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Elon Musk Establishes a Grade School 234

HughPickens.com writes with news that Elon Musk has established "Ad Astra," a small, private school for grade-school-age kids. His goal for the school is to eliminate actual differences between the grades. The school had only 14 students for the past year, but will likely expand to 20 next September. Musk says, "It's important to teach problem solving, or teach to the problem and not the tools." As an example, he says teaching kids about tools should be more about taking an engine apart and learning about neccessary tools as the need arises, rather than just dumping information on them about a bunch of tools in an abstract way. "Musk's approach to delete grade level numbers and focus on aptitude may take the pressure off non-linear students and creates a more balanced assessment of ingenuity."
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Elon Musk Establishes a Grade School

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  • Oh wow (Score:5, Insightful)

    by OzPeter ( 195038 ) on Tuesday May 26, 2015 @01:34PM (#49776081)

    Elon just invented single teacher, country schools with low student numbers!

    While I admire his ambition, any school system is going to improve if you bump the teacher/student ratio by a factor 2 or 3

    • by Rhys ( 96510 )

      It actually sounds a lot more like Montessori than anything else. Not exactly new.

      • Yes, much closer to a Montessori school than a country schoolhouse, although perhaps a bit more focused than I remember Kindergarten...

    • Re:Oh wow (Score:5, Insightful)

      by NotDrWho ( 3543773 ) on Tuesday May 26, 2015 @01:58PM (#49776309)

      While I admire his ambition, any school system is going to improve if you bump the teacher/student ratio by a factor 2 or 3

      Not to mention the fact that his private school doesn't have to take in troubled kids from the hood, kids with learning disabilities, or poor kids whose single parents are working 2-3 jobs.

      • Re:Oh wow (Score:4, Insightful)

        by stdarg ( 456557 ) on Tuesday May 26, 2015 @05:30PM (#49777809)

        troubled kids from the hood, kids with learning disabilities, or poor kids whose single parents are working 2-3 jobs

        Not everything has to be about the "troubled kids" you know. We spend more than enough money trying to help the troubled kids. I think society gets more bang for the buck from helping a bright kid achieve more than a troubled kid fail slightly less.

    • Then maybe we should fund that....

      • People get rich, other people think they must be a true genius.

        I got recruiter spam to work for a company. It pointed out in parentheses that the CEO was the cousin of Elon Musk. Just raw name dropping, because no one could be so stupid as to think someone's relatives say anything about him. Just more celebrity worship.

    • by zlives ( 2009072 )

      well.... he should watch out for patent infringement claims from Little House on the Prairie. /duck

    • Actually, it's closer to Montessori.

      There's nine Montessori schools in the Los Angeles County area, so it's not like he couldn't have just paid for the kids to go to one of those.

      There's not a lot of public Montessori's, however they are becoming more common (e.g. North Shoreview and ParkSide Elementary in San Mateo), but they tend to be Magnet schools, and there tends to be a lottery to get in because everyone wants their kid to get in. On the plus side, if you have multiple kids, once the older one gets

      • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
        There were zero Montessori schools in my district growing up, one of the largest in the US. There were "gifted" programs, but not Montessori programs. I have no idea how successful the private ones were. They don't work for public schools because the separation into grades is required by federal law.

        And if you look at who, it's mainly the Republicans who want a strong central government bossing the states around in the classrooms, NCLB and all that.
    • Too low a student-teacher ratio is usually harmful. It puts the pupil under a lot of stress, and is likely to foster an intense dislike of education. People don't like someone always watching over their shoulder.
  • by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Tuesday May 26, 2015 @01:37PM (#49776121) Homepage Journal

    It is an interesting idea but I fear it will work with a group of students that would do well anyway.
    I really would rather see him dump money into an inner city school or even offering scholarships or loan forgiveness for teachers.
    Most of the problems with education seem to be cultural and economic. Areas with successful parents tend to have successful students. The parents are involved and push the kids to do well. I just do not think that a "new way" of teaching will solve the root problem in the educational system in the US.
    If the parents don't care only the small number of self motivated students will do well.

    • I really would rather see him dump money into an inner city school or even offering scholarships or loan forgiveness for teachers.

      Where else do you think should he dump his money?

      Also, do you really think that throwing more money at inner city schools will fix or make a dent in the problem?

      • Well, what problem is this making a dent in other than a billionaire setting up a small private school for his kids and some of his employees?

        Because if the entire story is "billionaire sets up private school for own kids" ... who gives a shit?

        If he's purely doing something for his own benefit, this has no business being in the news. Because then it's just "rich asshole can afford to buy his children a better education than you can afford", and kind of pointless.

        Otherwise, we'd see daily stories that say "

        • Well, what problem is this making a dent in other than a billionaire setting up a small private school for his kids and some of his employees?

          Because if the entire story is "billionaire sets up private school for own kids" ... who gives a shit?

          Well, he worked on the Tesla battery technology for years, and then open sourced the patents.

          I expect that as soon as he's satisfied it's tweaked to the point it's working as intended, he will open source the curriculum for the school.

          I suspect that, should this happen, it's not going to change much about education, since really public education is how to get promoted to the point you are an administrator, and can start raking in the 6 figure salaries, and really has dick-alll to do with teaching kids these

      • by LWATCDR ( 28044 )

        He can do what he wants with his money. I was making an assumption that his goal was to improve education. It is a suggestion that I think would help him get closer to that goal.

        As to throwing money at inner city schools? That depends on the school. If they are lacking funds for music and the arts then yes it could help.

        • by bledri ( 1283728 )

          He can do what he wants with his money. I was making an assumption that his goal was to improve education. It is a suggestion that I think would help him get closer to that goal.

          As to throwing money at inner city schools? That depends on the school. If they are lacking funds for music and the arts then yes it could help.

          Bad assumption, though in general Elon Musk does try to shake things up in a way that will ultimately benefit society in general. He didn't like how his children were being taught so he created a school for them and the children of some other SpaceX employees that agreed with his philosophy. Musk tends to be very results oriented so it's awesome that he's doing this. Why? Because if it works, he'll expand upon it and we'll all learn something about education. If it doesn't work, he'll kill it (after tr

    • I don't see the problem with what Musk is doing. Leadership 101 says invest time in your best performers to make them even better. What's wrong with applying this principle to education? I'm not sure what the solution is to inner city school problems but I'm fairly certain that throwing resources at the worst performers will only yield marginal results at best and possibly no results at worst. Maybe Musk's goal isn't to revolutionize education but simply help create "best of breed" students who will go
    • It is an interesting idea but I fear it will work with a group of students that would do well anyway. I really would rather see him dump money into an inner city school or even offering scholarships or loan forgiveness for teachers.

      Lets not change too many variables at once. Work the kinks out with low risk students and then bring in the high risk students.

  • Please stop Elon. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    It seems every time I hear the words "Elon Musk", my bullshit detector goes off. Education is complex because people are complex. It can't be solved by a billionaire with an ax to grind and some vague ideas about how to fix it.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by NotDrWho ( 3543773 )

      These days, Slashdotters have been Musk worshiping even worse than they used to Jobs worship. Glad to see someone else here who isn't firmly in his cult.

      And for someone who's such a libertarian, every one of his schemes sure seems to depend awful heavily on my tax dollars to actually work.

      • by AaronW ( 33736 )

        I'd say Musk relies far less on tax dollars than Jobs did. Apple, despite all their billions, pays virtually no taxes. Tesla got a government loan and paid it off early with interest. There's a tax subsidy for buying an electric car, but it's no different if you buy a Leaf or a Model S. The carbon tax credits Tesla gets are not a major source of revenue and they don't come out of your taxes, but from companies that pollute.

        Unlike Jobs, Elon is an engineer. He doesn't go around suing everyone over stupid pat

  • This is pretty much how a lot of small private schools get founded. Rich dude and/or his wife decide they need a special school for their snowflakes, and they will it into existence. Other wealthy people pile on, and suddenly the wealthy dude's pet project has an endowment, a decade of history, some experienced teachers and finally, some of the upper middle class find that they can afford to put their kids through it.

    So...what, exactly is the tech angle? (This has been going on for hundreds if not thousa

    • by zlives ( 2009072 )

      he got rich by tech...?!! and if you get rich by tech... every dump you take can be on /. too!!

  • Back in the days I went two years(5th and 6th grade) to a small school on a island with a total of about 20 kids in grades 1-6.

    There were further about 20 in 9-12 as kids from neighboring island came to the same school. (They had their own 1-6 grade school)

    The school was organized so that the kids in grade 1-2 where in one classroom and 3-6 in other.

    Some of the subjects were taught together regardless of what grade you were in, some others were more self study with teacher moving around to help as needed.

    At

  • This is the natural way in which children learn in society for all of history...until perhaps the past 100 years...by helping to solve problems that needed solving in their family and community, taking on roles that were appropriate for their age and ability...much better than sitting down for rigid teaching lessons...at least for me.

    • Yes, but teaching children at their own pace doesn't fit the industrial assembly line educational model based on a yearly agricultural schedule.

  • Constructivist, free form, hands on education. It works for many students. This may have relevance because there are not some many things to take apart anymore. We are not on farms where things needs to fixed and children can observe, help, participate, then do it themselves. Hell, even cookies are bought prefab, at most you have to cut them. Kids do not see that if procedures are not followed, the cookies are not good. Even making a loaf of bread would benefit them. Even when I was a kid, you still had
  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday May 26, 2015 @02:00PM (#49776329)
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    • I'm all for this solution, but only AFTER having done everything we possibly can to change the education system from one that makes learning as painful as possible for most kids into one that actually makes learning enjoyable.

      Till then, I think we should ship all the dropouts to your neighborhood.

    • Sure, plenty of kids and teens would not get educated, but they're probably not get anything now either. You can't make a student that won't learn educated anymore than you can make a morbidly obese person who refuses to eat right healthy. Sometimes society is better off with such people being allowed to make themselves into warnings for others.

      Setting aside the sheer depravity of this argument, we have ample historical context for what happens when society cuts off the neediest. France, Haiti, Cuba, China, Russia, Algeria, Egypt, India, Scotland, The Phillipines, Mexico--just to name a few places where social and political inequality have driven massive, bloody revolts.

      Wealth and political power calcify with the already wealthy and powerful. The middle and working classes slowly lose what wealth they have through attrition. Poverty becomes a virt

  • . . . . complete with classmates. Since this is Elon Musk, at least we can be sure that any useful findings will be turned around into production as soon as possible.
  • by ErichTheRed ( 39327 ) on Tuesday May 26, 2015 @02:08PM (#49776407)

    Some people might point to this as a good thing, but I disagree. When rich, influential people begin taking control over key aspects of our society, such as education, even small experiments like this run the risk of being trotted out as the antidote to all those evil government-run schools out there.

    Look at political advertising pre- and post- Citizens United decision. Smart people can see though most BS that either side generates. However, the reality is that the masses are definitely swayed by political ads. Now, it's just a matter of who has the most money and can blanket people with their message. A lot of political advertising is "issue advertising" designed not to promote a candidate, but an ideology. Education sounds like a perfect place to get that message in early. (And yes, I'm aware that the conservatives will point out the evil liberal agenda that public schools have...anything that isn't American exceptionalism is an evil liberal plot.)

    I'm not saying it would happen, but giving influential people access to educational institutions could just end up creating students in their own image.

    • by bledri ( 1283728 )

      Some people might point to this as a good thing, but I disagree. When rich, influential people begin taking control over key aspects of our society, such as education, even small experiments like this run the risk of being trotted out as the antidote to all those evil government-run schools out there.

      Look at political advertising pre- and post- Citizens United decision. Smart people can see though most BS that either side generates. However, the reality is that the masses are definitely swayed by political ads. Now, it's just a matter of who has the most money and can blanket people with their message. A lot of political advertising is "issue advertising" designed not to promote a candidate, but an ideology. Education sounds like a perfect place to get that message in early. (And yes, I'm aware that the conservatives will point out the evil liberal agenda that public schools have...anything that isn't American exceptionalism is an evil liberal plot.)

      I'm not saying it would happen, but giving influential people access to educational institutions could just end up creating students in their own image.

      The dude created a private school for his kids and for some people that agreed that they don't like the current US educational system. He's not taking control of anything. He's running an experiment in educating his own children. He's an interesting guy and it's an interesting experiment. No public funds were used, no public policy was changed, no agenda was forced down anyone's throat.

  • Translation: Wealthy low pressure school created for wealthy children who already have zero stress in their lives.

    *click* Next article.

    Call me back when you decide to use some of your billions to help the kids in Oakland or Redwood City, Musk.

    • by stdarg ( 456557 )

      Translation: You're not interested in smart kids. You're probably also the type who thinks we should end world hunger before daring to venture into space or mess around with worthless stuff like high speed internet.

  • by GrantRobertson ( 973370 ) on Tuesday May 26, 2015 @02:26PM (#49776517) Homepage Journal

    for that system of education. Much research (which I can't cite) supports the techniques he is using. Perhaps all Musk is doing is to lend his name and fame to the promotion of the idea itself. Many people in the upper echelons of the education community, as well as the politicians who make the big direction decisions, are fad followers. If Musk can turn this well established education technique into "The Latest Thing" then maybe it will be adopted and accepted more widely.

  • So what is the cost/student ratio at his school for the super rich? How is that going to be applied to a class with 30 kids in it where at least some of them don't want to be in school and won't be told to behave because otherwise Mommy or Daddies boss will find out and fire them. Why not just skip this partial utopia and jump right to the Star Trek universe of no money, no janitors, and everyone working a their perfect fulfilling job. I think this is a great deal, just completely unworkable in a realist
  • What is missing from the discussion is Musk wanted to make a "home, but not home-home" school for his kids and decided to rope a few other parents along for the ride.

    Elon Musk didn't like his kids' school, so he started his own,
    [...]
    Ad Astra School is "very small and experimental," and caters to a small group of children whose parents are primarily SpaceX employee
    [...]
    Musk pulled his kids out of their school and even hired one of their teachers away to start Ad Astra.
    [...]

    http://www.businessinsider.com... [businessinsider.com]

    I am not sure if this is partial reaction from his youthful years being bullied in South Africa, or the private school his kiddos were going to did not live up to Musk's standards, but I would be critical of educational coverage and results.

  • Elon on the fast track to developing more things that only benefit the already rich.

    • by bledri ( 1283728 )

      Elon on the fast track to developing more things that only benefit the already rich.

      Your post juxtaposed with your signature has pegged my irony meter at 11.

      He's using the money generated by creating a luxury product (Tesla Model S) to fund the development of a middle class product and the required infrastructure (Superchargers, Gigafactory, and Tesla factory expansion) to support the middle class product (Model 3). That bastard, using a sustainable business model to achieve an important goal. He should have started with some piece of shit electric golf cart that no one wants and gone ou

      • by kuzb ( 724081 )

        The problem is that you think he builds middle class products. He hasn't done that, even though he keeps telling us it's coming. Nothing he has achieved with his current enterprise has been designed to do anything other than line his pockets and provide better quality of life for the 1%.

  • by cas2000 ( 148703 )

    that's amazing. we should scrap the public school system and rely on the whims of super-rich individuals to educate a handful of students.

    • by bledri ( 1283728 )

      that's amazing. we should scrap the public school system and rely on the whims of super-rich individuals to educate a handful of students.

      That's not what he's trying to do. He's trying to improve his own children's education and he's stating his opinion on the matter. But given your reading comprehension, you may have a point.

  • How is this different to the old apprentice at 14/5 the problem was that you spent the first year filing and making the tea

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