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Massive Layoff Underway At IBM 331

Tekla Perry writes: Project Chrome, a massive layoff that IBM is pretending is not a massive layoff, is underway. At more than 100,000 people, it is projected to be the largest mass layoff by any U.S. corporation in at least 20 years. Alliance@IBM, the IBM employees' union, says it has so far collected reports of 5000 jobs eliminated, but those are just numbers of those getting official layoff notices. According to anecdotal reports, IBM appears to be abusing the performance appraisal system to cut additional employees without officially laying them off.
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Massive Layoff Underway At IBM

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  • Odd blog post (Score:4, Insightful)

    by hawguy ( 1600213 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @09:21PM (#48975745)

    Somehow, I don't think the blog post quoted in the Forbes article is the official stance of IBM corporate PR:

    Response from IBM (via its Hong Kong office’s blog):

    IBM does not comment on rumors or speculation. However, we’ll make an exception when the speculation is stupid. That’s the case here, where an industry gadfly is trying to make noise about how IBM is about to lay off 26 percent of its workforce. That’s over 100,000 people, which is totally ludicrous.

    Despite claiming to be an "official" IBM blog, I don't believe a corporate PR person would say that speculation is stupid or refer to an industry gadfly making noise.

    • Despite claiming to be an "official" IBM blog, I don't believe a corporate PR person would say that speculation is stupid or refer to an industry gadfly making noise.

      I wish more companies PR people were like this one.

    • by gl4ss ( 559668 )

      well yeah, but why doesn't the blog then give a real number to work with? it would be normal procedure for a company to tell, especially a publicly traded company (THEY FUCKING HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO TELL SUCH THINGS).

      they're not even denying. maybe the entire hong kong office is getting the axe and don't even know it.

      also, laying off for "performance reasons" or whatever... is still laying off, a terminated work contract is a terminated work contract. I guess we wont know until the next quarterly though be

    • The article is by Cringley. (real name Mark Stephens), who epitomizes a noise-making gadfly.
    • Re:Odd blog post (Score:4, Informative)

      by Dahamma ( 304068 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @02:39AM (#48977417)

      On the topic of not commenting on rumors, this one was even more fun:

      When reached, IBM sent the following response: “We do not comment on rumors, even ridiculous or baseless ones. If anyone had checked information readily available from our public earnings statements, or had simply asked us, they would know that IBM has already announced the company has just taken a $600 million charge for workforce rebalancing. This equates to several thousand people, a mere fraction of what’s been reported. Last year, IBM hired 45,000 people, and the company currently has about 15,000 job openings around the world for new skills in growth areas such as cloud, analytics, security, and social and mobile technologies. This is evidence that IBM continues to remix its skills to match where we see the best opportunities in the marketplace.”

      Wow, 5 sentences of non comments. I'm thinking IBM PR doesn't understand what "no comment" really means.

  • by KermodeBear ( 738243 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @09:24PM (#48975755) Homepage

    We just can't find enough tech workers here in the USA! Honest!

    • by ehiris ( 214677 )

      IBM has lost some pretty big business customers due to the inability to compete with people who prefer to "insource" (lingo for ship the jobs out of the country by opening IT shops in low cost regions)
      While competing on that level, they lost complete touch with their end-customers and I wouldn't be surprised if these jobs will be available somewhere else under the IBM brand pretty soon.
      As a brand, I don't think that such a massive lay-off will be as easy to hide under the rug as their support of the Nazi ta

    • by PolygamousRanchKid ( 1290638 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @10:31PM (#48976179)

      Actually, we should greet H1-Bs with open arms . . . if they were for executive management positions.

      There is no problem with regular IBM employees.

      They are just extremely poorly managed.

      That is IBM's problem.

      Don't they have a Board of Directors, or something like that . . . ?

    • by SeaFox ( 739806 )

      Wouldn't it be interesting if every time there was a bunch if layoffs like this of tech workers the number of H1B visas were automatically lowered by the same amount (since clearly there are a large number of tech workers in America now available to fill those jobs).

      I think it would be fascinating to see the effects of such a rule on corporate decisions regarding these type of actions.

  • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @09:25PM (#48975761)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @09:29PM (#48975777)

      Dear Cynical,
      Please refrain from discussion on a personal level regarding my recent purchase of another yacht. I would not ask you to give back the single dollar menu hamburger you are feeding your three children, that just wouldn't be ethical on my part. So I ask you please give the same respect back to your 1% overlords.
      Thank you for your time in this matter,
      Make it a great day!

    • you're firing a city the size of boulder Colorado

      A ironic comparison as the city of Boulder is firing themselves every day, if you know what I mean.

    • I simply can not believe that yet another major US tech company like IBM would lay off so many employees like this... COUGH COUGH, General Electric, COUGH. In other news they still are off shoring their income to shield it from paltry US taxes they are asked to pay but still enjoy major US tax payer support through subsidies and tax breaks. Irony... Get used to this people, this is only going to be getting worse after the next election when they will have all their people in place and pass laws allowing t
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @09:27PM (#48975771)

    Meanwhile Lenovo, the PC business they sold off that moved into tablets and smartphones is doing really well. All of the same chinese factories and technologies are available to IBM that were available to Lenovo, only the management was different. One decided it couldn't make money on making actual computer stuff, the other went ahead and made actual computer stuff.

    One went a route of selling vague data mining services at high prices, a bit of patent trolling, and slow expensive lock-in mainframes. The other made stuff people want without the hard selling to dumb middle managers.

  • by rahvin112 ( 446269 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @09:35PM (#48975805)

    The speculation is that IBM is trying to push the dividend to a record level. In the process they may very well destroy the company. Because the only way to get the dividend to that level is to basically wipe out long term profits for a short term boost.

    That's probably the goal, the new MBA generation from the baby boomers is taking the point of view of taking every dime out of the company and giving it to the insiders even if it guts a major American corporation and hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost to China.

    It's funny but the CEO from the Movie Dick and Jane reminds me so much of these CEO's that are only out for themselves, yet he was supposed to be fictional.

    • IBM used to stand for International Business Machines. Now it apparently stands for "It's Been MBA'd."
    • Dividends go to people who own the stock. All your talk of insiders here doesn't really make any sense. If they decide IBM will no longer be profitable and it makes sense just to liquidate the company and have every last cent go into dividends, it still wouldn't benefit insiders, it would benefit stockholders, the owners of the company (and of course IBM is widely held). Bully for them.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Not insiders per se, but a (the?) primary compensation for senior executives is stock options, and there is a significant benefit for them if the stock prices does well, even at the expense of the company over the long term. Over the past few years IBM has been spending one billion dollars a month buying back shares. It would be interesting to see if the number of outstanding shares was reduced, or just redistributed as stock options (when I checked in 2012 it certainly appeared as if that was what was h

      • Officers of the company (i.e. insiders) would naturally want to exercise their options at the highest price possible. Increasing dividends makes the stock appear more attractive to institutional investors.

        When institutions buy, that increases the pressure for the price to go up (retail investors don't move a market cap like this, only the big boys do). When the price per share goes up then that's more money that the officers can collect when they exercise their free options; in this case it looks like all

    • by Macrat ( 638047 )

      That's probably the goal, the new MBA generation from the baby boomers....

      Sun Microsystems was madly hiring MBA's after the dot-com-bust to save the company.

  • Nobody will abuse a time off policy where there are no vacation days and time is taken as needed. If it is abused it can be addressed by the performance review process.

    I always understood how that will stop employees from abusing the "as needed" vacation policy.

    I never understood what will stop the employer from abusing it. Until now.

    • That's a terrible policy. There will always be a percentage that takes NO vacation that everyone else will be compared to. Giving generous vacation and forcing employees to take it is much better.

  • by raymorris ( 2726007 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @09:49PM (#48975881) Journal

    I'm sure many Slashdot readers will be directly affected by this, either being laid off themselves, surviving the layoffs only to go work in turmoil every day, or have their spouse or other loved one laid off. That's hard to deal with. Times will get better, of course, but it sure may not seem like it right now. Our hearts go out to you.

    • by ancientt ( 569920 ) <ancientt@yahoo.com> on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @10:10PM (#48976021) Homepage Journal

      Thank you for some perspective. I've been reading the other posts and I've been just a little disgusted by the entitlement attitude throughout. I've worked for a company that went under, worked for a division that was eliminated, worked for a company that couldn't pay me for a while and been fired for problems that weren't my fault (that's four different employers.) It sucks, but none of them owed me a job. I'm not owed a job even now when I feel I'm doing great work for the company that employs me.

      I was very close to writing a snarky post.

      Your comment reminded me how much it sucks to wonder how you're going to get by, what you're going to do to take care of your children and if you'll ever get back to where you were. IBM may need to do this; they've been slowly building to an implosion for decades. I'd love to have IBM come back. I root for companies that can come back from the brink of oblivion, like Yahoo is, like Microsoft is trying to and like Radio Shack has failed to manage. I hope that in ten years, when my children are telling me about how cool IBM is, I'll be able to say that there was a time it looked like they were doomed before they turned it around however painfully.

      To those who have to find new jobs, I add my heart goes out to you and I hope I get to work with you some day when we can both look back on this as a point when things started to get better.

      • Two thumbs up for GP and P.
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Well, when Big Blue laid me off in the big 2007 round, after 6 years in Global Services, and "training" my replacements in Brazil for my last 2 months, my reaction was "Free at last!" I went back, as a contractor, to the multinational UK-based company I left to go to IBM, and it has gone well since, right up to their current layoff round that I "volunteered" for to get a better severance package than I got from IBM as a segue to retirement - no games with a bad performance rating to screw me out of the se

  • Source??? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @09:51PM (#48975891)

    Where is this 100,000 number coming from? The linked article says 5,000 are documented, and then asserts without proof that the full number is/will be 100,000.

    Until there's more evidence, I don't believe the 100,000 number.

    What ever happened to skepticism (in the original, benign sense of the word) or critical thinking skills?

    (This is NOT an assertion that there will be substantially less than 100,000 layoffs. So please, no one claim I'm saying that.)

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Contract workers who were (historically) converted into permanent workers (that's how I got in, there was never any question about being an eventual permanent hire, I just had to pay my dues first) are now not getting their contracts renewed. A colleague of mine, same job as me, same hiring process as me, city about 5 hours away from me. His last day was last Friday. This won't show up as a layoff, but within the context of IBM culture, that's exactly what it is.

      Temps (that weren't really temps, unt

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @09:57PM (#48975931)

    IBM is just leveraging growth opportunities in the cloud to core competencies and strategic initiatives. They are executing a bold plan that will address urgent customer needs through CAMSS (Cloud, Analytics, Mobile, Social and Security). It is an exciting and prescient vision and a great time to be at IBM!

  • by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @09:58PM (#48975935)

    ... "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM equipment", but, apparently, *everybody* can get fired for working there.

  • by hawguy ( 1600213 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @10:05PM (#48975977)

    “I was included in the resource action in spite of consistently high performance numbers. I am the only woman in the work group and one of only a handful in the whole region. The male partners that were retained have crucial chummy drinking buddy relationships with their customers. The treatment and support of professional women, in spite of the window dressing at the top layers is appalling.”

    if the drinking buddy relationship is crucial and you haven't maintained said relationships, then don't you think that's why you're being fired? If you are unwilling to maintain this crucial customer relationship, why should you be retained? Is there some reason why women can't be good drinking buddies too?

    • Ask the AT&T sales guys they know where every strip club that takes amax is.

      • by hawguy ( 1600213 )

        Ask the AT&T sales guys they know where every strip club that takes amax is.

        Are you serious? I signed a $60K/year contract with AT&T and all I got was lunch - what do you have to do to get the strip club treatment?

    • While I am sure there are some good techs available because of this, IBM had a massive glut of crap people that you wouldn't want unless you were absolutely desperate, the last set of layoffs saw a heap of them turn up on our door looking for jobs and we turned away every single one of them as unqualified. Maybe they got rid of all the crap in the last round of layoffs, but somehow I doubt it.

  • by JoeyRox ( 2711699 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @11:19PM (#48976495)
    Now we know what happens to IBM employees when people stop buying IBM equipment.
  • The article says only 5,000 have been laid off, but "the rest are being laid off without being laid off." That sounds like hand-waving to me. I suspect the truth is somewhere in between the two numbers.

    • "the rest are being laid off without being laid off."

      Basically being fired, which doesn't count in their "Resource Action" numbers and doesn't cost them anything against their writeoff for it.

      From reading the IBM Endicott Alliance postings, they also get a 30 day notice but as a "PIP" Performance Improvement Plan notification which in 30 days results in termination. I don't know that there are as many of that as the actual layoffs but there were plenty of posts of people who got that notice. There was also

  • well (Score:2, Interesting)

    by superwiz ( 655733 )
    You can only expect people to buy the "most of world's data is stored on IBM mainframes" crap for so long. Virtualization made mainframes irrelevant. No one ever needed the full resources of a mainframe. They were only used to run multiple virtualized instances. The cloud made the difference between instances running on one piece vs instances running on multiple pieces of iron irrelevant because of cloud storage. You CAN compute a billion transactions in a day and then not use the hardware used for tho
    • by jafac ( 1449 )

      That said; IBM has made itself largely irrelevant now for at least the past 5 years, if not longer - especially after they sold their desktop and laptop business to Lenovo. They gambled on a core part of their business that was already dead, and sold off their best assets.

      Part of this was that. They didn't catch the wave of mobile computing.

      The other part of this is that; believe it or not, this economy is headed for a steep nose-dive. Again. I know most of us have felt that it never came out of the last

    • "You CAN compute a billion transactions in a day and then not use the hardware used for those calculations for the rest of the day now."

      I program large IBM midranges running multi-billion dollar companies for 25 years now and I've never seen this burst of calculations and then you're done for the day thing. We have lots of work going on all the time that keeps large computers busy.

      "Oh, and all the legacy code which is presumably irreplacable because no one understands it..."

      I understand it. So do thousands

  • For what it's worth, Cringely is still the only guy actually saying 26% (around 110,000). Most are pinning this at maybe 8,000 or so, even with the employee shuffling and bad performance reviews. It is certainly not likely that all 26% will be gone by 2/28 as Cringely specifically stated. Still not great that IBM is laying off, but they always lay off this time of year. The only reason this story got legs was because Cringely made up a huge number to get clicks.
    • Cringely just might be IBM's shill. After all, 50,000 wont look so bad now and you gotta love that they picked the name Project Chrome. It must be Google's fault! And ten years from now people might remember it that way. Guilt by association. They already call it "Getting Chromed" there.
  • Is it perhaps a little too optimistic to suggest that dismissed employees found a competing company to rival their former employer? If all these layoff are just to appease shareholders, that means IBM is not doing their job. They are now in the finance game, not the science game. We already have finance companies and they contribute very little to the economy. Perhaps IBM needs to get back to what they were put there in the first place. If not, then it is time to found a company that does.
  • 1/22/2015 @ 9:00AM
    To fix its business problems and speed up its “transformation,” next week about 26 percent of IBM’s employees will be getting phone calls from their managers.

    Updated on Jan. 27 with comment from IBM after fifth paragraph and on Jan. 26 at bottom of post.

    1/26/2015 @ 5:42PM
    How IBM Is Likely To Spin This Week's Force Reduction

    Another source told me the plan was to give the people notice before January 28th so they would be off the books by the end of February - one month.

    S

  • by allquixotic ( 1659805 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2015 @12:28PM (#48980903)

    If you work at a large tech or services company, rest assured that your top execs are scrambling right now to figure out how to emulate IBM's exploitation of the loophole that lets them lay off employees with the performance management system without technically laying them off.

    This is bad news for all US salaried job holders, but especially those in large enterprises with a lot of low-profit business. Even if the job you work is profitable in essence, these companies would gladly dump you in exchange for an H1-B or just replace you with higher-margin work. Even profitable, high-performance employees are on the chopping block nowadays in the quest for ever-increasing profits.

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