Behind the Scenes With the Star Trek Fan Reboot 106
A reader writes: The original Starship Enterprise was on a 5-year mission, but the original series was canceled after the third year. A continuation of Star Trek:TOS is being created by a dedicated cast and crew intent on keeping true to the spirit of Gene Roddenberry's television show. From recreating the original sets with incredible accuracy and attention to details, staying faithful to original storylines has been a true labor of love for all involved. Here are a series of videos showing the progress being made on recreating the iconic series. (And if you missed it last time, here's the first episode they produced.)
Great show (Score:4, Interesting)
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What makes these shows so good is not only the very faithful recreation of the Enterprise and all that goes with it, but the effort that goes into the scripts. If you haven't watched them, do so and enjoy.
I felt the same joy as when I was a child in the 60s watching these for th
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My expectations were very low, but after watching Pilgrims of Eternity I was *very* impressed. Excellent production, well-written. Very well done.
rehab fan (Score:1)
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In college, I stopped watching television. Afterwards, it just struck me as stupid and self righteous, but maybe that was a reflection of society as a whole.
No, it's not a reflection of society as a whole. You were right the first time....it was stupid and self righteous. But that's just what happens why you are young and stupid and get caught up in that whole "I'm too smart for anything on television, so I won't even own a TV" meme.
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Busy doing what?
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Twilight Zone, "A Little Peace And Quiet": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A... [wikipedia.org] my favourite episode of the "New", loosely based on my favourite classic episode "Time Enough At Last". Both horribly, horribly pessimistic. As for TOL, you've got the Light Brigade arc (with Wil Wheaton, Nicole DeBoer and Robert Patrick in early roles!), The Deprogrammers (with Brent Spiner), the absolutely cracking "The Voyage Home" (Michael Dorn), both versions of "I, Robot" which both starred Leonard Nimoy, the latter version d
The bane of fan made series - the acting (Score:4, Insightful)
I've watched a few of these fan made series - I have yet to find one that was actually watchable. The sets can be great, the lighting, the CGI effects - but what always kills these series is the acting. It's awful. Always. I have yet to find a fan series with passable acting. If they could get decent actors, they could use cardboard boxes for sets and it would at least be watchable.
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Surprisingly, much of the casting works really well.
(Exceptions are that Bones seems miscast and Grant just sucks as Sulu. Grant isn't just hammy overacting, but doing an exaggerated comedic impersonation of hammy-overacting. I guess the producers get cheap props that way, so... the needs of the many...)
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The acting is on par with the original series.
I was hoping for better than that.
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Vic Mignogna actually has very intentionally made his Kirk rendition as close to Shatner's as he could, down to the way Kirk walks.
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Nostalgia blinders are a big issue. TOS wasn't that good. These fan shows do tend to get most of it the same. But it has been close to half century sence TOS.
Of course the big issue that happens is the urge to bring in TNG universe into the mix. There seems to be this crazy attempt to tie cannon together.
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Anyone who refers to Star Trek by a three letter acronym is just plain not the target audience.
(Unless, perhaps, it's TRO, for "The Real One")
Star Trek and its spinoffs have a minimal amount in common.
hawk
The bane of fan made series - the acting (Score:1)
Well there's only been three episodes of this so far, and you can see them improve in each one, at least in my opinion. They're certainly improving more than the first three episodes of most official Star Trek series, which are generally guaranteed to be pretty awful.
star trek: phase ii (Score:2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S... [wikipedia.org]
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YAFMTOS (Score:2)
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Actors who can copy the wooden acting faithfully. And Scotty's son playing Scotty with the same crappy fake Scottish accent.
Kirk battles the Kardashians for Planet Klickbait (Score:2)
I saw this reboot, but... (Score:2)
...the problem is they can't act! They make Shatner look like Brando by comparison.
It's a terrible shame, but bad acting is bad acting.
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Have you seen Brando in Oklahoma!?
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Agreed. Acting is a lot like coding. A lot of people think they can do it, but if you compare the typical amateur production vs. a professional one, it's like night and day.
btw I dunno where people get the idea that Shatner was a bad actor. Yes he sounds wooden in some of the 60's TOS episodes, but it was mostly the lame script/dialogue. Give Shatner a decent script (e.g. Wrath of Khan) and he shines.
Hell even Natalie Portman -- award-winning first rate actress by anyone's estimation -- sounds bad when give
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good example of poor writing, SW killed Jake Lloyd's career to the point where he won't even talk about it.
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that would be "Halkans" .
It was nice to have a bit of filler between the TOS mirror episode and the DS9 one.
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Remarkable (Score:2)
I'm not really interested in fan-made anything, for the usual reasons. This team's version of Pilgrim of Eternity is however nothing less than remarkable and deserving of much credit.
The official website with all episodes... (Score:4, Informative)
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Neat (Score:2)
Must have been under a rock, had not heard of "Star Trek Continues" before, so I am watching the first episode right now. Although I can certainly understand keeping the same sets, characters, props, and sound effects, I can't for the life of me understand why they would intentionally want to use the 4:3 aspect ratio. Hmm
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I bet you think lomography is a poncey faux-retro hipster fad too.
[Adjusts beret & flounces off on fixie]
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It would seem that all of their sets are based on the original set plans which were designed for the 4:3 aspect ratio. Trying to shoot in a widescreen format would likely show parts of the set which weren't intended. I mean, check out how much of that bridge set is open plywood. That set requires some strictly framed shots to work right.
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It would seem that all of their sets are based on the original set plans which were designed for the 4:3 aspect ratio.
I posted earlier about my own growing weariness with fan remakes of Star Trek: TOS.
This slavish obsession with recreating the original sets with all their flaws and limitations being one of the reasons.
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Transport them to the brig! (Score:2)
You have no copyright... this stuff belongs to the Chris Pine as Kirk team. This can't make any money and will be assimilated into Paramount.
Lesson for Hollywood (Score:4, Interesting)
This fan fic already has a few episodes in the can. And it's so good, that even the most horrible episode in the bunch (the one with the Orion slavegirl), is simultaneously unwatchable, and completely watchable on its merits as a very faithful recreation of a typically bad episode from the original series. These guys have got it down pat. They know exactly how to faithfully remake an honest homage to an average bad episode from the original series. And it's certainly doesn't hurt that the episode's guest star was none other than Lou "The Incredible Hulk" Ferrigno. As an Orion slave trader. In full body green makeup!
It's eery watching Chris Doohan in this series. The guy is a spitting image of his old man. Looks like a younger Scotty. Close your eyes, and you can't tell it's not Scotty. I thoroughly enjoyed watching the episodes as they came out. They were far more entertaining than either of the two terrible reboots. I refused, on principle, to pay money to watch the crap reboots in the theaters. But if these folks ever manage to crank out a reel, and it makes it down to my local megaplex, I'll be the first in line to buy a ticket.
Time for something new. (Score:2)
I can appreciate the energy and enthusiasm that goes into these projects.
But with 85 years of modern science fiction to explore, with excellent examples available to draw upon in from all media, you would think even the die-hard fan would have grown a little weary of gearing up to prduce yet another retread of Star Trek: TOS.
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You can't get hundreds of people to agree on a single new project to collaborate and donate their time and money to. Sure something original would be nice, but you'd never get enough people enthusiastic about to reach the same production quality without the instant brand recognition of something like Star Trek.
It's pretty damned good (Score:2)
Never could get into Star Trek (Score:2)
There are three things about Star Trek which are unbearable to me:
1. The Holodeck, which is just one massive plothole
2. Badly done time travel, which is yet another massive plothole
3. Badly done aliens, with a lame explanation.
That episode made by the fans just utterly obliterated any interest I might have had by starting right with big mistake no. 1.
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3. Badly done aliens, with a lame explanation.
After watching the Japanese "Fafner" TV animation, I was quite intrigued by the whole "assimilation" idea. Tried to watch the Star Trek version of it - and was largely disappointed.
The "Q" are one hell of a plothole - but still pretty much the only "true" aliens in the Start Trek.
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More of the same (Score:2)
intent on keeping true to the spirit of Gene Roddenberry's television show.
That's just another way of saying "more of the same".
I can understand why the entertainment industry is so obsessed with the canons: to not dilute value of the original.
But I still can't grasp the why the fans are so obsessed with the "more of the same"?
P.S. I like how Japanese animes often parody and make fun of themselves. I like how they sometimes shuffle the roles and characters. Occasionally the shenanigans are way too transparent and shallow - but sometimes very brilliant and deeps ideas come ou
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But I still can't grasp the why the fans are so obsessed with the "more of the same"?
Why not? Let's say I like a game or a TV show. I watch/play it until I have completed it. If I still like it by the time I complete it, I will want "more of the same" hopefully with some annoyances of the previous instance fixed. I personally do not understand why would a fan of a TV show (or a game) would not want "more of the same" but something different. If I like the original, I want more of the same, if I want different, that means I did not really like the original, did I?
Take a game like the Borderl
Nope...it was good... (Score:1)
I loved ST:OS when I was a kid, and these remake/homages definitely capture the fun and a lot of the spirit [and a bunch of the cheese] of the original. Definitely worthwhile.
Kids nowadays....you can't understand how groundbreaking and exciting Star Trek was back in the '60's.
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Isn't this old news? (Score:2)
There have only been three episodes since, like, forever. They're ok, but is that all there's going to be?
CRAP!!! (Score:3)
You want the real continuation of the 5 year voyage? Go with the guys that have been making episodes for over 10 years.
www.startreknewvoyages.com
Vic and his crew are no where near the level of accuracy and faithfulness to TOS as the New Voyages team is, and their latest episode, Mind-Sifter is all the proof you need.
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Well there are other things that are important as well as the story -- the acting, casting, staying faithful to the canon -- all things that Continues fails. Vic does a horrible Shatner impersonation and both he and Haberkorn sound like they're on helium. Not to mention Vic being about 15 years too old to be playing TOS Kirk. And instead of using the Kirk, Spock, McCoy dynamic that dominated TOS and made it special they have chosen to push McCoy into the wings and introduce the canon-breaking character of D
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Slashdotted apparently.
if Scotty looks familiar to you (Score:2)
...it's because he is portrayed by James Doohan's son.
Mommmmmm! (Score:1)
Re:people still watch that crap? (Score:5, Funny)
So, to summarize....it sucked so bad that you watched hundreds of hours of it?
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I had considered checking out Trek before, but there's just so much material there and nobody could give a firm recommendation. Now, after this guy, I'll be making it a point to avoid Star Trek.
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I'd suggest checking out Star Trek, despite that 1 guy who whined a lot.
For the purpose, a short-list, and some quick recommendations...
* The Original Series ('66-'69) - dated, and it shows. Only watchable for nostalgic reasons
* The Next Generation ('87-'94) - showing its age, 1st season quite bad, rest varies between bad and very good, decent place to start, can be a bit preachy
*Deep Space Nine ('93-'99) - Decent visuals, seasons 1-3 pretty poor story-wise, end of season 3 through season 6 pretty decent-to
Re:people still watch that crap? (Score:4, Informative)
Some episodes you can try watching (even if out-of-sequence and spoilery), to get a feel for Trek:
I'm sorry, but it's Geek Law that every list of ST episodes to 'try' must include TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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yeah, no - I wouldn't send a non-Trekkie to watch "Yesterday's Enterprise" randomly, since it would ruin too many things.
Time-travelling is included in "Trials and Tribble-actions" and "Year of Hell I+II".
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Yeah, I skipped listing episodes from The Original Series (TOS) and The Animated Series (TAS), due to not having watched much of either - I simply don't have the base for recommending any.
My personal issue is simply that I find watching either difficult, due to the visuals and the acting. Is not that it is bad, simply my preferences and me being spoiled, that makes it a problem. If you are OK with watching TV from that era, I'm sure you can suffer through at least TOS.
Based on other's(!) comments, you can c
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I can certainly criticize and critique episodes and movies, but obviously I liked/like Star Trek and won't slam it as-a-whole. Admittedly I didn't watch Enterprise beyond the pilot, nor did I see Nemesis or the second JJ Abrams movie.
I've seen a faux-documentary related to Prelude to Axanar that was pretty good. They got a lot of experienced actors to participate, and their costuming and sets were decent, and the writing s
Re:people still watch that crap? (Score:4, Interesting)
Enterprise was actually surprisingly good, with a few exceptions; I only watched it a few months ago, since I had turned my nose up at it when it was new. It did start out a big rough and had a little too much gratuitous sexuality at first, but when it settled down it was pretty good. The main problems with Enterprise are: 1) the opening theme music. It's absolutely horrible. I don't know WTF they were thinking with that whiny emo crap. But there's an exception here: the two mirror-universe episodes in Season 4 had excellent music and intro scenes of humans blasting everything and conquering. And 2) the whole Xindi attack plot arc in Season 3 was too much. It was an obvious parallel to the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and just didn't go over that well.
I also didn't bother with the second Abrams movie; the first one was too much of a disappointment.
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Enterprise was just starting to get pretty good when then canceled it :( My main problem with the series was Scott B. as the captain, it just didn't work well for me.
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I thought he was amazing as Evil Archer in the mirror episodes. In fact both of those episodes were downright awesome. Season 4 was probably the best season of that show, but by that point its viewership numbers had dropped to what the networks term the "point of no return" so it had to be cancelled.
I think the Romulan wars would have been interesting had it gotten to that (it WAS in the show's immediate future, after all.) To remain canonical, they would have to had never shown a Romulan's face, which woul
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they didn't just cancel it, they Bobby Ewinged the entire fucking series with RIKER!?
Re:people still watch that crap? (Score:4, Insightful)
1) the opening theme music. It's absolutely horrible. I don't know WTF they were thinking with that whiny emo crap.
They were thinking: "Hey, kids like this shit, right? We need to appeal to the younger crowd. That's where the money is. So we'll toss the old symphonic opening scores. We'll also sex it up a bit with a hot-bodied Vulcan in a skin-tight suit. Oh, and we'll make sure to fabricate a few excuses to strip that suit off and smear a bunch of oil on her. This is gonna be big! ... Plot? Shit, the writers will figure that stuff out. Don't bother me, I'm figuring out the important stuff here!"
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Now you know why I quit reading Games of Thrones after the 3rd book or so, and why I've no interest in watching the series.
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Yes. All those faults, and still the best science fiction serials ever. Doesn't that say a lot for the potential of the genre?
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Agree on TOS and TNG.
TNG in particular is hard to re-watch. A drinking game based on "reroute power from the" would probably kill the hardiest drinker within a few episodes. It did have a surprising number of really solid episodes though, and while boring and predictable, the rest of the show is generally watchable.
You didn't miss much with voyager. They went way overboard with the whole strong female lead thing, and created an all knowing all powerful and totally unbelievable character with Captain Janeway
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You didn't miss much with voyager.
Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale,
A tale of a fateful trip...
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TNG a bunch of technobabble and reengineering the ship to solve the problem of the week
Don't forget all that poncing around space so they can talk down to aliens with their self-righteous moralizing!
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TOS was a bunch of LSD lights and kirk visiting stupid copies of earth
Hahaha.... I'm sure someone will point out that Kirk only went to a "stupid copy of earth" twice and LSD lights in space didn't feature that often... yet somehow you've managed to distill and exaggerate an already selective general perception into something that *sounds* like you hit the nail on the head. :-)
TNG a bunch of technobabble and reengineering the ship to solve the problem of the week
True... but you forgot the overuse of the holodeck, which, if you were to exaggerate it the same way you did TOS, would have every third episode involving Data dressing up as Holmes and chasing Moriart