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Obama Planning New Rules For Oil and Gas Industry's Methane Emissions 202

mdsolar sends this quote from the NY Times: In President Obama's latest move using executive authority to tackle climate change, administration officials will announce plans this week to impose new regulations on the oil and gas industry's emissions of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas, according to a person familiar with Mr. Obama's plans. The administration's goal is to cut methane emissions from oil and gas production by up to 45 percent by 2025 from the levels recorded in 2012.

The Environmental Protection Agency will issue the proposed regulations this summer, and final regulations by 2016, according to the person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the administration had asked the person not to speak about the plan. The White House declined to comment on the effort. Methane, which leaks from oil and gas wells, accounts for just 9 percent of the nation's greenhouse gas pollution — but it is over 20 times more potent than carbon dioxide, so even small amounts of it can have a big impact on global warming.
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Obama Planning New Rules For Oil and Gas Industry's Methane Emissions

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @01:33PM (#48812209)

    Methane is a far more powerful (25 times or so) greenhouse gas than c02, so sealing leaky problem wells and extraction sites makes perfect sense.

    But since Obama proposed it, I'm against it.

  • reduce production (Score:2, Insightful)

    by BradMajors ( 995624 )

    Obama has always been trying to reduce domestic oil production.

    • Obama has always been trying to reduce domestic oil production.

      Well that's a good thing, no? He tried to reduce domestic oil production, now it's blowing through the roof.

      Maybe he is smarter than you realize. Wheels within wheels.

      • Uh, well technology and the fact that Oil has been highly profitable have created more incentives to extract resources from less abundant and traditional sources. What does need to happen is that subsidies for the Oil/Gas industry need to be eliminated and they need to play by the same rules as any other company with respects to land use, reclamation and pollution. The Oil/Gas industry shouldn't however be targeted because it's not "ECO Friendly" with punitive regulations because as far as I can see, oil

        • What does need to happen is that subsidies for the Oil/Gas industry need to be eliminated and they need to play by the same rules as any other company

          they do, all companies can write off investments. Or do you think we are actually paying these companies money rather than simply letting them keep more of the money they made?

    • by CaptainLard ( 1902452 ) on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @02:20PM (#48812711)

      Is his complete failure to reduce production the reason you (likely) hate him? Since Obama took office, oil production has increased 50%:

      http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hi... [eia.gov]

      The reason it's probably going to drop precipitously in the next few months/year is due to the whims of OPEC, not the administration. Do heartland states really want to tie your economies so tightly to how Arabs are feeling?

      • Re:reduce production (Score:4, Informative)

        by Ferretman ( 224859 ) <ferretman AT gameai DOT com> on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @02:29PM (#48812811) Homepage
        To be fair, Obama has had zero to do with any of that....he's reduced federal production and exploration

        http://www.westernenergyallian... [westernene...liance.org]

        The massive increase in production is due to private enterprise and mostly private land, nothing to do with the feds:

        http://www.exxonmobilperspecti... [exxonmobil...ctives.com]

        Ferret
        • Re:reduce production (Score:5, Interesting)

          by CaptainLard ( 1902452 ) on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @03:24PM (#48813303)

          To be fair,

          Nahh, thats no fun. If we play the politics game we get some fun facts(ish): Obama has delivered Michelle Bachman's promise of $2 gas (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/19/michele-bachmann-stands-by-2-a-gallon-gas-pledge/) and is on track to deliver Mitt Romney's promise of 12M new jobs (or get real close anyway, 2.5M jobs are currently being added each year). Of course we all know the main connection between administrations and economic issues is taking credit when things are good and getting blamed when things are bad. (That said there are exceptions such as deregulation->mortgage crisis...getting off topic here)

          If we want to be fair, these new methane regulations are merely holding oil producers accountable for the consequences of their activities. If that reduces production then its only reverting back to what it should have been all along had all costs been considered at the outset.

          Side note: since those industrious oil scamps increased production all on their own without federal handouts (i.e. access to fed managed land) then we no longer need to consider drilling in ANWR and the like, right?

  • >> administration's goal is to cut methane emissions from oil and gas production by up to 45 percent by 2025

    Good luck, pal. You'll be OOO for 7 solid years by then.

    • If the strategy is legitimate and the same government remains, I would suspect the plan to be upheld.

  • "just" 9 percent? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by amplesand ( 3864419 ) on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @01:53PM (#48812415)
    9 percent of the nation's greenhouse gas pollution is a bloody lot of greenhouse gas! Does the adding of the word "just" make it any less?
    • Re:"just" 9 percent? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by jbengt ( 874751 ) on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @03:26PM (#48813315)
      According to someone I know in the industry, the EPA estimates for methane leaking in to the atmosphere are greatly exaggerated.
      FYI, one of the leading cause of methane "leaks" in the field are pneumatic-type controls use that work using the pressurized gas in the pipe instead of compressed air (more economical to use what is at hand, rather than build out electrical or compressed air infrastructure to power the controls). These types of controls necessarily bleed off pressure in order to work (or they'd be one-way controls that could open, but not close, or vice-versa) The EPA requires reporting based on their estimates of leakages from types of equipment, valves, piping, etc. When his company did an internal audit of losses, they found that they were losing a small fraction of the methane that the EPA forms required them to report. I'm not saying that the actual leakage is an insignificant contribution to warming, nor that the gas company got it exactly right, just that the EPA estimate of possible savings is likely over-estimated.
      Probably at least as significant as methane entering the atmosphere from production facilities, is the methane that leaks from municipal distribution networks and consumer end uses.
    • by fnj ( 64210 )

      9 percent of the nation's greenhouse gas pollution is a bloody lot of greenhouse gas

      Not nearly as significant as the remaining 91% of greenhouse gas emissions, eh?

  • Oh good, 2025 is just in time. Just ask any scientist. What they should do is get that damn fusion reactor working before 2020 so we don't have to dig up or process the oil (or burn it) in the first place!
    • What they should do is get that damn fusion reactor working before 2020

      I've read some articles that state we're only spending enough money on developing fusion to hold our place - less money and we'd actually be losing knowledge as we wouldn't train enough scientists and engineers on the information to keep the knowledge up. More money and we'd actually develop the technology, though it would still take years even under a 'crash' type funding program.

      Still, under any reasonable fusion scenario it wouldn't displace oil. It'd displace coal first. I'm also afraid that any 'eco

  • So much anger (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DumbSwede ( 521261 ) <slashdotbin@hotmail.com> on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @02:49PM (#48812987) Homepage Journal

    This seems like a reasonable goal. Methane is natural gas, why not capture and use it? Lots of places still flair tons of it off as part of the oil extraction process – so it may no longer be methane, but it is still carbon in the atmosphere with no useful purpose other than to make oil drilling easier.

    Let’s face it Obama could cure cancer and a sizeable portion of the population led by Fox News would accuse him of putting doctors out of work. Natural gas is putting coal workers out of work, but the right blames Obama. Strange I though mining coals was dirty and dangerous and led to black lung. To the right those are all positive things because it shows what a strong work-ethic coal miners have.

    How about we really try to make the future cleaner and safer and not scream so much about jobs. If jobs are going away in one sector the answer is to retrain and educate to work in new safer better sectors. Last century’s jobs will not keep our economy afloat in the information age.

    I’ll probably get burned on mod points for saying this, but at least half these anger posts are probably some repressed prejudice and bigotry. Obama hasn’t been the greatest president ever – so evidently everyone made a mistake voting a black man to office. The economy is better; we have fewer troops fighting and no new wars. But the right is convinced it would have done 10x better. They sure screwed the pooch the administration before – lord help me how did they make so many gains in the midterms?

    It slowly got safe to point to Obama’s failings at which point the mob turned. Early after the first election you could be accused of being a bigot for criticizing the president at all. Now the pendulum has swung the other way and the bigots have ample cover to yell criticism. Of course I will get angry replies that it is all about the jobs and the economy and our foreign policy – and you may well believe it. But really it just galls to have a black man in power, especially if he threatens anything that whites see as fair play and ethnics see as white privilege.

    • most helium released from the earth is also just vented at many natural gas sites instead of being used; instead of a helium shortage we really just have a neuron in use shortage for now. Raising the bar for industry not to waste and pollute would have many long term benefits

      • by jbengt ( 874751 )
        Really, no company drilling for natural gas is going to throw away what comes with it, if they can avoid it. Ethane, propane, helium, and even carbon dioxide are extracted and sold, and with low methane prices they can make a significant difference in profit and loss
        On the other hand, oil companies operating in the middle of nowhere, like rigs offshore or in the middle of the Arabian desert, are going to flare off the gases if they have no way to transport it.
    • Let’s face it Obama could cure cancer and a sizeable portion of the population led by Fox News would accuse him of putting doctors out of work.

      Authoritarian Communist just wants to kill growth!!

  • Wrong time of year to ask if I give a flying f*ck about global warming.
  • by morgauxo ( 974071 ) on Wednesday January 14, 2015 @03:06PM (#48813139)

    Obama is starting to sound more like his old campaign-trail self than the president we have come to know. I think it's probably easy for him to make promises now as he can just blame the Republican congress when they don't actually happen.

    • by rwa2 ( 4391 ) *

      That and politics as usual. Democrats have to push a lot of extra fluff into bills now, so they can "compromise" by removing them... this kind of exercise helps keep the Republicans from targeting stuff they actually want to keep, while earning brownie points for both teams with their respective bases.

      Historically the US economy has done well with a (D) President and an (R) Congress. So just sit back and relax and try to minimize administrative overhead while they sneak through the next pork barrel under

  • Right now, Democrats are perfectly cool with a quasi-liberal president ruling by fiat while Republicans are enraged by his unconstitutional actions.

    With the next Republican president, when he or she issues law circumventing Congress, Republicans will cheer while Democrats are apoplectic.

    Actual principles like checks and balances, limited federal power, etc don't hold much sway in US politics today, so much as where the actors stand relative to the political poles.

    Frankly, pox on both their houses. The road

  • I can't blame Obama, with someone like Inhofe being put in charge of the EPA. There is no other way, as Inhofe is pretty much a Koch brothers paid Oil Industry employee who wants to staff the EPA with oil industry execs. Inhofe thinks the whole idea of anything humans can do affecting the Earth is bunk, because the Bible says so. When your faced with someone who feels nothing bad can happen because some ancient myth says so AND they are in a power position, what other choices are there?

If all else fails, lower your standards.

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