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Gunmen Kill 12, Wound 7 At French Magazine HQ 1350

An anonymous reader writes: A pair of gunmen have stormed the office of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, killing 12 people and wounding seven more. The magazine had recently published a cartoon of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and witnesses say the gunmen shouted, "we have avenged the Prophet Muhammad," before leaving. "Four of the magazine's well-known cartoonists, including its editor-in-chief Stephane Charbonnier were reported among those killed, as well as at least two police officers. Mr Charbonnier, 47, had received death threats in the past and was living under police protection." The attackers engaged police in a gunfire outside the building, then fled in a car. At the time of this writing, they are still at large. Currently, the BBC has the most information out of English news outlets. French speakers can consult the headline at Le Monde for more current news.
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Gunmen Kill 12, Wound 7 At French Magazine HQ

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  • islam (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ganjadude ( 952775 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:23AM (#48754387) Homepage
    the religion of peace....
    • Re:islam (Score:4, Insightful)

      by pigiron ( 104729 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:28AM (#48754459) Homepage

      Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

      • Re:islam (Score:5, Funny)

        by TheGratefulNet ( 143330 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @12:50PM (#48755607)

        Romani Ite Domum

        (wrong thread?)

    • by Taco Cowboy ( 5327 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:31AM (#48754505) Journal

      They bombed the London Tube for Allah

      They bombed the Madrid train station for Allah

      They crashed planes into the World Trade Center at NYC and at the Pentagon for Allah

      A film director was murdered in the Netherlands for Allah

      Hostages had been killed in Sydney for Allah

      And now, at least 12 person have been cold-bloodedly slaughtered, in Paris, for Allah

      In the name of "Allah", who will be the next victim ?

      • by Charliemopps ( 1157495 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:46AM (#48754677)

        Hopefully the bold tag?

      • by davydagger ( 2566757 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @12:06PM (#48754951)
        I don't want to discount the threat of fundimentalist religious lunatics(of any stripe), nor would I stand in the way of reasonable efforts to put them down, but lets be real here, and not blame an entire reliegon of 1.2 billion people for a handful of incidents, and fringe groups.

        Whats even worse is that because you can project the actions of a few, who are organized into organizations for such, onto a much wider population, you'll ultimately fail at stopping terrorism because you wouldn't know where to start by fighting it. You'll also easily be thrown off track into attacking strawmen, and other no-value targets sparking wider conflict out of stupidity. Its not just that the "take them all" approach will invaribly kill innocents, its the fact is that its prohibits higher order thinking needed to form a more reasonable plan of attack with a higher chance of success.

        The end result of American culture disvaluing intellectualism at all levels is that we start loosing wars because we distrust anyone smart enough to proccess all but the most simple of stratagem. People like you would rather loose than be labeled a nerd for trying to strategize. This is the real cause for the fall of western civilization.

        • by DarkOx ( 621550 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @12:32PM (#48755353) Journal

          and not blame an entire reliegon of 1.2 billion people for a handful of incidents, and fringe groups.

          No I am tired of that argument it might have been legit 20 years ago but history in the mean time has proven its horse shit.

          You be real. One religion in recent history has been responsible for the vast vast majority of religious inspired violence. Essentially two mainstream religions feature a scripture that preaches violence against its enemies, the Islamic and Jewish faiths. The latter does not have any prevailing interpretations advocating violence outside a small patch of land.

          Christianity has the New Testament which is supreme over the Old and is very consistent in its advocacy of nonviolence. Where violence is "called for" the specified actor is nearly always God who will be doing the damning, smiting, cutting down of, etc.. Its not up to the individual. Generally this pretty compatible with modern society. They up the road can hope as much as he likes God will strike me down, as long as he does take the initiative himself I am not especially concerned. One can be a practicing Christian using most main line interpretations without doing much direct harm to anyone else.

          Islam on the other hand host lots of prevailing interpretations that very much do require followers to attack others. Its not socially compatible at all. When polled you actually find quite a lot of support for groups like ISIS and Boko Haram from "western" faithful (ignorant teenagers anyway) even if they are not about to take up arms themselves.

          These might be "fringe groups" but its a pretty damn large fringe compared to the fringes of other major religions.

          I am not saying governments ought to step in an stop people from practicing their faith but I do think the rest of society might do well to express a little less religious tolerance and acceptance. A little social exclusion would probably lead lots of younger folks to drop it, and maybe after a generation or two most followers who remain won't bring it up often at all and will boil it down to a few annual excuses for naked commercialism.

          • by Microlith ( 54737 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @01:02PM (#48755749)

            No I am tired of that argument it might have been legit 20 years ago but history in the mean time has proven its horse shit.

            So basic logic was legit 20 years ago, but now it's invalid?

            One religion in recent history has been responsible for the vast vast majority of religious inspired violence.

            You mean a subset of people who consider themselves to be part of a religion.

            I am not saying governments ought to step in an stop people from practicing their faith but I do think the rest of society might do well to express a little less religious tolerance and acceptance.

            But only against those you choose to be intolerant again. And when you are intolerant, you express blanket intolerance. Great way to make enemies and end up like Europe.

            A little social exclusion would probably lead lots of younger folks to drop it

            Or it would make them feel oppressed and alienated, leading them to lend an ear to the extremists. Oh wait, this is exactly what is happening. You are your own worst enemy.

      • by T.E.D. ( 34228 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @12:22PM (#48755213)

        In the name of "Allah", who will be the next victim ?

        Almost certainly a Muslim. Islamists kill more Muslims that all their other victims combined.

        In fact... here's your answer: 38 poor saps killed today in Yemen [bbc.com] who were minding their own business. All Muslims.

        And don't think you (or at least I) are particularly better in this regard by virtue of being Christian. Christian extremists don't seem to have any more trouble with marching into Christian church services [wikipedia.org] right here in the USA and murdering people they have religious disputes with.

    • Re:islam (Score:5, Insightful)

      by caseih ( 160668 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @12:50PM (#48755609)

      And in fact the criminals who murdered these 12 people are not followers of Islam though they claim to do it in the name of Islam. And the vast majority of those who are Muslim in the world do not condone nor celebrate these kind of murders done in the name of Islam, and really do want, as most of us do, peace. To paint them all with the same brush is to be as bigoted as those who committed this heinous act in the first place, especially when I read of westerners who call for the annihilation of Muslims, as I've read in other places. Surely that is no better than religious extremism.

      I have spent some significant time in the middle east, and I can assure you that in general the peoples of that area (of all cultural identities, Turkish, Arab, Persian, and others) are good folks who are welcoming and hospitable, just as I'm sure the majority of westerners are. We have our own extremist and criminals in the west as well, of different kinds, be they non-religious or religious.

      In actual fact, the root causes of many forms of terrorism are not very different from common gang problems in the United States. Disenfranchisement, poverty, political corruption, military occupation all contribute to the problem, though that cannot excuse personal responsibility.

      This tragic event seems to fit the definition of "terrorism" but I fear the word has still lost all meaning. A man who shot and killed 8 people in Calgary recently is called a "mass murderer." Perhaps this is not terrorism because his goal was to terrorize and kill a single family, not a city or nation? If a killing can be linked to some religious idea is it terrorism? The "troubles" in northern Ireland in the 80s and 90s, was that terrorism? What about the PKK fight against Turkey, or the intifada in Palestine (which is clearly not religious in nature)? What about the massacre in Norway in 2011? Certainly that was terrorism, but definitely not religious at all?

      I sincerely hope that these criminals are captured quickly and brought to justice. I also hope that innocent folks who do follow Isam, and are in fact peaceful, will not face reprisals or violence against them. And my heart goes out to the families who lost their loved ones in today's senseless attack.

    • We need Voltaire (Score:5, Insightful)

      by catchblue22 ( 1004569 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @12:59PM (#48755731) Homepage

      Never has this quote from Voltaire been more true:

      Those who can make people believe absurdities can make them commit atrocities.

  • by sycodon ( 149926 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:27AM (#48754439)

    ...is still trying to decide if it's Terrorism or Work Place Violence.

    • Re:White House... (Score:5, Informative)

      by sycodon ( 149926 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:29AM (#48754473)

      Before You Ask [weeklystandard.com] for a citation.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:31AM (#48754501)

    All the more reason to share and repost the cartoon across the internet.

  • by dskoll ( 99328 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:32AM (#48754509) Homepage

    This is the response of the fascist ideology known as Islam to freedom of expression.

  • by nimbius ( 983462 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:41AM (#48754629) Homepage
    Charlie Hebdo is the name of the office you shot up, and i hardly imagine its going to avenge anything. 4 years ago, you firebombed the offices and razed them to ashes. It didnt work. Charlie Hebdo kept printing, and in the wake of something that would have sent any other newspaper in America scrambling to retreat Hebdo hardly seemed to care. Stephane Charbonnier, the editor in chief, issued a statement that referred to the attempt at censorship not as terrifying or vengeful, but just 'irritating.' You were nothing more than an irritation after property damage, but if history is any indication you've just opened a hundred new offices for Charlie Hebdos of all shapes and sizes. If you didnt want the prophet depicted, if he was in fact sacred, you've now effectively guaranteed Muhammad will be depicted voraceously, callously, and unabated for days to come.
  • by barlevg ( 2111272 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:42AM (#48754637)
    After their offices were firebombed in 2011, cartoonist and editor-in-chief Stéphane Charbonnier, who is rumored to be one of the causalities of today's attack, said he did not see the bombing as the work of French Muslims, but of what he called "idiot extremists." Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-... [bbc.com]
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:43AM (#48754647)

    Every media, newspaper, magazine, tv news outlet can provide their answer tommorow morning by posting direct on the front pages the cartoons of Mohammed - and simply state that Violence cannot, and will never win against the Pen.

    However, media companies can also continue to self censorship as they have done now for many years, and leave small numbers of journalists and freedom fighters, to face these evil people on their own. Its a fucking call to arms - Its high time people understood on both sides that any form of respect towards a religion has to be earned and that religion will not be allowed to dictate what equates in terms of liberty and free speech.

    This attack is the spear end of a much larger one on freedom, free speech and liberty by Islam and Muslims - and its been taking place over dacades. Its a serious fight, and should not end on the death of some Charles Hedbo office in France.

  • by Mysticalfruit ( 533341 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:45AM (#48754665) Homepage Journal
    Every magazine and newspaper in France should publish the offending cartoons on their front pages. Show these assholes that they wouldn't silenced with violence.
  • by hcs_$reboot ( 1536101 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:45AM (#48754667)
    Some Charlie Hebdo cartoons with translation.
    That would be great if magazines worldwide could support Charlie Hebdo and the free world by publishing some of these cartoons (with a better translation ;-)

    1. "Mahomet is overwhelmed by fundamentalists" Balloon:"It's hard to be loved by jerks" [lexpress.fr]

    2. "Charia Hebdo" Balloon:"100 lashes if you do not LOL [Lit.: die loughing]" [imgur.com]

    3. "Coran is crap..." "It's not bullet proof" [meltybuzz.fr]

  • Video (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Dan East ( 318230 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:51AM (#48754723) Homepage Journal

    Here is uncensored video of the gunfight with a police officer, then the execution of the police officer. I think it's good for the public to see these kinds of things, so they can fully appreciate the reality of the threat posed to our society.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i... [liveleak.com]

  • Terrorists (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mseeger ( 40923 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:54AM (#48754777)

    Terrorists are people, who feel more threatened by a drawing than by drones,
    Terrorists are people, who fear small girls with books more than death,
    Terrorists are people, who use bullets because their mind cannot work with words,
    they are not scared by torture or surveillance, but truth and freedom.

  • #JeSuisCharlie? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Xelios ( 822510 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:59AM (#48754849)
    Maybe instead of representing solidarity with a silly hashtag it'd better for us all to exercise free speech by posting a picture of Muhammad. Not an overly offensive picture either, a simple stick man would do.

    This craziness isn't going to stop until the media and us people in general start standing up for the things that we're always claiming to hold dear.
  • Egyptian President (Score:5, Informative)

    by weiserfireman ( 917228 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @01:52PM (#48756371) Homepage

    A couple days ago, I learned about the New Year's Day Speech by the Egyptian President. ..http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/01/egypts-president-sisi-calls-for-islamic-religious-revolution/

    He called for a deep revolution in thought about the tenets of Islam. He believes that Muslims are destroying themselves and their credibility with the world with the violence being done in the name of Islam.

    After I heard about the events in Paris, I really wanted to hear what he has to say. I think he would be dismayed, and point to it as an example of what he was saying.

  • Vive la France! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Spy Handler ( 822350 ) on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @02:12PM (#48756625) Homepage Journal

    My hat's off to the murder victims. They had the guts and the courage of conviction to take on Islam. Let us honor these brave Frenchmen and their country.

    My fellow Americans like to joke about French surrender and Googling French military victories ('no results found"). But that seems absurd to me because it's the French doing all the brave things while Americans cower in fear.

    I do not see CNN or Fox News or Huffington Post or any other American paper taking on Islam. Politically correct cowardice is rampant in America, home of the chickens. American activists bravely take on Silicon Valley tech firms and Xbox gamers for misogyny while completely ignoring the Islamic treatment of women. That's like attacking a kid for playing with water balloons while ignoring the mafia guy next to him planting C4 car bombs. But I guess even cowards have to make themselves feel good by doing something... as long as there's no danger to themselves. Safety is important!

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