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Ubuntu-Based Peppermint 7 Released (peppermintos.com) 74

Softpedia reports on the newest version of Peppermint OS, "a lightweight, stable, elegant, and fast computer operating system based on GNU/Linux and Open Source technologies." An anonymous Slashdot reader quotes their report: It's a bit earlier than expected, but the Peppermint OS 7 GNU/Linux distribution has been officially unveiled...based on the Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) operating system [with] a lot of packages from the Ubuntu 16.04 LTS distro, which means that it will also be a long-term support release.... "Along with the shift to the 16.04 (Xenial) code base, Peppermint 7 continues our policy of choosing the best components from other desktop environments, wherever that may be, and integrating them into a cohesive whole with our own software," reads today's announcement.
"Team Peppermint" says they're switching to Firefox as their default browser for site-specific browser functionality (similar to Chrome's -app mode) after Google dropped their 32-bit version of Chrome and moved to PPAPI plugins "which effectively ends Flash support in 32-bit Chromium"... But you can also still choose Chrome or Chromium for site-specific browsing (and the OS comes in 32-bit and 64-bit editions).
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Ubuntu-Based Peppermint 7 Released

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    Does Peppermint provide some value to somebody that you can't get from, say, Xubuntu? What's this distro's raison d'etre?

    • by binarylarry ( 1338699 ) on Saturday June 25, 2016 @08:11PM (#52390539)

      Well, it's based on Ubuntu, but has hot new features like 32-bit flash support.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Well, it's based on Ubuntu, but has hot new features like 32-bit flash support.

        No one should use Flash in 2016.

    • by AthanasiusKircher ( 1333179 ) on Saturday June 25, 2016 @08:21PM (#52390555)

      Does Peppermint provide some value to somebody that you can't get from, say, Xubuntu? What's this distro's raison d'etre?

      I haven't tried it, but my sense is that it was originally created as an answer to Chromebooks, i.e., a distro that focused heavily on integrating web applications into the desktop with SSBs, etc. Like Chromebooks, the system requirements were lower because of the reliance on web-based apps. Also, like Linux Mint (its namesake), Peppermint has made certain choices about user interface, settings, etc. that many seem to prefer to the Canonical Ubuntu variants.

      Now more distros can do these things more easily, so Peppermint is less distinctive, other than still being a slimmed down version of a standard distro, requiring less RAM and HD space.

      • Chromebooks require an internet connection to function. This is something Peppermint Seven and it predecessors don't require. Peppermint 7 is based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. Yes is does utilize systemd. You have full access to all the software in the Ubuntu repositories. The devs at Peppermint have made it very simple to install software. It utilises mintInstall 7.6.4 as its Software Manager. The Synaptic Package Manager is also preinstalled and of course, you can install software by using the terminal.
        • by vernonB ( 636207 )
          When I heard about https://github.com/dnschneid/c... [github.com] I got an inexpensive chromebook and ended up quite satisfied running Debian 8.4 a/k/a Jessie with xcfe in a chrooted envinroment under Chromium OS. I use it offline alot and it's fine. But it would be cool if there were a Peppermint crouton thingy for this because it sounds like it's well-suited to this type of use and my Debian, overall satisfaction notwithstanding, has some clunkinesses.
    • I had an old netbook a couple years back that refused any other USB install but Peppermint. It had that going for it at the time.
    • by kamapuaa ( 555446 ) on Saturday June 25, 2016 @11:15PM (#52391009) Homepage

      The idea is, you have a slow old computer and you want to install Linux on it and make it usable.

      • I've seen this justified time and time again. But it's just not true of a modern Linux distribution. You want to see your old computer fly, install Windows XP on it. Install Ubuntu Drapper Drake (2006).

        But doing modern work on an old machine sucks regardless of how magic you think an operating system is.

        • If you eventually get so you know a little about Linux, you can install the minimal system and add what you want. I like Emacs and Screen, then I install fluxbox. I have been using fluxbox for forever and never had a bit of problem with it. And then you go from there, whatever your work demands. You can still build a system that runs fine on 4G RAM and an old quad-core. If you do a lot of pictures, you might need to go to 8G. My very viable Debian system with Rat Poison and Emacs runs on 34mb of RAM at idle
          • If you eventually get so you know a little about Linux, you can install the minimal system and add what you want.

            Of course. But this has nothing to do with an article on Peppermint 7 which out of the box will not make your computer seem any faster than a bloated Windows install.

            You can still build a system that runs fine on 4G RAM and an old quad-core.

            As someone who edits photos on a machine with 4GB of RAM this comment is amusing. But it's right it's 2016, and RAM is cheap. I just wish those damn laptop manufacturers realised this.

  • Why Softpedia? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Recently, there seem to be a lot of submissions coming from Softpedia,
    Is there some special relationship between Softpedia and Slashdot?
    I stopped using Softpedia because they seemed to be spreading crapware,
    Have they reformed?

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Either it's because of money (and they're not telling us) or it's because the new new editors are that shitty. Quite possibly both. But you can't blame them because haxx0rz did it. Really. Which is probably why the new new editors talk about haxx0rz so much. And no, softpedia is still shitty. Much of the other stuff that gets posted is equally shitty. The vapid "cio" stuff, the breathless yabbering about the latest tiny little tidbit some security outfit or other managed to shit on a sandwich, clickbait fro

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 25, 2016 @09:11PM (#52390719)

    Because it isn't very light. On my Ubuntu 16.04 system I booted less than two hours ago:

    # ps auxw | grep systemd
    root 240 0.0 0.1 34724 6940 ? Ss 01:07 9:05 /lib/systemd/systemd-journald
    root 270 0.0 0.0 44900 3424 ? Ss 01:07 2:02 /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd
    root 545 0.0 0.0 28548 2720 ? Ss 01:07 8:02 /lib/systemd/systemd-logind
    root 556 0.0 0.0 29880 1216 ? Ss 01:07 7:00 /sbin/cgmanager -m name=systemd
    message+ 572 0.0 0.0 42904 3420 ? Ss 01:07 19:01 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --systemd-activation

    That's 45 minutes of CPU usage over less than 120 minutes on a new i7. That's just too much.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      systemd is better so it's worth giving up half of a CPU for it.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      That's 45 minutes of CPU usage over less than 120 minutes on a new i7. That's just too much.

      Considering how much better binary log files are, that's an acceptable trade-off.

    • And if you sum the cpu of all processes that systemd replaces (on another system) what do you get?
      • by allo ( 1728082 )

        did you try? there isn't much activity with sysv scripts and no poetteringware. networkmanager? a plain dhcp-client and network/interface needs almost no cpu. init? always idle. syslog? very little cpu.
        what does he do, what needs so much cpu? bitcoin mining?

    • by Maow ( 620678 )

      Those numbers look wrong somehow.

      To compare, I have 8 days uptime and pulled these numbers:


      # ps auxw | grep systemd
      USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND
      root 383 0.0 0.1 64132 29144 ? Ss Jun17 0:26 /lib/systemd/systemd-journald
      root 443 0.0 0.0 45820 5128 ? Ss Jun17 0:01 /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd
      message+ 1143 0.0 0.0 44596 5648 ? Ss Jun17 7:33 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --sys

    • You're right about one thing, that's too much.

      I see 9min 10sec of CPU usage over 75053min on a shithouse old Intel Atom. That's insignificant.

      Your system has massive issues. Systemd on the other hand is just fine.


      # ps auxw | grep systemd
      root 1 0.0 0.0 185596 4812 ? Ss May05 4:29 /lib/systemd/systemd --system --deserialize 20
      root 355 0.0 0.0 43900 11892 ? Ss May05 0:57 /lib/systemd/systemd-journald
      systemd+ 1539 0.0 0.0 315260 1800 ? Ssl May28 0:02 /lib/

    • You should probably check your logs, since journald takes up so much cpu time on your system I would guess that there is one or more processes that logs a ton of data continuously, or at least did at some point in time. They all show 00:00 of cpu time on my machine and it have been up for the same amount of time as yours.
  • Is it upgradeable ? I don't really like those distributions that require a clean install on each release.

  • A quick search yields nothing; if it uses systemd, they sure aren't shouting it from the rooftops.
  • Yawn. For a real distro, Fedora released 24 recently.

  • How do they do it?
    I really liked mozilla prism, then it was discontinued. Chrome --app isn't quite the same, currently i have one app with epiphany app-mode, which works like prism, but doesn't hide the navigation bar, which takes quite a lot of screen-space like all recent gnome programs with new style. And epiphany doesn't have all html5 features, yet.

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