Google To Train 2 Million Indian Android Developers (thestack.com) 360
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Stack: Google has announced its new "Android Fundamentals" training program, which aims to train and certify up to two million Android developers in India. The course, soon to be available online and at schools country-wide, is focused on training, testing, and certifying Android developers to prepare students for careers using Android technology. Google is currently working to update the skills of its existing trainers to prepare them to teach the Fundamentals course, as well as updating course materials to provide students a solid foundation in Android development. The new program works with Prime Minister Narendra Modi's 'Skill India' initiative, launched in 2015 with the intent of training 400 million Indian citizens with new vocational skills by 2022. Caesar Sengupta, VP Product Management for Google, said that while India is forecasted to have the largest developer population in the world by 2018, with almost four million developers, only a quarter of them are currently building for mobile.
Another reason (Score:5, Interesting)
Another reason for Americans to not study programming.
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why isn't google investing in two million *americans* ?
indians works for pennies on the dollar, and won't need to be h1-b'd either.
Re:Another reason (Score:5, Funny)
How about *american indians*
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the north american indigenous population was mistakenly called 'indians' by some dumb white guy in the 1400s who got lost on his way to the india in asia. don't be like him, they're 'native americans' in the u.s., 'first nations' in canada.
the native americans, btw, are too busy counting all their money made off the dumb white man at their casinos to worry about petty things like mobile app development.
Re:Another reason (Score:4, Interesting)
Another reason for Americans to not study programming.
To be more precise, another reason for Americans not to study programming on Android. According to the summary only 1/4 of 4 million Indian developers are working on mobile. And these are supposed to be additional 2 million developers. So the program plans to increase the number of Indian developers by 50%. I have to admit, this seriously gives me pause about having learn-android-platform on my todo list. It moves it somewhere below learn-cobol level. I am surprised to see this come out of Google though. Instead of finding ways to automate many tasks of Android development they decide to hand it off to be done through repetitive cheap human labor. Didn't expect it from the company which used to strive to be at the forefront of development. I am curious though what Kurzweil thinks of it. It's certainly a move towards flattening the singularity trend rather than allowing it to spike.
Re:Another reason (Score:5, Insightful)
If you want to learn app development, look into cross-platform stuff. I'm having a decent experience with Xamarin (coding in C#, which is better than Objective-C and chocolate-and-sprinkles-covered-heavenly better than Java on Android), and there are some other options.
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It's not a zero sum game.
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Almost every doctor or nurse I've spoken to says that if they had to do it all over again, they'd go into something else.
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Quite often, the "big bucks" are not enough - its a high stress, low relaxation lifestyle which comes with big fiscal costs as well, such as insurance, ongoing training and often buying your own equipment.
Re: Another reason (Score:5, Interesting)
Companies want (demand, beg for) quality coders, but only when their project goes tits up. caught early in unit tests, etc.
Re: Another reason (Score:5, Insightful)
There is no need to hire some expensive troubleshooter for insane rates if, and only if, you don't try to cut corners by hiring crappy coders in the first place.
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I know. HELL, I know.
It is possible to get quality for cheap, to some degree, but you have to do a lot of searching and be willing to do a lot of trial and error. There is a lot of young talent that you can snap up for rather low prices, but be prepared that they will move on quickly if you can't pay them well once they have some time with you on their resume. I generally manage tenure here only with job perks that people want (like setting 45 hours a week as the MAXIMUM not the MINIMUM work time, relaxed a
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There is no need to hire some expensive troubleshooter for insane rates if, and only if, you don't try to cut corners by hiring crappy coders in the first place.
One problem I have found in some companies I have interviewed for is salary scales that simply cannot accommodate real talent. I almost joined a company recently for a technical architect position to help fix a very problematic software implementation. They understood they did not have the talent and were looking for help, but their pay scales couldn't fit in someone qualified for the job. The director I would have worked for fought for the highest bonus percentage possible, and was even granted an exceptio
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Companies just want something that works. It doesn't have to be good, it just has to perform the function required of it. Occasionally there is a business case for quality, but mostly it's about getting something functional cheaply. That's why you end up with hack on top of hack, because doing a proper fix means time and money invested. It's short sighted but there is rarely much incentive to look at the long term.
The market doesn't value quality very highly either. Lots of great products die because there
Tue, if your company only ever needs one task done (Score:2)
If there is only one programming task that your company will ever need, it might make sense to not have it done well. MIGHT because very frequently a good programmer can look at the entire system around a piece of software and recommend an approach that will save X hours of labor (money) every week, for the life of the system. As an example from my last job, there were a lot of separate pieces of software in the system. People would routinely download a report from system A, copy and paste it into system
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The myth is that quality coders are actually in demand now. How hard is it to find a good job even if you know your stuff? If you want to get ahead today, become a doctor or nurse or something. I'm only in tech because I like video games.
You just gave me an idea for an interview question. Just ask if the candidate feels there is a shortage for quality software engineers. If they say it is a myth, they certainly aren't a quality candidate. Rates for quality engineers keep going up because they have ample proof their skills are in demand.
I'd agree most companies don't pay their IT teams very well, but that is why they are stuck with crap teams. This perpetuates their belief that programmers don't deserve higher wages, and their teams remain b
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One in, one out? You might be onto something there.
Re:Another reason (Score:4, Informative)
Except that an H1-B can come to America, work for a couple of years,send money home and return to retire quite comfortably by Indian standards.
A B1-H would go to India, work for a couple of years and return to apply for a job as a Wal-Mart greeter.
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No B1H, no H1B. If they really want to bring someone in, they'll have to give someone an incentive to go the other way.
A sort of subsidised gap year.
You can see I've really thought this through, can't you?
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Is that for real? European here, wants to know: Does WalMart really hire people who do nothing but, well, greet people as they enter the store? Or is that some euphemism for an essentially useless job where someone who is otherwise unemployable gets a meaningless job, like being a TSA agent?
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Is that for real? European here, wants to know: Does WalMart really hire people who do nothing but, well, greet people as they enter the store? Or is that some euphemism for an essentially useless job where someone who is otherwise unemployable gets a meaningless job, like being a TSA agent?
Would you believe it's both? I ask because it is both.
Walmart greeters (Score:3)
Yes, Walmart hires people to greet customers at the door.
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Do they have some secondary, "hidden" job, like, looking out for shoplifters or the like?
I just can't believe they actually pay people for what the beggar in front of my usual supermarket does for "free": Annoy the living crap out of customers.
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No. They just greet people.
The tough economic times (Score:2)
I haven't encountered a greeter at Walmart in I don't know how long.
There used to be this old white dude who said "hi!" and handed off to you a shopping cart. Don't see that anymore.
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I haven't encountered a greeter at Walmart in I don't know how long.
There used to be this old white dude who said "hi!" and handed off to you a shopping cart. Don't see that anymore.
I read in the news that WalMart was bringing back the greeter job. The stores around here never really did away with them. They are supposed to be some sort of loss prevention or deterrent line of defense. I cannot remember the last time I saw one actually offer to get a cart. I'd say it's a 50% chance that they even open their mouth to greet anyone. Mostly, they sit on a chair and look bored.
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I'm not making fun of it, far from it, I just could not imagine it. Mostly I was not understanding what would be the benefit for WalMart, what's the value this person adds to the store. I was already quite stunned when someone started to put my groceries into a bag for me (something you won't see around here either). If you explain it that way, I can see that "greeter's" value, he essentially doubles as an info center, theft prevention and general "make the customer feel home" point all rolled into one. I c
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Root your android and install a firewall, rights manager (Xprivacy is the best I know), and a tool to disable services so you can kill Google ad and analytics services. That should givre you some edge.
how to phrase without coming off as racist?... (Score:2)
More likely 1,999,999 impoverished developers resorting to creating shoddy malware.
And incessant calls from "Joe at Android" warning me that my phone is sending an IP address and he can fix it if just only I give him remote access.
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Of course, that's why we need far more women to study STEM fields. Can't be that only men are unemployed!
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WTF aren't they doing things like this HERE in the US for our own citizens? At least have the courtesy to do it in your native land FIRST!!!
Just what we need (Score:4, Insightful)
Good enough is always (Score:2)
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2 million MORE newbs who THINK they can program
Not really. That's Google. They will train 2 M people, then keep the better 5% to develop applications.
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Indeed. More bad code from bad coders. We already have more than enough of both.
There is a lot of truth to this (Score:2, Insightful)
Most Indians I've had the displeasure to work around were constantly leaning on their white counterparts for help. They DO crank out "paper tigers" just like it was here in the US back in the late 90s where the certification mills were cranking out MCSEs who couldn't tell you the difference between WINS and DNS. Ditto now the Linux certs for Docker. The IT security world is awash with paper tigers. I was in that world for 5 years and got the hell out because the IT security guys tend to be an aggressive set
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This is what I'm planning to do, except without the ho-hum job part. It's mainly to hedge my bets against the very likely odds that I'll be unable to work in a few years due to having to be stuck in a dialysis clinic 3 times a week. If my house is paid for, I could live just fine on ~1200 a month. I've lived on less while still paying rent.
Uh huh.... (Score:4, Insightful)
So much for white privilege. Last time I checked, my account had no white privilege deposit. Our tech companies are giving the farm away to the Indians, Vietnamese, Chinese, and anyone else who will work for shit wages. Google and its ilk are driving down the salaries for IT workers in the literal race to zero. What with everyone replacing their workers with robotics, the BS $15 fast food wages about to kill those jobs, the US is rapidly becoming a 3rd-world taco stand with semi-decent pizza.
I live in TX and, as an example, if you "wanted" to work construction here, no one would hire you--because your white. Ditto the farms, agriculture biz, fast food, you name it. Texas land owners as well as Texas businesses prefer to hire Mexicans--illegal or otherwise for work. Drive by any gas station on a weekday morning and there are dozens of Mexicans waiting around for the white man to come and collect them in pickup trucks to go and do their thing.
I was thinking of starting a lawn care business, but it's impossible because the Mexicans have driven down the prices to what a white guy cannot live on. It's easy for them to live compared to us because they are willing to live in shit conditions and 8-10 in an apartment or tiny house. Who the hell want to live with their extended family? I sure as hell don't.
I work in IT in Texas--Houston area--and IT sucks here. All of the oil and gas companies have laid off so many IT people, they are now competing for the crappy jobs that remain. IT pays little here compared to other places. Austin is an IT hub, but the traffic sucks worse than Houston, it's more expensive and it's a hipster enclave.
I've been in IT across 3 decades and I'm seriously considering getting out, but I have no damn clue what to do since IT is all I know.
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You have a great future in whining.
Re:Uh huh.... (Score:5, Funny)
You have a great future in whining.
So maybe go work in Napa Valley somewhere? There are lots of little lifestyle whineries there.
Re:Uh huh.... (Score:4, Interesting)
Texas land owners as well as Texas businesses prefer to hire Mexicans--illegal or otherwise for work. Drive by any gas station on a weekday morning and there are dozens of Mexicans waiting around for the white man to come and collect them in pickup trucks to go and do their thing.
There's your self entitlement for you. Thinking that you can hire illegals and day workers for the cheapest price so that you benefit the most, but screw what it does to your local economy.
I was thinking of starting a lawn care business, but it's impossible because the Mexicans have driven down the prices to what a white guy cannot live on. It's easy for them to live compared to us because they are willing to live in shit conditions and 8-10 in an apartment or tiny house. Who the hell want to live with their extended family? I sure as hell don't.
And it strikes again. You have this belief that you are above living with an extended family. No matter that for 99% of humanities existence, and for 99% of the rest of the world that's just the way it is. But no, your'e too good for that.
I work in IT in Texas--Houston area--and IT sucks here. All of the oil and gas companies have laid off so many IT people, they are now competing for the crappy jobs that remain. IT pays little here compared to other places. Austin is an IT hub, but the traffic sucks worse than Houston, it's more expensive and it's a hipster enclave.
More judgmental complaining. Don't people have a right to be a hipster if they wish?
I've been in IT across 3 decades and I'm seriously considering getting out, but I have no damn clue what to do since IT is all I know.
You have a connection to most fantastic library in the entire history of the world, a truly wondrous trove of information, yet you have no clue who you really are or what you want to do. And that is your fundamental problem. You have no idea who you are. Perhaps you should take time for some introspection.
Re:Uh huh.... (Score:5, Insightful)
There's your self entitlement for you. Thinking that you can hire illegals and day workers for the cheapest price so that you benefit the most, but screw what it does to your local economy.
And therin lies the strangest set of paradoxes you will ever find. The people who follow the presumed head of the anti-immigration movement and his plan to make another country build a wall in order to keep them out are likely to be the ones harmed by immigrant workers.
As well, this people are convinced that we need a business leader to fix this problem, when businesses are the cause of the problem.
As well, there is a remarkably simple way to cut way back on illegal immigrants at very little cost. If a business owner is caught hiring illegals to do the business they are doing, toss their sorry ass in jail. We're Americans - its what we do to support the incarceration industry.
If illegal immigrants have no possibility of getting work and money here in the USA, and if anyone hiring one catches a felony and prison time, it will go a long way towards taking care of that problem. And a few business owners in prison are a lot cheaper than walling off the US.
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I'm honestly considering moving abroad for a better opportunity since my wife is medical, she can work anywhere, and she has a particular set of skills that are in high demand everywhere.
You might be surprised at how valuable your American IT skills and experience are in some places outside the US. You might be able to find a place where both you and your spouse's skills pay well enough to make you relatively well-off by local standards and not-impoverished even by US standards.
If you do not renounce US citizenship you'll still be paying US income taxes and possibly others I'm unaware of. Renouncing US citizenship now requires a $2500USD (IIRC) payment and clearance checks against any tax d
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It's like you want to drag everyone down to the same level as subhuman Pajeets.
Q. What's a Pajeet?
A. Anything they want.
Re:Uh huh.... (Score:5, Interesting)
I predict and fully expect to see a rise in american 'terrorism', where americans have been out of work long enough to lose thier homes and feel that they have nothing left so 'fuck it, I'm going on a rampage'.
god help us all once this eventually happens. google and the rest all have the police in their pockets and anyone trying to rush the google campus will get the full riot police on thier asses, but when you have nothing left, you have nothing left to lose. hell, I've been close to that point, myself, feeling quite abandoned by my american 'brothers' who are running the US companies into the ground.
keep depressing local wages and sending jobs overseas. keep it up. you WILL create more locals who want to see you die.
or, maybe start thinking about easing off the outsourcing and h1b's and put americans (who really need and deserve jobs) back to work in a living wage again.
your choice. we rush your gates or you keep us fed.
give it 5-10 more years and this will be on the news.
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They might not have the police in their pocket much longer. The way things are going, the race war is starting now, and the police don't seem like they are willing to stick their neck out much longer.
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I predict and fully expect to see a rise in american 'terrorism', where americans have been out of work long enough to lose thier homes and feel that they have nothing left so 'fuck it, I'm going on a rampage'.
god help us all once this eventually happens.
I suspect that in the not too distant future, we will see a reverse brain drain as Americans find more opportunities in other countries than at their former home. This will be great as long as you are competent enough.
For many people, the future looks pretty bleak, as we are not in the pecuniary extraction of wealth phase of the country, and don't appear to be doing anything about it.
Is this available to the US also? (Score:5, Insightful)
We are the ones providing all the tax breaks for google to make its billions, so now we not only import people for jobs that supposedly cant be filled, but we are now providing training to those people taking jobs away from people who are already employed here in the States? I hate apple, but I think this may just convince me to switch. I see no reason to pay for the right to cost someone else their job.
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How is Apple any better? They produce jobs in China. I think they started the whole "designed in America" thing so that people could somehow feel like they give a shit about the country they're headquartered in. If you think any global corporation cares about the little people, you're sorely mistaken.
Ironically, if Trump wins, we'll probably see more of this. If you can't import cheap labor, you can export the jobs.
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I think they started the whole "designed in America" thing so that people could somehow feel like they give a shit about the country they're headquartered in.
Actually, I bought a Harmon Kardon receiver/amplifier back in the 1970's . . . and it had that same statement stamped on the back . . . "designed in America".
So this Schtick is not new to me . . .
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Wake up! ... I think they started the whole "designed in America" ...
The economy, world wide, is transforming into a "knowledge" economy since decades.
Smart workers are "knowledge workers". Obviously manual labour gets outsourced. Was always that way, or where does your oil, coal, minerals, even food come from?
Colonialism and Imperialism was nothing other than somehow getting cheap wares from "cheap countries".
I for my part have no problem teaching dozens of Indians how to "code". To get my experience they
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Wow, you seek to deny knowledge to people? You have access to this course too. Nobody is entitled to a job. If you want welfare then tax Google's profits and get your money that way.
Re:Is this available to the US also? (Score:5, Interesting)
strongly disagree, people of your own country ARE ENTITLED to jobs IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY.
the fact that you don't get this, its very telling, indeed.
the whole POINT of a country is to protect and give pref treatment to the people who grew up there, paid taxes all their lives, have invested in that place and often, their parents were from there and their kids will stay there.
yes, I, who grew up here in the US, demand to have first right of jobs over some foreigner who did nothing for the US, and in fact, won't do anything for the US once they take their money away and return home, later on.
I have more right to american jobs than indians who were not born here do. they are arrogant AS FUCK, thinking they really do have as much rights as the locals do.
let me turn it around: if I were to move to india, would I - and should I - expect the same rights as locals? of course not!
get real, indians. you don't deserve more rights or even the same rights as those who are invested here and who are part of this country, for the long-run. long after you leave, the rest of us will still be here, picking up the pieces you left behind.
you bet we have a right to jobs ahead of you. the fact that you don't see it proves the point even more how much you DO NOT UNDERSTAND what america is about.
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the fact that you don't see it proves the point even more how much you DO NOT UNDERSTAND what america is about.
America is only about the people who originally settled here?
Perhaps you and your family need to pack up and go back to where you came from, because at base, you are an immigrant. Because unless you are 100 percent Amerind, you're are an immigrant and born of immigrants. Disclaimer - ethnic slurs included merely for shock value, and the likelyhood that the poster actually uses those terms.
Anyhow dear anti-immigrant person, if you actually want to eliminate these great unwashed from taking your jerb, a
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Dude, Google doesn't owe anyone a job. If you want money from them, then tax them. Tax their profits and get your money that way .. it's better for everyone.
Re:Is this available to the US also? (Score:4)
Of course IBM is way ahead if them in this regard. A few years ago they quit reporting the number of people employed per country. That's a clear sign they know they have something to hide.
Here's an idea: US companies that have overseas branches have to report the number of employees the have in all the countries they do business (roll in consultants as well). Make exemptions for smaller firms, or companies that take no US tax deductions or other government assistance. It's an impossible dilemma for companies that are trying to have it both ways. Do they give up all the subsidies, both direct and by tax tricks, or do they have to admit that they are parasites?
If this was put forward in legislation American business interests would squeal like stuck pigs. They want to grab as much as they can from the public coffers without having to admit anything or face any consequence. They figure, correctly, that as long as they can keep the public in the dark about how they play this rigged game that they can get away with almost anything.
And if you think this is bad, just wait for the TPP to kick in. If it does happen, US employment figures will be dropping by multiple percentage point on a quarterly basis. It might take a few years to get that bad, but considering it is primarily intended to move jobs overseas no one should be surprised. This is exactly what happens when greedy self serving corporate interest run amok. Under the hood it's just like the 2008 economic meltdown. In that case Wall Street had no effective oversight on real estate lending and almost took down the entire world economy. With the TPP the corporate class is now negotiating international trade policy solely for it's own profit. It is entirely likely that this next folly will make 2008 look like a walk in the park compared to the antipersonnel cluster bomb that is the TPP.
if they would fit them with typewriters, (Score:4, Insightful)
they would create a new Shakespeare play in no time at all. Better than coding.
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they would create a new Shakespeare play in no time at all. Better than coding.
Having had to unravel (well, more like throw out and rewrite) code that had been outsourced to Indian contractors, that goes some way to explaining how they seem to write code over there.
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Was waiting for the "monkeys at typewriters joke" (and not in a racist style).
Was not disappointed.
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Am I the only one who thinks we have failed if apps are so hard to create for our platforms?
A radical idea (Score:5, Insightful)
Here's a radical idea.
Hey google - why don't you train 2 million Americans?
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Because that might, accidentally, help make America great again... That just wouldn't do, would it?..
Re:A radical idea (Score:5, Insightful)
There are numerous courses for free download already available. I don't get it, there is nothing preventing anyone from learning Android programming, or almost any other kind of programming. It's totally free. Google has had Android tutorials online for a few years now. If those don't work for you there are others.
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google, like the rest of the NON INNOVATING bay area giants, just wants warm bodies that are cheap to sit in its seats.
time and time again, they all learn that you can abuse indians and chinese and other asians and if they are here on h1b, they won't ever say no. they are polite little worker bees, living just to make your every wish come true, mr. manager man. sigh.
americans are 'too uppity'. they want time off. they want sick time. they want flex time. they want to be able to say no and move to anot
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India is a vast and largely untapped market for smartphones, but they need Indian apps to drive adoption. Apps in the local languages that address local needs.
Google is hardly going to leave this to chance.
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It's easier to sell in a region where the people don't already have a house full of shiny gadgets. America is a more difficult market. It's a business play, not a power shift.
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Hey google - why don't you train 2 million Americans?
Google is a multinational company, and most of their profits come from outside the USA. To add, India and China are the two major areas of growth into the future. The USA is that faded boxer who doesn't have it any more but still hasn't come to grips that he is washed up.
The answer to your question is one you will not like but is no less true even if you don't: They are training Indians instead of Americans because India is the future, and America is the past.
The better question to ask yourselves as Americans is where you went wrong. You used to be on top of the world. Now China makes everything you used to make, and India is eating into the programming. You used to make the best cars, now that's Japan.
Look to yourselves before you blame others. It is harder to do, but only by accepting where you went wrong do you have a hope of recovering from a tail spin.
India, like Brazil, has too many systemic problems right now for the world to consider it "the future". China, yes. And to a lesser extend Eastern Europe and some parts of Latin America (in particular Mexico which has been getting its shit together for the last 2 decades.)
Heck, even Japan with its aging population will be part of the future for a long time before India. Why, robotics, efficiency and personal/business savings up to the wazoo.
For India to overcome China (and other regions of the world) as
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Hey google - why don't you train 2 million Americans?
Google is a multinational company, and most of their profits come from outside the USA. To add, India and China are the two major areas of growth into the future. The USA is that faded boxer who doesn't have it any more but still hasn't come to grips that he is washed up.
The answer to your question is one you will not like but is no less true even if you don't: They are training Indians instead of Americans because India is the future, and America is the past.
India is the future? Tell me something, has the "future" managed to put a fucking toilet above a cell phone on the priority list yet?
Based on this latest job push, I'm guessing not. Good to know our "future" has its priorities in order.
Unfortunately India is plagued by the same problems that plague Brazil. Wealth accumulated on top, an educated middle class, and then swats and swats and more swats of people living in filth and misery. Both countries excel at not making their poor's well being a priority. **
** With that said, I think India will fix that before Brazil. India is improving little by little. Brazil keeps sliding in the opposite direction.
The name of their initiative (Score:4, Insightful)
code.h1b
Well better up the discount (Score:2)
On the Android Dev course I keep seeing on Slashdot.
Dump your stock (Score:2)
In any droid related company NOW.
Hey, malloc debug is giving me nonsense... (Score:2)
Stack Overflow (Score:5, Funny)
Stack Overflow already ordered some extra servers.
They were going to run it in Pakistan (Score:2)
They were going to run it in Pakistan, but people read it as "Android Fundamentalists".
In 2009 (Score:5, Interesting)
In 2009, when microsoft did their "Elevate America" training FOR AMERICANS, the Slashdot Collective complained, loud and clear...
https://it.slashdot.org/story/09/02/23/220227/microsoft-unveils-elevate-america
I am guessing the Hindustanis will not complain so loudly, if at all...
Enjoy
this was my comment in 2009:
"Lets only hope That RedHat, Suse and the FSF come up with similar programs, both in breadth and # of persons reached.
That way, the computer Illiterate can choose what technology to learn, and are armed and ready when the ceconomy picks up in three years time...
And let's also hope that Microsoft, RedHat, Suse, the FSF, Cisco, Juniper, IBM, Oracle, Sun and the gang rememeber that this is a GLOBAL crisis, and launch similar programs worldwide....
Bridging the "digital divide" will only be good for America and for the World
Salud!"
I have a Nexus 5x... (Score:2)
Can I run Firefox OS on it? Ubuntu Touch?
Yay! Total job security! (Score:2)
So glad I decided to switch over to mobile security!
Keep 'em coming!
Indians, huh ? (Score:3)
Expect spaghetti code, tons of boilerplate code, no design pattern application at all, classes with verbs in their name, brute-forcing every search and every sort, duplicated methods or duplicated method bodies, variables in subclasses hiding variables in superclasses, deadlock and race conditions, and - most of all - having to undo then redo it all by yourself.
Vote Trump (Score:2)
Instead of just complaining on /. about how Google/etc. are destroying your careers vote Trump, campaign for Trump, go out and so something to get the only candidate who not only has even expressed an interest in saving American jobs, but who is running with that as his main issue.
I just stole your job and I am proud of it! (Score:2)
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Monkey see, monkey do.
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Monkey see, monkey do.
Monkey tosses chair out the window . . . ?
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Well, I think training developers is probably a better idea than dancing around and shouting "developers" with the intent that it will start raining developers.
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Dewelopers.
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About 10% seem to really know their shit, the rest are faking it, spending most of the time copying and pasting non-working code and then letting other people fix it. Some of them ask embarrassingly ignorant questions that expose them as completely unqualified, but because of the bargain-basement rates they work for, no one seems to give a shit.
This is exactly my experience with Indian developers. A small percentage are really good (just like Indian doctors were two decades ago before the degree mills killed the brand), and the rest are as you describe. Reactions like "how could this guy even pass the job interview, he doesn't know how to use a linker" aren't uncommon. I once spent two days essentially writing some guy's code for him via RDS until I convinced his boss that he shouldn't be let anywhere near anything that involved coding.
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be afraid then, because that means there's going to be some 200,000 more developers that really know their shit...
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I highly doubt that. From that kind of "qualification" you will get 0% good ones, as they are already in better jobs.
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If a developer is not capable, its for the organization to do something about it. If the organization/enterprise prefers a developer because he/she charges less though he/she is incompetent, then blame the organization, not the worker.
Also, most of the enterprise software work - for that matter most of web application development, including Android - needs someone who can understand the process and connect the dots. Genuinely good and imaginative programmers will be bored out of their wits in no time.
It seems you are mediocre yourself.
Not just indians... (Score:2)
About 10% seem to really know their shit, the rest are faking it, spending most of the time copying and pasting non-working code and then letting other people fix it. Some of them ask embarrassingly ignorant questions that expose them as completely unqualified, but because of the bargain-basement rates they work for, no one seems to give a shit.
Outside top-tier firms, this statement could easily apply to the bulk of developers from western countries as well.
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I read it more as "Google to train 2M programmers in India to program Android", not "Google to train 2M people in India who don't know how to program at all, to program Android."
Very important difference - and training a programmer in another language / library / toolkit should be pretty trivial.
The question I have is - why 2M? What's special about that number? Is there a task (or set of tasks) that really needs 2M people to achieve, or is this just "let's pick a big number"?
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"Schools To Train 2 Million In Mathematics"
TRANSLATION:
"Schools To Produce 2 Million Mathematicians"
Hmm... Doesn't seem right. Could it be that education doesn't guarantee everyone who has it is a grand master in that subject, but that some percentage do go on to excel and a larger number go on to produce useful, perfectly adequate work?
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So, that puts them on par with US college graduates.
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So, is that why their economy has been stagnant for the past few decades [wikipedia.org]? They've had *two* "lost decades" now? Oh, don't forget being overworked until you commit suicide [wikipedia.org], a phenomenon common enough to get its own term. How about making a whopping $26K a year as a key animator [kotaku.com] for anime? It's not exactly a fantastic place for women's equality in the workplace [economist.com]. And they're worried about their increasingly elderly population and how to care for them as fewer young people are choosing to have kids [economist.com], result
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Now shut up or we'll do it again for 120 minutes.
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No one is expecting anything.
However the "new economy" makes it possible that everyone on the planet can invest his most valuable "currency" and write an App, sell it via an "app store" and probably can live from it.
The most valuable currency is: time
An indian developer is in no way cheaper than an american one.
In the same way an Indian developer can get a "high payed" job in the USA (for example), everyone can get a high pay (by developing Apps) and live cheap in India ... oooops ... never occurred to you?
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Have you guys Binged Ariel Winter on Google recently?
Wait.... was that a typo?