L.A. School Superintendent Folds on Laptops-For-Kids Program 139
In an announcement yesterday reported on by Ars Technica,
[Los Angeles school superintendent] Ramon C. Cortines said that the city can't afford to buy a computer for every student. The statement comes after intense controversy over a $1.3 billion initiative launched by Cortines' predecessor, former superintendent John Deasy, in which every student was supposed to be given an iPad loaded with content from educational publisher Pearson. (That controversy is worth reading about, and sparked an FBI investigation as well.)
iPad too fucking expensive (Score:5, Insightful)
Buy a Pi for every kid. Education is what the Pi is for.
Apple was the cheap option for schools 35 years ago, not now. Now they only sell trendy shit to snobs.
Re: iPad too fucking expensive (Score:2)
Yeah. I have seen magnate schools in the US do wonders with no technology. I think a lot of school administrators use technology as a distraction from actually making changes that will do some good: Changes in curriculums and teaching styles. But I guess it's easier and PC to spend lots of money - money equals success in the US - than to make meaningful changes.
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PC has better management tools and they don't have the app store only system that is build for end user use and not enterprise use.
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You are all missing the point here, the county cannot afford it, mind control works on people but not on the bottom line. Based upon the fact the California Lotto was accepted and implemented to fund the cost of education means there is obviously something wrong with that program.
Shitcan the lotto, or fix it.
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https://www.apple.com/iphone/b... [apple.com]
https://developer.apple.com/pr... [apple.com]
You're misinformed and wrong at the same time, that's a dangerous combination.
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You mean Harvard, Wharton, Kellogg and the like?
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Clearly, he means schools founded by magnates, like Carnegie Mellon University.
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Magnate schools - that might not be a bad idea: if we started training future CEOs in high school, we might end up with better quality executives.
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But US schools isn't all that bad are they?
I think the Swedish ones are ranking worse now.
Though I assume the huge difference there is the immigrant overload and somewhat natural consequences of that.
But I also wanted to suggest that possibly political correctness was what was taught in our schools rather than boring facts, logic and science.
(In reality hopefully that isn't much.)
Re:iPad too fucking expensive (Score:4)
Buy a Pi for every kid. Education is what the Pi is for.
The original initiative was not about learning to code or build electronic devices, it was about putting educational resources in kids hands in the hope that kids would use these resources to become smarter.
In my opinion, this is a misguided, technology is not the most efficient way to impart "The Three R's", classroom interaction with a human, as well as parents that support the idea of the importance of homework over xBox.
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as well as parents that support the idea of the importance of homework over xBox
Hard to be that parent when you're not there & you're working three jobs just to put Cheerios on the dinner table.
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While it's true that many parents made piss poor decisions in life (like having children they cannot properly raise), it's irrelevant to this topic.
That whooshing noise is you missing the point. The parents shouldn't have to work three jobs to put food on the table. Their absence in their children's lives is the result of the Haves screwing the Have-Nots on a living wage. Their kids don't have the guidance they need to help succeed in school, and can't compete in the real world -- which is already stacked against them when you have to have a $40,000 college diploma to get any decent job at all. Wonder if the three-job parents have money for their kids
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Three jobs to put Cheerios on the table? I don't know man, that's hard to understand. I remember hard times when I rolled pennies and cashed in aluminum cans to get gas money but I never had to worry about Cheerios. Steak and such was beyond my means but basic food for subsistence is pretty cheap. Pasta, rice, beans and cereal make it possible to get by even if it's not that great. What amazes me is how I see people complain about no money and they actually have internet and cable tv. I had a 12" blac
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If you are smart you can feed a family of four for at least 5 days on 30 bucks. Food is a necessity, cable tv is mindless drivel. Mind you I occasionally watch tv but not at the expense of anything I need. A Tracphone is a good bargain. If you don't blab all the time you can get by for months on a 20 dollar card. And if you're working 3 jobs you damn sure don't have time for a lot of entertainment. I remember sitting around playing card and board games with the kids in the evenings and it was fun. We
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That whooshing noise is you missing the point. The parents shouldn't have to work three jobs to put food on the table. Their absence in their children's lives is the result of the Haves screwing the Have-Nots on a living wage.
The Haves are the one who understand the difference between a job meant for part-time / high school / second earner employees, and those meant for breadwinners. Most Have-Nots probably understand this too, but who can fault them for trying to spin their situation in a way that makes someone else seem at fault for their plight?
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Whereas the superior intellect of bigfinger76 includes perfect knowledge of the future.
Re:iPad too fucking expensive (Score:4, Insightful)
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And it doesn't require superior intellect to work out that the factory where your father & grandfather did a fair day's work for a fair day's pay is going to shut the doors ten years down the road and fuck off to China.
It requires a crystal ball.
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Had the same job for 17 years. Pays close to 90k. I get 5 weeks of vacation a year, and in fact have a pension.
Where do I work?
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Had the same job for 17 years. Pays close to 90k. I get 5 weeks of vacation a year, and in fact have a pension.
Where do I work?
In one of the few union jobs left most likely. Some will be safe for another 50 years, but many of those union jobs won't last another 10-20 (just look at the number we have lost in the past few decades). Off-shoring destroyed many of our union jobs. Technology will get rid of many more, and legislation will help the government to get rid of the rest. Almost anyone under the age of 40 is kidding themselves if they think it isn't a large gamble counting on their union job and pension will still being there u
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Back around the year 1800 about 90% of the population was involved in agriculture. Today it is about 2%. Last I checked we do not have an 88% unemployment rate.
What you are professing is what is known as the "Lump of Labor" fallacy. It has been recognized as a fallacy for only a couple hundred years and it is amazing how otherwise intelligent people keep spewing economic gibberish.
Labor will be rearranged to other avenues
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No they haven't. Even 18 years ago things weren't as precarious as they are now.
That 18 years is a low estimate, by the way. If you have more than one it will be higher than that.
You talk like a non-parent. For the sake of humanity I hope you stay that way.
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Hard to be that parent when you're not there & you're working three jobs just to put Cheerios on the dinner table.
What you describe is certainly something that happens, but also certainly not the average or the norm. Get off your soap box.
In any case, there are two points that speak to this:
1. If you can not afford to have kids, spend time with your kids, nurture your kids, and make them do homework, don't have them.
2. You premise is bullshit, and I know it from personal experience. I know, it's "anecdotal evidence"... But, both my parents worked long hours. This did not prevent them from insisting that we do homework
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In my opinion, this is a misguided, technology is not the most efficient way to impart "The Three R's", classroom interaction with a human, as well as parents that support the idea of the importance of homework over xBox.
It may not be the best way, but it probably is the most efficient way in a world in which games consoles replace parental input. Turning education into video games is probably the most practical and inexpensive way to catch those lost kids.
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Re: iPad too fucking expensive (Score:5, Informative)
The problem wasn't the iPads - with edu discounts those things are cheap. The problem was the fact they went with Pearson - the mother of all rip-off scams. I think in this instance the 'software' came at a $1000+/student/school year price tag or something like that. They are the same people that cause a standardized test to come in at $1200.
Re: iPad too fucking expensive (Score:5, Informative)
As an author and editor who has had the dubious pleasure of dealing with Pearson on more than one occasion, I hereby verify that they suck.
Re: iPad too fucking expensive (Score:1)
I'm not sure where you get your numbers, but Apple doesnt give much of a discount for education. It's only a couple of dollars per device. I'm sure this big sale made some sales person's day, but Apple in general doesn't care if education buys its products or not.
Just look at how hostile to school environments Apples products have been. The ipads originally didn't even have a way for a school to manage them. iBooks came out with the idea that the school would keep rebuying the same text book year after
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Source: Local district IT, already seeing them give iPrices the finger, but not looking forward to endless hours of scut work that will result from deploying everyone's new chromebooks.
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Re:iPad too fucking expensive (Score:4, Informative)
A pi on its own is cheaper, but each student would need a display, keyboard/mouse, SD card, power supply, and presumably a usb wifi stick. If these devices are intended to be left at school, that's still not totally unreasonable and will clearly undercut the price of an ipad.. Certainly the educational capability is much higher, at least for students interested in engineering. But if they are intended to be taken home, they're just not suitable.
Something like a Chromebook could do the job, and still undercut the ipad cost... But if they want to lock these devices down, they'd have to buy the Education models (which also gets them other features such as no hassle replacement if one is broken), and those models cost more.
The scary part to me is the school's efforts to restrict what students can do with these devices, and allowing the school to track and monitor them. Your school's influence should end at the gate. We've already seen a case where a school passed out laptops to students and were then using the laptop's webcam to spy on those students at home. That was totally inappropriate just a few years ago, but now everyone is fine with assigning a pretty gps and internet tracking device to every child? Any smart parent would require their child to leave such a device in their locker, and never bring it home.
Re:iPad too fucking expensive (Score:4, Insightful)
Buy every kid a pad of paper, some pencils, and a slide rule...
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But that would actually make sense, and not line pockets! Can't have that...
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A leather case to put them in?
Re:iPad too fucking expensive (Score:4, Insightful)
Buy a Pi for every kid. Education is what the Pi is for.
A Pi is great for learning about computers and technology. A tablet is more useful when learning about general subjects, and has a more appropriate form factor, since they need to be carried home.
Tablets are not a bad idea for the classroom. They could replace the students physical books and eliminate a lot of paperwork. There are also significant educational advantages. Each tablet can carry a small library of books, not just a backpack-full. And data is easily cross-referenced - the definition of any word can be looked up in an instant just by holding your finger down on it, for instance. Hyperlinks to additional topics of interest (like in Wikipedia), reward curiosity and exploration. I've found such features be very helpful on my own e-reader.
But frankly, they'd need to come down in price quite a bit first, probably with low-end models that are more appropriate for mass distribution. Apple devices are decidedly high-end, and as such, aren't really the best choice for a mass market deployment. The devices don't need to be sexy. All they really need is large-screen color e-book readers, with just enough horsepower to show static text and images. The ability to surf the web is an unneeded distraction, not a benefit for these devices. Laptops can be made readily available for research purposes. I'm thinking something between the current generation of e-book readers and tablets would be ideal. Also, perhaps most importantly, the schools need the proper infrastructure, training, and management systems in place to take advantage of these devices - which is may be the hardest part.
It's really only a matter of time before this sort of thing happens on a large scale, but I just don't think we're quite there yet. I'm guessing that within a decade we'll hit a technological and economic sweet spot that will make it happen for real. I think the LA school district jumped the gun, and was focused on the wrong things that are important for actual learning.
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Tablets are a horrible replacement for books. Lets ignore the fact they have massive amounts of distractions built in. They're harder to read, worse for your eyes, run out of batteries, are harder to take notes on, and worst of all hard or impossible to skim. I own over a thousand books on my kindle, but almost 0 technical books. Its just not a good medium for it.
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I'm guessing you didn't make it to the third paragraph, or perhaps missed the gist of it. I actually agree with you.
What would be more useful than today's tablets is cheap, large-format color e-book reader that can comfortably and effectively display technical books, and I think it's important that they NOT be able to surf the web or run distracting apps. Until then, I don't think we're ready either.
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I agree with the Pi for education. This continuous drivel about Apple being for snobs though is silly. Apple is for people who are tired of the broken, crippled windows pc world. I know plenty of working class people using Apple systems because they got tired of dealing with the pc bullshit. No one likes to pay the toll to use Apple computers but eventually, if you don't have the drive to learn to use linux that's where a lot of people end up. I've heard more than one person tell me how they hated to p
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Apple is for people who are tired of the broken, crippled windows pc world.
...and are ready for the broken, crippled Apple PC world.
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I know you're kidding or ignorant. I've never seen an Apple come new out of the box clogged with bloatware so that you needed to go to "cleanmypeecee.com" right after you bought it. There's an entire ecosystem built on fixing the bullshit attached to the windows world. If you are a computer fix-it guy you have to absolutely love the hell out of Microsoft. A lot of people make a living fixing that broken shit. Maybe that's why all the peecee fixers out there hate Apple so much. No money to be made.
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However, at least two hours per day should be devoted to cursive writing skills development
I'm having a hard time thinking of a bigger waste of time than teaching cursive writing skills. I would rather them play Halo or just take a nap.
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It was dumb at first glace (Score:4, Insightful)
Its still dumb now. Just have good public access to computers for educational purposes (for all) and maybe a few set aside for people with specifically high enough permissions for programming and such. 95% or higher computer work in school is research, and everyone should absolutely have access to use it. Do kids need them at home? Nope, but it'd help. If a family is willing to get a cheap computer / tablet / etc. for their kid, that's their imperitive. But for those unable/unwilling to pay for a computer, they should still have access to materials. But assuming unlimited portability is more of a pipe dream unless you're footing the bill. My libraries have had computers for going on 2 decades now, and they've worked great for what they do, supply people with access to information.
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For home use a 5 or 6 year old laptop with a 2ghz or better core2duo processor can be had for around 100 dollars or less. These are more than sufficient for any educational needs. I've seen off lease Dell D630's for $100 and that's better than a brand new chromebook to me.
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There may have been a time when there was an Apple ][ in every class room. But there was never a time when there was an Apple ][ for EVERY student. That's the difference.
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There wasn't. Apple ]['s were deployed sparingly in most schools. Only the richest school districts with the dumbest of administration would put one in every classroom as a glorified toy.
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"Glorified toy?" You give those schools too much credit -- they'd put one computer in each classroom... and then the teacher would use it for email and nothing else (if he even used it at all).
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Email? Networks weren't used in schools back then and there would be no justification for dialup if a POTS jack was even nearby.
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In the example I was thinking of, the "one computer per classroom" thing didn't actually happen until almost 2000, when networking and email did exist.
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Rolling in his grave would be a pretty damn weird thing to do, him still being alive and all...
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Maybe he's pre-bought a grave plot. It doesn't seem like what he'd do, but I don't know him personally.
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My school had a few asian knockoffs of the apple as well.
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I knew somebody back in the day who had a Canadian knockoff of the Apple. I think it was an 'Orange Computer' branded unit. Apple ran outfits like that out of business. They weren't into cloning or open systems in the early days, either.
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Yeah ours was the Orange but I assumed it was from Taiwan or similar. The case was a simple steel rectangle. Nothing fancy and I thought at the time they had ripped off the firmware.
Technology is not an answer to education (Score:3, Informative)
Education, as needs to be done to make people fit for today's ever more complicated world, needs to be done in an individual, customized form that recognizes the learner and his/her personality. Anything else just lead to failure. In the absence of true/strong/real AI (and we are not going to get that in the next few decades and possibly not forever), this has to be done by qualified, motivated and talented teachers. There is no other way. Instead it is being done far too often by those left behind, but those lazy and by those that value conformity over everything else.
This "technology in education" issue is a diversion, nothing else. That includes computers for kids, teaching programming, etc.
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Education, as needs to be done to make people fit for today's ever more complicated world, needs to be done in an individual, customized form that recognizes the learner and his/her personality.
Show me the empirical data to back that up. Not a study, but a college, university or K-12 program where this has worked and continues to do so after more than one generation of students (four years for university, six years for K-12). One. Anywhere? If you say in Scandinavia (where that BS originated) think again. They've already found out the hard way that once implemented it fails like communism a few years later. Kids that need more help need additional assistance, that's why we have/had Special Needs c
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You seem to have wasted your 22 years in academia. Seriously, anybody with actual teaching experience and a mind that is awake sees immediately through your claims.
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The AC was thoughtful enough to offer a very literate respone to you, despite the fact that portions of your original post did not even parse. Counter the AC's assertions with something better than your implied "I think I'm special, so anything that doesn't reinforce that notion for me is bad" or GTFO.
textbooks cost money (Score:3)
If we assume that students still need textbooks, giving those textbooks on an iPad or similar device can be cost efficient. If the student buys a keyboard, the iPad can do much of what they student would do on a regular computer. One can even teach the basics of programming or web development on the iPad, if there is a server running somewhere they can telnet to.
Of course the iPad is different from a book because the iPad is worth real hard cash, and the market for stolen iPads is robust. That is a hard problem to solve. It is the same problem with calculators. Students steal them and sell them.
At some point education will enter the 21st century and kids will have computers, and we will just each the cost of stolen machines. If we are to have a trained workforce, kids need to learn to use computers as tools, and that requires an acquaintance with them. We have not had a powered machine quite like the computer. The closest thing would be the car, but the car is not a general work device.
The biggest problem to educating our children is the idea that 'they don't need a computer'. I am fortunate in that in the 80's my family did not believe that. If they did I would be as ignorant and underemployed as so many who graduated in the last century are.
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If costs for books are a real factor, everything is lost anyways. And no, they do indeed not need their own computer. Access in a library or the like is quite enough. Computers themselves teach you almost nothing and anybody with a reasonable education can use them after a short time.
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Back in the day, kids were given textbooks. Six classes of textbooks cost $600-$800. They get lost, damaged, and cost a fair amount of money to keep up with.
So the proposal is to buy each of the students an ipad, so the cost is $600 times the number of students PLUS the $600-$800 because as we know, the cost of an ebook is the same as the physical book (sometimes even higher). And now you have a piece of electronics floating around that is going to get lost or stolen, and the parents will have to pay $600 for it, as opposed to if a book gets lost or stolen, the parent only has to pay $30 or so. Add to that that an ebook is not reader friendly, and it seems like
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Bullshit.
Back in the day the textbooks were not updated yearly, they were owned by the school, and they lasted for 4 or 5 years MINIMUM on average.
They cost the schools significantly less than that also, as they were a negotiated bulk purchase.
NOW the 'etexts' they ARE re-selling zero-cost items to each and every student who comes along, complete with DRM and kills them.
The biggest problem to educating our children is the idea that 'they do need a computer' as that has become a crutch to teachers who are la
Pearson: No profit left behind (Score:5, Interesting)
No profit left behind [politico.com]: Across the country, Pearson sold the Los Angeles Unified School District an online curriculum that it described as revolutionary - but that had not yet been completed, much less tested across a large district, before the LAUSD agreed to spend an estimated $135 million on it. Teachers dislike the Pearson lessons and rarely use them, an independent evaluation found.
Just throwing computers at kids isn't a good idea (Score:5, Insightful)
I have 2 kids, one who is ready to hit kindergarten next year. From my extremely limited parenting experience, it seems to me that just putting computers in the classroom or in students' hands isn't going to fix long standing education problems. This (in my opinion) goes double for locked down tablets like the iPad.
I'm actually not pushing computers, tablets or other electronic stuff too much on the kids. There are so many fundamentals to work on (reading, numbers, vocabulary, learning to act like a normal human) that electronics can't solve or make worse. They watch movies, watch a little too much YouTube for my taste, and play a couple of educational games. The older one knows a little about navigating around the computer, and of course every kid knows how to use an iPad/iPhone. Ask me in 14 years whether I screwed them up too badly, but it's working out pretty well just reading to them. playing with them, answering all of the 29 million 4 year old questions they have, etc.
Computers can't fix the real problems -- crappy parents, crappy home situations, low pay and low respect for teachers, etc. Every kid should be computer literate...not just phones and tablets, but able to use an office suite, look stuff up, etc. If they express an interest in coding or IT, great -- but the fundamentals of logic and scientific reasoning should take precedence. It's no reason to dump a computer or tablet into a kid's hands without a good curriculum to back it up. And from the article, it sounds like Pearson just sold the LA school district a bunch of slideware.
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You have that right. With the exception of CS types (like me) anybody with an active mind and a solid education can use computers with a very short learning period. As to using office software, that is not complicated. A one week course is quite enough to get the basics. The important things, like reading and writing with a strong focus on what the text said and what you want to express, are however critical and more so in a world where more communication goes via the written word than ever.
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You have that right. With the exception of CS types (like me) anybody with an active mind and a solid education can use computers with a very short learning period.
So what's wrong with you CS types, anyway? As an IT worker I have commonly noted that programmers don't know which side of the computer is up.
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I am not a "programmer", so I would not know from the inside. I do create high-quality software from time to time though, and do the occasional code-review.
My take is that about 90% of programmers have no business being in that field due to lack of talent, insight, passion and general incompetence. Many might have thought this was an easy lunch-ticket, but the central problem I see is that "business" people do not get at all that it requires significant skills and education to create good software and hence
Technology crosses levels... train as such... (Score:2)
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Its likely the goal of this was not to train the students on technology at all, the goal was likely to distribute textbooks in Pearson's DRM format.
Not "likely". Certain. In both cases.
That's OK (Score:2)
...now that Apple and Pearson's got the money.
Looks like they need a new project somewhere else.
The primary advantage of not planning .... (Score:3, Insightful)
is that failure comes as a complete surprise, and is not preceeded by a period of foreboding or woe.
Introducing change, at a large scale, into any large system, without a well thought out, holistic plan is going to, at best, be sub-optimal, and very likely fail.
It is very likely, that the driver for this was to achieve lock-in to Pearson Education's electronic textbooks, with a strong side effect of "hey look at me, shiny thing" from the senior leadership. (iPads are the lowest cost platform that Pearson's DRM textbook system - they call it "eText" - can be deployed on). It is possible, that also they were simply recommending Apple devices, to use Apple's brand to draw attention away from the relationship between the deputy superintendent, and Pearson, where they were previously a VP.
Are iPads a great educational tool ? Hell yes. If you plan for how they will be used, and you have the right sets of software on them, and if you develop the teachers to be able to use them. Otherwise its basically giving laser rifles to cavemen.. Apple's Education sales team has significant resources, including lots of teacher training, but also IT staff training, that they make available to customers. The fact that the LAUSD program didn't make much, if any use of this, suggests that LAUSD senior management weren't really interested in the educational outcomes, but rather the publicity.
Are they just a consumption device ? Not by any means at all, and "you need a physical keyboard to produce information" is a largely, bullshit argument made by vendors who make devices with hardware keyboards. Here's a hint : "content creation" does not always equal "lots of typing". There are many forms of content creation where typing is a peripheral activity, that have real educational value, and help students express in more ways than how many WPM they can achieve on a keyboard.
Should students only have access to a single vendor ? It depends on what functions you are trying to accomplish, but usually no. There are economies of scale in having a single platform for certain functions . But when you get to the area of "we want to teach kids about technology" then absolutely not - there should be iPads, Macs, Android, Linux machines, Windows machines, Rasberry Pi's, 3 D printers, etc etc etc. We wouldn't teach children "English" as a subject, and then only make them read Harry Potter, or only make them read Harold Robbins.
Did LAUSD screw up ? Hell yes. At many levels, from the lack of teacher development effort - i.e. teaching the teachers how to use the tools; lack of infrastructure like Wi-fi networks, content management systems etc ; technical ineptitude over issues like use of ActiveSync as a "device management" protocol (FFS - ActiveSync is opt-in/opt-out by the end user, and the server believes everything the device tells it - it is totally unsuitable for an educational environment as a management tool. The ridiculous thing is that Apple HAS stuff that largely works in this space, mostly pretty well - Device Enrolment Program to completely configure devices over the air, supervision to shift the breadth & depth of policy controls from a BYOD style scope to greater depth & breadth, mandatory, non-removable mobile device management, restricted iTunes accounts for under 13's, and LAUSD appears to have chosen to ignore what was sitting on the shelf ready for them to use)
Note that this kind of ineptitude isn't unusual at large scale in the education system - Australia had a state education department deploy half a million netbooks running Windows into schools in another "computer for every student" deployment a few years before this and it also was an epic disaster - perhaps without quite the same whiff of corrupt behaviour by senior management, but it was epically mismanaged and failed to address almost all of the infrastructure and teacher development aspects that LAUSD also failed at.
Change at this scale is hard and there are many moving parts. Very few educational systems , anywhere in t
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Are they just a consumption device ? Not by any means at all, and "you need a physical keyboard to produce information" is a largely, bullshit argument made by vendors who make devices with hardware keyboards. Here's a hint : "content creation" does not always equal "lots of typing". There are many forms of content creation where typing is a peripheral activity, that have real educational value, and help students express in more ways than how many WPM they can achieve on a keyboard.
What a ludicrous assertio
1.3 billion (Score:2)
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You're thinking of the price of a Chromebook or an inexpensive Windows laptop. The fruity tablets always cost more. They're the Buick of computers (fans claim they're the BMW, but they're the Buick, believe me)
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The road... (Score:2)
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Assuming there were any good intentions seems awfully hasty...
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The intentions behind stupidity aren't all that important. I'll call scrapping this program a win for the kids. There may be a valid technical solution to some problems in education, but iPads, conventional laptops or any device + Pearson is not the right solution. Technology won't solve teaching to the test and it won't stop schools from pushing to much of the work off to homework when they could do more with the classroom time. Very little percentage of education is well suited to education software and m
It was basically a pork project (Score:3)
It was primarily designed to funnel money into Apple and Pearson's coffers or facilitate tax writeoffs from said companies that would be at least as lucrative.
Future teacher, and I still yet to see good use... (Score:2)
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What a complete load of bull. I can only assume you are trying to promote some new form of computer assistance down the throats of educators at a huge profit margin (but of course 'for the good of the children').
There is NO real hardware difference between the usage cases you outlined. AND IT DOESNT MATTER ANYWAY.
Because technology is not actually needed in education! There is pretty much 0 research showing any real learning advantage to it, there is a TON of research showing that it detracts from the learn
Yawn.... (Score:2)
Why iPad? (Score:3)
Give the kids iPads and they will just run Angry Birds all day. What ever happened to OLPC?