual municipality itself. It's usually in the agreements that local government cannot compete with these sorts of services at all. Hence t

      • Who owns and controls the Conduit/subways under NYC for fiber to be run? Hint: It used to be Ma Bell.
        Answer: It is a subsidiary of Verizon.

        Verizon does not even in the slightest commit to or have obligations to make conduit space available and it is nearly un-maintained except for in their interests. Tunnels are collapsed, conduits remain full and not expanded.

        If only Verizon controls those conduits, does that make them have a monopoly on perhaps one of the most important data arteries in the country? Wha

      • by Bengie ( 1121981 )

        If you're not using coax, and you're not delivering phone service over twisted pair, there is nothing a local phone or cable company can do to stop you

        Ohh, you mean you don't qualify for easement access? In many areas, only official telephone or cable companies have access to Right of Ways. Obviously electrical, water, and gas also have access. Every city around here has exactly one cable and one telephone company. Adjacent cities may have different phone or cable companies, but only one per city.

  • Hearing about lasers and raindrops puts me in mind of this recent XKCD What-If [xkcd.com] posting.
  • So, unless I'm mistaken, this would require line of site, meaning that unless you put it on only the tallest of cell towers, a tree can kill the signal after a couple years of growth.

    The same goes for any new parking garages that may happen to get built.

  • by bware ( 148533 ) on Monday November 17, 2014 @01:49PM (#48404215) Homepage

    Terabeam Networks, c. 1999. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terabeam [wikipedia.org]
    And they weren't the first.

  • by braindrainbahrain ( 874202 ) on Monday November 17, 2014 @03:14PM (#48405021)

    This reminds me of a DARPA project from a while back that sounds very similiar: The ORCLE program [afcea.org]. I wonder if this is an outgrowth from the DARPA funded work.

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