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UbuntuBSD Is Looking To Become An Official Ubuntu Flavor (softpedia.com) 117

prisoninmate quotes a report from Softpedia: UbuntuBSD maintainer and lead developer Jon Boden is now looking for a way for his operating system to contribute to the Ubuntu community and, eventually, become an official Ubuntu flavor. Just two weeks ago, [Softpedia] introduced the ubuntuBSD project, whose main design goal is to bring users an operating system powered by the FreeBSD kernel while offering them the familiarity of the Ubuntu Linux OS. Right now, ubuntuBSD is in heavy development, with a fourth Beta build out the door, and it looks like the developer already seeks official status and wants to contribute all of his work to the main Ubuntu channels. [Canonical has yet to respond.]
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  • I got into a debate with my former Linux users group on this when a fork of Debian hit a half decade ago with FreeBSD.

    Everything from gnome to pulse audio to SystemD is integrated in Linux. People act as if you can swap the kernel out and still run or even compile anything. I am shocked anything works at all with gnome on non Linux platforms as things are so proprietary and tight. Yes it's gnu, but what I mean by proprietary is Linux and not Unix standard way it does things since 2006

    FreeBSD is a server ori

    • by tomxor ( 2379126 ) on Saturday April 09, 2016 @09:17AM (#51874095)

      FreeBSD is a server oriented OS as far as I am concerned

      Posting from FreeBSD 10.3 on my macbook... seems like a pretty good desktop to me, but it's a personal choice, so yes "as far as you are concerned". The only major barrier for any OS being an easy to use desktop is hardware support, anything which isn't super popular will have this issue especially where open source drivers aren't available for porting.

      • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

        by thegarbz ( 1787294 )

        Posting from FreeBSD 10.3 on my macbook... seems like a pretty good desktop to me

        Define desktop. Being able to post online using a browser is not something that makes a good desktop. Being able to seamlessly as possible handle the stupendously uncountable possible user cases that make up "desktop computing" is what makes a desktop.

        Yeah we could all run Windows 2008 Server and call it a desktop, but quite frankly the design decisions made in the OS are what define it to be a desktop or a server OS and that has a direct impact to using it as either. e.g. the scheduler for a desktop OS and

        • Browsing the web is good enough for the vast majority of users. Many apps that used to be windows or Mac only work on the browser now. If you can read a thumb drive, download pictures and video off a phone, and use the webcam with Facebook you're up to about 99%.
          • Browsing the web is good enough for the vast majority of users.

            Google thought that too and then was absolutely decimated in reviews as phones were considered "unresponsive and not smooth as Apples". Still are quite regularly too and ensuring that the UI was drawn in smooth way became a major feature of Android 4.0

        • Being able to post online using a browser is not something that makes a good desktop.

          Embedded Arduino development. Python development.

          I've pulled a hard drive from my desktop and tossed it in my laptop and FreeBSD didn't know the difference. (Windows can't get past a BSOD).

          ZFS on Root means if one of my hard drives goes it doesn't take down my entire desktop.

          FreeBSD on my Wife's 6 year old Dell feels faster than Windows 7 or 10 on any new laptop I've tried in the last year.

          • by deragon ( 112986 )

            Embedded Arduino development. Python development.

            I've pulled a hard drive from my desktop and tossed it in my laptop and FreeBSD didn't know the difference. (Windows can't get past a BSOD).

            I did the same with Linux kernel. That is how I upgrade my hardware; just put the old HD into the new laptop. Some automatic configuration is then performed. Maybe I have to configure the graphic card with the GUI, but I do not remember. As easy as it can be.

        • by tomxor ( 2379126 )
          Who said a desktop for computer illiterate people... no i wouldn't recommend FreeBSD as a desktop for someone who doesn't code who isn't a developer who doesn't know what a command line is are you fucking crazy?... Developers want desktops too, and the sane ones don't want windows. However as a counter argument, there's no reason why someone can't take a minimal BSD system and add some DE and automatic configuration, graphical package managers etc like Ubuntu does to make it usable for the masses, that's PC
      • How about doing audio work with OSS with no ALSA or PulseAudio.

        What about games that link to these APIs? What about apps where the makefile doesn't use BSD specific things to compile right?

        I prefer FreeBSD. I am just saying if you ask any BSD maintainer they can vouch for doing lots of coding to get something like gnome to compile. Apache maybe mute but SDL games is another matter.

        FreeBSD project does more than write a kernel. Linux despite all it's faults and worts with things like SystemD and it's more wi

        • by tomxor ( 2379126 )

          How about doing audio work with OSS with no ALSA or PulseAudio.

          What about games that link to these APIs? What about apps where the makefile doesn't use BSD specific things to compile right?

          I prefer FreeBSD. I am just saying if you ask any BSD maintainer they can vouch for doing lots of coding to get something like gnome to compile. Apache maybe mute but SDL games is another matter.

          FreeBSD project does more than write a kernel

          The horrible complex layer that is PulseAudio exists because of the multiple ways sound works on different linux distros including OSS, i'm not an audio expert but I'd geuss that would mean using OSS instead of ALSA would be fine unless a game is attempting to use ALSA directly. For things that there are no existing layers for i guess there are two options... make it work natively with the FreeBSD kernel or make a translation layer.

          I've read about how much effort is involved porting very linux orientated so

    • by gatkinso ( 15975 )

      Well, we aren't talking about FreeBSD. The system under discussion is UbuntuBSD.

      If you are debating about BSD's pedigree on the desktop in general, I refer you to Darwin / OS X.

      • by tomxor ( 2379126 )

        If you are debating about BSD's pedigree on the desktop in general, I refer you to Darwin / OS X.

        This misinformation is too damn common: Darwin is BSD as much as UNIX is BSD as much as Solaris is BSD, although "Darwin"/NEXTStep/OSX took various old bits of BSD userland at various points in time they also took various bits of GNU userland and Mach which became the XNU kernel... Not to mention all of their own extended development of their kernel and all the other technologies on top of that system 20+ years ago before it even became the basis of OS X today.

        Sitation: https://www.levenez.com/unix/ [levenez.com] (huge u

        • by gatkinso ( 15975 )

          To claim that Darwin does not have BSD roots is foolish.

          • by tomxor ( 2379126 )

            To claim that Darwin does not have BSD roots is foolish.

            Foolish is a strange choice of words but "wrong" i would agree, it is however definitely annoying to argue with straw men... I never claimed Darwin does not have FreeBSD roots, try to actually read my last paragraph.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          UNIX is not BSD. Unix from AT&T predates BSD, with UCB licensing the software to create BSD. However, these days Unix is a specification and only implementations can be certified. The only BSD derived implementation is from Apple, the rest are derived from AT&T SysV.

          Solaris is based on SysV. The original SunOS (which is still used internally to enumerate the Solaris releases) was based on AT&T V7, but up to v4 it was based on 4.1BSD. There was never a Solaris 1, although it was implied when Sola

    • FreeBSD is a server oriented OS as far as I am concerned

      I've run FreeBSD as my 'desktop' OS (on my laptop) for ~6 months now. I can't see any reason to go back.

    • by caseih ( 160668 )

      This is only partially true. Gnome is only tied to Linux out of laziness on the part of the gnome developers. Non systemd stuff is all still there but is bit rotting. Architecturally there's no reason gnome cannot run on other kernels and operating systems. Also subsystems of systemd like udev can be implemented on other systems. There's even a project to bring some parts of systemd to BSD to support Gnome development.

  • Haven't ports of debian already been tried to alt OSes such as FreeBSD, HURD and OpenSolaris with a tiny number of users to support and develop the platform?

  • Why? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by BitZtream ( 692029 )

    Please stop trying to taint *BSD with the nasty ass disorganized chaos of GNU.

    *BSD are nice, organized, predictable, maintainable OSes with good clean utilities that work in reliable and predictable ways.

    GNU is a piss pot of everything doing everything THEY want and not giving one flying fuck about how anyone else might like it:

    Examples:

    Not using /usr/local
    systemd
    4 trillion flavors of GNU/Linux that all work exactly the same ... except different so that nothing actually will work out of the box across them

    • Is anyone still using BSD ? It was dying years ago. Netcraft even confirmed it.
      • by gatkinso ( 15975 )

        Millions of iPad users dispute your claim.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          Apple is a piss pot of everything doing everything THEY want and not giving one flying fuck about how anyone else might like it:
        • by Foresto ( 127767 )

          I get the impression that you think iOS (or OSX for that matter) has more BSD inside than it actually has.

        • And Java is installed on billions of devices because Android. I wouldn't count Apple as BSD. Nor Android as Java. This is only a piece of their larger pie.

    • Re: Why? (Score:5, Funny)

      by s4m7 ( 519684 ) on Saturday April 09, 2016 @09:51AM (#51874187) Homepage
      It's a natural side effect of herding cats.
    • Re:Why? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Saturday April 09, 2016 @10:02AM (#51874219)

      JUST TAKE THE KERNEL PARTS YOU WANT AND LEAVE *BSD ALONE. WE DON'T WANT YOUR CORRUPTION.

      That's a great suggestion. You should give it to the people who are already doing exactly what you're shouting about. Now please go and play with your FreeBSD system and leave the people having a discussion about a different OS alone.

    • When I briefly looked at BSD quite a number of years ago, what turned me off was the spiteful, angry people who used BSD. These people were not shy about expressing themselves and they told me straight where I could go. I got the message loud and clear. Despite any technical advantages BSD might have had, I have a big problem with joining up with a bunch of raging assholes.
      • by fnj ( 64210 )

        When I briefly looked at BSD quite a number of years ago, what turned me off was the spiteful, angry people who used BSD. These people were not shy about expressing themselves and they told me straight where I could go. I got the message loud and clear. Despite any technical advantages BSD might have had, I have a big problem with joining up with a bunch of raging assholes.

        Odd; I never found them so; anything but. I did find the community a bit OCD - look how they run the FreeBSD forum. I can only suspect t

      • by aliquis ( 678370 )

        and they told me straight where I could go.

        It's a shell with C like syntax!!

        Not the resting place of spin-idling terrorists and CTs alike!

    • by fnj ( 64210 )

      *BSD are nice, organized, predictable, maintainable OSes with good clean utilities that work in reliable and predictable ways.

      GNU is a piss pot of everything doing everything THEY want and not giving one flying fuck about how anyone else might like it

      Look, I have the utmost respect for BSD; I have used it for a long time and continue to use it every day. But let's face it, the Gnu tools and utilities are much richer and more versatile than BSD's.

      Want to know how large your files are? 'ls -l' makes it way to

      • by fnj ( 64210 )

        P.S. - sorry, when I wrote "long live eval", I obviously meant "long live expr". For some reason I have a mental block against keeping the two tool names straight.

  • no chance in hell.

  • I actually read many (not all) of the comments on this topic, and - unusual even for Slashdot - there was NOTHING of value. This topic will appear at Hacker News, and it will contain at least 50% intelligent and thoughtful remarks.

    Dropping in on a technical Slashdot thread these days is like visiting a religious convention of snot-throwers being hosted by Youtube. As a result, I (and I'm sure many others) read very little of what all of you zealots have to say. If that's your desire, congratulations. Enjoy

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