Massive Layoffs Hit University of Copenhagen 173
jones_supa writes: University of Copenhagen is cutting deep into its staff to cut operation costs. Even though a great deal of the savings are aimed at administration and service, they are expected to affect the quality of education and research many years ahead. More than 500 teachers, researchers and employees in service and administrative jobs will be leaving. This corresponds to 7% of all staff. 209 employees can anticipate being laid off, while 323 jobs are either discontinued or terminated via voluntary redundancy. In addition to this, the university will have to reduce its PhD intake by 10% in the coming years. This is the outcome of the government's 2016 budget which imposes huge savings on research and education. As you might remember, we just heard about a similar situation in University of Helsinki in Finland.
But it's OK (Score:1)
They can all learn to code and find new jobs!
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Europe is not an economy. Some European countries are doing well, others are not.
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Google's Public Data explorer can be used to pull some graphs.
Here's a dataset that shows unemployment rates in European various countries [google.com].
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Can it be trusted? Last updated 3 weeks ago and Croatia still shown as a non EU country.
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Of course, Europe is "an economy", that's the point of the EU: freedom of movement, freedom of goods, and a common currency. And "an economy" is all it is, since it hardly is a common culture, a common language, or common politics.
And no major European countries are "doing well" in any absolute sense; some are just doing less poorly than others. (Minor European countries "do well" mostly as havens for the European elite.)
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I guess academia is nerdy but who cares? Europe is crumbling, this is no surprise.
If Europe is really crumbling, should we rejoice? By we, I mean everybody who believes in an ideology of human progress, whether socialist, Communist or liberal democrat. Hasn't the world become so entangled that the collapse of one major civilization will have serious repercussions somewhere else, even if it's separated by mountain ranges or whole oceans? There isn't going to be any refuge from a new Dark Age, the way China or the Arabs of the time continued to bear the torch of civilization after the fall
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Well, it is obviously bad from the point of view of a global, interconnected economy. It is hurting us, and it will get worse. But Europe crumbling is not something we have any control over; the European model simply isn't sustainable. So, the question at this point amounts to: will the US adopt the same kind of policies that are destroying Europe or will we turn back. If Europe hurries up and falls apart quickly enough, that may prevent Americans from fool
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Selective history much? The US didn't avoid Facism, we put a great many Asians and Germans into concentration camps of our own. We just didn't murder them all. Also keep in mind, that social security was born during this time. The country was decidedly more liberal than it is today. We were forcing people into military service and rationing materials as well as food.
You forget that rebuilding Europe is also what made the US economy what it is today. If we didn't do that these policies your espousing as sup
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What makes you think the Roman Empire ever fell? We are still living the legacy
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The Roman Empire still exists. Today, we call it the Roman Catholic Church.
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-1 Stupid. This is basic history.
The Roman Empire (at least the western half) collapsed in the 400s, as western Europe turned to feudalism. The RCC managed to hang on to some power, but it was nothing at all like the political power enjoyed by the Roman Empire (and before it, the Republic) before. Technology was completely lost and forgotten as people abandoned specialized trades to go work in fields as serfs. This was called "the Dark Ages", mainly because education and literacy vanished and no one wro
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Starting in the mid 4th century, the Western empire was subjected to repeated invasions by Germanic peoples, most violently by the Visigoths and Ostrigoths. In 410, Rome was sac
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Istanbul (not Constantinople) [youtube.com]
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Never mind the employers; how about looking at universities' motivation to pump out so many degrees?
They make money from it. That's all. It's not about an educated populace or "learning to learn" or any of that high-minded horseshit. Money. End of story.
They take money from students, they take subsidies, they create markets for loans, markets for student housing.
I've seen electrical engineering go from actual engineering with the degree, to technician-level jobs requiring a degree. And I've worked with rece
Hmmmm (Score:1)
Wish they'd have massive layoffs at liberal arts universities. Those types need to see the real world.
Proposed solution (Score:1)
Just send all the Muslim refugees to college for free. Enrollment will spike. Problem solved.
You're welcome!
Re:Proposed solution (Score:5, Insightful)
Just send all the Muslim refugees to college for free.
Oh, we will. You can count on it.
If they are accepted as refugees, after a few years they will be eligible for the same benefits as other citizens. Danish education - including college education - is free. Not only that, but we will even pay students scolarships of around DKK 5100 a month (apx $9200 per year) to cover living costs.
Universities have admission criteria, however. You'll have to be accepted. Most citizens with muslim background seeking higher education tend to go for the types of education that traditionally have high status in their culture: Law, medicine, dentists etc.
I have a high wage. I pay a *lot* of taxes. Do I mind that refugees seek education in Denmark and receive benefits? No, I do not. Any qualified young man or woman seeking higher education is *exactly* what we need. If they're qualified, I'm happy with paying my taxes so that they can receive an education even if they come of circumstances very unlike mine.
Right now we're receiving both refugees and migrants. We are well aware that the generous welfare systems in the Nordic countries and the economic opportunities (and welfare system) in Germany is attractive. Obviously, the Nordic countries cannot open the borders and let in every needy person in the world.
Bit the ones we *do* let in considered needy. And they *will* be eligible for the same benefits as the rest of us. And I'm kind of proud of that. And yes, I pay my high taxes with pleasure. Makes me feel good about it.
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Yeah, just like they did in Dearborn, MI [snopes.com]. The more of this reactionary drivel I read, the less I believe it.
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Why not? Too much education leading to too productive a work force and too much productivity leading to too much surplus?
Education is an investment in the future. Not to obtain an education is to assure that one will not have a future. The same is true for individuals as it is for groups of individuals (AKA countries).
Your motto seems to be penny wise, pound foolish.
You keep using that word... (Score:5, Insightful)
This is the outcome of the government's 2016 budget which imposes huge savings on research and education.
You seem to have misspelled "cuts".
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Par for the course for the current right-wing government.
the Nordic Model (Score:3)
If you want to read more about the flipside of the Nordic Model, read "The Almost Nearly Perfect People" by Booth. Then think about whether you really want to live in a society like that.
Re: the Nordic Model (Score:1)
WARNING: I was invited as a "guest worker" because dk lacked engineers. Treated like a slave, like a refuge, subjected to every fine fee penalty, 'arranged' to get the boot when I married a non-dane. We lost everything, dk will back-assess taxes and penalties to strip you of all your assets when you leave. There is no recourse since dk doesn't join the EU on money+justice+discrimination.
Do not go there, it is a trick.
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"you go to university and get a Ph.D. at the discretion of the state"
Actually, being a Finn, I see the problem more like being that people hang out at the university at their discretion until they're 30, and they might either get a Ph.D. or not... some cuts may be in order.
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People hang out at university until they're 30 because they don't have a lot of other options when governments raise labor costs too high. "At the discretion of the state" doesn't just mean that they tell you you can't go if you want to, it also means giving people "free" university education after polic
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I am not really sure what exactly the "entry-level jobs" would actually be in our economy... there is only so much need for burger-flippers. This is also the reason why I am very skeptical of in particular the less-educated refugees/immigrants ever becoming gainfully employed. If we have issues with nonskilled youngsters of our own, how are we going to employ nonskilled grown-up foreigners?
Norway has had an interesting experience along these lines, by the way. Their own young people pretty much just refuse
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There are many jobs for unskilled labor if it is cheap and flexible enough. They have been largely eliminated in Europe, but they still can be found in the US (albeit rapidly disappearing with new minimum wage and employment "protection" laws). Nannies, porters, drivers, delivery, pet and child sitting, cleaning, etc. But when you have to pay minimum wage, benefits, t
About time (Score:2, Interesting)
They have an insane amount of lecturers, who creep along in acedemia always close to full unemployment, running seminars which are barely visited by students. Less PhD students is also a good idea, it's time to stop throwing a PhD out to anyone who writes something that superficially resembles a book without any real quality control. Half of all theses are not worth the paper they are printed on.
However, to fair, I'm pretty sure the current fascist government does it for all the wrong reasons and certainly
Re:About time (Score:5, Interesting)
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I don't know about Denmark but I know that when I got finished up my Ph.D in 1991 one of the comments that I had was about how difficult it had been and how selective the program had been. There were a lot of smart people who wanted to get their Ph.D from the same institution and a very limited number of slots. I was extremely grateful that I'd been allowed in but thought that there were others who were equally qualified and that they might have room for a few more. I touched on that and a few other similar
Re: About time (Score:2)
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I'm constantly given reasons to be grateful for my circumstances. I'm retired and happy for it. My Ph.D is in Applied Mathematics and, I've gotta be honest, it was so tough I thought I'd not make it at times. I suspect that where my degree comes from (MIT) hasn't gotten much easier, but I have to remark that I really don't see a whole lot of intellect being displayed by people with newer degrees. I assume they've got domain knowledge, I mean they must. Surely, they've done their defense and they're publishe
Re: About time (Score:2)
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I understand. I am insulated to the point where it doesn't even matter who gets elected. The entire US economy could collapse and I'd be fine. Hell, the world could go to hell in a bucket and I'd be fine. Literally, I'll be fine. My kids will be fine. I didn't want to have irresponsible jackasses for kids so they do have trust accounts (managed, market based) but those don't provide them with a lot of income. Yes, they could not work - if they really wanted to. But, they'd be pretty unhappy. Well, sort of?
M
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Is this really international news? (Score:4, Insightful)
It seems in the past year, some danes have figured out that whenever the government does something they disagree with they can run to the international media with "Oh look how evil they are!" stories and easily have them printed. Even though the actual news content is utterly trivial, and in fact many other countries have been doing the same "evil" thing.
There has been a massive upsurge in hiring at University of Copenhagen in recent years. A tripling of PhD students over 10 years. Any half-decent grad student gets routinely offered 2-3 PhD positions if they finish, and can easily get research assistant and PostDoc positions after they finish, and then teachers, asisstant professors and what not after that. Everyone knows they are not all top scientists - quite far from it. In fact many of them couldn't make the cut at a private company, but yet consider themselves superior just because they got a trivial PhD degree.
So on balance, it seems only in order with a little clean-up - just as many other companies have to from time to time. By the way, the actual cut in funding was only 2% so it can't explain why they now have to fire 7%.
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Gotta pay for more "diversity" coming into the country.
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Gotta pay for more "diversity" coming into the country.
I thought the other way around.
That the teachers of both Copenhagen and Helsinki university was all welcome to Sweden to help educate all the arriving orcs who need to be taught to become proper elves here.
(Of course Copenhagen and Helsinki scientifically but not value-educated personal may not be seen as correct co-workers at a Swedish university nowadays. Feminist anti-white Marxist Islamist or GTFO.)
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As a one-off it's not so bad. But is it, or will this continue year-on-year?
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Hmm... I have no idea but I have some tangentially related experience. I'm a bit old and I've had the chance to travel quite a bit. In all those years and in all of those places, I've only personally been in one place, at one time, where a government did, without referendum or pressure from the citizens, remove an actual profitable tax when they said they would - and I was only there on vacation.
I didn't yet live in Maine and was up on vacation. Maine's government had raised the sales tax from 5% to 5.5% fo
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It works in Finland all the same. We got the absurd "civilization being destroyed in Finland due to university budget cuts" story on Slashdot for the exact same reason -- the politically lefty types want to create a negative sentiment abroad that they can then point to, and demand that we must do something to fix our emerging bad reputation. As if we'd been seen as some shining beacon of everything great and good before...
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It works in Finland all the same. We got the absurd "civilization being destroyed in Finland due to university budget cuts" story on Slashdot for the exact same reason -- the politically lefty types want to create a negative sentiment abroad that they can then point to, and demand that we must do something to fix our emerging bad reputation. As if we'd been seen as some shining beacon of everything great and good before...
Mean-while the Swedish left know that Sweden was the shining beacon of everything right in moral and society, until the RACISTS came and ruin it all thanks to the oh so aggressive and hateful right-wing media (You may not know Swedish media but it's rather full of denial, "taking responsibility" for not letting out the truth or post negative news or opinions about immigration and an enormous share of relativism when it comes to immigrant criminality vs events which involve the horrible Swedish white men.)
If
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I have this impression though that your people are coming to their senses a bit, aren't they? Which would be great, as Sweden is being held as the moral beacon and example for Finland, so we always have to wait for "permission" from you to do things, otherwise the left complains that we are "no longer a civlized Nordic country".
Is it the oil price or the insurgents? (Score:3)
All these continents are yours, dear tourist. Except Europe. Attempt no landing there.
Sanctions (Score:2)
I wonder if the new economical divisions in Europe start to manifest themselves at the West too?
Education is not a business. (Score:2, Insightful)
In the last couple of decades I have seen educational institutions acquire prime real estate, charge students through the roof for tuition and books exponentially, place credit card booths hither and yon, situate food outlets that charge more for food and beverages than outside said institutions. Schools are a business, not a place of education and it is appalling. What else are they going to do but operate like the heartless corporations they are. Somehow, educational institutions lost touch with their man
Eating the seed corn... (Score:2)
Re:Refugees (Score:5, Informative)
Well, looking at the facts would change that view on denmark (in schweden your use case could possibly apply)
Numbers for Denmark
Refuges
2,000 (2014)
14,000 (2015)
on a
Population ~5,650,000 (for decimal weak people ~5,65 Million - 5,65*10^6)
which would mean for 2015 a huge 0,25% refugee intake ratio on the population.
Current Situation:
The right wing government with their anti-immigrant action increases the hostility towards imigrants and a bad climate for "progress" in general.
The ageing danes are entering a form of a "solid state society", which is simply wishful thinking because ageing is the progress that breaks the solid state.
People started leaving Denmark(since arround 2010) not because of the many (0,25%) refugees but because of the hostile right wing environment.
(I know nordic nordish danes that now live in germany that simply state: current danish society = narrow minded society = no fun, no progress, no interest in new things)
And the immigrants/refugees in denmark are faced with exclusion and right out xenophobia, leading to a big dependence on wellfare.
Thus generating a negative impact on forgeign investment into the country, now having an impact on the economy. The growing impact on the danish economy is the ageing of the population and with a hostility towards immigrants that won't change - and no the danish people won't start procreating "just because".
Conclusion:
Get a rightwing government and your economy pays the bill. Education isn't the prime directive for a rightwing government, but for a prospering country it is essential.
Re:Refugees (Score:4, Insightful)
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Your numbers are factually incorrect.
In Denmark, the number of asylum applications in 2015 was 18,492. That's applicants, the number actually granted asylum is significantly lower. So far, it seems the trend for 2016 will be less Syrian refugees (as most of those who are able to flee have already done so), and more refugees from comparatively peaceful countries in Africa and Asia (e.g. Afghanistan). Where almost all Syrian asylum seekers received asylum, that is not the case for refugees from other countries. As such, while the number of applicants might rise, the number of people actually granted asylum in 2016 is not expected to grow significantly.
When you then factor in that most of the expenses of receiving and processing these refugees is paid from money already allocated to foreign aid, it becomes quite clear that no, asylum seekers are not making a significant dent in the overall budget.
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"Yes for applications maybe but I am talking about the actual numbers of arrivals and never mentioned applications."
If they don't apply for asylum, then they can't get benefits and as such they're not a burden on the taxpaying society, so your inference is moot.
Once granted asylum, refugees are entitled to work and almost all of them do. Looking across history on all countries, immigrants (refugees or otherwise) have always been a powerhouse for the economy they come into. The myth of "drain on our resource
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Well, perhaps refugees coming to USA, but not the ones coming to Denmark. They are a huge expense.
A country where you risk having to live on the street if you don't get make it versus one where you are guaranteed roof over your head for life, seems to attract different kinds of people.
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Refugees tend to be among the most productive people in the country.
Unfortunately, as every European citizen knows by now, that is usually not true in the case of Muslims. It is for most other refugees but Muslims think they are entitled to a pay, house and free everything for doing nothing.
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Refugees tend to be among the most productive people in the country.
Unfortunately, as every European citizen knows by now, that is usually not true in the case of Muslims. It is for most other refugees but Muslims think they are entitled to a pay, house and free everything for doing nothing.
Fucking bullshit.
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In the end what gave Germany its economic edge was its refusal to adopt minimum wage for so long and maintain relatively low levels of welfare, sure they implemented minimum wage now but they still have all the momentum mercantilism gave them. They got the better classes of immigrants because of this as well.
Or in other words, the people who leave Denmark for Germany are leaving for a country which is where it's at because it had right wing economic policies to begin with. These same people will soon leave
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Japan has been xenophobic from the start, they are much farther along in demographic decline, they are doing fine.
Only if by "doing fine" we ignore Japan's massive debts. They have a higher public debt per GDP than anyone else, including such outstanding examples as Zimbabwe or Greece.
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They also have huge savings rates. Japanese government and corporate debt is mostly held by Japanese people.
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"They also have huge savings rates"
Specifically because the Japanese govt saw the pensions/retirement trainwreck that's engulfing the developed world coming 50 years ago and set policies to ensure that japanese saved for their retirement.
western governments have been selling a fraud since the 1970s to baby boomers that the future was covered in order to get away with misappropriating taxation and encouraging debt-driven spending.
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"In the end what gave Germany its economic edge was its refusal to adopt minimum wage for so long"
It didn't need to. Even when minimum wage legislation was finally put into effect, the number of employers historically paying that level or below was tiny.
The driver for actually adopting minimum wage laws was the increase in ethically challenged american-style companies *ahem*amazon*ahem* which paid as little as they possibly could, resulting in employees needing state assistance. In a properly functioning ec
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As a well-off American with European citizenship, I've been shopping around for somewhere to move my family to, job-willing. I'm open to virtually anywhere in Northern Europe, but Denmark is near the bottom (of the top still, don't get me wrong) because of how frequently I hear how conservative and nationalistic they are. I want to live in a country where we can integrate without feeling intentionally excluded or pressured.
I'm pretty certain I (and people like me) would be a net benefit to their economy,
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I'm sure well of americans would have no problem integrating. The nationalistic anti-immigration sentiments only apply to people from "third world countries", which is still sad.
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Solution to ageing:
Then propose a different solution, like yeah, people from Germany or people from the Netherlands or people from Poland or people from Slovakia should immigrate to Denmark out of their own ageing countries.
Look around you. Yours and also mine favourite cultural heritage is decreasing in every european country.
But france has positive ageing .. yeah because of that "unwanted" cultural heritage population.
Another hurdle to take is also the danish nationalism,
which is also hostile towards the
Re: Refugees (Score:2, Informative)
That is cheaper than 14 year in Afghanistan and a decade in Iraq stirring a hornets nest
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Bullshit that apparently conservatives have no problem implementing themselves.
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The economy is just a consensual agreement about things. It is not something like the speed of light or gravity. We choose it. If we can't choose something better, then we deserve to collapse.
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If the economy is setup right, it's a self organizing system. If it's setup wrong, it's the ultimate mechanism of the police state.
Be careful what you choose and study history.
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"But I believe that as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering."
Wrong. Our environment defines our reality. We simply define how we choose to live in it. Whether we are miserable or suffering in the process is hardly relevant. If we make choices that ultimately degrade that environment, like the Danish and Finnish governments are doing now, it will only constrain options later.
The reason for the massive cutbacks in education funding isn't simply a result of the "lack of
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That's quite a leap of logic their Adolph. A couple of universities lay off some redundant staff and Europe is falling apart? Really?
You need to stop doing methamphetamine...
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No, he's right. If the U.S. occupiers ever withdrew from Europe, it would revert right back to the bickering fiefdoms of medieval times. The increasing right wing nationalism all over the continent is a step in that direction.
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Yes, a problem in the right-wing governments we've been saddled with for the last ~15 years, who have been running a systematic decimation of the Danish welfare system, in order to pad the pockets of themselves and their corporate cronies.
Re:The end (Score:5, Insightful)
The Nordic welfare states are dropping like flies.
Eh? By "the Nordic welfare states" I'm assuming you mean Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland?
Let's examine that claim. Sweden is doing great, Denmark almost as great. Norway has the oil (and a *lot* of it) and has had the god foresight to save oil money from the good times to insulate against poorer times. Norway is doing exceptionally great. Which leaves Finland. Sure, Finland has challenges which can be attributed to a disrupted monoculture. But they are not dismantling the welfare state by any means. They're innovating. None of the Nordic countries are about to "drop" like a fly.
I don't know why you would try to paint a picture of the Nordic welfare states failing. They're not. Not by any stretch of imagination. Do you live in a place where successful welfare states would be an inconvenient counterpoint to your political point of view?
Yes - there's challenges in the Nordic elfare systems, like with any other model. Right now the Nordic welfare states (and the German welfare state) are under pressure because a lot of migrants would like to live in a place with generous social benefits, free education (and at least in Denmark you will even receive full state-paid scholarship all the way through college), free healthcare, retirement welfare etc.
Other countries have other challenges. In the US the average middle-class income has stagnated sinde the 1970ies. The wealthy are getting wealthier, the middle-class is struggling and the poor has gotten even more poor. US social mobility has degraded to a level where "the American dream" is but a distant fantasy.
Re: The end (Score:2, Insightful)
The righties in America all think that they're invincible and that bad things won't hasten to them so a social safety net is just fit shirkers out to steal their money.
That's why those turkeys keep voting for Christmas while the people they vote for extract more and more from them.
They hate the Nordic countries because it gives the lie to the idea that any kind of social democracy will destroy their way of life so anything negative about those countries is seized as an example that those Scandinavian commie
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"Let's examine that claim. Sweden is doing great, Denmark almost as great. Norway has the oil (and a *lot* of it) and has had the god foresight to save oil money from the good times to insulate against poorer times. Norway is doing exceptionally great. Which leaves Finland. Sure, Finland has challenges which can be attributed to a disrupted monoculture. But they are not dismantling the welfare state by any means. They're innovating. None of the Nordic countries are about to "drop" like a fly."
Sweden is not
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Sweden is not doing great. Most of their GDP increase is fueled by migration related activities and financed by borrowed money.
Nope. Not even close. Sweden is doing exceptionally well right now, and our government spending is well within bounds, the current refugee crisis notwithstanding. Our economy is as always driven by export, with the manufacturing industry again having retaken the export crown. No "migration" in sight, and our economy is most certainly em not driven by housing costs. (In fact it's putting a damper on our economy as a whole). Borrowing to fund spending was many years ago.
That Norway is in deeper trouble long t
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"Really, where do you get this stuff from?"
Well, I was born in Sweden, live in Norway and follow both economies on & off.
FTR, Norway has no money put away for a rainy day. All has been allocated to state pensions and immigration related pensions. Seriously, all of it is tied up to pensions. If you read Norwegian, here's a three-year old article explaining the situation. https://www.document.no/2013/0... [document.no] Things haven't gotten any better since then, and as late as today Goldman Sachs estimated that there
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And that's completely ignoring the many positive signs, and our documented ability to deal with similar problems. (I'm old enough to have first hand experience of the last two major ones, and we came out of both smelling like roses. Compared to e.g. the US, which seem to be fundamentally incapable to deal with their deficit no matter what.).
You're also completely ignoring the many positive signs towards dealing with our current problems.
So, you've committed the classic problem of foretelling doom and gloom,
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Here's a link to a Swedish report from december 2015 confirming what I wrote upstream. A quick quote from page 28:
Hur skall den svenska relativt höga tillväxten ses i ett internationellt perspektiv? Under senare år har Sverige vuxit snabbare än såväl EU15-kollektivet som Tyskland. Men det beror främst på den höga arbetskraftstillväxten. Ekonomin har vuxit eftersom ny arbetskraft tillkommit, delvis som ett resultat av betydande invandring.
I och med att den
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Finland has the Euro. More of a liability than an advantage. Denmark, Norway, and Sweden still have their own currencies.
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No indeed. You are not good Christians. But to deny that European culture descends from Christian ideals is to deny reality. I see you proudly preserve your catherals, and Christian art. It suggests pride in your past. The muslims you take in have no pride in your past, at all. They want to replace you.
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No indeed. You are not good Christians. But to deny that European culture descends from Christian ideals is to deny reality. I see you proudly preserve your catherals, and Christian art. It suggests pride in your past. The muslims you take in have no pride in your past, at all. They want to replace you.
Very few would deny that Europe has a vast Christian cultural heritage. However, at one point you realize that there is no reason to believe other than "some people told you so". And then you stop.
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Modern western society, at least at a civic level, is foundationally based on denying reality. Economic reality, geographical reality, historical reality, social reality, financial reality, legal reality.
You're trying to assert the historical philosophical and theological influences of european civilization in a time when the concepts of paying back money you owe or respecting the sovereignty of elected government are barely
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You must also realize...they don't care. You are an infidel to them. Christian, agnostics, atheist, secular humanist...it does not matter. You are not a true adherent to their particular strain of Islam so you must be killed or subjugated.
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You must also realize...they don't care. You are an infidel to them. Christian, agnostics, atheist, secular humanist...it does not matter. You are not a true adherent to their particular strain of Islam so you must be killed or subjugated.
You must also realise, that most people do not believe in their religion to that degree, in fact that is a big part of why people are fleeing into Europe, because they're sick of dealing with extremists and simply want a normal life, with a normal job so they can have normal kids in a normal house.
It also does not help that Europe and America are bombing their homes.
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As opposed to "use public funding to dictate what gets taught,by who, and exclude anything not favourable to elite narratives".
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You are ether blind or you simply agree with the government criteria.
5. Unlimited student loans with no bankruptcy. (Score:2)
5. Unlimited student loans with no bankruptcy.
5A the professor white there own books and change them each year with them taking a nice cut of the books cost.
5B lot's of hidden fees and other costs that can just be added to the student loan
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5C. Students, being young and stupid, ask for and get Club Med type amenities on their campus and it all gets rolled into the loan.