Trent Reznor: YouTube Is Built On the Back Of Stolen Content (theguardian.com) 428
An anonymous reader writes: Singer and record producer Trent Reznor has become the latest artist to attack Google's video service YouTube. "I find YouTube's business to be very disingenuous. It is built on the backs of free, stolen content and that's how they got that big," said Reznor in an interview with Billboard. Reznor was not speaking purely as an artist, however. He is also chief creative officer at Apple Music, the streaming service launched by Apple in 2015, which is one of the key rivals to YouTube in the digital music world. "I think any free-tiered service is not fair. It's making their numbers and getting them a big IPO and it is built on the back of my work and that of my peers. That's how I feel about it. Strongly," said Reznor, widening his criticism to other rivals like Spotify in the process.
YouTube had an IPO? (Score:5, Funny)
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Yeah, why is it that only when famous people say it, it becomes newsworthy? Even though everyone else thought it for years?
The ego... (Score:5, Insightful)
Never mind all of the car reviews, device reviews, musical gear reviews, prank shoes, and tutorials people watch on there............no, it's all about "his" stolen music.
Re:The ego... (Score:5, Funny)
What amazes me most is when Mr. Reznor dresses up as a young female Korean go player and manages to play go at pro level.
Or when he explains general relativity, as an American Professor , even posing weekly problems about space-time!
Or when he plays various of the lates videogames at pro skill level, perfectly characterized as a young american!
Or when he teaches lockpicking opening challenge locks in under a minute!
That Trent guy is AMAZING!
(However, now that I know about his amazing transformism ability, I'm a bit scared about Trent's implication in redtube)
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Sure you're not thinking of Bono instead of Trent ?
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I'm grateful to Trent for all the nature videos. He takes a lot of terrible risks to educate people about animals. Wrestling 'gators, pythons, being charged by bison in Yellowstone - he even fought off a bear that opened his car door! Trent is one hell of a superhero!
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Do you watch Bosnian Bill? That dude is awesome!
Anyway, what I really came to say is music videos where I actually came to hear the music: probably at a ratio of 1:500 to 1:1000 against videos of lock picking, machining, woodworking, oh, and also Hak5, and Russian car crash compilations. Only that last item has a problem with stolen content... but that's not why I go to YouTube.
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What amazes me most is when Mr. Reznor dresses up as a young female Korean go player and manages to play go at pro level.
Or when he explains general relativity, as an American Professor , even posing weekly problems about space-time!
Or when he plays various of the lates videogames at pro skill level, perfectly characterized as a young american!
Or when he teaches lockpicking opening challenge locks in under a minute!
That Trent guy is AMAZING!
(However, now that I know about his amazing transformism ability, I'm a bit scared about Trent's implication in redtube)
Seems incredible to me how one man can show millions of women how to do their make up just so. In his downtime he seems to play an awful lot of video games though.
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I do go to youtube for music videos sometimes. The thing is that the artists do get paid for them. For me YouTube is the replacement for MTV. What is really cool is that sometimes you can find "stolen" content that is just not available anywhere else like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
I can not find it for sell anywhere and I can not watch it on Netflix.
As for the rest of it. I watch a lot of tech shows, woodworking, car and truck shows, and old education shorts on YouTube
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Never mind all of the car reviews, device reviews, musical gear reviews, prank shoes, and tutorials people watch on there............no, it's all about "his" stolen music.
Well if it were really about all you say then there would be no need for them to steal other people's content. and yet they very plainly do. Indeed their efforts to get more serious about policing it have sort of proven the point. Consider how many times in the last week you have read some article that was illustrated with a video from you tube and when you ctry to watch it it, it says "this content is no longer available". Clearly most of the interesting things on Youtube are things that came from copy
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Here is a list of the top 100 youtube channels [socialblade.com]. At first glance, it looks like most of them are not using pirated content.
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Does that include things like apps that stream just songs from YouTube like PlayTube?
bad logic (Score:2)
Your logic does not follow. The top-100's total plays are an infinitessimal fraction of the total youtube usage. One cannot look at that and say that there isn't a lot of pirated usage. Furthermore, is the criteria "most" usage has to be pirated to declare it a problem?
Re:The ego... (Score:5, Insightful)
The same music he used to literally tell people to go online and steal when he was performing his concerts.
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Reference:
http://www.theninhotline.net/news/archives/backissue.php?y=07&m=9#1189989696
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Please think of those poor rock stars. He'll have to settle for a secondhand Gulfstream and a slightly smaller yacht and one less mansion this year. I feel so sorry for Trent. :-(
Re: The ego... (Score:5, Insightful)
I do go to youtube for music (I don't use any streaming service, so if I want to check out some artist that's not in my collection, youtube is a pretty good way to check out a few songs), and 99% of the time it's the artist's VEVO or whatever official channel. TBH I'm not really aware of having heard any unlicensed music on youtube, although I guess there will have been background music that I wouldn't particularly know or notice if it was licensed or not.
To be honest, the "I think any free-tiered service is not fair." quote gives the game away here; it's not stolen content Reznor is concerned about, it's free content. The moaning about stolen content is just a red herring. What they really want is for all free sources of music to start charging, or otherwise increase monetization, and give them a nice fat cut.
Re: The ego... (Score:5, Interesting)
He must hate people like Cory Doctorow and me, who encourage noncommercial sharing of our digital material (but physical copies you have to pay for).
Not every "content creator" is a selfish, greedy asshole.
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To be honest, the "I think any free-tiered service is not fair." quote gives the game away here; it's not stolen content Reznor is concerned about, it's free content. The moaning about stolen content is just a red herring. What they really want is for all free sources of music to start charging, or otherwise increase monetization, and give them a nice fat cut.
Yeah I bet you won't hear him saying the same thing about AM/FM radio which is also free.
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Yeah I bet you won't hear him saying the same thing about AM/FM radio which is also free.
AM/FM radio still has commercials and does in fact pay the music industry (not sure about artists cut) to play songs. Internet radio, like Pandora, follows the same sort of rules as AM/FM radio. The product (music) is free to the consumer, but the distributor (radio station) gets paid by ads.
I have yet to find a rhyme or reason to Youtube adds. They seem to be random with some lean toward "You must really want to watch this video so we will show 5 minutes of ads".
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Many, many people do though.
PlayTube.app as an example.
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Aw, Poor Trent... (Score:5, Funny)
Tori Amos said it best:
Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie. [azquotes.com]
Re:Aw, Poor Trent... (Score:4, Funny)
It might be too late. Apple got him and now they're telling him he doesn't look ridiculous dressing like a middle-aged Goth.
Re:Aw, Poor Trent... (Score:5, Insightful)
It might be too late. Apple got him and now they're telling him he doesn't look ridiculous dressing like a middle-aged Goth.
OMG, if only I had mod points... Well played, sir, well played indeed.
And to Trent... Look, I have a great deal of respect for you as an artist, but you are full of shit on this issue. Most of what you call theft is "fair use". The rest of it is unauthorized use, not theft. You were not deprived of something you already possessed. And no, you weren't deprived of any significant amount of revenue either. No, you really were not. You should stop drinking the RIAA kool aid and face the fact that not everybody who ever wanted to listen to 30 seconds of your music is going to pay for it if they have no other option.
Get over it, princess.
Re:Aw, Poor Trent... (Score:4, Informative)
That's kind of depressing, I mean, didn't he release the STEMs of his music for free so anyone could remix it? Has Apple rotted your brain Trent? Are you an ignorant, greedy old man now?
It's called being a "sell-out" by abandoning your earlier ideals, and it happens to lot of people who were once young rebels in the music industry.
Re:Aw, Poor Trent... (Score:5, Insightful)
And this, boys and girls, is what "cognitive dissonance" feels like. I had a whole 30 seconds of feeling like this had to be one of those stupid "quote troll" memes, since I couldn't imagine Trent Reznor dribbling out that kind of mealy mouthed corporate crap. Then it finally clicked that I was working off an image that is over 25 years out of date...
Man, fuck getting old. Happy freakin' birthday.
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Man, fuck getting old. Happy freakin' birthday.
Birthdays are like boogers. The more you have, the harder it is to breathe.
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Not to forget Mrs Williams: https://www.wattpad.com/133416... [wattpad.com]
Free tier (Score:5, Insightful)
Radio isn't fair?
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How is radio comparable? It plays the same songs (good or bad) over and over again -- no variety/small playlist. Plus there's around 20 minutes of ads every hour.
Re:Free tier (Score:5, Interesting)
So, I think Trent is just shilling for his new employer, Apple, which has no free tier for its lame Apple Music service.
Pandora is like radio; Spotify is like a jukebox (Score:5, Informative)
Radio is exactly comparable to other free tier (i.e. ad-supported) services. We're talking Pandora, Spotify, and most Internet radio stations
Pandora yes, Spotify not so much. There's a big legal difference between Pandora and Spotify, analogous to like the difference between radio and a jukebox, or between broadcast TV and video on demand. Pandora lets the user choose a musical style, such as the style associated with a particular recording artist, and then builds a huge playlist around that style that satisfies the "performance complement" requirement of the statutory license for public performance of sound recordings through an electronic transmission. This requirement limits how many songs from a particular artist or album may be played per hour and limits the control that the user has over the playlist so that does not substitute for a purchase. Complying with the "performance complement" allows Pandora to pay a lower rate and not have to negotiate with individual record labels. Spotify has to pay more in royalties because it gives the user far more control over the playlist.
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From the user end, radio is mostly an ad-supported free tier, with some radio stations having different funding models (public radio mostly takes donations, satellite radio being subscription supported, etc).
Nor is the core business model all that different.
The user experience and underlying technologies aren't identical, but I think it still passes the "looks like a duck, quacks like a duck" test.
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...How is radio comparable? It plays the same songs (good or bad) over and over again -- no variety/small playlist. ...
If that is what you really think, you're listening to the wrong stations. Try listening to some local college stations (usually below 92 on FM), or some commercial Alternative format stations.
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There are some excellent radio stations out there, ones that are not owned by the huge broadcasting companies. You just have to listen...
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Actually radio DOESN'T pay. While it pays songwriters, it does not pay performers. If anything, the situation was flipped with labels paying the radio stations.
It was called payola. Perhaps you heard of it.
When it comes to corruption, Google is an amateur. They're kids who haven't made it out of the playground yet compared to the Music industry.
Copyright (Score:2)
Re:Copyright (Score:5, Insightful)
This is the sort of thing people on slashdot always say until someone rips of open source code without giving changes back...
Or until they have had their own work stolen and then it is somehow a different story.
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I've had my work stolen. I would be pretty disappointed if it wasn't. That would mean that it wasn't even worth being pirated. That's a sad sad thing.
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This is the sort of thing people on slashdot always say until someone rips of open source code without giving changes back...
That's because the creators of the "viral" licenses you refer to used licensing to try to roughly simulate a world without copyrights. (Hence, they are often tagged with the ironic name "copyleft license".) People get mad in your example because somebody else is trying to pull the content out of this simulated non-copyright world and put it back under the usual copyright restrictions.
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But ripping a piece of open source code without giving changes back is taking it away without sharing what you've added. In that instance, what you did amounts to nothing without what you built it on, but you're claiming the whole thing as yours.
Having your own work 'stolen' is plagiarism and has really nothing to do with copyright.
It's all about claiming credit for work you didn't do, and not being sociable.
This was absolutely true (Score:3)
especially until they hit critical mass. Now YouTube is the default platform in and people are generating content exclusively for it.
Apple (Score:2)
...widening his criticism to other rivals like Spotify in the process.
And Apple Music is different from other streaming services exactly how?
I see the point for youtube as everyone and his dog upload stuff there without giving any thought to copyrights and/or compensation (at least ContentID and monetizing has been added as an afterthought) but streaming services in general?
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And Apple Music is different from other streaming services exactly how?
Apparently it's run by a relic who can't see where the future of music is going, that 1789 Copyright is obsolete in 2016, and who can't distinguish between the words "stolen" and "replicated".
It's my understanding that Pandora, Spotify, and Google Play are all run by people who are pushing the edge of what they can do legally, every single day. That gives them a direction towards the future.
So much for the days of hoisting the Jolly Rog
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The Accountants have been running things at Apple for decades now. Any entity as successful as Apple has been draws in 'business' types like a picnic attracts ants.
"We haven't had that spirit here since 1969"
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And Apple Music is different from other streaming services exactly how?
Apparently it's run by a relic who can't see where the future of music is going, that 1789 Copyright is obsolete in 2016, and who can't distinguish between the words "stolen" and "replicated".
It's my understanding that Pandora, Spotify, and Google Play are all run by people who are pushing the edge of what they can do legally, every single day. That gives them a direction towards the future.
So much for the days of hoisting the Jolly Roger at Apple!
But what about the MESSIAH's famous quoting of Salvador Dali ??????? :-) .... shurely he cannot ignore the gospel of the Great Fruity One!!!! even though the Great Fruity One went all hypocritical like only Deity can....see all religious texts for details and that includes the Apple EULA's :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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1789 Copyright is obsolete in 2016
Today's copyright laws bear no resemblance whatever to early US copyright laws. It was originally enacted to protect writers from publishers. It lasted fourteen years, today's is the life of the artist plus ninety five years. Sheet music was covered but the songs themselves were not.
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Ok. Understand that.
But does that have any effect on the licence fees payable by spotify? One would think they have to pay the same but just need another source to earn that money (read: advertising)?
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There is not "may or may not" to this. You're trying to sugar coat a turd.
So is most music (Score:5, Interesting)
The studios steal from the creators via abusive contracts as much, if not MORE than YouTube steals from the musicians.
Despising one and not the other is hypocritical.
Part of the major problem is that the value of music has gone down and musicians dislike that. Music used to be a rare skill that was incredibly expensive to distribute. But distribution costs went down, they refused to lower the price, we found ways to use computers to enhance music (auto tune is just one of many such advancements), and the number of people that want to do it went up.
How many kids want to be rock stars? They depressed the market causing the prices to drop - it's simple supply and demand.
The profit went away but it wasn't YouTube's fault.
Competitor slags rival product. News at 11. (Score:5, Insightful)
"I find YouTube's business to be very disingenuous. It is built on the backs of free, stolen content and that's how they got that big," said Reznor in an interview with Billboard. Reznor was not speaking purely as an artist, however. He is also chief creative officer at Apple Music, the streaming service launched by Apple in 2015, which is one of the key rivals to YouTube in the digital music world.
I find pretending to be on the side of artists against Google when you are drawing a paycheck from one of their biggest competitors to be "very disingenuous".
Of course I don't find Apple Music to be much of a rival at all to YouTube so this may be much sound and fury signifying nothing. Apple pretending to respect the intellectual property of others is a bit rich.
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Let's ask Trent whose back his work is built on.
Conflicts of interest = Zero credibility (Score:4, Insightful)
Let's ask Trent whose back his work is built on.
If he wants to be a credible voice for artists then he can't afford conflicts of interest. If Trent Reznor wants to resign his post with Apple and speak on his own behalf then I'll consider his position on the matter. Until then he's just playing the role of corporate stooge even if he actually believes what his is saying.
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Let's ask Trent whose back his work is built on.
He didn't invent a genre or anything like that, but he did create his music out of hard work. I was listening to industrial music at the time when he became popular and his music became popular because it was good, not just because he got hitched up to the right wagon — though that never hurts.
On the other hand, he is whiny and full of it. Playing people's songs for free is about the last thing I go to Youtube for. I do it, mind you, but only rarely.
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What did he use to create his work? Did he profit off the creation of the electronica genre by Giorgio Moroder? The modern Blues genre by B.B. King? The piano, invented by some Italian name Cristofori? The guitar, built on the bakc of its predecessor, the Lute?
What image did he take, and who at the time was popular and using that image? Was it grunge? Punk? 80s rock? Does his music have the sound of the popular period music he made his fame in? On top of whose hard work of building fame around a
Apple must be losing to Google Music (Score:3)
Trent's tunnel-vision (Score:3)
"I don't like other content" (Score:5, Insightful)
...said competing content provider.
In my opinion, Youtube shows that people would create content without all of this artificial scarcity bullshit.
No stealing involved (Score:4, Interesting)
orly? (Score:2)
Not a surprise coming from Apple (Score:4, Informative)
Apple thrives on the top-down "you are the consumer, we are the producer" business model. I can't say I'm particularly shocked to see an apple exec whining about youtube (although I must say, I'm disappointed that it the exec in question is Trent Reznor). To say that Youtube is "built" on content piracy is extremely disingenuous. Yes, it obviously happens there, but if someone were to remove all of the pirated content from Youtube, only a very small percentage of users would even care.
These are the words of a company that would like to see user-generated content made illegal, on the basis that a small percentage of users occasionally use it for piracy. Youtube is a tremendous example of "substantial non-infringing use".
Stick to making garbage music (Score:2)
Re:Stick to making garbage music (Score:5, Insightful)
Trent has been purchased by Apple, and they are just realizing value out of owning him.
Apple has declared war on 'free content on the internet' and are striving to make everything of significance cost money. They can't do this without tearing down every other business model, and as always at Apple (going all the way back to the Apple II clone/compatible makers who they ran out of business, and the multiple 'Windowing System' makers who they ran out of business, handing the platform ownership to deep-pockets Microsoft in the process) lawyers will be wielded against anybody who doesn't do things 'The Apple Way.'
People act like there isn't a reason some of us fucking hate Apple.
Apple's one to talk. (Score:5, Interesting)
Apple's entire resurgence is based off MP3 piracy. Before they made their first smartphone, they made billions off their iPod sales, which were 100% filled with pirated MP3s. Nobody was paying 10k to fill an iPod. Nobody.
Then when they made their first billion, they started a music service and started charging for music and decried piracy, the very thing that made their entire corporate existence possible.
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I paid about $4,000 to fill my iPod when I ripped the ~250 CDs I had purchased over the course of 20 years. I got a few singles from Napster etc., but maybe 50-100 songs total. If Napster had never existed, I still would have bought my first iPod. (And my second.)
Hypocrite (Score:2)
And Trent Reznor's music was built on musical notes discovered by other people centuries ago, which he's just reusing without attribution- sue that freeloader!
Just kidding, but Trent Reznor go just fuck right off. No one forces anyone to upload content to Youtube, and has a shitload of content scanners to try and keep copyrighted material off their network. If you doubt me, just try and upload an episode of nearly any broadcast TV series or a movie and see how fast it gets flagged and bagged.
LMFAO (Score:3)
I bought albums from Atari Teen Age Riot and Eat Static because I saw their new tracks on YT.
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yes, but will you... (Score:4, Funny)
Media industry is built on the back of IP grab... (Score:4, Insightful)
Digital copying is easy, sharing with friends is natural and human. The media industry is built on the principle of taking away our ability to copy and share, and on the idea that it is hard to do so. What would be rightfully ours under the original copyright laws is no longer ours, what we would have the right to do in the absence of copyright laws we no longer have the right to do. As for youtube, it is built on the hard work of those who invented the hardware and software technology to make it possible, and the efforts of many users. A little copyright infringment happens as 'collateral damage', and that is largely because copyright at present is so distant from what is natural, easy and straightforward. We could function without Trent's last album quite happily, but the ability to share information, events and enthusiasm is so much more important.
Ummm MTV? (Score:4, Insightful)
"I think any free-tiered service is not fair.... is built on the back of my work and that of my peers. That's how I feel about it. Strongly," said Reznor
That's hilarious, because I doubt Reznor or any of these other artists would bitch that MTV/VH1 was stealing from them, yet it does exactly the same as Youtube, presenting their music to the populace for free with ad revenue paying the bills.
My bad Mr. Reznor... (Score:3)
Congrats on becoming the pig Trent... (Score:3)
now doesn't that make you feel better? the pigs have won tonight now they can all sleep soundly and everything is all right
Lost respect. (Score:3)
how to lose fans in 1 easy step (Score:3)
step 1: say something idiotic about how (internet villain of the week) is stealing from you when really they are driving fans and money to your door.
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Very true the UK in particular is owed hundreds of billions of dollars in compensation for stolen IP in the 19th century from the USA.
Re:Spilled milk (Score:5, Interesting)
I think the biggest issue is the expansion of 'IP'. Culture builds on what comes before it, it always has and always will. However in 'modern' times we (or more specifically companies) keep trying to lock culture away behind walls of laws about 'IP'. Culture however will do as culture always does and build on what has come before, laws be damned. I have news for the companies as well: Culture will win in the end.
Though I personally find Trent's comments funny since Youtube's copyright claim system is so badly abused that certain youtuber's, like Jim Sterling, can get companies to fight over the IP shown in brief snippests (most of which is review or satire and so technically protected) within their videos. Look up Jim's 'Copyright Deadlock' video as an example. Or heck look into E3 videos based on the Twitch streams. ItmeJP commented that his Youtube videos got multiple claims within minutes of being uploaded even though the video stream was provided to commentators for use.
Re: Some guy hates competiting with 'free' (Score:5, Informative)
Made a breakthrough album in his free time while working as a studio engineer. Made some more important records. Legendary live performer. Made a couple of film soundtracks. Ran his own label. Had bust-ups with his labels. Told Australian fans to steal his album Year Zero because the prices in the shops were too high. Released an album under Creative Commons NC and made money off the deluxe editions. Released another project under "pay something or don't, up to you". Released an album for free online. Makes remix stems available to all and hosts a site for community remixes. He's probably one of the most qualified people out there to talk about music production and distribution. And Slashdotters are going to ignore that because they don't like what he's saying.
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Was that before or after Apple thrust their mighty hand up his sockpuppet butthole?
I like Trent and I like a lot of the things he's done, but that doesn't mean he is always right about everything.
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And Slashdotters are going to ignore that because they don't like what he's saying.
Slashdotters are going to ignore it because it's not relevant; what's on topic today is what he said in the Guardian, and that (at least in part) is bullshit. All his previous deeds, good or bad, don't make his claims that "youtube is built on the back of stolen content" or that "any free-tier service is not fair" true.
Before youtube, pretty much all video content that we watched came via tv and movie studios. With youtube, n
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Everybody is capable of making music.
How is everybody capable of avoiding accidental infringement while doing so? If you write a song, and the song is substantially similar to one of the millions of songs in the BMI and ASCAP repertories, and the owner of copyright in one of those older songs shows in court that you have heard or reasonably should have heard the older song, then your song infringes copyright in the older song. The key case for accidental infringement is Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music.
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Now, sometimes I whistle when I am alone, and run songs through my head silently, but music is for the most part a social action. We all hum the tunes we've heard, then augment and rearrange the notes. It is ALWAYS a matter of copying.
Business people insert themselves into the process and try to meter and measure everything. Ostensibly this is to facilitate a distribution network, because those darn expensive vaccum tubes in the recording studio don't make themselves, ya know.
The distribution cost and th
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I think a lot of what you said is true AND contributes to the reason that today there is such a dearth of good music to listen to, and keep and cherish and re
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Something just changed...I know there are lots of factors, like the splintering of f few genres into hundreds of them. I think rap had something to do with it personally (you may like it, but I consider the words "rap" and "music" to be mutually exclusive terms, but that's just my opinion)....where you went from people actually singing and playing their own instruments...to just shouting, and sampling other musicians' music
Yeah, what happened is that education was dismantled in America, and schools didn't have money for music programs. So rapping and beat boxing came out of not having any other outlet for musical talent. Whether rap is music is irrelevant, although some styles clearly are. Rap isn't the first musical style to feature people speaking the words rather than singing them.
If we want more new music, we're going to have to reinvest in music education.
I mean...I can still hear Beatles songs today, and anticipate I will far into the future (like we hear Mozart). Will anyone even know a Katy Perry song in 10 years from now? Will they know who Katy Perry was?
Yes. You will hear her in the supermarket. That is where old, bad
Getting lucky is still just as important (Score:3)
Re:Some guy hates competiting with 'free' (Score:5, Insightful)
He wrote one of Johnny Cash's best songs.
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Actually, Johnny Cash covered one of Trents songs and made it something more than the usual self indulgent whine.
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He wrote one of Johnny Cash's best songs.
not quite.. He released it first on the downward spiral and it had a fucking awesome video too for teh single release..
Johhny Cash covered it ad changed the line "I wear my crown of shit" top "... crown of thorns), from what i gather it was a tribute to wife recently departed wife at the time.
back from 1989's pretty hate machine through to the fragile( where it all started to get a bit crap) He was very influential on the Goth/industrial scene. Seems like he has VERY much become the very guy he used to r
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Reznor should be ignored just based on that alone.
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So you're ten years old AND your mother won't let you use any search engines?
I am sure it is rough for you now, kid, but believe me when I say "It gets better." When you are a little older and your mom let's you use Google you won't believe how easy things will become! In the meantime, here, have a peppermint...
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"I was there" and I still think that Reznor is a no talent nobody.
He's the perfect example of an old has been that can't cut it so he needs to lash out. Either that or he was always a crass corporate sell out.
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He's part of Nine Inch Nails and write most of their music. If you don't know then either you must be young.
not quite he IS Nine Inch Nails.. any other band members are just for playing live
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"He was famous long before YouTube existed."
That's kind of the point. He's a has been. If not for YouTube, only angry old geezers stuck in the past would have any clue who he is. You might as well be rambling on about the Bay City Rollers.
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Exactly. Pirated music has always been a red herring. The real threat of the web has always been user generated content including silly cat videos.
The real threat of the Internet is cat videos.
The music industry still thinks they have a monopoly in mobile devices.