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US Says North Korean Submarine Missing (cnn.com) 167

An anonymous reader writes: The North Korean regime lost contact with one of its submarines earlier this week, three U.S. officials familiar with the latest information told CNN. According to CNN, the U.S. military had been observing the submarine operate off North Korea's east coast when the vessel stopped, and U.S. spy satellites, aircraft and ships have been secretly watching for days as the North Korean navy searched for the missing sub. The U.S. is unsure if the missing vessel is adrift under the sea or whether it has sunk, the officials said, but believes it suffered some type of failure during an exercise. This comes after North Korea has threatened to use nuclear weapons at any time and turn its military posture to "pre-emptive attack" mode.
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US Says North Korean Submarine Missing

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  • ...At least we didn't lose one of our own submarines...

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Regardless of the politics, they ARE people. We should not dehumanize them. While the actions of North Korea may puzzle us, it would be better understood once one realizes that THEY lost over 500,000 fighting us in the 1950s, which pales in comparison to what is happening in Syria right now.

      I would hope there can be peace between US and THEM ... While we ridicule them, they have a deep resentment that can be weighed in human lives.

      ##

      • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12, 2016 @06:57PM (#51686421)

        Wow. Really? Lost 500k people huh. You do know that they could have lost 0 people, if they hadn't tried taking over the entire peninsula and subjecting all of its people to poverty, misery, and repression. The 20/20 hindsight that we can and should use in this case teaches us that there was nothing right about violently instituting a communist regime in Korea.

        Many Koreans and Chinese gave their lives in an effort to ruins the lives of millions. It's a shame they only lost 500k . . . maybe had more died, their regime would have collapsed back in the 50s, and the Korean peninsula wouldn't be subject to the living hell that the North suffers every day.

        • Wow, that was a superb proof of the parent post's fundamental point - cleverly disguised as a mindless rant!

        • You do know that they could have lost 0 people, if they hadn't tried taking over the entire peninsula and subjecting all of its people to poverty, misery, and repression. The 20/20 hindsight that we can and should use in this case

          20/20 hindsight would have had Stalin and Truman not fucking over Korea by partitioning it into 2 rival states in the first place.

          • 20/20 hindsight would have had Stalin and Truman not fucking over Korea by partitioning it into 2 rival states in the first place.

            Well, given that Uncle Joe wasn't about to let the whole of Korea be occupied by the West (read: USA), your solution would have been to let the whole country become a Soviet satellite?

            Yeah, that worked really well for Eastern Europe, so we should have used that system everywhere....

      • Don't kid yourself, it isn't about any of that, it is about a small gang of psychopaths that have gained control of a larger group of very naive people and those psychopaths know that there can never be peace until they are dead because they have committed so many crimes against humanity that the world will hold them to account if they are captured. They can only travel in relative safety to China, otherwise the NK regime are trapped in a prison of their own making and the walls are only growing higher as t
        • Don't kid yourself, it isn't about any of that, it is about a small gang of psychopaths that have gained control of a larger group of very naive people and those psychopaths know that there can never be peace until they are dead because they have committed so many crimes against humanity that the world will hold them to account if they are captured.

          That describes every Communist or adamantly Socialist regime.

      • by cyn1c77 ( 928549 )

        Regardless of the politics, they ARE people. We should not dehumanize them.

        Actually, they are soldiers of a country whose leader just said that he was going to nuke the US and South Korea, who routinely tries to kill South Korean sailors, who is technically still at war with South Korea, and who routinely lobs missiles over Japan just to show off.

        So I think that a "better them than us" attitude is warranted.

      • I don't think anyone in the world has ever come close to dehumanizing the people of North Korea nearly as much as the Government of North Korea.
      • That's complete bullshit.

        "They" aren't responsible for this: the actions of NK are nothing to do with the "people" and the lives of grandparents who were lost. It's entirely to do with a very small, powerful ruling class.

        While the actions of North Korea may puzzle us

        Not really. The Kim-* * ruling dynasty want to keep their power to maintain their luxury lifestyle, and they don't care how many people get hurt in the process. This is not some power struggle between the plucky downtrodden communists and their

        • "They" aren't responsible for this: the actions of NK are nothing to do with the "people" and the lives of grandparents who were lost. It's entirely to do with a very small, powerful ruling class.

          Strongly disagree. They are responsible for what is done in their name that they do not stop, just as we are responsible for what is done in our name that we do not stop. Thus, you and I share responsibility for drone murder, attempted genocide in Panama, funding the ongoing attempted genocide in Israel, etc. Pretending otherwise is candy-assed bullshit.

      • by Jonner ( 189691 )

        Regardless of the politics, they ARE people. We should not dehumanize them. While the actions of North Korea may puzzle us, it would be better understood once one realizes that THEY lost over 500,000 fighting us in the 1950s, which pales in comparison to what is happening in Syria right now.

        I would hope there can be peace between US and THEM ... While we ridicule them, they have a deep resentment that can be weighed in human lives.

        ##

        Who dehumanized whom? Many Koreans, Americans and people of other nationalities died in the war that paused over six decades ago. It was a terrible war that resulted in a stalemate in which nobody ended up looking good. The Soviets and Chinese supported one brutal dictatorship and the US/UN supported another. However, the South Koreans, Americans and everyone else has moved on. The South Koreans have thrown off their dictators and even tried to build economic ties with the North. What deserves ridicule is t

    • by epyT-R ( 613989 )

      Andre...You've lost ANOTHER submarine?

    • ...At least we didn't lose one of our own submarines...

      Yeah, they make it sound like Pyongyang missing a submarine is a bad thing

      • Yeah, at first I was worried we were missing one of their submarines.

        Too bad we can't rescue them, though.

    • Hmm, Thresher and Scorpion are still in "port and starboard", last I checked.

      Note, for those who aren't aware of Navy slang, "port and starboard" is (among its other uses) slang for "standing one watch in two". Whenever a boat comes even close to sinking, the expression used is "trying to take Thresher and Scorpion out of port and starboard"....

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12, 2016 @06:33PM (#51686315)

    Can't wait to here it. Probably something about it being the worlds greatest stealth submarine that even NK can't see it.

  • My favorite movie quote for having a WOMD go missing is from Broken Arrow:

    I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.

    Looking at you, octubre Rojo...

    • from Broken Arrow:
      I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it.

      Knowing just a bit about military planning, I'd be surprised if the term for it wasn't coined and detailed plans made LONG before any weapons were actually lost.

      • There's the term that they came up for it long before it happened and then there's the term that came about from the people repeatedly cleaning up the mess. The second term is usually much more accurate and colourful.

        • The insider term... the boots on the ground term...

          almost never the same as the term handed down through appropriate channels.

          This is a term of familiarity, which often delineates the authenticity of your claimed participation.

    • Broken Arrow, Bent Spear, and Dull Sword.
      I suspect all 3 terms, they are for different types of issues relating to that, were developed before an incident actually occurred.
      Though it seems likely at least one of them was after, but it's not like there's a unclassified history file on that kind of thing. :P
      To any of the paranoid out there, those terms are all known to the public, even if the incidents probably aren't. Hmmm... I wonder if anyone has stuck them on Wikipedia yet.
    • by fnj ( 64210 )

      My own favorite quote is from The Peacemaker. It's something to the effect of "Do you know what worries me all to hell? Someone who only wants to steal ONE nuclear weapon". Because it's pretty obvious what that guy has generally in mind.

  • by user no. 590291 ( 590291 ) on Saturday March 12, 2016 @07:12PM (#51686481)
    . . . a United States submarine has reported the loss of one MK 48 torpedo.
    • by gtall ( 79522 )

      I doubt the U.S. would waste a torpedo on that tub.

    • I can hear it now...
      "Sailor! Did you just say the words 'weapon' and 'lost' in the same sentence?"

      Oh, wait, you mean "lost' as in not really lost. Right, because the US Navy has a habit of "losing" weapons while training in waters near hostile nations. Because "losing" a weapon would not cause an international incident, no?

      I have little doubt that this sub sank due to no action from an outside nation. It could have been a mechanical failure or a training failure. Either way the families will likely be t

      • No sir! It was demilled as per instructions via detonation in an old wreck that is not an aquatic habitat sir!
        (I have no idea how Navy would actually report that, so I'm using the hollywood junk which is probably wrong.)
  • Before he tried to hijack a US battleship and steal the nukes, he captured a North Korean sub
    We'd better call Steven Seagal

    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      We'd better call Steven Seagal

      You go ahead and call Seagal. I'm calling Erika Eleniak.

      • by Shoten ( 260439 )

        We'd better call Steven Seagal

        You go ahead and call Seagal. I'm calling Erika Eleniak.

        As I remember it, she was an essential part of it too. She shot O'Brien from Star Trek before he could shoot Seagal in the face.

        On second thought...don't call Erika Eleniak. Let's have Seagal do this one solo.

  • Why do I think this sub will suddenly surface off the coast of California or Alaska waving a white flag and everyone asking for political asylum.
    • I doubt it has enough range to even reach South Korea.

    • by gtall ( 79522 )

      Good question. Why would you think that? S. Korea or Japan is much closer. Or the Aleutians if they are desperate to see American women.

      • by Shoten ( 260439 )

        Good question. Why would you think that? S. Korea or Japan is much closer. Or the Aleutians if they are desperate to see American women.

        It IS much closer...that's the reason why they probably wouldn't do it there if they could help it. Remember, when North Korean dictators have wanted certain things from South Korea or Japan, they've tended to just go and take them. Including movie producers [wikipedia.org] and other artists. [wikipedia.org] I really doubt they would fail to go after the crew, if they were so close by.

  • by Streetlight ( 1102081 ) on Saturday March 12, 2016 @08:29PM (#51686801) Journal
    If the sub is really in serious trouble and the US Navy rescued the crew (and maybe took possession of the sub) it might be a pretty good PR coup. Treat the sub's sailors well - good food, some entertainment in SK to see how life is there, etc. - before repatriating them to the DPRK. Treat the sailors as we would expect our sailors to be treated in similar circumstances. Besides, it's the right thing to do.
    • If the sub is really in serious trouble and the US Navy rescued the crew (and maybe took possession of the sub) it might be a pretty good PR coup. Treat the sub's sailors well - good food, some entertainment in SK to see how life is there, etc. - before repatriating them to the DPRK. Treat the sailors as we would expect our sailors to be treated in similar circumstances. Besides, it's the right thing to do.

      What would happen, unfortunately, is that the minute these sailors arrived home, they would be incarcerated. They would be blamed for the loss of the sub, and wiped out. All the good that would be done before their return is like the last meal given a dying man.

      You need to understand the "Maintaining Power" mindset. 500 lives means nothing.

  • ...its new cloaking technology.

  • by Ungrounded Lightning ( 62228 ) on Saturday March 12, 2016 @08:41PM (#51686857) Journal

    I wonder if North Korea will puff this up into their own Gulf of Tonkin Incident [wikipedia.org]

    For those of you too young to have been of draft age during the Vietnam conflict, this pair of (possibly bogus) incidents were used as the excuse get Congress to pass the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, giving the president (LBJ) the authority he used to puff a minor conflict into a major war without a declaration of war.

  • ... Captain Ramius?

  • The U.S. is unsure if the missing vessel is adrift under the sea or whether it has sunk, the officials said, but believes it suffered some type of failure during an exercise.

    Since submarines normally operate underwater, how will they know if it's 'sunk'?

  • by SIGBUS ( 8236 ) on Saturday March 12, 2016 @11:43PM (#51687743) Homepage

    Considering how many missiles they've been firing at the sea, I can't be too surprised that the sea would decide to fight back.

  • Is this some sort of lyric to a Thomas Dolby Song?

    One of the great albums of the 80's.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

  • The men and women who serve on submarines all know their real enemy isn't the other side's sailors but rather the sea itself.

    It stalks their every move, looks for a weakness, and strikes without mercy.

    I am confident US, Russian, Chinese, Indian, British or French navies would send assistance if asked. This is not about conflict between these countries. Under the sea, they face the same enemy.

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