Emails Show NSA Rejected Hillary Clinton's Request For Secure Smartphone (cbsnews.com) 229
An anonymous reader writes from an article on CBSNews: Newly released emails show a 2009 request to issue a secure government smartphone to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was denied by the National Security Agency. Clinton's desire for a secure "BlackBerry-like" device, like the one provided to President Barack Obama, is recounted in a series of February 2009 exchanges between high-level officials at the State Department and NSA. Clinton was sworn in as secretary the prior month, and had become "hooked" on reading and answering emails on a BlackBerry she used during the 2008 presidential race. "We began examining options for (Secretary Clinton) with respect to secure 'BlackBerry-like' communications," wrote Donald R. Reid, the department's assistant director for security infrastructure. "The current state of the art is not too user friendly, has no infrastructure, and is very expensive." Reid wrote that each time they asked the NSA what solution they had worked up to provide a mobile device to Obama, "we were politely told to shut up and color."
Yep. (Score:5, Funny)
Few people know this, but Hillary Clinton is the final boss of the Democratic party. Also called the Queen of Corruption, she is currently a level 100 Democrat. All level 100 Democrats have the the Corrupt Soul ability, which allows them to corrupt anybody 10 levels below them. If you want proof of this, Obama was a level 90 Democrat when he was elected. He's currently level 100, but because Hillary is a raid boss, her stats count as 3 levels above him, thus making her the final boss.
Bernie of course stands no chance against her, because he's only a level 34 Democrat with quest greens. Hillary's ass is so big, she can literally one shot him.
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Hillary's ass is so big, she can literally one shot him.
OMG, almost pissed myself.
Re:Yep. (Score:5, Funny)
Ah, to be 14 again. Sigh.
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Leeeeeerooooy Jeeeeeenkins... for President!
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At least we'd have chicken...
Re:Yep. (Score:4, Funny)
Few people know this, but Hillary Clinton is the final boss of the Democratic party. Also called the Queen of Corruption, she is currently a level 100 Democrat. All level 100 Democrats have the the Corrupt Soul ability, which allows them to corrupt anybody 10 levels below them. If you want proof of this, Obama was a level 90 Democrat when he was elected. He's currently level 100, but because Hillary is a raid boss, her stats count as 3 levels above him, thus making her the final boss.
Bernie of course stands no chance against her, because he's only a level 34 Democrat with quest greens. Hillary's ass is so big, she can literally one shot him.
Hillary also has 100 minions who are lvl 40 Democrats who can crit heal and replenish mana cash at anytime, she is also known as the Fallen Angel. When she is full charged she is a lvl 103 False Prophet and gains the ability Full Immunity.
Obligatory: https://xkcd.com/393/ [xkcd.com] - I particularly like the despair in death's voice when the guy pulls out the rule book.
This negates the entire email scandal (Score:4, Interesting)
If you ask me. She was going out of her way to do the right thing and getting cockblocked by our friends at NSA. I have to wonder in light of these revelations, whether perhaps Obama's phone is not susceptible to NSA tampering/eavesdropping after all, and they would absolutely not give such a thing to someone else.
Re:This negates the entire email scandal (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course it does.
Any time someone in IT thwarts your desires, you should immediately expose information that could get people in other countries killed.
And you absolutely be given a free pass for that, because reasons.
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I'm shocked! Shocked!.
Oh wait. No I'm not. If playing with the seating plan is the worst corruption you can find, be glad of the honest and uncorrupt government you have.
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So you have no problem with the blackmailing of a press person and feeding them the actual wording of the article? You talk about the seating arrangement?
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Yes, yes, yes finally someone gets it. Yes, she's more republican than Trump and WAY more republican than Sanders.
I will be modded to oblivion by the Hillary shills, but oh well. When you have someone who starts more conflicts than George Bush [thenation.com], pushes MULTIPLE trade agreements to strip US of businesses and workers [nytimes.com], was against gay marriage before she was for it [gawker.com], wasn't always on the minority's side [thenation.com], ran a war room against the women which Bill had hurt then tweeted all women who are assaulted should be hea [freebeacon.com]
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http://dailycaller.com/2016/01... [dailycaller.com]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new... [dailymail.co.uk]
http://www.washingtontimes.com... [washingtontimes.com]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Next challenge?
Re:This negates the entire email scandal (Score:5, Insightful)
The facts behind this news item actually explains very little, other than she wanted a Blackberry-type device. If (as seems likely) she intended to use a Blackberry to read email from her personally run server - how does that change anything?
ThIs smells like a bizarre attempt at trying to somehow spin her request for a Blackberry-type device into "hey we tried to get Hillary a secure email solution and got turned down, so the personal server thing shouldn't be an issue".
Re: This negates the entire email scandal (Score:5, Insightful)
Exactly. What I see is the NSA telling Hillary that what passes as a 'secure' blackberry-type solution was in fact a very custom, labor-intensive, manual process that was deemed too expensive/hard to offer to anyone other than POTUS. Let's not forget the timeline: 1) confirmed as Secretary of State 2) hired consultant to establish private server 3) never asks for gov't email account 4) starts working as Secretary of State 5) requests Presidential-level secure device 6) request denied 7) goes rest of her career at State using private email server, keeping all emails private & out of reach for FOIA requests 8) a year after leaving state, amid public outcry, turns over 55,000 pages of printed (on paper) emails 9) declares herself most transparent Secretary of State...
Re: This negates the entire email scandal (Score:4, Insightful)
Perhaps then you can link to the 55k emails released by other Secretary of state office holders? The ones who were more transparent?
Just because you dream up a fantasy from right wing bizzaro world.
Re: This negates the entire email scandal (Score:4, Informative)
The other Secretaries of State didn't need to release emails because the State Department already had them.
She was trying to escape FOIA requests and got caught with other crap as well. She was also skirting federal records keeping laws.
What other Secretary of State kept their own personal email server and then, only after being ordered to do so, decided which emails were actually government records that she should then return to the agency for which she was employed.
Re: This negates the entire email scandal (Score:5, Interesting)
"It really sounds like she knew she might need a secure channel of communication, was denied it, and now is being raked over the coals for not having one. In short, the Republicans are playing dirty pool again, and using the media to make it look like Hillary is attempting to flaunt national security, when the NSA deemed information she received wouldn't be important enough to set up a secure channel."
She was told she could use a secure laptop or desktop. She was not without secure e-mail, she was without secure e-mail on a device she preferred.
I do not believe for even a nanosecond that she was denied a secure means to communicate with POTUS and ambassadors. It has been said many times and many ways that she was provided access to secure e-mail. When she could not get the e-mails she wanted on her insecure device she ordered her staff to copy sensitive data from the secure systems, strip it of the marks identifying it as secure, and send it to her on the insecure system. She knowingly violated the laws on protecting state secrets for her own convenience.
You call this "dirty pool" by the Republicans. Here's something that bothers me, we have a public official that broke the law, where are the Democrats in enforcing these laws? Where is the press on this? I see the press covering up for her more than anything.
Do you believe that if Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio had been accused of a similar violation of the law that they'd get the same treatment? Of course not, Democrats AND Republicans would be demanding they leave the race for POTUS. The press would be talking about this daily. I don't know if the press respects or fears the Clintons but they've been largely silent on the gross violations of the laws that the Clintons have committed. This CBS article is just further evidence of the mainstream press being little more than the PR department for the Democratic Party.
Re: This negates the entire email scandal (Score:4, Interesting)
Where is the press on this? I see the press covering up for her more than anything.
Actually, I'm surprised they covered it as much as they did. She was raked over the coals for quite a while, especially when she tried to blow it off and the press was having none of it. The story has been on the back-burner since then, but if the FBI investigation results in criminal proceedings it's going to explode.
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Yet, every slow news day we hear of someone (the boogyman?) claiming that there has been another small step in the path that eventually leads to an indictment. If they have the evidence, and it is court-worthy (as opposed to National Enquirer-worthy) and indictment would be trivially easy. The lack of indicting her seems to indicate that such evidence is lacking.
No, it indicates that the politically elite are treated differently than peons.
So far the closest thing we have is that someone claims to have been told to remove secret markings on documents to send to the Secretary of State on a non-secure channel during a critical time period in the Benghazi attacks. We have no evidence that such a thing was done, nor do we know if such a thing was requested. We have no idea of the witness is credible, or if the witness has an agenda.
Do you just make this shit up as you go along? It was uncovered [reuters.com] in Hillary's email:
"Hillary Clinton, who has been hounded by questions about her use of a private email account while heading the State Department, instructed a staffer in 2011 to send her a talking points memo by a nonsecure system after it could not be sent by secure fax.
Clinton also expressed surprise in another 2011 email that a State Department staffer would use
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However I think we are being distracted by trivialities.
The Manning leak exposed a pile of things that were far worse than this.
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How many classified emails were found in Palin's personal inbox again?
Re: This negates the entire email scandal (Score:3)
Are you nuts? Why would the governor of Alaska have top secret info in her personal gmail account?
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Bingo.
The left is full of such hate, they are still obsessed with a woman who has not run for office in 8 years now, but are more than eager to forgive economic illiteracy (Sanders) or serial corruption and fraud (Clinton).
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Unfortunately for you, who is president has very little to do with the economy. Who is in control of the house and the senate, on the other hand, does make a significant difference. Using that information, why don't you go back and look at our economic history for the last 35 years or so.
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Lets see... we are comparing a private citizen who hasn't held or sought any government office in how long?... vs a person who has spent most of the last 25 years in government or seeking government positon.
Yes, Palin mentions are so relevant.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
It doesn't seem like it's such a big deal to run SRTP on a phone and mix in some other crypto goodness. They (the NSA) presented the design in public in 2012.
Re: This negates the entire email scandal (Score:2)
This article is wrong. She requested to be allowed to use her own blackberry as well as her aides in SCIF facilities. As far as I can tell she never requested a secure bb.
Re: This negates the entire email scandal (Score:2)
Well there's an unanswered question in all of this. How did classified information get from SCIF to hrc's email server? She requested secure blackberries for herself and her staff and was denied. Hrc doesn't like being denied. It doesn't take a leap of the imagination to suppose that she and her staff brought their personal bb's into SCIF and used them to take pictures of classified info on SCIF displays, or copied classified info right off the screen.
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Why the shit would you need an NSA-modded Blackberry to connect to a personal server? Nothing on State Department email is supposed to be classified, period. The small number of questionable emails turned up are exactly what you'd expect in that volume of communications--the presence of those communications on email would not be permitted EVEN IF it had been an official state.gov account.
In order for the conspiracy claims to hold any water, you have to string so many conditions together that it just doesn
Quite the opposite (Score:3, Informative)
Don't you people understand? (Score:2)
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If you ask me. She was going out of her way to do the right thing and getting cockblocked by our friends at NSA
Absolutely. If you ask for something and you don't get it for any reason, then you are completely justified in risking the national security by setting up your own insecure email sever, using your own insecure mobile device, and even putting classified information on thumb drives and giving them to people without security clearance. Everything she did is the NSA's fault. Hell, the NSA must have
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Re: This negates the entire email scandal (Score:4, Insightful)
A better car analogy is that, when she was denied the right to speed on the highway with nitro, she built her own racetrack in her backyard. Of course she didn't intentionally use nitro there as it's dangerous if not done properly.
Several years later, an investigation revealed that a few gallons of gas she was shipped had a little nitro in them, even though they weren't labelled as such at the time.
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That's a crap car analogy. She didn't stay in her backyard.
A better car analogy is she asked for an armored car to transport money between her home and work. They said she couldn't have one because she had no business taking her work's money home. She decided she'd build her own little garage at home and used it for all of her own cars. But while she was at it she took some of her work's money home with her in her sports car, and got some of her accomplices at work to stuff the money into sacks that read 'd
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"I can't get an exemption to the speed limit, so that makes it okay for me to speed? "
I have a physicist friend who can do that. "Officer, if I knew how fast I was going, then I wouldn't know where I was, now would I?"
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good.
good.
let the hatred flow through you, and take your place at my side.
Onlt if Clinton's the trump suit (Score:2, Offtopic)
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I'm not 100% certain she's the lesser evil. And considering Trump, that's saying something.
Totally justified (Score:5, Informative)
Ah yes, when you can't get your own way and get what you want, that totally makes it okay to break the law.
That's why a police officer who can't get his confession can keep bashing the suspect's head in.
That's why politicians can sell votes.
Following the law is for chumps who have no leadership potential.
Re:Totally justified (Score:5, Insightful)
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Internalized misogyny maybe?
Lets not forget that this is the same woman who not only stuck by her husband who was repeatedly and credibly accused of sexual assault, but also attacked his victims along the way.
Sure he got impeached and disbarred over some of the deceptions, now she is somehow a champion of women's rights despite her previous anti-woman actions.
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Ah yes, when you can't get your own way and get what you want, that totally makes it okay to break the law.
That's why a police officer who can't get his confession can keep bashing the suspect's head in.
That's why politicians can sell votes.
Following the law is for chumps who have no leadership potential.
You missed the point. She tried to play by the US security apparatuses rules and basically got told to go away, so she did what many people do when your IT department is being stupid and figured out a way to do what she needed so she could do her job.
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Storing classified information on an unauthorized system was very illegal at the time... hence the FBI investigation and the granting of immunity to the staffer who set up the server.
Liar (Score:3, Interesting)
Please take your shilling elsewhere, or even better, don't. I have way too much experience with security at the National level for this trash to fly, and several others on this site have similar backgrounds.
Details: It is against the law to store classified documents on non-classified servers. Every politician working with classified data swears an oath to follow the law or be in violation of US Laws up to the crime of Treason. A red rubber stamp is not required for a message to be considered classified
Who missed the point? (Score:2)
Do not attempt to convince us that it's okay for her to break the law because she could not get what she _WANTED_. I really hope that you and the people up modding you are sock puppets and not really that foolish.
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No, jackass, she tried to get an exemption to the rules ... an exemption that requires a full-time military communications staff and a 747 to support the president.
All politics aside, where are you getting the information that having an NSA-secured Blackberry requires a round-the-clock contingent of soldiers and a big ass plane?
I would've bought "$30,000 to build and test" or maybe even "special independent network of cellular towers."
But right now I'm envisioning two jumbo jets vying for airspace over the Whitehouse as POTUS and SECSTATE hold their phones in the air, each trying desperately to reach the transmitter on their personal communications 747.
And tw
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Success... success... success... care to point me at some? It's hard to see much through the burning middle-east which flared up on her watch.
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WTF?
Where? I call bullshit. You are just deluded.
Cops beat confessions out of people all the time in western Europe, and get promoted.
The key to being treated better is the same around the world. Make it obvious you can afford a _good_ lawyer.
I can just hear their response: (Score:2)
Bitch, get your own fucking phone.
Alright, probably not but I can pretend...
Funny how this turned out? (Score:5, Interesting)
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We don't really know what the NSA can or can't do, just that the FBI can't do it on their own.
I would also guess maybe the FBI didn't ask for help (or say "pretty please with sugar on top") on purpose because they wanted to leverage it into their PR campaign for unlimited surveillance.
Given that part of the FBI's mandate is domestic counterintelligence, if there was some kind of real threat to national security, they wouldn't be running a PR campaign and the NSA would be asking if they wanted the data on US
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Ummmm....just that the FBI *claims* they can't do it on their own. They may be telling the truth, but that's not the only possibility.
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No double standards that I can see considering the device issued to Obama no doubt came with back doors for the NSA, the FBI, and maybe some others built in already. That's exactly what they want Apple to provide for them as well.
Two of Three (Score:5, Interesting)
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Considering the job I can imagine that (3) is not an option to them.
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1 - The request was made, NSA determined that she didn't need one... so was told to pound sand
2 - Of course, this was what was done. That classic tradeoff between security and convenience.
3 - Is what the law says... but we have someone that is old enough to remember when dirt was young, and is not technologically savvy. It seems that she was just complaining that she got used to a blackberry and couldn't be bothered to A) sit still at a desk and B) learn
Yes Mr. President (Score:2)
Article is smoke and mirrors (Score:3, Informative)
This is a sympathetic article designed to sow confusion about this stuff. The article made the true but irrelevant statement that of a recent batch of emails not many were classified and those not Top Secret; it repeated Hillary Clinton's assertion that nothing she sent or received was marked classified, without discussing what is questionable about that assertion; it didn't mention how many Top Secret emails were found, didn't mention the satellite data or the discussion of the names of spies, and didn't mention that about 7% of all the emails were classified at some level. It also didn't mention that the State Department offered a Blackberry and Huma Abedin said that idea "doesn't make a whole lot of sense." But the article did spend several paragraphs talking about how well she is doing in the primaries.
Problems with Hillary Clinton's claims that no material was marked classified:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/8/28/1416309/-Hillary-Clinton-s-Felony-The-federal-laws-violated-by-the-private-server [dailykos.com]
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/02/09/judicial-watch-hillary-e-mailed-classified-info-to-get-printout-without-any-identifiers/ [hotair.com]
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-server-classified-ig-report/ [cnn.com]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-on-her-private-server-wrote-104-emails-the-government-says-are-classified/2016/03/05/11e2ee06-dbd6-11e5-81ae-7491b9b9e7df_story.html [washingtonpost.com]
Names of spies discussed in insecure email, lives probably lost:
http://observer.com/2016/02/breaking-hillary-clinton-put-spies-lives-at-risk/ [observer.com]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413033/Hillary-s-emails-contained-classified-information-HUMAN-SPYING-State-Department-says-won-t-meet-deadline-publish-emails.html [dailymail.co.uk]
Satellite data discussed in emails:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3196774/Hillary-s-emails-contained-secret-CIA-intelligence-satellite-info-panic-hits-Democrats-campaign-issues-4-000-word-explanation-s-innocent.html [dailymail.co.uk]
7% of emails classified... 2079 out of about 30,000:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/02/new-email-release-brings-final-total-of-classified-clinton-emails-to-2079.php [powerlineblog.com]
"doesn't make a whole lot of sense":
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/01/18/state-to-huma-in-2011-your-boss-better-get-an-official-e-mail-account/ [hotair.com]
P.S. So Hillary Clinton wanted a mobile device that could be used for secure communications, and was told "nope, that's not secure, you can visit the SCIF just like everyone else has to do." So naturally she just used her own insecure server to send and receive classified information, so she could use her mobile device. Great.
If President Obama doesn't pardon Hillary Clinton, she will have problems fr
It only takes one (Score:2, Interesting)
classified document to jail the non-elite.
I recall an incident upon a ship I served upon where the officer in charge of the radio room went to jail because a single TS document went into the trash instead of the burn bag.
One. Single. Page.
Jail.
I seriously tire of the elites getting a free pass on the laws everyone else is forced to abide by.
Clippy, Jr. (Score:4, Informative)
The best part of this story is that the device the NSA wanted to give Hillary uses Windows CE.
I am not shitting you.
http://arstechnica.com/informa... [arstechnica.com]
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And who had the rest? Symbian and iOS?
It's not that hard to believe considering there was nothing decent out there at the time. iOS was pretty much the first purpose built, user friendly smart phone OS out there - and it was pretty new in 2008.
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The best part of this story is that the device the NSA wanted to give Hillary uses Windows CE.
I am not shitting you.
As opposed to what? You'd do well to remember what life was like in 2009. The iPhone was a second gen toy for nerds that would never take off and was laughably late to the 3G party, Android was just released and no one noticed, and the most advanced devices of the time ran Windows CE where the alternative was a toy based on SymbianOS with even less development than the appstore or a device where the most advanced feature was T9 predictive text.
This is like saying back in 1996 someone tried to sell me a comp
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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I'm still struggling to see what it is you think that makes a specific model of phone magically superior to a generic embedded OS.
Also I actually had a Blackberry back then. Was thoroughly unimpressed. I remember the bitter sweet feeling of using a device that to me felt not much progress had been made since the R380 was released 7 years earlier.
More Secure than a BB (Score:2)
That phone is a very special phone.
The PDA capabilities were hardened from the phone, and the phone has encrypted voice communications (not GSM crypto... actual crypto). Notice the "trusted display" and the classified and non-classified sides of the phone... even multiple USB ports.
How *did* she handle secret and top-secret classified information without it?
http://www.ruggedpcreview.com/3_handhelds_gd_sectera_edge.html [ruggedpcreview.com]
This does not conform to my pre-conceived notions (Score:2)
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There are multiple layers of political appointees who will need to approve such a thing... no doubt that has slowed things down a bit.
Motorola/Verizon still haven't fixed my phone (Score:2)
From the first Stagefright issue.
I have MMS disabled. I'll never buy another Motorola phone again. I'll never buy another phone from Verizon again.
--PeterM
Hell hath no fury (Score:3)
Anyone getting a little desperate? (Score:2)
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Sounds rather like the guy whose job she's trying to take at the end of the contract.
Never is it his fault, it's always the weather, republicans, ATMs, or foreign leaders who don't recognize his greatness.
Sneakers (Score:2)
Sidney Poitier- "...they [The NSA] don't want to share with the other children"
iPhone? (Score:2)
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You really are gullible and naive, aren't you.
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"we were politely told to shut up and color." (Score:2)
Maybe you should have done what you were told. Dumb ass.
Why not use work email account? (Score:3)
I have never understood simple aspect of this email scandal: why did the secretary did not use her own official email account?
Had she used official email account, then you might play ignorance, saying that those techies did not get it right.Getting your own server in the basement of your home immediately transfers all responsibility to ms Secretary.
I still do not understand, why there is a debate on the issue? 99.9% of us would be disciplined for using personal accounts for work purposes.
Last attempt to externalize the mistake is just another attempt to rationalize. First there were no private emails, then there were no secret emails, then there were no top secret emails, then there were no attempts to destroy the evidence, now HRC is saying that it is somebody's else fault.
I understand HRC need for convenience and technological ignorance, but decisions and consequences need to be owned up.
Who's really in charge here? (Score:2)
I'm no fan of Hillary Clinton by any means, but I find it very disturbing that the NSA apparently outranks the Secretary of State. WTF?
Hmmm (Score:2)
So maybe this is not about anything more than intergovernmental agency bullshit politics? The Pres can have one, but the State Dept can't because the NSA don't like them this week? I mean the last 16 years have been a buffet of petty bullshit politics from the enormous hogs at the public tax trough. So it would figure that cooperation between agencies might not be high on the priority list.
Re: What, Didn't get Obama involved? (Score:2, Informative)
That's cute. You think the intelligence machine and the banking cartel don't tell the President when to jump and how high. The last President to oppose them was Kennedy. Oops.
Re: What, Didn't get Obama involved? (Score:3, Interesting)
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You actually think that she was asking for details about the president's security to effectively sell to spies?
As far as I can tell the email scandal was she used an insecure email server after finding the secure communication server inconvenient.
A stupid thing to be sure, but not a scenario where selling state secrets for money cartoon villain.
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Selling state secrets may be a bit too much of an accusation, but selling favors and access isn't.
The entire Clinton Global Initiative looks to be an amazing scam in which she was personally able to enrich her family thanks to her position as SoS. Granted a book written on this subject [amazon.com] isn't able to 'prove' much (though it does make a compelling case), it would be up to the feds to do a criminal investigation on the subject and that isn't likely.
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Nope, he's right. You're a knuckle-dragger.
Putin isn't strong, he's just good at acting like it while being a total dick, like Trump, and clearly he's your role model if you think women and homosexuals damage the military. You managed to leave out welfare queens and minorities in your regressive rant. The Ikes and Roosevelts would have told you to stuff it. And you blame it on the sexual revolution? I think I sense someone was unable to get caught up in the sexual revolution and feels cheated...
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I'm in the 98th percentile for neanderthal DNA. I feel qualified to comment, but I won't, I have to pluck my unibrow.