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George Lucas Building Low-Income Housing Next Door To Millionaires 540

BarbaraHudson writes His neighbors wouldn't let him build a film studio on his land, so George Lucas is retaliating in a way that only the cream of Hollywood could — by building the largest affordable housing development in the area — and footing the entire $200 million bill, no government subsidies or grants. The complex of affordable housing, funded and designed by Lucas, would sit on 52 acres of land and provide homes to 224 low-income families, and there's very little his fellow Bay Area residents can do about it, because the land is zoned residential.
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George Lucas Building Low-Income Housing Next Door To Millionaires

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  • Well done! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Frivas ( 219029 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:17PM (#49512075) Homepage

    Well done George! if you have the money, and you can help other people, specially poor people, just do it!

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      very little his fellow Bay Area residents can do about it

      It is also a massive FU to that group. He spent 20+ YEARS trying to make that same land a movie studio. They stonewalled him on every turn because they didnt 'want the noise'.

      He can also turn it into straight income. At 224 units at a *very* low rate of 500 a month that is 1.4 million a year. Not a bad ROI. I am sure he can charge much more for it. Or when he grows bored of it sell it off.

      This is him spending some of that starwars money to piss o

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        > At 224 units at a *very* low rate of 500 a month that is 1.4 million a year. Not a bad ROI.

        You're right. It's not bad... It's HORRIBLE. He's putting 200$ million into it.

        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward

          yes and that 200 million is not being burned, it remains in the building which will likely appreciate over time, the whole while making a substantial dividend off it

          • Re:Well done! (Score:5, Informative)

            by Immerman ( 2627577 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @01:34PM (#49513031)

            I believe the typical rule of thumb when buying/building a house (bubble aside) is that it's worth ten years rent - more than that and your money is better spent elsewhere. At 1.4 million/year this thing won't be able to pay for itself in a century. So lets just be happy that some rich guy is throwing his money away in a way that benefits the little guys, even if he is doing it for all the wrong reasons.

            I've got to wonder though - how exactly do you go about spending almost $1M/unit to build affordable housing?

      • At 224 units at a *very* low rate of 500 a month that is 1.4 million a year. Not a bad ROI.

        For a 200 million dollar developement that's a terrible ROI. 0.7% and that is before expenses. A more reasonable 5% per annum yeild (before expenses) woudl require charging $3720 per month.

        Is a $3720 per month rental considered "affordable" in that area?

    • by drnb ( 2434720 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:34PM (#49512321)
      At $200M for 224 homes it sounds like he is building an upper middle class housing development. This does not sound like habitat for humanity-like helping the poor.
    • by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:38PM (#49512369)

      <sarcasticly>But what about all those wealthy people, having low income houses will lower their property values and they will be less rich!</sarcasticly>

      Part of the problem that we have is the physical separation of the Rich and Poor.
      Poor people can learn a lot from rich people. As well rich people can learn some sympathy with the poor people and realize how much of their success was actually given to them, or by blind luck.

      • All true, but to really do that right you need to spread it out more. You don't put all the housing in one development with 200+ families.
    • if you have the money, and you can help other people, specially poor people, just do it!

      Not to be cynical, but it sounds more like a bargaining ploy to me. I suspect he's more interested in having the city back down in fear and let him build a studio than actually helping the poor.

    • Re:Well done! (Score:5, Interesting)

      by morgauxo ( 974071 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:46PM (#49512463)

      Meh... everywhere I have seen low income apartments built they start out nice but vandalism, crime and tennants who just generally are very rough on things have brought the places down in quality very quickly.

      Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are some very deserving good people who need that housing. It just only takes a few bad apples... Unfortunately I don't think you can really help people very well that way.

      On the other hand.. Nice! If they thought they didn't want a studio in their neighborhood let's see how they deal with this! If only there was a George Lucas for every HOA!

      • Yes, that's the problem. Once it starts it tends to build on itself. That is why it is better to spread it out more. Not 200+ units in one development.
        • Yes, that's the problem. Once it starts it tends to build on itself. That is why it is better to spread it out more. Not 200+ units in one development.

          200 units on 54 acres is a breeze, really. 1/4 acre per unit is a TON of room, you won't have any problem telling who the good neighbors are and who the shitheads are. 800 units on 54 acres? Then you are into some downward spiral trouble unless you pour a lot of money into managing it.

      • the problem is it's easy to get funding to build housing for disadvantaged people because it's a cash cow for developers. It's _much_, _much_ harder to get funding for the kinds of long term services that dirt poor people need to succeed, let alone get through the sorts of things they'd need to have secure and stable jobs (e.g. protection for local industries, Unions, workers rights laws, etc). We put people into homes without giving them any means to support themselves or the home we put them in. You saw t
    • If you have the money and can use it to piss off other rich people who pissed you off, just do it!

  • So he can spread shit all over it in the Spring to annoy his neighbors.
  • by ffoiii ( 226358 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:18PM (#49512091) Homepage
    $200 million dollars for 224 low income family homes. I get that there are lots of construction costs other than just the houses, but that still seems like a pretty steep price per home.
    • by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:20PM (#49512113) Journal

      It is the Bay Area, so $892,000 per house isn't too far off...

      • I was under the impression that the housing prices are mostly due to the cost of land there. Since he already owns the land and is just having to pay construction costs I am surprised by this.

      • I live in a small town, about a hour and a half from ANY major population. I have a .2 acre lot, 2 bedroom house, full basement, 2.5 car garage 20 foot spacing between the homes. I paid $30k for the house.

        My mother lives 30 minutes from Milwaukee. 1/4 the lot, 3 bedroom. Full Basement, Compact car garage, and the house sits 15 feet from a BUSY street (so not a prime location) 5 foot spacing between homes. $200k.

        Location, Location, LOCATION.

        • That same lot and house 10 miles from Boston $500k. 25 miles from Boston $300k

          yet we expect people in such cities to survive on minimum wage so we can get our morning Starbucks.

    • Utilities (Score:4, Insightful)

      by wikthemighty ( 524325 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:29PM (#49512233)
      That cost probably includes adding water/electrical/phone/sewer/roads/etc. which all cost quite a bit.
    • For that neighborhood it is low income, its relative. Upper middle class in the neighborhood of the elite 0.1%'ers.
    • Maybe after paying all that money, Lucas will have to live in one of these low-income homes.
    • That works out to 10,000 square feet per home.

      Obviously there are roads and common areas to take into consideration, but that seems really huge. My entire lot size is 6500 square feet with about a 1100 sq ft. foundation house (2000 sq ft finished) sitting on it. That 6500 sq ft. includes driveway, garage, yard, basically everything I have title to.

      These properties don't sound like "affordable" houses at all, it sounds like solidly middle class for most areas and probably luxurious for that area. I would

  • by hawguy ( 1600213 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:19PM (#49512103)

    Nearly $1M per home sounds like a lot even by Marin standards, assuming that the cost of land is not included in that $200M figure.

    • by KeithJM ( 1024071 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:30PM (#49512265) Homepage
      There is a decent chance the cost of the land is included, since he's providing it to this project as well. If you're putting together a press release proclaiming your good work (and I don't mean that as a criticism -- he definitely deserves the right to take credit for his work) you might as well make the numbers as complete as you can.
  • As an old mentor once told me: They say living well is the best revenge. But there's a lot to be said for the old Screwbowski

  • by pushing-robot ( 1037830 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:21PM (#49512131)

    $200 million bill

    proveide homes to 224 low-income families

    I'd like to see the low-income families that can buy $0.9M homes.

    • Guess that's just how bad Bay Area housing prices have gotten. :)
    • Who says he'll sell them? Maybe he'll just collect a modest rent?

    • by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:30PM (#49512255) Homepage

      In the Bay area anyone making under $350,000 is considered low income.

      It's so bad they have bread lines at Panera Bread stores.

    • by mark-t ( 151149 )
      I expect a sizeable portion of that bill probably includes building all of the infrastructure to support that kind of multiple family residential complex in the first place... in urban environments, this infrastructure is usually paid for and developed by the city, but the article highlights that he's footing the entire bill himself rather than being funded even partially by the government, which suggests to me that's what most of the money that's going into this is going to get used for.

      If he's going to

    • by steelfood ( 895457 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:40PM (#49512391)

      1) Nobody says the tenants are buying the homes.

      2) Nobody says Lucas is trying to recoup the costs of construction.

      3) The total cost per unit is probably much higher if you factor in the value of the land.

      FYI, low income housing is usually rentals. Many low income people have trouble saving for a down payment, much less get a loan from a bank, no matter how small the amount borrowed is.

      The main problem with cheap rentals is the building's maintenance costs. Government subsidies are used to help with that usually. If Lucas isn't willing to bleed in the long term, at best, he's going to have to price the rentals for middle income, working class people. Which may still constitute "low income" in that part of California.

  • pretty funny (Score:5, Insightful)

    by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:23PM (#49512141) Journal

    As "fuck you"s go, that's about as morally commendable as it gets.

  • by techstar25 ( 556988 ) <techstar25@gmail. c o m> on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:23PM (#49512145) Journal
    The linked article leaves out one important detail. This isn't about retaliation... Marin County Supervisor Steve Kinsey told the station: 'George Lucas said, "if I’m not going to do what I wanted to do there, what can I do that would be really beneficial to this community?"
  • The key word is "proposes". We shall see if this housing is built or if the movie studio project decision is reversed and that built instead.

    At his age, he probably doesn't give a hoot and may just build the housing anyway.

    • I'm reasonably confident that after he sold Lucasfilm to Disney, his interest in making a movie studio dropped greatly.

      IMarv

  • by Cederic ( 9623 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:27PM (#49512207) Journal

    Don't forget the houses need support infrastructure - roads, sewerage, utilities, but also 224 homes will need a community hall, a couple of shops, a decent pub, a medical centre and/or dentist and (given this is America) at least seven churches.

    Only a portion of the spend will go on houses.

  • Awesome! (Score:2, Funny)

    by Lumpy ( 12016 )

    Now rich fuckers get to enjoy meth labs in their neighborhood like the rest of us!

  • Lucas claims this is not a revenge plot.

    Lucas's representatives said this is not revenge for the blocked film studio, reports The Daily Mail.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    In the UK this newspaper is infamous and synonymous with made up far fetched fiction,,

    File next to Soviets have a base on the dark side of the moon and the queens an alien

  • So it's a $200 million project. For 224 low-income families. It's a huge $892,000 / family. Either he got screwed, or these will be by far the nicest / most luxurious low-income housing area in the world.
  • He should formally get the land re-zoned as "go fuck yourself." That'll show his stuck up neighbors.
  • Now his servants, gardeners, dog walkers, etc., won't have to commute!

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  • Assuming.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Roskolnikov ( 68772 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:45PM (#49512455)

    These new residents are all voters; he might get permission to build his studio shortly after they move into their new homes....needs of the many indeed.

  • Old Folks Homes (Score:4, Informative)

    by LeonPierre ( 305002 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:52PM (#49512539)

    From what I read over at http://www.marincounty.org/mai... [marincounty.org]

    It looks more like:

    120 two- and three-bedroom residences in one four-story cluster

    Two other two-story clusters

    104 one- and two- bedroom residences for seniors in a four-story cluster

    Community center

    Pool

    Terraced gardens

    Orchard

    Small farm

    Barn

    Interior roadways with two bridges

    Golden Gate Transit District bus stop

    • by linearZ ( 710002 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @01:50PM (#49513169)

      I'm sure the first building he builds will be pretty good, with hype to boot.

      The second building will be the best one he ever builds.

      The third building will have Ewoks.

      I'd really hate to be the poor baster that ends up in a building after the third.

  • by losfromla ( 1294594 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @02:52PM (#49513721)

    224 houses on 52 acres sounds like sprawling suburbs. Housing density is way too low and the amount of homes won't even make a ding, he should plunk down like 2,500 houses or condos or townhomes so that they price out closer to what a family can afford. What will soon happen is that the house will be sold at closer to their market value of $1 million dollars each and George Lucas will net a tidy profit and decide to become a real estate tycoon.

  • Some insider insight (Score:5, Informative)

    by mr.dreadful ( 758768 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @06:05PM (#49515441)
    Background: worked at both Skywalker and Big Rock Ranches for over 15 years. There's a lot of misguided or snarky comments here and George deserves an advocate in this case:
    • GWL is not trying to make money on real estate. If he was, he would't be fooling around with apartment complexes, he'd be buying up more land in Marin because that property has been growing by leaps and bounds since 1990.
    • GWL has already donated a significant amount of the land he has bought in Marin to a group called MALT (Marin Agricultural Land Trust). It ensures that the land will remain farmland. *Significant* amounts of land.
    • GWL has always been committed to social justice issues. He doesn't make a big deal out of it. In fact, GWL is pretty low profile about a lot of the generous things he's done.
    • GWL has excellent taste in design and architecture. He's also put his money where his mouth is and built green buildings because it was the right thing to do, despite the cost. Both Big Rock Ranch and Letterman Digital were LEED Certified and they didn't really need to be. Big Rock and Skywalker are both models of how a complex can be integrated and fit into their natural surroundings. Both campuses are almost invisible from the road and even on campus, everything is well integrated into the environment. We should all be so lucky as to have GWL for a neighbor.

    I'm not saying he's a saint or anything, but for a billionaire who has changed the shape of our culture, he's actually pretty down to earth. Don't get me wrong, we don't hang out or anything, but in my experience he's consistently gracious, well reasoned, and well intentioned. Mock him all you want for Star Wars decisions, but never question his integrity. He deserves better.

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