Firefox 47 Arrives With Synced Tabs Sidebar, Better YouTube Playback (venturebeat.com) 129
An anonymous reader quotes a report from VentureBeat: Mozilla today launched Firefox 47 for Windows, Mac, Linux, and Android. The browser has gained a sidebar for synced tabs from other devices, improvements to YouTube playback and HTML5 support, and is seeing the end of support for Android Gingerbread. [If you're logged in with your Firefox Account, the sidebar will show all your open tabs from your smartphone and other computers. The sidebar even lets you search for specific tabs. Next, Firefox 47 supports the open source VP9 video codec on machines with powerful multiprocessors. VP9 is the successor to VP8, both of which fall under Google's WebM project of freeing web codecs from royalty constraints.] Firefox 47 is available for download on Firefox.com, and will be slowly released on Google Play. You can view the full Firefox 47 changelog here. If you're a developer, Firefox 47 for developers offers more details for you.
Netflix @ 1080p? (Score:1)
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Silverlight is also used by Amazon Video and Netflix for their instant video streaming services, but Netflix said in its Tech Blog in 2013 that, since Microsoft had announced the end of life, they would be moving to HTML5 video.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
The above argument is as irrelevant as Microsoft is.
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What about Firefox's declining market share? (Score:4, Insightful)
I looked at the latest browser market share stats [caniuse.com] after hearing about this new version of Firefox.
Firefox now has only about 6% to 7% of the market. That's across all versions, on desktop and mobile.
To put that into perspective, Firefox is well behind desktop Chrome, which is over 25%, and Chrome for Android, which is at 18%. Even UC Browser for Android is well above Firefox now, at almost 10% of the market.
Firefox is about as popular now as Safari for iOS 9.3 and IE 11. That's right, individual versions of non-Chrome browsers that support pretty much just one platform now have roughly the same number of users as Firefox does across all platforms and devices!
Even Opera Mini nearly has more users than Firefox does!
This decline in Firefox's market share should be sending shockwaves through Mozilla. Firefox is the only product of theirs that sees any significant use. They basically gave up on Thunderbird, the only other product of theirs that saw much use. Seamonkey never had many users to begin with. Persona and Firefox OS were total failures. Bugzilla is a legacy product. Rust and Servo are going nowhere.
Why, despite becoming more and more irrelevant each day, do we see such a complete lack of action on the part of Mozilla? Don't they realize that their existence depends on people using Firefox? Why would any company throw money at Mozilla if there aren't any Firefox users to perform searches or otherwise advertise to?
In any other organization there would be massive changes going on right now. Something is seriously wrong when a product goes from having 30% or more of the market down to 6% within only a few years.
Yet the best we've seen out of Mozilla has been the rather pointless Rust and Servo. Rust doesn't really improve on C++14, while having a lot of drawbacks (like only one implementation, lots of bugs in that implementation, a limited standard library, a steep learning curve, and lots of dead library projects, among others) that C++14 doesn't have. Servo is decades behind today's browsers, with no obvious hope of catching up any time soon.
It's so surreal when I look at this situation. The loss of market share and the response to it are unbelievable. But it's no wonder why it's happening. All of the unwanted changes made to Firefox starting with Firefox 4 explain perfectly why Firefox's market share has dropped. Imagine that, if users are treated like shit then they'll move to a competing product!
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Re:What about Firefox's declining market share? (Score:5, Interesting)
Firefox now has only about 6% to 7% of the market.
Considering that this includes mobile, where google thanks to being OS vendor has a head start, and where firefox came far too late to the game, and with a far too bad product, this number is quite high. It means millions of users world wide entrust firefox with their data.
Something is seriously wrong when a product goes from having 30% or more of the market down to 6% within only a few years.
The market has seen a giant growth (mostly caused by android) in the recent years. Before that, the market share was higher. If you look at absolute numbers, firefox didn't lose that much.
Rust and Servo are going nowhere.
I couldn't disagree more. Rust is being adopted by more and more people, although other languages like swift are more popular. And Servo is being improved right this moment, even though its still beta software.
Rust doesn't really improve on C++14
There is one huge improvement C++ never will dare to make: backwards compatibility. Rust is *not* backwards compatible with C, or earlier (and broken) versions of C++. If you don't use modern C++14 consistently, there might be benefits, but the actual potential is unleashed if you use 100% of the modern language. In a language which is backwards compatible to older versions of C++ or C, legacy programs won't likely migrate, or you will accidentially miss some pieces here and there.
a steep learning curve
That's where Rust is much better than C++14 at. C++ is a giant mess of trillions of different programming styles and legacy stuff down to pure C. Rust lacks these things.
only one implementation
I rather have something where there is one but working implementation of, than five different but non working ones. Also, there is much slower progress if multiple implementors have to find the best way to make a feature. Also consider that Rust is a very young language, and stable for since about one year.
Last but not least there is no real reason for somebody to start a second implementation. gcc was started because of proprietary compilers. clang was started because apple hated the GPL. If e.g. apple wants to integrate rustc into xcode, nobody stops them, rustc is MIT licensed.
lots of dead library projects
C++ has even more! Its the living projects that matter, not the dead ones.
Why would any company throw money at Mozilla if there aren't any Firefox users to perform searches or otherwise advertise to?
For now, it has worked out for Mozilla. But I agree, they should really do something about this situation.
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Multiple impls to fight trojaned compiler binaries (Score:3)
Last but not least there is no real reason for somebody to start a second implementation.
Yes there is. A language with only one implementation cannot so easily become a formal International Standard the way C and C++ are. Nor can a language with only one implementation support David A. Wheeler's diverse double-compiling [dwheeler.com], the most practical countermeasure to the "Trusting Trust" attack described by Ken Thompson.
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Well there was a history of how the Rust compiler was "first" compiled: in the beginning, it was written in OCaml, and then they re-implemented it in Rust, using the OCaml compiler to bootstrap it. Theoretically you could now check out the sources of the OCaml compiler and then compile the Rust compiler with it, step by step. This way you can "bootstrap" the trust from the OCaml compiler.
Non-INRIA implementations of OCaml? (Score:2)
So you choose to bootstrap from OCaml through old Rust to current Rust the way one would bootstrap from a C implementation through old g++ to modern g++. But this just shifts the bottleneck of the trojan origin to the OCaml binary. Is there an implementation of OCaml that is not from INRIA?
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I'm not 100% certain, but I think one of the two OCaml compilers is written in C. With this you can bootstrap OCaml from a language where multiple compiler vendors exist in order to bootstrap Rust.
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I can see from your comment that you've probably never actually written a line of code in Rust, nor have you actually tried Servo.
I've done both in fact, and yes Servo is immature, I never said anywhere that it was ready for anything.
Maybe I've exaggerated in my post by saying that it is "Beta". I should have rather said "pre-alpha".
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Keep in mind that one of the *reasons* to use firefox is because of plugins. Specifically adblock or ublock and noscript. So the 'numbers' may be wildly wrong.
I have personally been using both chrome and firefox consistently for the past 6 months (I switch every other day). There really is little difference from an end user POV. Chrome from my POV seems a bit janky but that could just be the version I am currently on. It just randomly will not render a page. Close it out come back in and it is fine.
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Considering that this includes mobile, where google thanks to being OS vendor has a head start, and where firefox came far too late to the game, and with a far too bad product, this number is quite high. It means millions of users world wide entrust firefox with their data.
The market has seen a giant growth (mostly caused by android) in the recent years. Before that, the market share was higher. If you look at absolute numbers, firefox didn't lose that much.
You're making excuses for statistics. Firefox has always been behind or late to the game. That didn't stop an incredible rise in popularity and usage years ago, and as such being late to mobile is no excuse either. Remember Google Chrome for mobile is NOT the default mobile browser in most versions of Android.
The fact that
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The fact that the growth has been non-Firefox is quite telling too. It means that people don't care too much what browser they use. It means that Firefox has a devoted fan base. It means that Firefox has a poor marketing strategy (go ahead and ask people if Firefox exists on Android and see if anyone knows).
I'm pretty sure this is god's honest truth. People who are aware of the technical differences between browsers do not swing the great "market share" % points up or down; they're the extreme minority. Most of the clients I encounter who use Chrome originally received it because it was automatically installed with CCleaner or Avast or whatever and they just didn't bother to uncheck the "gimme da bundleware!" box. That box is usually right next to the "Make this my default browser" box and the "Set Google a
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You're not a linux user then :-)
But you are right. Aside from Linux and maybe Mozilla / Canonical's own attempts at a mobile OS you don't see Firefox by default anywhere.
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But yeah you're right; Firefox is the default for many distros, even if they have to call it Iceweasel or some such.
Of course, then its competition is Chromium, rather than the heavily branded and marketed Chrome. I wonder how big the Chromium user base is...
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People who are aware of the technical differences between browsers do not swing the great "market share" % points up or down; they're the extreme minority
They are the minority, but they're also usually the free tech support guy for friends and family. In the past, I used to aggressively push Firefox to anybody I could, but I wouldn't do that for the current Firefox.
Given that Firefox doesn't have much else in the way of marketing, I wonder how big an impact the deliberate loss/disenfranchisement of their technical user base is having.
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You say there is a "complete lack of action" at Mozilla but you just have to look at the source repo, or the public forums, or blogs, to see that that's far from the case. So you clearly haven't looked at all.
Claiming "Rust doesn't really improve on C++14" shows that you don't understand the important innovations in Rust (e.g. strong ownership invariants and memory safety guarantees).
Claiming "all of the unwanted changes made to Firefox starting with Firefox 4" are a complete explanation for loss of market
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One of Mozilla's greatest assets (far more so than other browser developers) is its user community. What are you doing to ensure their products' continued survival? Personally, I evangelize Thunderbird and SeaMonkey to my friends and coworkers, at least when my advice is solicited or would be otherwise welcome, and at work I make sure our wiki contains instructions on getting Thunderbir
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To put that into perspective, Firefox is well behind desktop Chrome, which is over 25%, and Chrome for Android, which is at 18%. Even UC Browser for Android is well above Firefox now, at almost 10% of the market.
This has nothing, nothing I tell you to competing with a browser backed by the world's largest advertiser who also happens to own the world's largest mobile platform and isn't above abusing that to suppress competition.
For example: on my phone now the google search bar ALWAYS opens links in chrome,
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Yet the best we've seen out of Mozilla has been the rather pointless Rust and Servo.
Speak for yourself. Currently I use Chrome on desktop. Once most of Firefox has been redone in Rust, I'll switch to it. Why? Because if it's written in Rust, it's secure by design -- that's something I won't pass up, even if Chrome is faster or some pages don't work in FF.
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Re:Netflix @ 1080p? (Score:4, Insightful)
Does this mean Netflix in Firefox will finally run at 1080p? I almost switched to Chrome for this, but I'm too ingrained into Fx with the UI and my favorite plugins.
Why not just use both? Can't you just use Chrome for Netflix and Firefox for the rest? These are browers, not religions.
Anyone get that "undisclosed 0-day" figured yet? (Score:1, Interesting)
"If you're logged in with your Firefox Account, the sidebar will show all your open tabs from your smartphone and other computers"
That seems useful. Get hacked on all your devices at once. If it will speed the luddite uprising, I'm for it.
Re:Anyone get that "undisclosed 0-day" figured yet (Score:4, Informative)
"If you're logged in with your Firefox Account, the sidebar will show all your open tabs from your smartphone and other computers"
That seems useful. Get hacked on all your devices at once. If it will speed the luddite uprising, I'm for it.
I hate to burst your bubble but Chrome does this as well and please don't get me started on the Edge Browser. Looks like we are all doomed.
Glad for YouTube fix (Score:2, Informative)
Without knowing the exact details, am really glad for the YouTube fix. Was having a *lot* of issues and sometimes multiple-daily crashes when playing YouTube videos in FF recently to the extent that I dedicated Chrome browser to being the YouTube viewer. There definitely was something going on, although I wish they had mentioned more about the details in their blog post today.
Is amazing what Firefox has evolved into - what web browsers themselves have evolved into - and Firefox is really at the forefront
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Yes, Firefox is at the forefront of copying everything that the Chrome developers do.
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You change some UI quite easily. Adding A multi-process model is much harder, and getting as fast as chrome is even harder.
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Without knowing the exact details, am really glad for the YouTube fix. Was having a *lot* of issues and sometimes multiple-daily crashes when playing YouTube videos in FF recently to the extent that I dedicated Chrome browser to being the YouTube viewer. There definitely was something going on, although I wish they had mentioned more about the details in their blog post today.
Is amazing what Firefox has evolved into - what web browsers themselves have evolved into - and Firefox is really at the forefront of this in good ways although I wish it was more stable.
I have not had an issue with Firefox displaying YouTube videos although I did have a problem with a Chrome update a few months ago and changing one of my Chrome setting which in turn resulted in a strange display of YouTube videos. I did fix the issue since it was a configuration setup in Chrome but having a browser to drop back on enabled me to pinpoint the problem so much quicker.
On my PC I have access to multiple browsers and although I predominately use Chrome I have don't have any issue with using Fi
Zoom doesnt work (Score:2)
I upgraded to FF47 and found that the zoom stopped working
both buttons in the toolbar and the CNTRL + key
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It's working for me, perhaps a plugin conflict
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Looks that way, I turned off a few extensions and Zoom works again
Now I just https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/06/07/2055235/firefox-47-arrives-with-synced-tabs-sidebar-better-youtube-playback#have to narrow it down to which add-on is the problem...
It looks like Classic Theme Restorer
I had v1.52 installed
wonder if theres an update
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I have that,(classic theme..) not causing probs for me, possibly a setting. Talking of improving youtube, they havent, it can take 5-10 seconds for the interface to respond to clicks for me, might be ghostery or noscript though.
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Maybe nobody was working on that code in a while so they removed the feature?
How does the Synced Tabs sidebar work? (Score:3)
Does it include other Windows Firefox versions? (example my desktop, laptop and work machine? not just tablets / phones) so I can see what's open on what PC?
Can I "switch to" my work tab listing - without losing my home tab listing? Then switch back to home?
This finally sounds like an Ok feature, (for a change!)
I've recently found some plugins to FINALLY make Chrome a little more usable. (Refined tab control, closing order, opening position etc) - those Chrome features work on Sync too.
I've always been super hesitant about using Sync, just feels very much like a tracking and privacy concern - but the functionality of it in Chrome, means that every time I use chrome (and sign in) it's actually a "usable" browser to me now AND all the idiot stuff I need to do, to make Chrome usable, follows me.
Should I be considering this for Firefox too?
Re:How does the Synced Tabs sidebar work? (Score:5, Informative)
Firefox encrypts the synced data on the client side, the plaintext content never reaches the mothership. Chrome, coming from google, obviously does not.
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Sounds like you're as cynical about Chrome as I am. Christ I hate the inability to customise much with it and the staunch "our way or no way" attitude of Google on it.
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Chrome: Can move Extension Icons to the Hamburger menu. Can reorganize Extension via drag&drop.
Opera: Can Hide Extension icons. Cannot move them. Cannot reorganize Extension icons without hacking files.
Chrome: Internal Pages are less useful than Opera's.
Opera: Allows filter|find in many internal-pages that Chrome doesn't.
Chrome: No Sidebar.
All other Blink browsers have a sidebar. Except its underutilized, and all that is available for Opera are
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I hate it too, but Firefox has been slowly getting slower and slower, to the point where a couple weeks ago I said screw it, and switched to Chrome at home.
I'm thinking about seeing if I could set up Chromium from source, though, then I could probably fix at least a couple of the really minor irritations (like context menu items that should, but don't, have keyboard accelerators) in my own build, even if probably not any of the big ones.
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I use Firefox nightly to try and alleviate performance issues (believe it or not, stability is almost flawless (!?))
It's a little bit quicker than stock Firefox but not by a whole lot.
Use your own server (Score:2)
Improved Youtube Playback (Score:5, Interesting)
I did a comparison. A 1080p 60fps youtube video (HTML5) used 28-44% of my quad-core in Firefox 46 (usually around 33%). Upgraded to Firefox 47, and it only used 4-6%. I turned off Firefox's hardware acceleration and it still only used 22-25%. I know my friend with a core 2 duo was having trouble with HD youtube videos on Firefox.
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YouTube chokes less for me (Core2Duo, OS X), but it's still astonishingly difficult to get it to pause, switch back from full screen (takes 30 seconds or so), or return control of the browser.
Why is this so hard for Firefox? Seems like Chrome gets it right...
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On a Core2Duo you should be using Safari with ClickToFlash. That and max out mem with an SSD if you haven't already.
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I haven't had any playback issues but I've noticed it runs my laptop pretty hot. Does this get resolved as well or is this entirely different?
Mandatory Addon Signing (Score:4, Informative)
For the curious, sanity continues to prevail: mandatory addon signing [mozilla.org] has been pushed back again and xpinstall.signatures.required continues to function. Originally planned for version 46 it's now sitting at a possible version 48 release. With any luck the entire idea will be scrapped, but I encourage anyone who disagrees with this horrible signing policy to voice their opinion [mozilla.org].
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In my experience, 99% of the time, it's because it makes some unmaintained addons not work. Or they simply think issues with it aren't being addressed, despite Mozilla delaying in part to address any issues that are raised.
Once in a while you get someone who thinks that it's creating a "walled garden", but they're people who clearly have no idea what a walled garden is, or don't know how easy it is to bypass the restriction if they really wish to, or how easy it is to get non-questionable addons signed. Tho
Re: Mandatory Addon Signing (Score:1)
The biggest issue is that it was introduced in an update that proceeded to silently disable non signed addons, no warning given. Unless you went in to check, you were running without them. This included ones added for security. Anyone with half a brain can see why this was wrong.
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In my experience, 99% of the time, it's because it makes some unmaintained addons not work. Or they simply think issues with it aren't being addressed, despite Mozilla delaying in part to address any issues that are raised.
Once in a while you get someone who thinks that it's creating a "walled garden", but they're people who clearly have no idea what a walled garden is, or don't know how easy it is to bypass the restriction if they really wish to, or how easy it is to get non-questionable addons signed. Those people don't have much of an argument that doesn't boil down to "I don't trust Mozilla enough to let them do this, though I paradoxically trust them enough to run their browser in the first place."
The fundamental problem with mandatory addon signing is that it goes directly against what free and open software is all about. Freedom to use, modify, extend, and share. When Mozilla tells me that I cannot extend Firefox via an addon unless it gets the Mozilla Blessing, the browser is no longer free software. It doesn't matter if there's a special "Exempt Edition" for developers, or if they will currently automatically sign all addons. Their intent is clear and the road to hell has been paved.
To add in
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There's already a restriction on you sharing your own build of "Firefox". But the fix is easy enough, just use your own product name and logo's.
If addon signing is treated the same, I have no problem with this. Mozilla are allowed to specify the terms of their trademark. If you don't like those terms, the source is still open. You can fork it, re-brand it, and come up with your own terms.
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When they break my add-ons the last reason I still use FireFox will evaporate.
(If I could easily disable the auto-update of all Chrome extensions, I'd already be done with FireFox)
Better Youtube playback? (Score:3)
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You only care about the first 30 seconds anyway.
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First 30 seconds, last 30 seconds.
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For a lot of guys it's the same 30 seconds.
What does that mean? (Score:2)
"...and will be slowly released on Google Play."
What does that mean?
How does something get "slowly released"? Does that mean only certain people will see it available for download, or...?
Still broken (Score:2)
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I imagine that the decline in market share for Firefox has absolutely nothing to do with "the developers being unable to resist destroying it". Sure, on slashdot you'll hear people endlessly bitch and moan about Firefox (and frequently for good reason) but the average user probably doesn't give a shit about that stuff. The market share decline in Firefox is almost certainly due to one single reason: People opting into the ecosystem that their phone uses. What is killing Firefox is not having a dominate
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Pale Moon is Firefox 29 with some cherry-picked updates. I'd rather chew off my own leg than use an outdated browser that's basically maintained by one guy, especially when it doesn't really perform any better for me. But keep trying to hype PM up! Maybe one day it actually will become something significantly different from Firefox, and less of a security nightmare waiting to happen.
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I did exactly what you suggest over a year ago, for pretty much the same reasons. I haven't looked back.
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I've noticed that many web sites I visit no longer work correctly with Firefox. Using Pale Moon is like browsing with a 6+ month old version of Firefox, which is even worse. Chrome has such a large (and still growing) market share that more and more web developers appear to be using Chrome's proprietary scripting capabilities. I have three web browsers on my machine, starting with Pale Moon and then switching until the web site I want to visit actually fucking works.
At least in the old days, if you were
Denial of Firefox's problems is destroying it. (Score:4, Insightful)
Your comment is a perfect example of why Firefox is in such dire straights.
The GP listed numerous serious and very real problems that have been affecting Firefox for a long time now.
Yet instead of acknowledging the existence of these problems and the very negative effects that they have on Firefox's few remaining users, you (and others like you in the Mozilla community) totally ignore these problems.
Instead of doing something that would help fix these problems, you blabber on about "rights" and "principles" and nonsense like that.
It's no wonder users are fleeing Firefox and using Chrome instead: they're tired of being treated like shit by the Firefox community!
Instead of attacking and insulting those few Firefox users who are left, what if you and your kind started listening to these users?
When the users say they don't like Australis and the other unwanted UI changes, the correct response is to revert those changes, and not to insult those users.
When the users say they don't want Pocket, Hello, and other unwanted functionality forced on them, the correct response is to remove that functionality, and not to attack those users.
When the users say they want to see the performance improved and the memory usage decreased, the correct response is to improve the performance and decrease the memory usage, and not to belittle those users.
Firefox is on its death bed right now. The only hope it has for survival is if people like you start showing some respect to those Firefox users who still remain. That means offering them the browser that they want and are even begging for, rather than throwing disrespect and animosity at them!
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As a former employee, I'd say that they aren't consciously disrespecting the user, rather they are so sure of their righteous, world-savings selves, and so desperate to find revenue sources beyond search referrals, that they lose perspective. It's definitely an echo chamber. The browser engineers are still awesome, and there are lots of engineering teams working on awesome things, but they are carrying the majority of employees, who flail around and focus on pointless stuff.
Moreover, since at least 2011, th
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What gives him the right? Free speech. Just because something's free doesn't mean it's except from criticism.
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If I had mod points I'd mod you down. What gives you a right to dump on them? Its an Open Source project, totally free, totally dedicated to the right principles of freedom which is vastly more than much software. If you don't like it, develop your own or use another.
I don't recommend modding AC's down since it is a waste of your mod points. Sure you do get trolling which is not just confined to AC's but most people on Slashdot ignore them although some (not all) do deserve sarcastic, but not abusive replies.
On occasion, you do get AC's that come up with statements that are worth modding up.
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Please tell me you aren't one of those people who believe just because something's provided free of charge, it's therefore exempt from criticism.
If somebody leaves a bag of dog feces on your porch "for free", along with a note telling you how wonderful it will be when you scatter the contents around your garden, does that mean they're doing you a service?
I was an early adopter of Firefox. I started losing my enthusiasm a couple of years ago, with their decision to progressively get rid of all the things I
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Please tell me you aren't one of those people who believe just because something's provided free of charge, it's therefore exempt from criticism.
This is why I have four web browsers I can call on at a moments notice. I do have Chrome as my default browser but I don't have an issue with having to use a different browser on occasion since most actually support cross-transfer of your bookmarks. Personally, I don't have any issue with Firefox. If you don't like it or any browser for that matter you are perfectly entitled to do so. Constructive criticism I don't mind and I strongly encourage it, however, destructive criticism by swearing with little if a
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SlashdotMedia is a U.S. corporation.
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That's the fault of those oppressive governments not people from other countries. Why do you want (relatively) free people to compromise with tyranny?
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That's the fault of those oppressive governments not people from other countries. Why do you want (relatively) free people to compromise with tyranny?
My horse for a +1 point.
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}Does the Cassic-ui-plugin still work? :
If you meab Classic Theme Restorer, then no, I had that installed and with it active, Zoom didnt work (even by Keyyboard.
That was V1.52 of that plugin, maybe there will be an update