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Ten US Senators Seek Investigation Into the Replacement of US Tech Workers 407

dcblogs notes this story about a bipartisan group of U.S. senators that has asked for an investigation into whether companies are firing American workers and replacing them with foreign workers for the sake of cutting costs. "Ten U.S. senators, representing the political spectrum, are seeking a federal investigation into displacement of IT workers by H-1B-using contractors. They are asking the U.S. Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security and the Labor Department to investigate the use of the H-1B program "to replace large numbers of American workers" at Southern California Edison (SCE) and other employers. The letter to Attorney General Eric Holder and the secretaries of the two other departments, was signed by U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which has oversight over the Justice Department. The other signers are Sens. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), a longtime ally of Grassley on H-1B issues; Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), David Vitter (R-La.), Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), Bill Cassidy (R-La.), Bernard Sanders (I-Vt.), James Inhofe (R-Okla.). Neither California senator signed on. "Southern California Edison ought to be the tipping point that finally compels Washington to take needed actions to protect American workers," Sessions said. Five hundred IT workers at SCE were cut, and many had to train their replacements."
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Ten US Senators Seek Investigation Into the Replacement of US Tech Workers

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  • by plopez ( 54068 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @07:33PM (#49443037) Journal

    They could be serious.

    • by TheGratefulNet ( 143330 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @07:40PM (#49443067)

      if they would only realize that by making US employment of americans stronger, we will be able to AFFORD to buy the toys that our very companies are making (toys being used in the very general sense).

      what will happen to all those who came or want to come to the US? well, this will force their own countries to deal with their own problems instead of the 'I cant fix my own country, so I'll just go to the US, instead' mentality. if mobility was a bit more limited, people in their own countries would have to deal with and fix their own problems. that's a win/win for everyone.

      by allowing cheap labor to displace US workers, its lose/lose. nothing in india (and we all know, india is the #1 source of h1b tech workers) will get better if their 'top talent' all moves here for jobs; and the US struggles to keep its own people employed.

      we have let the ceo's ruin our economy for decades! their selfishness has stunted the entire US economy for all but the one percenters.

      then again, congress is all about the one percenters and so, expecting a fix from those who can't even SEE the problem is a bit overly optimistic.

      • by kheldan ( 1460303 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @07:52PM (#49443137) Journal
        This. This times ONE MILLION. Why are we not investing in the education of Americans so they can be the 'replacement workers'? Why are we not promoting our own population rather than bringing in foreigners who will likely send all that money overseas? What the actual fuck? Are they TRYING to destroy the country!?
        • by Dracos ( 107777 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @08:14PM (#49443245)

          Because the corporations, in all their greedy shortsightedness, can hire the replacement workers cheaper, with the side effect of gaining the illusion of ethnic diversity in their workforce.


          • by TheGratefulNet ( 143330 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @08:33PM (#49443343)

            ethnic diversity?

            have you walked the hallways of companies that hire 'a lot' of h1b's?

            come visit the bay area. take a tour of any random cisco building, for example. just go into their cafeteria. or pick another well known tech company in the bay area. go walk their hallways. listen to the languages you hear there.

            come back and tell me about diversity.

            ok, you have a point. you can hear mandarin, cantonese, hindi and at least 10 other indian dialects. and so, yes, there's a KIND of diversity in tech, these days, in so-called US companies...

        • by Anonymous Coward

          American here, Missouri resident. Let me explain something about what an American is, we are all immigrants, even the original natives. We (or are ancestors) all came here for opportunity, be that freedom, economic or other.

          When you talk about 'us' you're talking about people who came here for the same basic reason as those you call 'them'.

          I say come one, come all. Give us your poor, your weak and your down trodden. It is from that same pool that we have made this nation strong and prosperous.

          Do you know wh

          • by TheGratefulNet ( 143330 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @09:54PM (#49443749)

            after you unwrap yourself from the flag, I'll tell you the real story.

            the real story is: what applied back in the turn of the century does not apply any longer. lots of reasons, we can list them but I'm sure you agree that what made sense (letting tons of people in) does not, any more.

            WHY are we obligated to solve the world's problems and give everyone in the world the same rights as people who have a lot invested and who plan to live here long-term.

            see, that's one thing your little jingoistic story leaves out. the ellis island folks, by and large, did not plan to move here for a short stay, make a lot of money and return home. they were INVESTED here, they eventually learned the language and merged in. that was then.

            what we have now is a 'grab, take, return home' situation. we don't give these folks citizenship. look, if they are valuable, give them citizenship and let them be like the rest of us! let them live with the long-term results of what we all are going to face. if you come to shit in my country, take what's good and then leave, do you think people will want to like you?

            we don't give citizenship, really; we give h1b. 'temp work permits'. in that, its nothing like ellis island days. nothing AT ALL.

            stop playing star spangled banner and smell the real coffee. what worked 100 years ago is not applicable now. the workforce is too crowded, the unemployment is sky high and we are borderline on depression, again and again. is that a time you think of as a 'work surplus' era? I sure don't! if you have no surplus, you have no right giving out jobs to people who are not as invested as those who were born and raised here.

            and yes, I do think that being born in a country and raised there DOES give you more rights over those who just moved in. try moving to germany or france or austria or switzerland or probably most other european countries and trying to be 'a citizen'. in some places, if you were not born there, you'll NEVER be one of them. jobs won't go to you first, etc etc. why do we have to import the word's labor force - especially when our own people are being routinely refused a living wage in the field they are WELL qualified to work in.

            • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
              Why does it not work? Even the Irish and Chinese railroad workers were made citizens. We brought in temp workers, and kept them. Africa first, others later. All were made citizens (and yes, slaves were citizens, just not free ones). We've always had a love-hate relationship with workers, but, until recently, were happy to make them citizens.
              • by gbjbaanb ( 229885 ) on Friday April 10, 2015 @07:47AM (#49445221)

                partly population concerns - while Amwerica is a big, wide, empty country you all want to live in very crowded little communities. Increasing immigration causes more pressure on those communities for things like housing and traffic.

                Then there's the economic issue, while the wild west had no social care benefits, today you have many. So every new immigrant either has no job and gets benefits, or has a job and pays his own way but helps to displace another worker who then ends up on benefits.

                In the UK we see this a lot, while immigration has increased dramatically, the number of jobs has increased relatively slowly, so we have 6 million immigrants but 2 million unemployed. Our health and education systems have not been funded accordingly though, and are showing signs of collapse. Hence, immigration is a good thing, but only to a point - not as an unlimited influx.

                Its probably entirely linked to the rate of immigration overall, in the old days when we had few immigrants being drip-fed into the system things were OK, now we have a flood people are getting concerned.

              • by RabidReindeer ( 2625839 ) on Friday April 10, 2015 @09:33AM (#49445787)

                Why does it not work? Even the Irish and Chinese railroad workers were made citizens. We brought in temp workers, and kept them. Africa first, others later. All were made citizens (and yes, slaves were citizens, just not free ones). We've always had a love-hate relationship with workers, but, until recently, were happy to make them citizens.

                That's the point, though. All the asians I know of who are citizens didn't become citizens via H1-B, they did it on our own.

                Yes, my state - and probably yours - is full of towns whose names and history reflect the fact that someone brought over people en-masse from some other town, village or country primarily to serve as cheap - and frequently semi-captive labor. That's not even touching the importation of slaves from Africa.

                And those people often brought financial hurt to established citizens because they were easier to control and to keep under low wages.

                But they were nevertheless brought in as permanent residents with citizenship rights - even the slaves, allowing for differences in who got what "citizenship rights".

                The H1-B program was specifically designed to bring in temporary immigrants, not people who'd eventually grow to become a permanent part of the tax-paying populace and even to demand competitive wages instead of exploitative ones.

            • The difference is not in the attitudes of the people that come here. The difference is in us. We used to let people stay and now we send them home after they get their education or their contract runs out. It's the dumbest possible move on our part. Once we have invested in educating or training someone productive we should encourage that person to stay, not send him or her home.

            • what we have now is a 'grab, take, return home' situation

              It's called 'remittance', and it's a huge massive BFD that hardly anyone is talking about. Please take a look at this map and stats in the following link. THAT is where US dollars are flowing.


        • by s.petry ( 762400 )

          Are they TRYING to destroy the country!?

          Why yes they are, at least a few of the people in the US. You only need to look at the tip top of wealth holders and read their biographies to find the answer to that question. I know, it's hard to take them at their word but read what David D. Rockafeller says:

          Some even believe we [Rockefeller family] are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - One World, if you will.If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it

          Read Carol Quigley's "Tragedy and Hope", it has more of the answers.

        • by Chris Katko ( 2923353 ) on Friday April 10, 2015 @12:08AM (#49444161)
          Because you can't use fear-mongering to get your two parties consistently re-elected if your voters are fucking smart.

          For example, does anybody really think conservatives want to ban abortion? Why get rid of your best ticket to office when you can make some lame-ass attempt to ban it, have it struck down, and then blame the "liberal agenda" and "liberal courts" further reinforcing their voter base.

          And don't you dare think liberals are any better.

          It's pretty damn coincidental, don't you think, that a Clinton or Bush has been in the White House every year going all the way back to 1971. Bush senior was president, vice president, ambassador to the UN, and Director of the fucking CIA--arguably the worlds most powerful organization ever. They've outright admitted to overthrowing other governments and we're stupid enough to think they wouldn't try their tactics in the USA?

          How did Obama's platform of government transparency work out? Does anything really believe he intended to be transparent and then just magically changed his mind 180 degrees, and then went on to increase all of the Bush Era spying? He either lied outright, or was magically forced to change his opinion. Either way, it's a complete fuck up.
        • by AK Marc ( 707885 ) on Friday April 10, 2015 @01:05AM (#49444293)

          Are they TRYING to destroy the country!?

          Yes. They are. They are doing the economic equivalent of selling-short. When the US crashes, they will profit. Better for the US (and the world) would be to open the borders, and effectively declare that anyone in the world can be a US citizen, if they so wish. That's how it was when the country was founded.

          Anyone here on 4, July 1776 was a citizen, by default. Amnesty for all. But now, the "conservatives" hate everything the founding fathers did.

          • by ph1ll ( 587130 )

            "Anyone here on 4, July 1776 was a citizen, by default."

            Really? The slaves became citizens?

            (America was and always has been based on exploiting cheap labor. I'm not a commie, I just think there is a balance and America doesn't have it.)

        • Why are we not investing in the education of Americans so they can be the 'replacement workers'?

          Part of the perfect lie that is STEM is that only a few people need training to perform manufacturing tasks. And for those few that do need some additional skills on the job training works great. Apprenticeships are alive and well in China. It does not take much looking under the rug to see the dirt, and it's everywhere. When Apple was making the first version of their iphone over in China at Foxcon they were hiring workers on a daily basis straight off from the rural farms. They were not turning anyone aw

        • Because they are trying to destroy your jobs, not their own.

          The day that the H1B programme also applies to MBAs and Managers is the day that corporations stop using H1Bs.

      • But but but (Score:5, Insightful)

        by abulafia ( 7826 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @08:12PM (#49443237)
        The dead hand of government interfering with private contracts between adults is un-American.

        Just ask John Galt.

        Or most slash-dotters who rant about unions.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        But you still want to sell to those countries, I'm guessing. So you're for free movement of goods, but not of people. Gotcha.

        It's incorrect to say that the home countries of H1-Bs don't benefit. In the first place, a lot of people send money home to their families. In the second place, a lot of those workers will eventually go home, taking with them the skills and experience they've gained in the USA, to the benefit of their own countries.

        Don't get me wrong, I understand that you have a problem with H1-Bs,

        • by Tailhook ( 98486 )

          It's incorrect to say that the home countries of H1-Bs don't benefit. In the first place, a lot of people send money home to their families.

          Trading your energetic youth for subsistence income is a benefit? I guess that's why Mexico is no longer a kleptocratic hell-hole where cartels no longer slaughter students en-masse after the police round up their victims for them.

          Oh. Wait...

  • Utilities are renowned for being dysfunctional political quagmires that are deserts of innovation - my wife worked at one for a few years and hoooo boy, the stories she could tell. Frankly, this is probably a *boost* to those US engineers' careers.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    10 major shareholders representing 40% of open an investigation into why the company still has American workers and hasn't fired them and replaced them with foreign workers to cut costs.

  • research how they layer themselves from defacto worker lawsuits with shell contractor companies... []
  • About time. (Score:4, Informative)

    by roc97007 ( 608802 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @07:45PM (#49443095) Journal

    I don't have the visibility to say whether this is endemic, but I observer that a manager in my own organization stated openly not long ago that H-1B would get preference in new hires or backfill hires for budgetary purposes. And he has been as good as his word. About half the organization is now made up of foreign contractors, and the percentage is growing.

    • by penix1 ( 722987 )

      Five hundred IT workers at SCE were cut, and many had to train their replacements.

      It is at this point that I would tell them to piss up a rope and suck on the dry end until it was wet...

      It just adds insult to injury to expect a person you tell you are firing that they have to train their replacement. If forced by contract I would do the bare minimum required by the contract. Nothing compels me to divulge everything. They are, after all, supposed to be qualified for the job right?

      • Re:About time. (Score:5, Interesting)

        by roc97007 ( 608802 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @08:24PM (#49443311) Journal

        When a company I worked for outsourced IT, they required all displaced employees to document their jobs to the extent that offshore operators could do them.

        it seems to me that this makes three, shall we say, outrageously optimistic assumptions: (1) that untrained operators can do the job based entirely on looking up solutions, (2) that IT jobs can be entirely quantized into a reasonable number of procedures, and (3) that displaced employees would be sufficiently motivated to document their jobs to the degree necessary that operators could do them.

        A side assumption, equally optimistic, is that managers have enough savvy to tell whether displaced employees have done a good job documenting the work they do, or are just having them on.

        So, cutover happens -- and the lights go out.

        ...and the outsourcing company's excuse is invariably that the outgoing employees didn't document their jobs well enough (probably true, see (2) and (3) above) but entirely ignores the hard reality (see (1) above) that you really can't buy competent help for three rupees a day.

        But we saved a lot of money.

        • If anyone ever figures out how to "document" experience and hands-on skills, I think they'd be the next Bill Gates.
          • If anyone ever figures out how to "document" experience and hands-on skills, I think they'd be the next Bill Gates.

            And that's the real issue -- the misconception that IT jobs are just a matter of pushing this button when that light goes on, and doesn't require education, experience, and diagnostic skills.

            And then, when that doesn't work, this develops into the misconception that you can have former taxi drivers in your first and second level support, and a few high achievers in your third level support to handle everything that they don't. And this turns into a few third level admins doing the work of twenty while the

      • What I did when I was in a similar, (not exactly the same), position, was tell the boss "sure, no problem" then tell the replacement guy either nothing, or bullshit, then when the boss wanted to know why he couldn't do the job yet, I would say "I've already shown him how to do that". By the time they figured it out my notice was up and I left. It really helped that the replacement was Indian and really poorly educated. He claimed to speak three languages as well as English, (which was probably true), but if
  • by gabrieltss ( 64078 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @07:48PM (#49443111)

    of the bill. They are complaining yet still signed on to support increasing the H1-B's. That tells me this is all smoke and mirrors. When will Americans realize they need to vote out every one of these bastards. Clean house - no one gets to keep their job.

    • Not everything is IT. Not all H1-B's work in IT. I personally have no issue with an increase in the number of H1-B's as long at the government is actually enforcing the law. If a US citizen is fired and replaced with an H1-B that is direct evidence the law has been broken. There needs to be HARSH penalties to the companies breaking the law, on the order of 3x the amount they "saved" in salaries and compounded at prime +1% interest from the day it happened. The company should also be liable to lawsuit from i

    • Gerrymandering + unlimited money in politics means we're pretty screwed. The corps realized early on they just had to buy off _all_ the local elections to win the country. We'd need to change our entire political system, but we have too many divisive issues (Abortion, Gay Rights, Gun Control) to get anything like that off the ground.
  • I remember when I had to train my replacement. After a couple of days, he never came back.
  • Good luck (Score:4, Informative)

    by erp_consultant ( 2614861 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @07:54PM (#49443147)

    It's standard to get ex-employees to sign agreements agreeing to keep their mouth shut in return for severance packages.

  • by srichard25 ( 221590 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @07:58PM (#49443165)

    I believe this is just political posturing before they sign the bill to substantially increase the number of H1Bs. Now they can say that they "attempted" to punish companies who violate the rules of the H1B program.

    From TFA:
    "This letter is a significant development in this contentious issue. It arrives at the same time that lawmakers are pushing a substantial increase in H-1B visas under the I-Squared bill, legislation that would raise the H-1B cap. Two of the co-sponsors of the I-Squared bill also signed the letter asking for an investigation into H-1B program practices."

  • don't tie the job to H-1B and or have a high min wage with forced OT pay.

    have the min wage start at 80K+COL with OT at 40 hours and X2 OT at 60 hours and X3 OT at 80 hours.

  • by supernova87a ( 532540 ) < minus language> on Thursday April 09, 2015 @08:35PM (#49443353)
    Aside from the normal arguments about a shortage of workers *at what offered wage level* etc, etc., the more interesting question here is a question of demographics.

    When the world offers you endless numbers of reasonably well-trained workers who can fill your job openings at 1/2 the cost of US workers, what is a country to do? How long can a country resist that pressure? We may politically shout for better wages and training for US citizens to fill these jobs, but the deeper issue is that borders/barriers are less and less effective lately against a flood of competition from people who are cheaper and better (or hungrier).

    Americans I believe will have to come to grips with the possibility of a stagnant or even decreasing standard of living as the rest of the world takes what was once our position. No amount of restriction of H-1B visas will prevent that.
    • by rcase5 ( 3781471 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @09:34PM (#49443645)

      I don't buy that. Much of the innovation that occurs in the technology originates here in the United States. The only reason we're seeing this "competition" from the rest of the world is technology execs (mostly American) see a way to do much of the same work for less money. So they're simply taking advantage of what they see is a relatively cheap international labor market.

      The problem with this is, if we keep giving away the store like we are now, innovation will start happening more and more in other countries, and less and less here. What American tech execs don't realize is, with innovation occurring outside the United States, they'll be less call for their services as well. Then they'll be the ones crying poor mouth because they no longer have their cushy jobs and vacation homes around the world. The irony will be is that they did it to themselves.

      It's standard American business practice to do things as cheaply as possible without regard to the consequences. So while American business "eats it's own tail", to to speak, there will be less and less to go around. Then, we'll be the third-world country, and countries where we once shopped for cheap tech labor will be shopping for cheap labor here. I don't see this happening for a good long while, but it will happen eventually if we aren't careful. The point is it doesn't have to happen at all.

      Some more food for thought: H1-B Visas are issued by the United States Government. The U.S. Government is supposed to represent the interests of the American people. We need to make our voices heard to our representatives. If our representatives don't act the way we want, then we need to replace them with representatives who will. We do not have to accept a lower standard of living if we don't want to. If we do, then it's our own fault!

      • The problem is that there isn't a single American company responsible for all innovation so everyone is trapped in this giant prisoner's dilemma where any company that does outsource gets a temporary competitive advantage and any company that drags its heels for too long on the issue isn't likely to remain in business because the other companies can drop their prices in response to reduced labor costs.

        The only solution is to get even better at innovation to the point where it elevates the rest of the wor
    • by Uberbah ( 647458 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @10:18PM (#49443833)

      When the world offers you endless numbers of reasonably well-trained workers who can fill your job openings at 1/2 the cost of US workers, what is a country to do? How long can a country resist that pressure?

      Uh, don't you have this backwards? How long can a country deliberately eviscerate it's working class and expect to remain stable? On the one hand, a working stiff is supposed to amass 5-6 figures in student loans for a top degree, but then have to compete with third world labor?

      We may politically shout for better wages and training for US citizens to fill these jobs, but the deeper issue is that borders/barriers are less and less effective lately against a flood of competition from people who are cheaper and better (or hungrier).

      Which is why Germany produces twice as many cars as the United States while it's workers are getting paid twice as much. You seem to think that this race-to-the-bottom is the natural order of things, rather than deliberate policy purchased by monied interests.

      H1-B is about expanding the labor pool, not because of a shortage of labor, but to force down prevailing wages for the benefit of corporate employers.

    • What I find funny here (and on other tech sites) is that up until the moment you talk about H1B, everybody's all for opening up the borders and easing up on illegal immigration. It's all lovey-dovey "let's make them legal so they can pay their taxes" up until the point when they're actually legal and competing for the same jobs as the prevailent occupation as the community. But suddenly, as soon as the topic switches to H1B, it's a chorus of "don't let them in, they're stealing out jobs!"

      From my experience

    • borders/barriers are less and less effective lately against a flood of competition from people who are cheaper and better (or hungrier).

      Only because those borders are as porous as can be for corporations and what they desire, for you and me they are quite well sealed. And the notion that they're "better" is illusory. Having worked for several years with one outsourcing firm, I know the crap they churn out and their utter inability to move fast enough to get the job done. If you want it done right, or at all

  • by Anonymous Coward

    is the reduction of intellectual strength and tech development from foreign countries. If you can gather 100 000 highly educated and motivated people from foreign countries every year, and bring them into the U.S, then it's a "win" because these people's efforts will benefit the U.S instead of their home countries. This may displace Americans and put them in lower paid jobs, but that's not as urgent as the fight against the rest of the world. The people at the top of government wants all tech development to

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by rcase5 ( 3781471 )

      Yeah, but this cuts both ways. If those international workers choose to return to their home countries, they could easily start innovating at home. Then all that time, energy, and experience that they gained here in the United States now becomes a strength in that worker's home country. I suspect this will be the trend, and the United States could very quickly lose it's edge in international innovation.

    • I think the opposite could be argued, also. Once they go home, they take their years of training/skills with them, and we lose the benefit of their experience.

  • It's not all surprising that neither Boxer or Feinstein signed on to this investigation, if indeed this is what it turns out to be (I share the skepticism that this is for real at all). Boxer is retiring at the end of her term in 2017, and Feinstein has always been a closet Republican. In any event, both Senators know who butters their bread, and that's Silicon Valley; perhaps the largest users (and abusers?) of the H1-B Visa program. They are also both from the Bay Area.
    • "Feinstein has always been a closet Republican"

      Come again?

      • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

        I suspect the GP is confused by what many of us perceive as an authoritarian leaning on her part. Similar leanings tend to be more prevalent in the Republican party, but unfortunately aren't rare in the Democratic party.

  • we can only stop the mass immigration invasion of cheap foreign labor when we realize that the plutocrats/corporations have been molding the minds of young americans via the educational curriculum using anti-white race-guilt propaganda. They tell young and impressionable whites that racism is the ultimate evil, and that being against the foreign invasion of third worlders is racist. Stop the multiculti indoctrination of edupropaganda --that is the first step.
  • by Greyfox ( 87712 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @09:25PM (#49443595) Homepage Journal
    Have the local IT union hold the H1B. They can make sure the H1B's wages are exactly the same as anyone else's and if the H1B guy doesn't like the company, the union can place him somewhere else.

    Also: Create a local IT union. Seriously. You people keep complaining that you're getting fucked and fucked and fucked and yet the moment someone suggests creating a union... well... comments to follow.

  • by nomad63 ( 686331 ) on Thursday April 09, 2015 @09:35PM (#49443655)
    For US: tech workers will suffer from unemployment or suppressed wages For H1B holders: The Tata's and Infosys' of this scheme will dangle the green card carrot in front of you while raping your wages to the tune of 50% For US companies: Economy will look like a spaceship, which no one can stop from going up Then the tech bubble will blow stockholders will suffer Indian H1B workers, who were waiting patiently for their green cards will be sent home with nothing to show for Recession will depress the job market for the American worker Who will benefit from this ? The few C- level executives with a golden parachute exit plans. It will not be their problem to fix the mess. It is the next sucker's problem to deal with. Tell me what is good about this plan ?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 09, 2015 @09:37PM (#49443665)

    Give a work permit to anyone with $250k+ of W2 income per year: they'd have to post a bond for the equivalent in taxes for their first year.
    That would cover 90% of foreign job creators, and exclude 90% of job destroyers (cheap indentured servants).

    Full disclosure: I came to the US 17 years ago as an L1, then H1B.
    In that time I've created lots of jobs and paid > $10m in Fed and local taxes, but I'm a strong opponent of the current H1B system.
    It's crony capitalism at its worst.

  • Are the politicians going to take a meeting to form a committee to evaluate the possbility of an investigation into h1b practices?
    No shit they are firing American workers, and Zuckerberg is one of the leader in this field.

    So if you're using Facebook.... fuck you from the bottom of my heart.

  • About 15 years ago I was working at a large Agricultural and Construction Equipment Manufacturer in the International Corporate Finance Center. My job was outsourced to a consulting company that only hired H1b.
  • by Livius ( 318358 ) on Friday April 10, 2015 @07:13AM (#49445087)

    Ninety senators are fine will selling out their own country.

    (Actually, I am shocked that number isn't higher.)

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