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Creator of Online Money Gets 20 Years in Prison (cnn.com) 149

An anonymous reader quotes this report from CNN: Before the virtual currency Bitcoin there was Liberty Reserve -- and its founder just got sentenced to 20 years in prison. Arthur Budovsky, 42, ran an online digital money business out of Costa Rica called Liberty Reserve. The U.S. government contended that the whole thing was just a massive, $6 billion money laundering operation. On Friday, U.S. District Judge Denise L. Cote sentenced him to two decades in federal prison. She said Budovsky did not show "genuine remorse," according to the Department of Justice...

The U.S. government used the Patriot Act to go after this payment processor. The U.S. Treasury Department labeled it a money laundering organization, and cut it off from the American financial system. In 2013, American investigators took over the website and shut it down. In 2014, Budovsky and several coworkers were arrested in Spain. Then Budovsky was extradited to the United States to face trial for money laundering and operating an unlicensed money transmitting business.

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Creator of Online Money Gets 20 Years in Prison

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  • "unlicensed" (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07, 2016 @08:43AM (#52066601)

    The fractional reserve cartel hates competition. Give them a cut, or else...

    • Re:"unlicensed" (Score:4, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07, 2016 @11:13AM (#52067069)

      More like a Fictional Reserve System.
      It has no reserves. Is not Federal but private owned and is only a system for crooks and swindlers (read private bankers).

    • Amazing a guy operating in Costa Rica ends up being prosecuted in the US (after bring arrested in Spain). Sounds like the currency version of Kim Dotcom: nothing to do with the US but they insist on playing Corrupt Global Cop.
  • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 ) on Saturday May 07, 2016 @08:53AM (#52066645) Journal

    HSBC meanwhile, no-one held to account, no-one jailed etc, in fact the boss is now Minister of State for Trade and Investment. [bbc.co.uk] and the woman who was supposed to be over-seeing fraud is now Chairman [bbc.co.uk] [sic] of the BBC.

    And they call Putin a criminal. The criminals are running our governments and our biggest companies.

    • by currently_awake ( 1248758 ) on Saturday May 07, 2016 @11:54AM (#52067199)
      It's not illegal when the people making the laws do it. The Mafia (organized crime) has always been the little leagues of crime, Government and big business show how to do it properly.
      • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 )

        Although in this case they were breaking money laundering laws, HSBC was fined, HSBC bosses continued to award themselves fat bonuses, they govt even gave the wrong-doers nice govt jobs.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      You're right. HSBC should have been punished harder. Doesn't mean some guy running an obvious money laundering system should escape justice.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      You bitch about HSBC. They got fined 2 billion USD. What about Wachovia/Wells Fargo?

      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs

      • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 )

        Completely missing the point there aren't you, the directors, CEO etc got off scot free, continued to pay themselves huge bonuses and some were even given cushy govt jobs.

    • HSBC meanwhile, no-one held to account, no-one jailed etc, in fact the boss is now Minister of State for Trade and Investment. [bbc.co.uk] and the woman who was supposed to be over-seeing fraud is now Chairman [bbc.co.uk] [sic] of the BBC.

      Fraud is the single biggest danger to the American economy. It is apparent that fraud is now a driving factor in banking. If you are a bank without a fraud profit department, then you will lose out to your competition who will buy your assets and institute a strong fraud program for you.

      To save America, we must start lynching the fraudsters.

  • by Ke7dbx ( 1779152 ) on Saturday May 07, 2016 @08:55AM (#52066651)
    Can you say Kangaroo court? It has more to do with the government's desire to keep its money monopoly on top of all its intrusive regulations.
    • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

      You left out the layer of corruption. This is all to do with the corrupt corporations that control government seeking to maintain and protect their cartels as they parasitically prey upon their societies. So they are using the governments they control to destroy their competitors at tax payer expense (the taxes they are not paying because they have laundered their profits in the tax havens they control). When you turn society into a cesspit don't be surprised when the biggest pieces of shit float to the to

  • Doesn't it have to say Puerto Rico where it says Costa Rica? The former is a US territory, where the US oviously has jurisdiction. The other is an independent country like for instance Antigua and Barbuda or Belize.
    • In 2014, Budovsky and several coworkers were arrested in Spain. Then Budovsky was extradited to the United States to face trial for money laundering and operating an unlicensed money transmitting business.

      He had legal problems in several countries, including the US, Costa Rica, and Spain. The US just got to be the ones to try him, though.

    • Re:Puerto Rico? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Saturday May 07, 2016 @09:40AM (#52066807)

      What is that "independence" you talk about? The only independence the US ever acknowledged is the one they themselves declared.

    • by swalve ( 1980968 )
      The crime was committed in the US, against US citizens. Why wouldn't the US have jurisdiction?
  • I remember this (Score:5, Insightful)

    by JustAnotherOldGuy ( 4145623 ) on Saturday May 07, 2016 @09:21AM (#52066745) Journal

    I remember this, and I remember thinking at the time that this guy was probably going to get in a shitload of trouble.

    He was basically thumbing his nose at the government while playing fast and loose with the currency laws. He was soooooooooo sure that they couldn't touch him because he insisted that he "had the law on his side".

    And he may well have, technically speaking, but he lost sight of the fact that "having the law on your side" has never stopped the government from jamming people up if they feel like it. And although it took a while, that's exactly what they did.

    Quite a few people who were knowledgeable in currency matters at the time told everyone in no uncertain terms to "stay the hell away" from this guy's scheme, and it turns out that that was good advice.

    • with the "law on your side". It's basically what Bain capital does. They're clearly buying companies in bad faith and then gutting them for their assets; paying themselves obscene consulting fees while they do it. Everyone knows they do it too. The difference is Romney & Co spent their youth studying law and how to go about it. Romney wasn't screwing around in school like doubleya was. He was studying his ass off to pull the kind of corporate maneuvers needed to rob companies blind.

      The sad thing is
      • I don't know anyone I'd listen to saying "Regulation's bad, m'kay". Everyone I trust and respect says that regulations are necessary for society to function, including in the USA. Hell, Adam Smith said that the only job of the Government was to establish regulations to prevent abuse. He further said that the lack of Government regulation was why mercantilism failed.

        The problems people do complain about are that regulation has become a weapon for the rich to maintain power and control. It's Government ba

        • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday May 07, 2016 @04:54PM (#52068145)
          an the way into work some day. Rush, G Gordon, Glen Beck and the like. It's fairly pervasive. You may not respect the folks who think like this but here's the problem: they vote. American politics isn't about who's right or wrong, it's about who votes. Because we're a two party winner take all system. That's why Trump made it so far and why he might be our next president. My local senator is freaking the hell out because I'm in Arizona and it's possible there might be enough hispanics that make it to the polls to vote against Trump to unseat him. Pay attention to how I wrote that. I didn't say "bother to vote" I said "Make it to the polls" because there's a _lot_ of voter surpression going on. We had 60 polling places in Phoenix, Az this year. We usually have 200. That wasn't an accident...
          • an the way into work some day. Rush, G Gordon, Glen Beck and the like.

            Look, only two kinds of people listen to those dickheads. One, our corporate masters, who are looking for validation. They find it there. Two, ne'er do wells who can safely be ignored. Their state electors don't need their advice to know what to do.

          • Liddy retired in 2012.
    • by Livius ( 318358 )

      "having the law on your side" has never stopped the government

      I have to disagree that it's never stopped the government, though I will concede that it hasn't for a long time.

    • by swalve ( 1980968 )
      What law did he have on his side?
      • What law did he have on his side?

        Hell, I don't know. But he had apparently done a bunch of research and had come to the conclusion that what he was doing was legal, albeit somewhat unorthodox.

        And for all I know, he may have been correct, but it didn't stop the feds from throwing him in prison for 20 years. Which is insane when you think about it, because you can rape a child or murder someone and you won't get 20 years.

  • by dnaumov ( 453672 ) on Saturday May 07, 2016 @09:27AM (#52066759)

    He was arrested in Spain for running a business in Costa Rica. How exactly does the US have even the slightest jurisdiction to prosecute him?

    • Because Spain has no aircraft carriers.

      • by fnj ( 64210 )

        He was arrested in Spain for running a business in Costa Rica. How exactly does the US have even the slightest jurisdiction to prosecute him?

        Because Spain has no aircraft carriers.

        Re: Spain: so when was the last time the USA used an aircraft carrier against anyone besides defenseless brown or yellow people? So what is Spain's ACTUAL excuse for knuckling under?

        • Re:What? (Score:5, Informative)

          by NotAPK ( 4529127 ) on Saturday May 07, 2016 @11:13AM (#52067067)

          Without any knowledge of this case, I would guess that it's "trade sanctions".

          The US typically walks in and tells everyone how it's going to go down, or else trade sanctions.

          The US is a nation of bullies, just look at Cuba, an independent nation doing THEIR OWN THING and the US has just given them shit for decades. And before you go all ape shit at me over the "Missile Crisis" just have a bit of perspective: the US has missiles and other military forces stationed all over Europe and Asia, very close to Russia. Most people, reading a factual account of the USA-USSR cold war will interpret the USA to be the aggressors. Don't flame me, just think about it.

          I recommend the BBC documentary The Cold War [youtube.com] as a great starting point. Yes, it's almost 24 hours long, but it's an excellent independent portrayal of the entire Cold War and has some excellent interviews with world leaders from the time.

          • by Anonymous Coward

            The USA war machine wanted a war, but Kennedy didn't. The war machine was preparing propaganda about how the ruskies were are worst adversaries. Kennedy did a fine job navigating that situation. Some of his staff tried to back stab him, he found out because he had some trustworthy people in office as well. And the crisis was averted.

            Kennedy also didn't want to get involved in Vietnam. He was on record (before he was president) saying that he didn't want no parts of it. Colonization of Vietnam was impossible

            • by khallow ( 566160 )

              Kennedy also didn't want to get involved in Vietnam.

              But he got involved anyway. Sometimes the worst problems come from the people who didn't want to get involved allegedly, but decided to meddle anyway.

          • Re:What? (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Saturday May 07, 2016 @12:19PM (#52067259)

            The whole reason for the Russians putting missiles on Cuba was the US putting missiles into Turkey.

            And lo and behold, the Russians removed their missiles from Cuba and the US removed them from Turkey. Guess it took a knife to the throat of the US to realize that it's not a comfortable feeling.

        • Your puerile claims of racism are boring.

          Any time the US sends an aircraft carrier to some place that's giving the US grief, that's using the carrier against them. Neither China nor Russia is defenseless.

      • it got decommissioned 3 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

        But I guess you could put it back in duty if you wanted.

    • by westlake ( 615356 ) on Saturday May 07, 2016 @12:50PM (#52067361)

      He was arrested in Spain for running a business in Costa Rica. How exactly does the US have even the slightest jurisdiction to prosecute him?

      The short answer is that jurisdiction lies where the body falls and not on which side of the border the gun is fired.

      It is the first mistake the geek makes when he turns to crime and moves his base of operations ---- but not his customers and his marketing ----outside the US.

      • Here in the USSA, out kangaroo kourts assert universal imperial jurisdiction. Unless you're residing in one of only two countries strong enough to retain actual sovereignty over their territory, it doesn't matter where you are, what citizenship you hold, or where your customers are located. Anger the American oligarchy and they WILL kidnap you, show you off in a monkey trial, and throw you into the torture camps of the Gulag to suffer and rot for decades.

        • by swalve ( 1980968 )
          You can say that about any country. What country just throws up its arms and says "well, this bad guy jumped the border, I guess he's not guilty." Come on.
    • Re:What? (Score:4, Informative)

      by BitterOak ( 537666 ) on Saturday May 07, 2016 @01:30PM (#52067519)

      He was arrested in Spain for running a business in Costa Rica. How exactly does the US have even the slightest jurisdiction to prosecute him?

      Most likely some of his customers where American. That's how it usually works. People have also been arrested and convicted in the U.S. for running offshore Internet casinos that took bets from Americans. A marijuana seller in Canada was sentenced to 5 years in a U.S. prison because some of his customers were American. The moral of the story: if you want to run a business that violates U.S. law, don't do business with Americans!

      • by Anonymous Coward

        In other words: don't ever do business with Americans. It's not worth the risk.

      • The moral of the story: if you want to run a business that violates U.S. law, don't do business with Americans!

        Eh, it's a bit more nuanced than that. You can also run it from a country that is angry with America, so long as they aren't likely to turn around and extradite you tomorrow.

      • by dryeo ( 100693 )

        A marijuana seed seller and politician (founder of the marijuana party) was extradited and thrown in prison for 5 years even though the extradition treaty said he shouldn't be extradited (unequal punishment), thanks to a very pro-American right wing government.
        (Marc Emery)

    • by swalve ( 1980968 )
      Because the people of the united states were victims of his crimes.
  • The US Government, meanwhile, actively encourages illegal international money transfers. How, do you ask?

    Operation Choke Point, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Choke_Point) by the DOJ, has been steadily pressurising banks to deny settlement accounts to money transfer operators - companies that process remittances for people (usually immigrants) sending money to their family overseas. This is despite very high standards of KYC and due diligence that is required for these transfers, both from the sen

  • If a prosecutor can prove that money is being laundered in support of some specific crime, then by all means file charges for that crime. But if he has no idea whether a crime has been committed, charge with "handling money that I think is suspicious."

    • see 'civil asset forfeiture'. cops can steal your cash if you carry 'too much' on you. or even if you put cash under your seat (its now 'hidden compartment' and under drug laws, that's enough for them to take it and never give it back).

      there's a certain smell coming from the laws we have passed over the past 30 or so years. you guys smell it? its pretty bad. hope someone opens a window, at least.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07, 2016 @10:34AM (#52066967)

    "She said Budovsky did not show "genuine remorse," according to the Department of Justice"

    They don't just want to punish you. They want you to convert to their way of thinking.

    They don't just want to punish you. They want your mind. They want your soul.

  • ..which is exactly what should happen to Bitcoin.

    (Bracing for incoming negative moderation, insults, incoherent babbling about 'rights' or somesuch, death threats, etc etc etc)

    Oh, come on, leave off with the irrational nonsense, bitcoin is used at least as much for illegal things, if not more, than it is for legitimate things. If you can't see that, then you're not looking in the right places. If you're just denying it, then one has to wonder what questionable, if not outright illegal, things you're up to
  • by Anonymous Coward

    anything can happen if you in some way stand in the way of the U.S. Dollar, the bloodiest of all currencies.

  • I don't follow digital currencies, so I consider it possible that the government accusations are correct. Unfortunately, they lie so often that my default assumption has become that they are lying.

    So I'm assuming that this is another blatant abuse of power. I'm not sure, but what trustworthy source could I check against? If the accusations are correct, neither he nor his supporters are going to admit it. And the government statements are uselessly unreliable.

  • I know some one else who ran a money laundering business for many years and made billions. He then started two highly innovation companies that are changing the future. His name is Elon Musk and that company still exists, PayPal.

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