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Microsoft Removes the 'X' From Windows 10 Update Leaving No Way Out (theregister.co.uk) 664

simpz writes: The Register reports that Microsoft has changed the Windows 10 update dialog and no longer shows the "X" close button. They say once agreed to there is no obvious back-out method and it is now out of step with Microsoft's own documentation on this. They have a screenshot of this. As noted above, the latest move is out of step with Microsoft's Knowledge Base documentation, which says you can re-schedule your upgrade.
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Microsoft Removes the 'X' From Windows 10 Update Leaving No Way Out

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  • alt-f4 (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:28PM (#52237465)

    Try Alt-f4. Works on many apps and usually forgotten by most devs.

    • Maybe - except that Microsoft already take it as "OK" if you close the window. The only way is to refuse ALL updates until it's safe. And even then, be prepared to nuke your hard disk from orbit.
      • Ransome-ware (Score:5, Insightful)

        by goombah99 ( 560566 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:42PM (#52237589)

        It seems like a thin line between what MS is doing and what ransom wear does. Both force you to comply with some demand or lose access to your computer.

        • Re:Ransome-ware (Score:5, Informative)

          by SCPaPaJoe ( 767952 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:52PM (#52237653)
          don't agree to the license agreement. Done. End of discussion.
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            Unless the restore fails ... then what? Plenty of laptops no longer have a dvd, so it's not like you can easily install linux or bsd afterwards, and to install from usb requires that you already have a distro that runs off the usb - and many of them, despite claims to the contrary, won't boot following instructions.
            • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

              by Hylandr ( 813770 )

              Download a bootloader and disable automatic updates in services, as well as the windows installer, activating that only when you want to install an app.

              Then install GWX Control panel as an extra measure of removing yourself from the collective.

              Also find your scheduled tasks folder and delete everything there. There's hooks in that folder that will start certain upgrade paths for you.

              Be sure to have a good Antivirus, and be ready to never receive another update unless you download it and apply it manually.

          • by Dunbal ( 464142 ) *
            License agreement is not a "I'm going to make mischief on your computer and there's fuck all you can do about it" agreement.
        • Re:Ransome-ware (Score:4, Insightful)

          by CanadianMacFan ( 1900244 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @07:31PM (#52237977)

          Yes but at least with ransom ware you can usually pay them and get your computer back to where it was before.

        • Re:Ransome-ware (Score:4, Interesting)

          by rtb61 ( 674572 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @08:39PM (#52238329) Homepage

          It is even a thinner line between what M$ is doing and what conspiracy theorists could make of M$'s seemingly desperate bid to force as many users as possible onto Windows 10, where M$ has total control and can change anything they want at each and every compulsory upgrade. Shut down all windows computers during a specific planetary event, silence all political talk on issues that M$'s board approves but the majority rejects, shut down computers during critical election moments, silence all protest et al. This stuff is getting seriously out of hand and pretty wacked, it is getting very hard to understand what M$ is doing and why governments are accepting it, this is getting to be pretty wacked stuff, insane behaviour by a corporation. It already has to be accepted that prying into everything small and medium business is doing and what the employees of major businesses are doing, gives them a powerful ability to collude with the banksters in a massive insider trading scheme to generate billions, that is what you do with the data they are analysing and the very reason why it should be banned outright.

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by exomondo ( 1725132 )

            Shut down all windows computers during a specific planetary event, silence all political talk on issues that M$'s board approves but the majority rejects, shut down computers during critical election moments, silence all protest et al. This stuff is getting seriously out of hand and pretty wacked, it is getting very hard to understand what M$ is doing and why governments are accepting it, this is getting to be pretty wacked stuff, insane behaviour by a corporation.

            Except they aren't doing any of those things, you made all that up, mainly because doing so would make absolutely no sense whatsoever nor would it have any impact. Microsoft may have a majority on desktop computing (interspliced with OSX, ChromeOS and other Linux distros) but they don't have even close to a controlling stake in personal computing which includes phones and tablets. How many people do you think are doing their "political talk" - or any social networking for that matter - from their Windows PC

        • by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @09:12PM (#52238513)

          I thought ransom wear was a burlap sack?

      • Re:alt-f4 (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:54PM (#52237663)

        False. Refuse all the optional updates, accept all the critical updates. You can easily configure windows update to do this.

        I have been running windows 7 like this, and never once seen a peep about windows 10 (except on the MS website, of course).

        • Re:alt-f4 (Score:5, Informative)

          by WheezyJoe ( 1168567 ) <fegg@excite.cCOFFEEom minus caffeine> on Thursday June 02, 2016 @07:53PM (#52238097)

          False. Refuse all the optional updates, accept all the critical updates. You can easily configure windows update to do this.

          THIS. I have Windows 7 with GWX Control Panel [ultimateoutsider.com] (reviewed here [thurrott.com]) installed,
          and under Control Panel --> Windows Update --> Change settings, I am set to "Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them",
          and (most important) "Recommended updates" is UN-checked.

          There is also a tool Never 10 [grc.com] (Peter Thurrott writes about it here [thurrott.com]). But always make sure you make the changes above to Windows Update.

          When updates announce themselves, accept only those updates for Windows listed "critical" and "security", as well as Windows Defender updates. That's it.

          So far, no problems on any of my systems. MS is being pretty shitty about all this, but they haven't yet stooped to calling 10 a critical/security update. However, anyone not savvy enough to take the above steps (e.g., parents) might be in for some trouble. So, spread the word, or suffer endless calls from suffering masses.

        • by Dunbal ( 464142 ) *
          This will just lead to Microsoft to move their Windows 10 shit into the "critical category". Turn OFF Windows update. Back up your important files (like you should be doing anyway). Don't click through random crap from your mail/internet browser. End of story.
      • Re:alt-f4 (Score:5, Funny)

        by nmb3000 ( 741169 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @07:07PM (#52237775) Journal

        Maybe - except that Microsoft already take it as "OK" if you close the window.

        ALT+F4 sends the WM_CLOSE message to a window, where the default message handler cleans up and closes the window. Reassigning that to call the same method that the OK or Save buttons do would be against conventions, convoluted, dastardly, and require malicious intent.

        So.... yeah. It probably launches the Windows 10 update installer immediately.

    • Give it the three finger salute instead.
  • Unbelievable. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:31PM (#52237487)

    The power of inertia is incredible. I can't imagine putting up with a vendor that treats their customers this way.

  • a fix (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:34PM (#52237511)

    https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

  • by cfalcon ( 779563 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:35PM (#52237515)

    Technically this is an improvement- it is no longer a dark pattern, there's no more trick. Obviously the sane thing to do is to simply stop forcing this OS change on the users, but each Windows 10 user must generate so much ad revenue that it is worth trying to stomp out each and every one.

    Anyway, whatever. Install Linux, that's your only long term fix. You can turn off updates in Windows 7 or 8, or you can get some binary that tries to fight Microsoft on this, or you can do some doodlefuck in the registry. The point is, you're fighting the OS distributor, who is no longer trustworthy. Install Linux, or you must like this shit.

    Shill prediction: At some point in the near future, the "free upgrade" goes away. At this point, however, they'll still offer it for free for users of assistive technology: ( https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.c... [microsoft.com] ). That's nice of them, but that *probably* means that pretty much anyone will still be able to get it for free, by turning this on. So the shill prediction is: that this becomes a "cool trick" that gets posted on forums and stuff, at some people looking to "pull one over" on Microsoft.

    Windows 10 uses you. You're the revenue source, because they sell ads. Of course they are willing to let you be a revenue source at no cost to them!

    • each Windows 10 user must generate so much ad revenue that it is worth trying to stomp out each and every one

      they could learn from the masters... On the new Kindle there's ads on the screensaver/lock screen. If you don't want to see ads, you have to pay Amazon $20 on top of the $125 or more for the device.

      Now THAT is innovation. Ad-supported paid devices.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by exomondo ( 1725132 )

      Windows 10 uses you. You're the revenue source, because they sell ads. Of course they are willing to let you be a revenue source at no cost to them!

      You were the revenue source before as well, except that you handed them money. There's no such thing as a free lunch, that's why the upgrade to Windows 10 costs nothing. Google has well and truly proven this model for many years and the vast majority of people love it, it doesn't cost you anything except having the occassional advert presented. Microsoft has jumped on the software model that Google proved out, that people prefer ads to upfront monetary charges. Microsoft is late to the game in that regard s

  • by speedlaw ( 878924 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:37PM (#52237541) Homepage
    All this time, I thought that was a joke.
  • Reject the EULA (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:37PM (#52237543)

    Just reject the license upon reboot. Previous version restored!

    • Re:Reject the EULA (Score:5, Informative)

      by by (1706743) ( 1706744 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:54PM (#52237661)
      Not sure why this is modded down -- I walked into the lab one day to realize that our computer had decided to upgrade to 10. I rejected the EULA, and it restored 7 (it didn't even take too long).
      • Re:Reject the EULA (Score:5, Informative)

        by DaHat ( 247651 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @10:44PM (#52238959)

        It works, but there can be negative side effects... great example being the TPM.

        If you've a TPM in use under 8.1 (at least), after upgrading to 10 it will be tweaked in such a way that it will only work in 10, even after a reset/reinstall of the OS to a lower version.

        Worse, because of the changes, the 8.1 UI is unable to clear the TPM so you can re-take ownership of it. Even PS TPM Cmdlets fail you... only a non obvious WMI call can get you back to normal.

        Source: I hit this on my personal SP3 after I ran screaming from 10 on it (though run it elsewhere in my home happily).

    • This! mod the parent back up.
    • Re:Reject the EULA (Score:5, Insightful)

      by CanadianMacFan ( 1900244 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @07:35PM (#52238005)

      So you just waste a bunch of gigs of bandwidth (not everyone has unlimited) and time for the install and restore. Then you repeat this when it tries the update again. Plus the chance that the restore might not work properly. I'm not saying that it won't work but that it does have some negatives.

  • by QuietLagoon ( 813062 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:37PM (#52237549)
    Microsoft is just digging itself deeper and deeper into a hole, from which it may never be able to extract itself. Enjoy your sprint to the bottom, Microsoft.
  • by imidan ( 559239 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:40PM (#52237573)

    The close button (red X) didn't work as users expected. It was a user interface failure, and Microsoft solved the problem. Now the dialog box correctly tells users, as MS intends, that their options are to upgrade now or schedule a time for upgrade. No more users getting surprised and outraged when closing the dialog box results in an unexpected Windows 10 upgrade.

    Whether or not you are a fan of MS's upgrade approach, this is a solution to the UI problem. We can still be outraged about forced upgrades, but this isn't a terrible fix.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Whether or not you are a fan of MS's upgrade approach, this is a solution to the UI problem.

      No, it is not a fix. The only two options are now and also later. There is not a no option.

  • How is this legal? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Does it bother anyone else that effectively you have to stop getting ALL important security, performance, and stability updates for Windows 7 just to avoid the debacle that is Microshit's managing of Windows 10's rollout? I have absolutely no intention of EVER installing Windows 10, or for that matter any future version of windows. After Windows 7 becomes too old to do what I need, I'm moving to linux full time. How can this behavior be legal, or even acceptable? Can this be reported to the better business
  • by RyanFenton ( 230700 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:43PM (#52237603)

    Seriously, this could all be parody, and at this point, no one would be able to tell.

    It's kind of like recent decades of of the political process: Take normal political lying, intersperse it with assurances that "Oh, now we're going to make EVERYTHING better - government is not the solution WE ARE... when we're government, that is."... then they get in, and it's like 10x more cynical rules being passed.

    That said, pessimism is misleading too. PLENTY of scummy businessmen have dreamt of pushing these same models, but were rejected soundly by smaller customer bases - it just takes longer for Microsoft to fall the same way IBM and other scummy folks did.

    Also, for politics, if you look at the ages of yellow journalism in ages past, the populace was truly more deeply ignorant in the past, and the politics even more cynical, with death as a much more common side effect of that cynicism - things are genuinely better, which actually makes it relatively shocking to see some small degree of backsliding towards a less classically liberal path. Despite the 'overton window' of recent decades and news, we're actually amazingly liberal in terms of actual policies, with no real show of that stopping.

    But yeah - this crap with windows quadrupling down on their spyware-like 'upgrade' practices is in the same vein - an amazing throwback to scummy ideas I'd thought the 'marketplace of ideas' rejected to soundly everyone should still remember not to use them.

    I guess we have to keep relearning those things.

    Ryan Fenton

    • by Rei ( 128717 )

      It's kind of like recent decades of of the political process

      Voting machine: "When do you want to schedule a vote for Donald Trump? 1) Choose a time, 2) Vote for Trump now, or 3) Skip."
      User: "3) Skip."
      Voting machine: "Your scheduled vote for Donald Trump has not been changed and will take effect shortly."
      User: "Hey!"

      (calls the manufacturer)

      User: "Your voting machine is rigged! The skip button doesn't actually skip the vote.
      Manufacturer: "Our sincere apologies; we'll get it fixed immediately."

      (A short time

  • by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:48PM (#52237629) Journal

    Menu of Choices:

    1. Upgrade to Windows 10
    2. Upgrade to Windows 9 + 1
    3. Get Windows 10 for Free!
    4. Install the latest Windows version from Microsoft
    5. Restart your computer, and then have it automatically install Windows 10
    6. Let Microsoft decide for you
    7. Ten, Windows, upgrade to. -Yoda
    8. Just do it, dammit, it probably won't kill you
    9. Go to 1.

  • My mother (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    My mother just blew through her data cap on her Verizon hotspot yesterday. I could't figure out how she could have used 6.5 GB in one day, then I realized Microsoft had downloaded Windows 10 to her machine. She really needs to learn a new UI at this point in her life, she's 85 and half blind. Now she also gets to pay data overages from her $500 a month of social security that she's living on. Actually, I will be paying it, and will also have to drive and hour and half to go un-fuck her machine. These p

  • If you find yourself in this inescapable forced upgrade:
    Pull the plug, then don't turn your computer back on until Microsoft has gone out of business.

  • by wierd_w ( 1375923 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @07:08PM (#52237793)

    There lies the domain of the MS Marketing director, who having submitted to the mandatory prefrontal lobotomy (a corporate requirement for the position), sits within the pallid cool glow of his curved LED monitor, simply cannot fathom what is making the users angry.

    "It costs too much!" he mocks. "Make it free like OSX!"

    So we do-- We make it a free update! We put it on Windows update, so it is convenient. Our telemetry tells us that most of our users dont subscribe to MSDN news sources, so we make it super easy to inform them about the update with the GWX app...

    But there is no pleasing them!

    First, they say that using windows update to spread awareness is a misuse of the critical update delivery pipeline-- So, we deploy additional telemetry software to verify the claim, and help synergize with development for the new programming apis we will use going forward, and now they complain we are spying on them!

    So, we install those telemetry updates in updates more specific to that development harmonization, and they freak out even more!

    Corporate wants to know why these users arent on board with windows 10, despite the free upgrade, and wont get off my back! What am I supposed to tell them, since those users keep uninstalling the telemetry suite that would let us know more about the issue!

    Now, to top it all off, they complain about the functionality of the close button widget.

    Ok, so we change the behavior-- they are still mad.

    Ok, so we REMOVE the widget-- Even angrier!!

    What is it that these people want!!?

    (at this point, an intern enters the dread specter of marketing's office with a thick slab of useless paper copy to make his daily delivery, since despite email being a thing for over a decade, there are those in corporate that still insist on old fashioned interoffice memos. In a quivering, mewling tone reminiscient of a prepubescent youth, the freckled mouse of a man hazards a conjecture to his corporate master, knowing the perils of doing so.)

    Perhaps they just dont want the update, and dont want to be told about it anymore?

    At this, the dread specter of marketing erupts into a ballmer-esque frenzy, toppling his chair, and spraying thick droplets of foaming spittle as he rages--

    DONT WANT THE UPDATE!? DONT WANT IT!?

    he shrieks, grabbing the thick slab of papers from the poor interns hands, then throwing them in the air.

    FIRST THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT HAVING TO PAY EVERY 3 YEARS, THEN WHEN WE RESTRUCTURE FOR THE NEW ADVERT MODEL, THEY DONT WANT THE UPDATE!?

    Cowering on the floor, desperately trying to recover and recollate the precious memos that justify his position in the company, the intern timidly responds.

    Perhaps they wanted us to respect their choice of when to do the update?

    FUCK-EM! the prince of darkness snarls, returning to his desk and grabbing the back of his chair in a livid clawing motion. WE HAVE A SCHEDULE TO MEET, AND WE ARE BENDING OVER BACKWARDS FOR THESE INGRATES!

    Does that mean that we will proceed with the forced updates sir?

    The room fills with a thick, suffocating silence for a good seconds, as the knuckles on the back of the chair turn white with rage-clenching, followed by unnatural relaxation. In a now buttery smooth, and altogether inhumanly relaxed tone, the dread specter of marketing smiles deeply..

    Of course we will. We owe it to them, after all.

  • by Smiddi ( 1241326 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @07:12PM (#52237825)
    After 15+ years with Microsoft windows, including Microsoft certification and working in the industry for most of those years, I switched over to MacOS about a year ago due to the "forced on you" mindset Microsoft is now employing. I can see why Linux and MacOS are gaining ground. Now if we can only get games to run under Linux and MacOS (real games, not ones released 6 years ago) and that will be the fall of Microsoft.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    This is an F'ing nightmare for me. I provide computer support for my extended family, many of which are up in years and are finally happy with their computer and the programs they use. Things have been good for 3+ years or so and stable, as I purchased all their computers for them with pre-installed Windows 7 Home Premium. Now I get called about this "popup" on their screen that they don't know what to do with. Initially I told them to just close the window, then later (I missed the change) one of the c

    • ... how to answer the question "the mail doesn't work anymore". For this same reason please don't suggest that I "switch to Linux" because that doesn't solve my problem

      I understand what you're saying and why you're saying it. But I will offer a counter-example. Whether or not it's valid for your situation, I of course can't say.

      My wife is not particularly computer literate and has a habit of clicking on anything and everything. So some little while ago I moved her to Linux Mint. I made sure she had her bookmarks and browser settings ... and that was just about it. She has no idea that there is Linux and there is Windows and that they are different. She has simple needs, a

  • Simple Permanent Fix (Score:4, Interesting)

    by MountainLogic ( 92466 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @07:29PM (#52237967) Homepage
    You can do what I did, go to Frys with a wheelbarrow full of cash and buy a Mac. I'm an embedded firmware developer and often need windows based compilers for microcontroller development. (sorry, not everything iCPU is supported by open source compilers). After I was forced to work under parallels for windows work last year I have never looked back. Even windows is more stable under osx. It is hard to blame microsoft developers for all the instabilities as every peripheral maker drops their own conflicting and half baked drivers into the mix. I've been living with dos and windows since it was the next new thing and I'm glad to see the back side of windows machines. Only thing that still drives me nuts is the disjoint copy and paste meta keys when moving test between windows and parallels/windows - it just hurts my brains and muscle memory.
    • by willy_me ( 212994 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @09:07PM (#52238481)

      Parallels is a pain in the ass. Every time Mac OS updates you have to update to a new version of Parallels. And those updates cost (typically). I believe they have sorted out most of their driver problems now, but it used to be that installing Parallels would cause nothing but problems for me.

      Bring in VirtualBox. I also do embedded development (Linux host) and VirtualBox saves me when I need a Windows app. The GPU drivers suck but this is typically not a big deal when doing embedded development. Overall, I actually prefer it. If it cost the same as Parallels I would still use VirtualBox.

  • No, that's not the operating system bought.

  • No, you are rationalizing a decision to do something to someone.

    The non-decision to click next to everything, which is where the "install recomended updates automatically" option pops up during first product activation, is an automatic one TO USE THE COMPUTER. It does not mean "rape me!"

    Even if it did mean what you try so hard to say it means, the user may well decide that yes, they want updates to the OS they have installed-- not to install a new OS, especially since the OS they currently have has 4 more y

  • by Archfeld ( 6757 ) <treboreel@live.com> on Thursday June 02, 2016 @10:44PM (#52238953) Journal

    CTRL+ALT+DEL
    Then from the task manager kill the GWX process.
    Then change the windows update manager to never check, and then hide the windows 10 update.
    Alternately there a several 3rd party apps that will take full control of the update process allowing you to dictate when, how, and what kind of updates you want and get.

    You can always set your system to not get anything but critical updates, but someday M$ will decide that getting Win10 is critical, to either them or you.

  • by Required Snark ( 1702878 ) on Friday June 03, 2016 @03:34AM (#52240049)
    In all the posts, which go all over the map, no one is asking the most important question: why is Microsoft desperately forcing Windows 10 down everyone's throat?

    Obviously the answer is revenue. There are lots of savings to be had. It's much cheaper to maintain one OS rather them multiple versions of the OS. (BTW, expect big layoffs at MS real soon now. Anyone who mostly works on OS code that is not tied to 10 should have their resume all polished up. Blood will flow in Redmond.)

    But that part is not enough to explain the ridiculous methods that are being used. When the only way to insure that 10 is not installed on your computer is to never attach it to the internet, there is something else going on. And it must be revenue driven.

    The likely answer is that Microsoft is planning on going to a de facto subscription model. Users will have to pay every year to keep their copy of the OS working. Same for Office, Excel, etc. Individual users will end up paying the full purchase cost every year for each piece of software, or maybe half the full price. Of course there will be "bundled" discounts like the phone companies offer, but that won't do much for your elderly relatives. And there will be student rates, but the vast majority will be paying through the nose.

    Microsoft lost the revenue war to Apple.They missed out on the iPhone and iWatch. They were late to the cloud as well. Android has driven all the nails into the coffin for the phone/tablet market, which is where the growth will be.Their only play is to fully exploit their monopolist power and embrace extortionist capitalism.

    The EU will scream like a stuck pig, but MS already has a strategy in place to deal with them. It will be delay by a series of holding actions, and then eventually have data centers in Europe to satisfy privacy conditions. They might even agree to pay more taxes, which will be less painful given the profits they rake in.

    The big growth will be in China, Russia and India, where MS will help the government track everyone. They will do for these countries what the NSA has done to the US. Every computer will be a full time spy. Local data centers with 100% access to the contents of all computers. It is possible that the US will take advantage of this as well. Not that anyone will ever hear about it.

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