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Tesla's NOx Problem: Model X Delay Explained? (dailykanban.com) 42

An anonymous reader writes: It may not have come as a surprise that the NOx emissions violations discovered in some of Volkswagen's diesel engines have led to similar findings in cars from several other manufacturers. However, Daily Kanban's Edward Niedermeyer has discovered that a seemingly unlikely car maker has also received a Notice of Violation for NOx emissions: a thermal oxidizer used in Tesla's Fremont, CA plant produces far more of the reactive gases than the permit allows. According to Niedermeyer, the device is located at the paint shop destined for the Model X production and this environmental problem could well be the leading cause for the delay.
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Tesla's NOx Problem: Model X Delay Explained?

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  • Self-reported (Score:3, Informative)

    by Big_Oh ( 623570 ) on Thursday November 26, 2015 @01:26PM (#51008835) Homepage
    FTA: "In fact, Daily Kanban has discovered that Tesla has self-reported an NOx noncompliance at its Fremont, CA factory that may be contributing to delays in the production of the firm’s new Model X SUV."
    • by Anonymous Coward

      They may have self reported, but fact is, they claimed their site was going to produce .8 pounds of NOx per day, and their burner alone was producing as much as 1 pound per hour. And there's no indication on how long they'd been using it or how long they knew about it before reporting. You're probably looking for sympathy for them, but when you're producing 10x as much as you're supposed to be, that's pretty bad.

      • Re:Self-reported (Score:4, Interesting)

        by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Thursday November 26, 2015 @02:24PM (#51009057)

        Why is NOx a problem at a static location anyway? I understand that they are hard to deal with in a vehicle because of weight and maintenance issues. But in this case they can just run the exhaust through an akaline mister or bubbler that could strip out nearly all the NOx. It shouldn't be that hard.

        Does anyone have Elon's cell number? Maybe I can give him a call and offer some suggestions.

  • by daninaustin ( 985354 ) on Thursday November 26, 2015 @03:32PM (#51009333)
    It just serves as another reminder of why you don't build a manufacturing plant in California.
    • by nnull ( 1148259 )
      The problem is that California has all the logistical capacity and ports in the state that drops costs down dramatically, especially when a lot of final production manufacturing is still in California. So you're still going to have a very hard time competing against a business who deals with the bullshit regulations in California when their business is next to your huge potential client and next to every other supplier or have easy access to the port for shipping, bringing their costs down dramatically desp
      • I see the point about Idaho, etc, but we have ports in Texas and have been taking a lot of jobs from California already.
    • Re:California (Score:5, Informative)

      by RubberDogBone ( 851604 ) on Thursday November 26, 2015 @06:33PM (#51009987)

      They didn't "build it" as such. The Tesla plant is the old GM/Toyota NUMMI plant which built collaborative Toyota and GM cars and pickups for years, which was in turn a GM-exclusive plant for years before that.

      It's an OLD car plant, modernized and updated no doubt by Tesla. But Tesla certainly didn't build all of it. They simply grabbed the otherwise disused NUMMI plant for cheap. There were a LOT of good reasons for doing that, ranging from existing infrastructure dedicated to building cars, to workers from what was one of the world's best car factories, to local suppliers, machines, room to expand, etc. Reusing NUMMI was a great idea for Tesla and everyone else too.

      This paint booth problem can and will be solved. It won't be enough to stop Tesla or any other auto maker. It's merely something they need to fix.

  • For the whole fscking plant? This is so far below the natural background level of NOx creation it is funny. But then I guess it isn't so funny if you are trying to do business in California.

    • The non compliance level is 1 lb per hour, as far as I can find there is no indication of how much NOx is being produced in the article beyond speculation.

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