Samsung Beat Apple In Smartphone Shipments, Profit Surges To 2-Year High (thehindu.com) 126
An anonymous reader writes: Earlier reports speculated this to be true, but now it's official: Samsung has beat Apple in smartphone shipments to lift the company to its most profitable quarter in over two years. The Hindu reports: "Riding on the strong sales of its Galaxy S7 and Galaxy S7 Edge smartphones, Samsung Electronics on Thursday declared 8.14 trillion won ($7billion) year on-year operating profit -- 18 percent in the second quarter results. Touted as bad news for Apple that saw a 15 percent decline in iPhone sales in its second quarter results announced this week, Samsung saw substantial earnings improvement led by sales of its flagship products such as Galaxy S7 and S7 edge. A streamlined mid-to low-end smartphone lineup also contributed to improved profitability for the company. According to Samsung, it shipped about 90 million handsets in the April-June period with smartphones making up more than 80 per cent of the total, the Korea Herald reported. Samsung's second-quarter smartphone shipments are estimated at about 72 million units, almost doubling Apple's iPhone shipments of 40.4 million units during the same period."
Samsung has earned it (Score:4, Interesting)
I am very impressed with my S7 Edge. It took me a little time to adjust to the curved screen, but all in all I prefer it to my iPhone 6. If Samsung continues to move forward, and Apple does not step up its game, this could be the the new normal.
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Can you easily root the S7? I heard that the S4 and forward are pretty locked down. I just bought a Nexus 5X after owning several Samsung phones in the past that were all rooted.
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I have not tried to root my phone, it's my first Android device, I am still getting truly used to it. I have seen many rooting articles online mentioning the S7, and given it's popularity I would say it is fairly easy to do (no more difficult than any other android phone).
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Well, Apple has Beats. So there.
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I have Apple Music on my Android.
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Well, Apple has Beats. So there.
You mean Apple Music.
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Well, Apple has Beats. So there.
While Samsung might have shipped more phones this quarter, Apple's net income was $7.8 billion in the fiscal third quarter that ended June 25. So they still made more money.
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I don't give a crap about either of them, as long as they supply an affordable, durable water resistant phablet, with swappable long life battery, stylus, expandable memory and 3D virtual reality glasses. I feel absolutely no need to stump for corporations unless they serve the public good, other wise fuck em (PS never ever brag about your supplier making shit bucket tons of money, just makes you look silly and gullible, as that money is coming out of your pocket. As an end user, as the customer, you shoul
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I don't give a crap about either of them, as long as they supply an affordable, durable water resistant phablet, with swappable long life battery,
You 're out of device then, period.
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So they still made more money.
I never understood why that's supposed to be a good thing, from the consumer's perspective.
Where do you think all that money is coming from?
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Apple's net income was $7.8 billion in the fiscal third quarter that ended June 25. So they still made more money.
Not by much. And Samsung is going up while Apple is going down.
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Apple's net income was $7.8 billion in the fiscal third quarter that ended June 25. So they still made more money.
Not by much. And Samsung is going up while Apple is going down.
Again, not over 2 years.
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Apple's net income was $7.8 billion in the fiscal third quarter that ended June 25. So they still made more money.
Not by much. And Samsung is going up while Apple is going down.
Again, not over 2 years.
That was then, this is now. AKA: read the writing on the wall.
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Apple's net income was $7.8 billion in the fiscal third quarter that ended June 25. So they still made more money.
Not by much. And Samsung is going up while Apple is going down.
Again, not over 2 years.
That was then, this is now. AKA: read the writing on the wall.
You should learn to read before mentioning the writing - Apple fell less than they grew the year before, while Samsung couldn't compensate for the devastating sales drop of the previous year.
Or to make it even clearer: you are trying to predict the future by pretending the one year trend will continue, while ignoring that that would have failed even more miserable than the "John Carter of Mars" movie for both Apple and Samsung two years in a row. Are you really too dumb to realize that?
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I am very impressed with my S7 Edge. It took me a little time to adjust to the curved screen, but all in all I prefer it to my iPhone 6. If Samsung continues to move forward, and Apple does not step up its game, this could be the the new normal.
This will all swap back around in September, when the iPhone 7 debuts.
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This will all swap back around in September, when the iPhone 7 debuts.
Apple's annual product bump gets smaller every year, as Apple continues to lose market share to Android and even Microsoft. How much does that suck?
And apparently Apple has run out of ideas. [wsj.com]
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I don't like my work's S6 edge's curved screen. I keep pressing stuff that I didn't want to! It might be my disabilities that I was born with. :( However, I have little problems with iPhones (4S and 6s).
Re:Samsung has earned it (Score:4, Funny)
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That's what he said. [tumblr.com]
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I am fond of my S7 as well. I just wish Samsung had the software development skills of Apple. The hardware is near perfect, but the software is slow and buggy.
Go Samsung! (Score:3, Funny)
But, But, But.... according to this earlier today: https://apple.slashdot.org/sto... [slashdot.org]
the "iphone" is the most popular product of all time!!!! It is the best thing since sliced bread! It solved all the world's problems! It changed the world! Nothing else existed before it and everything about it was brand new and innovative! The article reads like distorted wet-dream fanclub marketing propaganda, completely ignoring reality and everything that lead up to it and happened after.
Anyway, go Samsung! Nice to have quality choices in a far less walled-in environment.
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Samsung tablet user still waiting for Android 6.0 (Score:2)
It's been 9 months since the general availability of Android marshmallow, and yet the Galaxy Tab S still haven't received this update. I understand that most manufacturers these days treat tablets and tablet users as an unwanted bastard child, but the Tab S was basically Samsung's flagship tablet until almost one year ago.
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I think the way it works is you have to buy a new one.
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Well, google had this formal (or perhaps informal) agreement with the hardware companies and a promise to the consumers that all Android devices get two years of updates. I am not complaining that you get no update (supposedly it's coming). What I am saying Samsung takes almost like a year to give an update, which is ridiculous. I remember they did the same when rolling out Android 5.0.x (it took almost a year), and then they completely skipped the 5.1 and went for 6.0, which is now almost like a year old.
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Updates are the exact reason I left Android and I'm not going back until the problem is fixed. My last phone was Android 2.3 when I bought it, and it was only released 6 months before Android 4 came out. I never saw a single update to that phone. And it was an LG with the Google logo engraved on the back, so you think that Google, or LG, or somebody would stand behind the phone and offer updated software. But nope. Not a single update.
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The update problem was actually fixed. You just need to buy a Google Nexus device. They get the fastest and the most frequent updates. The way I see it, for the people who care about guaranteed fast security updates, there is only one choice, Apple or Google Nexus. On top of that, the Nexus devices often give a very good on the money spent.
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I have the 8.5 Tab S and found a marshmallow ROM for it. Was pretty easy to root and flash it. You should look into it, Samsung wont be updating it.
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More and more streaming and financial applications do not work on alternative ROMs. Confirmed with Uverse.app and Cyanogenmod.
cost too mcuh (Score:2)
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The flagship Samsung smartphones cost pretty much the same if not more.
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Yeah, but at least you get an SD card slot (I think they skipped that with the S6). And a headphone jack. I'm sure Samsung is planning a UFS slot in their next phone, which will completely blow the iPhone out of the water. Apple really needs to start giving people what they want if they want to grow their market and start capturing die-hard Android users.
UFS and microSD (Score:2)
“The new UFS cards are not compatible with the current microSD card socket. However, we have developed a socket design that can support both UFS cards and microSD cards. We are working with different partners in the industry on this integration for next-generation devices.”
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Actually, that wasn't true for this generation (the S7's). You could buy the unlocked S7 from Amazon or Best Buy. Depending on your carrier, it might be missing an LTE band or two though.
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Actually, that wasn't true for this generation (the S7's). You could buy the unlocked S7 from Amazon
Like he said; some possibly shady 3rd party reseller.
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Actually, that wasn't true for this generation (the S7's). You could buy the unlocked S7 from Amazon
Like he said; some possibly shady 3rd party reseller.
Yep. When I checked about a year ago, NONE of the third-party resellers offering unlocked Slamdung phones were "fulfilled by Amazon", which is generally code for "fly-by-night" reseller.
SD card slot is back (Score:2)
They tried to do the Apple-style memory cash grab with the S6, and consumers said no thanks. Good to see they learned their lesson. Everyone wins!
They have good engineers, but creatives ? (Score:2)
Isn't it great when these mega companies make huge profits? Not really. It's only great if they invest that money in R&D. If they are waiting around for someone else to come up with a new idea they can copy then they can go to hell. It's one thing to cut your costs to the bone to compete with innovators, but another to support a worthwhile R&D team that can move the technology forward.
Most of us know who is resting on their laurels and who are pushing the envelope. Amazon, Google, Apple, IBM, Intel
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addendum:
The companies listed also take risks. They try products/services that the public might not be ready for. This is another sign of a company that might deserve respect and possibly an investment. Again, does this fit Samsung's operation? Why do you think so?
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Well they make the displays for everyone's phones (except LG, LG like Samsung makes displays for everyone) think OLED, They make and develop memory, They have their own ARM SoC as well as having the ability to fab their own chips.
In 2014 Samsung was the #2 spender on R&D in the world, just a hair behind VW. They spent over $14 Billion USD on R&D in 2015. Compare that to Apple who spent $8.5 Billion.
Take memory, they are the first to produce
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First mass market OLED screens, 3D V-NAND Flash, etc.
Apple is good at integrating components and software design, not actually manufacture components, since they don't manufacture anything.
2 year high? (Score:3)
So clearly in 2016 Samsung is the winner because they had a terrible year in 2015, while Apple is TEH L00zer because they had an incredible 2015.
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Samsung loses despite making twice as much money and/or shipping MORE THAN twice as much product?
Yeah. Strange Appley world you live in.
Sure it's not "as good" an improvement in the year-to-years, but a company with smaller sales can make an percentage increase in sales much easier than a company with already a vast majority of the market.
Meanwhile iPhones are outnumbered 3:1 or more across the globe.
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Samsung loses despite making twice as much money and/or shipping MORE THAN twice as much product?
Let's ignore again that Samsung's sales are dropping.
The dd not make more money.. You are confuddeling revenue with profit.
Why is this news? (Score:2)
Samsung has been beating Apple in smartphone shipments since 2012.
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That's not a put-down, either; at least for those on the most recent devices. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be on the fastest, newest, shiniest hardware, and people on both sides do it.
If Samsung's sales are only higher than Apple's over the past quarter simply because, as you claim, Android phones need t
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Most of those serial updates get new smartphone every year, because people will buy anything if you give them a credit and an installment plan. That's how it works.
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Funny, every iPhone owner I know upgrades yearly.
Yeah, yeah, all two of them.
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So why do you think your anecdotal evidence is relevant?
If most people upgrade their device yearly, why would Apple bother providing iOS updates for circa 2011 iPhone 4s?
Even iOS 10,when released will support every phone released since 2012.
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So why do you think your anecdotal evidence is relevant?
For a start, I know a lot of people with iPhones. Enough to be statistically relevant. We're not talking about my phone, we're talking about several dozen, if not over a hundred phones belonging to people I know and communicate with frequently enough to notice they've upgraded their phone. If I was simply talking about my or my wife's upgrade habits, or maybe a handful of my closest friend,s you might have a valid point; but we're not and you don't.
If most people upgrade their device yearly, why would Apple bother providing iOS updates for circa 2011 iPhone 4s?
Because, as I said in my previous post:
Some are behind the curve, upgrading to the from the 3yr old device to the 2yr old device because they're broke AF, but they all upgrade yearly.
Apple still sells th
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"Several dozen people" when Apple will probably sell 160 million phones is not "statistically significant". "the people you know who own iPhones" are not representative of a product that is sold globally.
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To my point, a sample size of only 97 grants us a 10% margin of error given your proposed population of 160 million; my sample size i
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Did you forget about the *representative* sample part? Are your "dozens" of friends representative of the cross section of the worldwide customer base of people who use iPhones?
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Did you forget about the *representative* sample part?
Nope.
Are your "dozens" of friends representative of the cross section of the worldwide customer base of people who use iPhones?
First of all, I never said "friends", I said "every iPhone owner I know" and "people I know and communicate with frequently". That mostly includes colleagues and clients and, yes, that group consists of people of all races, genders, sexual orientations, income levels, and nationalities, both in the US and abroad, so I should think it does.
Save yourself some time and embarrassment, review my posting history and realize the following: If I open my mouth, I have a high degree of certainty that I am corr
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It's "embarrassing" that you think your "dozens of contacts" would pass muster as a longitudinal cross section of all iPhone users. Your "high degree of certainty" at being right puts you in the company of young-earth creationists and anti-vaxxers.
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Get a clue.
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I'm claiming no such thing. I'm saying that Apple sells the iPhone in 100+ countries and have 200+ carriers. Does your sample size represent all of those countries and carriers? Different carrier have different marketing techniques. Is your sample size representative of the different ways that carriers sell phones and does your sample size have the same ratio? Some carriers have a lease program that would encourage yearly upgrades. Other carriers make you pay the full price up front. Any of your contacts i
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So now you've claimed to "have done a study"?
Care to show your statitistical model and sample in relation to how many phones each carrier sold in each region?
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So now you've claimed to "have done a study"?
More of one than you have.
Care to show your statitistical model and sample in relation to how many phones each carrier sold in each region?
No. None of that is relevant to how often the average iPhone user upgrades their fucking phone, you dolt.
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It's completely relevant. How often someone buys a new phone would be a function of whether a certain culture sees a phone as a fashion accessory, whether they have have to pay for the phone up front, the relativel cost of the phone compared to their income, whether the carrier has an installment plan or lease plan. Used phones sell better in some countries than others etc.
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If they upgrade would be dependent on all those factors. So unless you both have a large enough sample of the given population and that sample is proportional your sample size of "dozens" means nothing.
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So your sample covers the iPhone buying set taking all the variables into account in the representative proportions? Have you taken into consideration all of the variables in your sample dara? Have you studied the different markets where Apple sells iPhones to know what proportions of their phones are sold in which geographic area?
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And you didn't answer the rest of the questions. At this point it's kind of obvious that you never studied proper statistical analysis....
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I'll assume you simply didn't see that. But seriously, we're done here.
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Will it finally do as much as the Samsung Galaxy S4?
Samsung is several years ahead in every way on their devices. I don't know why it's taking so long for apple users to notice this and switch, but finally they're doing so.
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I've never been able to put my finger on it, honestly. And yes, I did
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I'll admit I've never tried iOS on a tablet, only Android, but I love android on a tablet.
That said, I have used iOS on a phone unfortunately, work had me saddled with an iPhone until a few months ago when I finally convinced them to let me upgrade to a refurbished Galaxy S5, night and day difference, I am so much happier now, the S5 does so much more than the iPhone did, and is MUCH easier to use too. You also just can't beat Android's consistent UI, the fragmented mess that are apps in the iOS world are i
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You should to
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every time I have to use my wife's iPhone for anything I just want to throw the thing. It's not like I don't know or understand the interface, I'm a fairly heavy iPad user; iOS on a phone just doesn't feel the same as iOS on a tablet.
Other than the fact that most people use the iPad in Landscape and the iPhone in Portrait the majority of the time, and the differences in screen size, there simply aren't any significant differences in iOS usage on phone vs. Tablet. But you already know that.
It must just be a matter of user expectation on your part, or possibly what you typically use each device for. Other than that, I can't imagine why you would have such diametrically-opposed feelings about the same OS on the two devices.
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there simply aren't any significant differences in iOS usage on phone vs. Tablet
Except that I pull my phone out when I need to get at some piece of information quickly and I pull my iPad out when I'm settling in to do something that's maybe going to take a bit longer. In the latter case, the OS interface being a little slower matters less because a larger percentage of time is spent in-app, while in the former case a larger percentage of time is spent in the OS interface, so efficiency there matters much more.
I've, frankly, found the widgets and notifications available in iOS far les
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On the other hand, for those who do care more about hardware capabilities than i
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I guess, and I'm sure you've picked this up from our past conversations, the reason I feel so strongly about this, the reason it frustrates me so, is that I really want to like the iPhone. I wanted to even moreso when my primary computer was a Mac, it would have made things so much simpler, but every time I pick one up I just want to get it out of my hand as quickly as possible.
I am interested to see what happens with iOS 10; because it looks like Apple is beginning to fundamentally change some of the UI.
But, given your professed love for your iPad Pro (I'm jealous, BTW), your hatred of the iPhone with the heat of a thousand Suns simply doesn't make much sense, NFC-annoyance aside. I honestly really like my 6+, and other than a little occasional wonkiness with the gyro-reading of Portrait vs. Landscape orientations, I couldn't be happier. But obviously YMMV...
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Shipped != sold (Score:2)
Anyone can spike market share by shipping into channels. Indeed if you have the capacity to overship you either are building too much inventory or too much manufacturing capacity.
But is is none-the-less an interesting indicator of possible sales expectations.
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Samsung has been accused of channel stuffing every single quarter for years. If you really think that the retailers are being shipped more than they can sell, by a large enough margin to make a statistical difference, every quarter for years, where exactly do you think those phones are going? I can tell you that no retailer is going to continue placing orders for new stock if they can't sell it, and they aren't going to just keep storing it forever either. Samsung also can't afford to keep making phones tha
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"eventually". It just frontloads the year into a quarter
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And yet they get accused of it all 4 quarters every year... so I don't think that explanation makes any sense either.
It seems much more logical to conclude that the people making the accusation are desperately grasping at straws because they don't like to believe the truth.
Re:Pogolobotog monkeys win the slig?! (Score:5, Insightful)
Parent post and TFA made equal amount of sense.
After all, there is a vast difference between a shipment (sending the product to a warehouse or store) and a sale (customer actually purchasing the product).
It's nice that Samsung shipped more phones than Apple, but how many of them are sitting in a stuffed channel, as opposed to sitting in customer hands as a sold item?
Apple only reports actual sales, so until/unless Samsung reports actual sales, TFA means absolutely nothing at all, and looks awfully the same as Microsoft's old Xbox channel-stuffing antics.
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Parent post and TFA made equal amount of sense.
After all, there is a vast difference between a shipment (sending the product to a warehouse or store) and a sale (customer actually purchasing the product).
Yeah, this is a commonly quoted 'defence' whenever someone gets sad that Apple are being outsold by . It might be true on occasion that shipment figures are bigger than sales but in general, where do you think these phones are being shipped *to*? Why would anyone buy then if they weren't pretty sure they could sell them on? Shipments equal sales over a reasonable period of time, because if they don't you have a valuable warehouse costing someone a whole boatload of money as the inventory depreciates.
Re: Pogolobotog monkeys win the slig?! (Score:2)
That's not true. Apple reports a device as sold as soon as the retailer takes shipment. This is standard accounting. Apple "sells" the phone to the retailer not to the end user - except of course phones that are in stock in the Apple Stores.
If you read most of Apple's quarterly financial discussions, they will talk about either number of devices "in the channel" or the change in the number of devices in the channel. Given that number, you can calculate sell through. But that's not the number of devices sold
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The only thing that keeps the Mac relevant and growing is the need to develop for iOS.
They sell 4+ million Macs every quarter just to iOS developers? Yeah, sure.
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FWIW: Apple just had a blowout quarter. Share price is way up.
Also, there is Apple watch, and Apple pay; although neither of those seem to be going anywhere.
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In the 1990s, Apple made high margins on their PCs, and almost went bankrupt.
Businesses preferred the much less expensive Windows boxes. So windows became the standard.
Once you control the standard, everybody else is an also-ran.
If Android because the dominate standard in smart phones, Apple is in serious trouble. I think Apple makes about 60% of their revenue, and 80% of their profits from iPhones. If iPhone sales slip, it might be 1997 all over again.
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How is that relevant to iOS vs Android, when a Samsung device costs just as much as an iPhone?
Which also means that Apple has more room to engage in a price war, if it comes down to that.
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If Apple starts slashing prices then it's game over for them. The sell a high margin, aspirational device that, like jewellery, people want because it's overpriced and exclusive. Having the latest one is a sign of affluence and membership of a club, being part of something.
If they make it cheap then it becomes just another low-mid range phone, with two year old hardware.
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Because Samsung's flagship S7 products aren't the only Android phones on the market. Which is why iPhone only has 15% of the smartphone market share. Android is the standard.
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Because Samsung's flagship S7 products aren't the only Android phones on the market. Which is why iPhone only has 15% of the smartphone market share. Android is the standard.
So Android is the standard for what exactly? Cheap phones used to replace and in the same way as dumb phones?
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It's been like a decade since the first iPhone was released. Even a "cheap smartphone" has much better h/w specs than an iPhone 4S. You can get an Android phone with similar hardware specs to a top end iPhone for nearly half the price. Unless you are one of those persons who cares more about the box than what's inside you don't buy Apple... The S7 has way superior hardware specs where it counts.
Much like the PC market had Compaq, HP, Dell, and Intergraph workstations at one point, of course the S7 is more e
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Uh, you would hope so, compared to a five year old device.
Yes, just as you can buy a laptop "with similar specs" to a Macbook Pro for half as much money, as long as you're going to settle for three times the weight and pretend a spinning disk is equivalent to PCI-E based storage.
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It's been like a decade since the first iPhone was released. Even a "cheap smartphone" has much better h/w specs than an iPhone 4S. You can get an Android phone with similar hardware specs to a top end iPhone for nearly half the price
Then why even Android fan sites test those cheap Android phones as being shit? Why do Fandroids on Slashdot treat somebody like an idiot for buying them? Or even the "wrong" "high-end" one?
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Treating like an idiot? I haven't seen that happen. Of course if you want to flash custom ROMs and things like that you would be better off buying a Google Nexus phone. But I could care less about that. I bought some cheap phone for like half the cost of a 6S and it had better hardware specs except for storage which I solved by buying a memory card (the phone has an expansion slot) for peanuts.
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Yes, Android it's also the operating system powering the dumb feature phone segment of the market. But that cheap crap is far from being in the same class as a new Galaxy or an iPhone.
See above. It also helps sales when your devices are no longer updated after the first year.
Only for Fandroids.
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And the basis for this tautology? And why would they care after they've destroyed other brands in a price war? Apple can cut their prices 20% and still make a tidy profit. Samsung cuts their prices 20%, and their balls are in the bandsaw.
New Samsung phone snazzier than a year old (nearly) product from a competitor. This shocking, shocking d
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What do you think they do with their shipped phones? They all end-up being sold, even if it is with a discount. If they ship too many phones during a quarter, it will hurt their shipment for the next. In the end, it's the same thing. You can't ship twice has many phones for years and not sell them.