Bill Gates's Net Worth Hits $90 Billion (bloomberg.com) 177
schwit1 quotes a report from Bloomberg: The net worth of the world's richest person Bill Gates hit $90 billion on Friday, fueled by gains in public holdings including Canadian National Railway Company and Ecolab Inc. Gates's fortune is now $13.5 billion bigger than that of the world's second-wealthiest person, Spanish retail mogul Amancio Ortega, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index. At $90 billion, the Microsoft Corp. co-founder's net worth is equal to 0.5 percent of U.S. GDP. Less than two weeks ago, Bill Gates topped Forbes' "100 Richest Tech Billionaires In The World 2016" (Warning: may be paywalled) list with an estimated fortune of $78 billion.
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even his Foundation requires Windows which should be a conflict of interest.
It's his money, so he gets to decide who to give it to. Nothing wrong with that.
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I would.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
* http://skeptics.stackexchange.... [stackexchange.com]
Anyone only needs to study the history of MS to see how they -effectively- drove tech company after company out of business.
Stac Electronics, Borland, etc.
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Driving your competitors out of business is not a crime.
I followed MS quite closely and they beat many companies fair and square in the market place. Their first questionable kill was when they built incompatibility directed to DRDOS. This seems to have marked the beginning of a transition on how MS operates, not long after they did STAC and many other questionable deals in which they were using their size to get an advantageous position rather than technical quality.
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You should hate the game not the players.
The game can't go one without the players. The most powerful players have paid to have the rules changed. You can't hate the game without hating the players.
American capitalism has seen much worse in the past 200-300 years than Gates.
Let me just stroll up and give you a stab wound on the premise that it's better than being shot in the face.
Microsoft is actually a rather decent company in the end.
The DoJ said differently. They said it abused its monopoly position in basically every way possible.
I'd be much more worried about the startups of our latest ongoing IT bubble.
I'm more concerned about large, entrenched companies proven in court to be harmful.
Those guys want nothing more than money and power.
And you think BG is a nice guy? What a moron you are.
Nope, no wealth inequality here (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here (Score:5, Insightful)
doesn't that mean taking my money and giving to some dumb lazy bum?
This is exactly the sort of belief that keeps society locked into the status quo. If you redistributed wealth as most people agreed as fair [motherjones.com], then sure, lazy bums would get more money. So would every single blue and pink collar worker, most managers, and basically everyone who isn't a rockstar or fortune 500 executive. You have no idea how badly you're being fucked and yet you continue to cheer for it. Why?
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Also because of the fact that people with less money do not sit on that money but are forced to spend it on essentials, the economy as a whole would increase more if you spread the money around. If you spread that money around more people would benefit,even people at the top, they may have a smaller slice of the pie, but the pie would get larger.
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That will be happening shortly. We're either getting a UBI or the people who are unemployable are going to have a lot of free time to break into people's houses and take what they need to live.
I pay a decent amount in federal income taxes. I wish more went to lazy bums.
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I'd rather my money went to lazy bums, rather than selfish cunts. I don't really see what's wrong with being a lazy bum - it doesn't actually do anyone any harm, especially since there isn't actually enough meaningful labour for everyone to do. Selfish and greedy cunts on the other hand are usually the first to take things for themselves and leave others without. Mine, mine, mine.
Each to there own though, eh?
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No, the real problem with socialism is not the harm it does to the economy due to the direct action of taking money from savers and giving it to spenders. That is bad enough, but the true problem is that those transfers due terrible things to the human psyche:
http://econlog.econlib.org/arc... [econlib.org]
If you change the reward structure of society and make it random, moral behavior stops. If you take from workers and give to non-workers, not only do people stop working they also start stealing, raping, and killing a
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You and I might be able to run out of money but society can't run out of money. At this point it's just a electronic ledger controlled by the Federal Reserve. Creating more money is simple as adding some zeroes to a column in some fancy Excel sheet. This happens all the time, but currently it's put into circulation through loans to corporations. A top down approach.
Giving money out to individuals through some sort of UBI system would be a bottom up approach. That money is going to be spent on goods and serv
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wealth equality? doesn't that mean taking my money and giving to some dumb lazy bum? I'll take wealth inequality thanks very much
If you start with a couple of million, you get easily invest it to get greater than the average person's income from a full time job, except without having to lift a finger.
How's that for being a "dumb lazy bum"?
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the same investment return rates are open to anyone as to person with $2M.
if you have degree that leads to six figure salary after 10-15 years, no excuse not to have 2M in retirement account.
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FYI, 1% of 330 million is 1.55 million. Pointing out how many people are in the 1% makes you look like you fail at math.
The current GDP per capita is $53k, if everyone got the same amount of money, that is how much you would get every year right now (it would be far less, but this is a good example). Now, if you think that is a raise, perhaps you should go out and get a degree, or work hard in a technology field and start earning more money. I almost make double that amount, and I would not say that I am
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Forgot the link:
https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com]
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Sorry but there's no way one person should be allowed to acquire so much personal wealth that in the list of the worlds 191 countries by GDP, he individually is the 68th richest.
http://statisticstimes.com/eco... [statisticstimes.com]
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Why? Because you say so? Because you haven't been smart/lucky/whatever enough to get such a fortune?
Regardless of how you feel about the guy he earned his money. He didn't have daddy give him a few million to get started (like Trump did), nor have daddy bail him out to protect him from his own incompetence (like both Bush and Trump had done).
Gates is the one who came up with the idea, ran with it, invested his money (initially) and created Microsoft. He then used his money to take on more risk for which he
Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here (Score:5, Insightful)
No, just be on the board of IBM to help him get MS DOS on literally every machine. And his dad was worth millions, so getting some startup cash wasn't impossible.
That said, he is giving away a lot of his cash.
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That said, he is giving away a lot of his cash.
Bill Gates is not giving away money. He is spending it. He claims to be spending it on humanitarian aid, but he really isn't. He's spending it to disrupt education, he's spending it to spread strong IP law. He's spending it, ironically, to make more of it; the foundation is invested in profitable businesses which are literally killing people [latimes.com] . After that story broke the foundation announced that it would review the ethics of its investments, then un-announced that (took the announcement down from their PR
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His dad wasn't on the board of IBM. His mom was in the board of a charity where she had met the chair of IBM. Even so, IBM wanted CP/M but Gary Kildall blew up the deal, only then did IBM approached Bill Gates and asked him if he could provide an OS for the new IBM PC.
Sure, the connection did help, but it wasn't pivotal to the deal. They were already in talks with Microsoft to buy Microsoft Basic which was the standard back then, shipped with all personal computers from all makers. They offered Microsoft t
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Money is cheap now. But, yes, Steve Jobs and Woz didn't have millionaire parents. But my comment was in relation to Trump (who got a lot of start up capital/connections/cosigning from his dad.) I was just pointing out that Gates could get a lot of those same boosts.
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The OP brought up Trump. The OP said Gates was better than Trump because he didn't have Daddy's money. My response to that (that he in fact did) is what you're responding to.
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He didn't have daddy give him a few million to get started
Hahaha...maybe you should look into how his mommy helped him start Microsoft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Maxwell_Gates
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It doesn't get much better than that.
hmmm..... ...
Weird - no software patents, skalp CP/M and
http://forwardthinking.pcmag.c... [pcmag.com]
After a couple of years then...
In his 43-page conclusions of law, Judge Jackson's final judgment on the evidence, the judge wrote that ''the court concludes that Microsoft maintained its monopoly power by anticompetitive means and attempted to monopolize the Web browser market,'' as well as ''unlawfully tying its Web browser to its operating system'' -- all in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.
(http://www.nytimes.c
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The thing is, that if you have money, and you manage it properly, it will just grow. How much wealth is somebody allowed to accumulate? 5 million? 50 million? 500 million? 5 billion? 50 billion. Once you reach that first number, you can make a lot more money simply by making smart investments with your money.
Bill Gates made his money because he owned a lot of stock in a company that started out small and became very big. Unless you seize the stocks that he has, there isn't really much of a way to take tha
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Do we want to dis-incentivize people from creating the next Microsoft
Yes, of course. I wish he hadn't created the first one!
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Does anyone really think that if Bill Gates had been told he could never have been worth more than $10 billion, he would have somehow not created Microsoft?
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He might very well have created Microsoft, then abandoned it when the maximum he could get from it was approaching $10 billion.
Without Microsoft having continued so far, computing would be very different today. If Microsoft had stagnated (Anti-Microsoft jokes elsewhere, please) with Windows 95, and left computing to newer upstarts, I expect we wouldn't have anywhere near the compatibility and interoperability we have today. Even among non-Microsoft OSes, interoperability is a mandatory feature. In contrast,
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Without Microsoft having continued so far, computing would be very different today.
Yes, it would be literally years farther forward ahead, which is what the DoJ found when they found them guilty of abusing their monopoly position — right before Ashcroft (under Bush) decided that they would not even get a handslap for it.
If Microsoft had stagnated (Anti-Microsoft jokes elsewhere, please) with Windows 95, and left computing to newer upstarts, I expect we wouldn't have anywhere near the compatibility and interoperability we have today.
What? You are clearly clinically insane. Microsoft has always been the enemy of compatibility and interoperability. They create their own garbage protocols and APIs when the industry already has protocols that do the same thing. They buy out companies making cross-pl
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I think you missed my point.
Yes, there were standards without Microsoft. There were a lot of them, usually competing and incompatible. Sure, they were open, but vendors still usually picked one based on their own technical preferences, leaving a lot of work to actually achieve interoperability between systems who chose competing standards. Lots of jobs for the programmers writing interface layers, but utter crap for actually making progress.
Microsoft's monopoly forced everyone's hand. Microsoft's way was ra
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Microsoft was a public company. Even if Gates quit, someone would still have pushed it forward. And I doubt he would keep his $10 billion after the shareholder lawsuit if he said, "I got mine, shut it down." Heck, I would imagine that the purchase of shares would include golden handcuffs to prevent him stepping down at all.
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Do we want to dis-incentivize people from creating the next Microsoft, or the next Amazon, or the next Apple? The fact that you can become ultra rich creates an incentive to build these large companies up from the ground, creating new products, and creating new jobs for the rest of the people.
The top tax rate was 70% back when Microsoft and Apple were formed.
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Re:Nope, no wealth inequality here (Score:4, Insightful)
Sorry but there's no way one person should be allowed to acquire so much personal wealth that in the list of the worlds 191 countries by GDP, he individually is the 68th richest.
http://statisticstimes.com/eco... [statisticstimes.com]
Using the word "allowed" kind of implies that there should be laws against becoming rich. That's a terrible idea. The real issue is that society has become so tilted in the favor of the rich that individual humans have more wealth than many countries. Don't hate the ultra-rich person, hate the world that created them.
Go one better! (Score:2)
Don't hate the ultra-rich person, hate the world that created them.
I can go one better!
These ultra-rich persons only exist in a universe that allows matter to interact.
Don't hate the world that created the ultra rich, hate the universe that creates such worlds!
(Not that I'm not trying to deflect blame or anything. I'm sure you weren't either.)
Stay off the slippery slope (Score:3, Insightful)
"Rich" is a vague and subjective term that GP never used.
The story of the artisan from Plato's The Republic is interesting and rational. There are two failures with Gates. First, he has failed society by hoarding. Then again he has displayed a tremendous amount of sociopathic tendencies so we should not be too surprised. Second, the State has failed by allowing him to hoard that much personal wealth. I use Plato as my reference.
There should absolutely be a wealth cap. Sorry if you don't like it, but u
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Instead of a wealth cap, which removes the incentive to provide value to society, perhaps a wealth tax should be levied on wealth beyond a certain level.
A 1%/year tax on net wealth would encourage productive use of wealth, so that wealth then necessarily benefits society.
There are good justifications for this, because wealth is protected by the state and the people, and so those whose wealth we are protecting, should pay for that protection, and about 1% flat wealth tax beyond a reasonable amount (maybe $2M
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Horse shit! Read US History from 1776 to Present. Since we began to track the _personal_ income tax, the through the first 70 years of so of the tax, anything over a million dollars in yearly income was taxed Federally at 90%. We had boom after boom in this country with a wealth cap, and Wealth Disparity in the US was one of the best in the world improving steadily year after year. Since we removed the cap (thanks Dick! Nixon that is) we have done nothing but go in the opposite direction. A _reasonab
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I don't need an economist, because you prove you don't know what you are talking about.
That's not a wealth cap, it's an income tax. The high rate makes it an "effective" INCOME cap, but that has nothing to do with wealth.
Wealth is your total value (holdings minus debts), while income is a delta to wealth.
Income caps aren't fantastic ideas either, (note it was a high but progressive tax, and not an actual cap), but you shouldn't confuse income with wealth.
Medicate (Score:1)
In your very diminished mind a scaling tax can't work as a wealth cap? Income tax was one of many taxes used to equalize wealth, and the heaviest used. We have and had others which were changed at the same time as the Income tax (Capital Gains, Estate) but those worked _after_ accumulation.
No wonder you can't name a reference for your position. It's based in delusional fantasyland which does not exist. You should really get on medication for your mental handicap.
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Actually, UBI has been proposed many times by many high profile economists, you should be able to find these yourself. Yes, there are economists and economic thinkers from a long time back that advocate wealth taxes, or similar, or partial implementations of it. You should be able to find these too. I'm not going to help you because you come across as rude and ignorant.
No amount of income tax, no matter how progressive, or capital gains tax (also a tax on deltas), etc, can act as a wealth cap. Simple logic
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(Ignoring your views on windows for a moment here). Let's say we capped Bill's net wealth at $1B, once he got that $1B, he could have dismantled MS and stopped development of Windows entirely. There's no incentive to continue with a wealth cap, so why not?
No, wealth is the incentive capitalism uses to provide value to society. Every trade provides a benefit to both the consumer and the producer, or otherwise, they would not participate in that trade.
However, there do exist economic rents, monopolies form, a
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It's not 90 billion USD in wealth.
It's 90 billion USD in assets, most of them are "at work".
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It's 90 billion USD in assets, most of them are "at work".
Yes, at work killing people [latimes.com]. Note the age of this story; nothing has changed. How many people have been killed by Gates' investments to date? How much damage has that money done to the ecosphere?
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We don't need a wealth cap. All we need is to eliminate tax dodges like the Gates Foundation; its first job is to make more money, its second job is to spread strong IP law to developing nations, and its third job is to make Gates look good. It is exactly like the Rockefeller foundation. We should also have a steady and useful rate of inflation which discourages hoarding cash. If you want your money to not lose value, you should have to invest it in something with value. That is how jobs are created.
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The funny thing is both of your points are completely incoherent because Gates isn't hoarding anything. Unfortunately I haven't read The Republic so I'm not sure if your misuse of the word "hoarding" is a fatal flaw in your argument, or merely funny.
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A big part of this (in the U.S.) is the capital gains tax. And no, not in the way you think.
Yeah the long-term capital gains tax is 15%, which is lower than many tax brackets. But those tax brackets are graduated, meaning you can be in the 25% or 28% tax bracket and still be paying less than 15% overall. In fact after accounting for average deductions and exemptions, the threshold at which the average American reaches a 15% t
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But isn't he kinda like the exception that proves the rule and the reason there's so much interest(hype/fanboys/haters etc) surrrounding him?
Who in the top 100 makes similar types of investments that does not revolve around just securing more money safely?
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Apparently, he can't give it away fast enough. That's a problem with philanthropic efforts, if the Gates foundation had a goal to utilize $45B in the next 15 years, it would take a massive operation to administer that - average $3B per year, average 1 FTE overseeing each 10 million dollars per year project, that's full time employment for 300 people for the next 15 years.
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http://www.gatesfoundation.org... [gatesfoundation.org]
Currently giving away ~$4B / year against a ~$40B endowment, with 1376 employees (no clear statement of employee commitment hours per year).
did he win the Powerball or something? (Score:2)
Other admirable traits (Score:5, Insightful)
I seriously admire Bill for the passion he has for helping the world's most vulnerable -- and in that vein I'm surprised to see his stockpile of cash going UP and not down...
I seriously admire his talent for amassing huge sums of money by breaking the law, and getting away with a slap on the wrist.
I don't have that level of chutzpah - I'd have always been afraid of getting caught. He must have had a different upbringing from mine.
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This! I wish I had mod points. Crime obviously does pay. Donating parts of the ill gotten doesn't make the crime go away.
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Oh yes Gates is real gangster. Why, one time he even bundled a web browser with his operating system!!!! I don't know why he isn't rotting in a prison cell right now. It's all blood money I tells ya.
Jesus Christ you people sound stupid.
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If the money is made good use of in the process then it's win-win. Who says you have to be self-sacrificing to help others?
The problem is that the money is being used to do evil [latimes.com]. Gates is investing in businesses which are killing the people he's claiming to be helping. As it turns out, you do have to be self-sacrificing to help others.
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If the money is made good use of in the process then it's win-win. Who says you have to be self-sacrificing to help others?
The problem is that the money is being used to do evil [latimes.com]. Gates is investing in businesses which are killing the people he's claiming to be helping. As it turns out, you do have to be self-sacrificing to help others.
You keep posting this same link like it is some horrible smoking gun, but all the article says is that the investments of the Gates Foundation don't follow the same principles of the charitable works the foundation does. That is disappointing, but hardly counts as killing people. Or at least, if that is killing people, anyone with investments in S&P index funds is equally culpable.
The Gates foundation directly spends billions on philanthropic causes that are widely agreed to be legitimate and useful.
No biggie (Score:5, Funny)
I am also worth $90 billion, give or take $90 billion.
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Sad that most of our working lives sum up to little more than a rounding error.
Greedy Fuck. (Score:1)
If you are a billionaire and you need more money then FUCK YOU.
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No, no, FU is the "type" of money a billionaire has. Incidentally, most of money billionaires have is not money in the sense you are thinking of it. It is tied up in investments and such. Think Bam-Bam Trump when asked about his net worth...enormous...he cannot tell you how enormous it is, it is that big...unless he was forced into translating it into actual cash, then it would be quite small, unlike for real billionaires.
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Please don't make excuses for greedy fucks. It puts you in a bad light.
Batten down the hatches - a bubble's bout to burst (Score:2, Interesting)
The central banks of the world are conjuring money out of thin air and using it to buy stocks, which are ownership claims on real businesses with real assets, made of real materials in a universe dominated by the laws of thermodynamics [1]. Think about this absurdity and the implications for holders of fiat currency.
Therefore, the marginal buyer is increasingly a central bank that can create as much money as it wants, consequences be damned. When this ends, I suspect equities, like most other asset classes,
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The central banks of the world are conjuring money out of thin air and using it to buy stocks
Cite? I'm not aware of any central bank buying stocks. The "quantitative easing" they're doing -- AFAIK -- is all bond purchasing, which means they're not buying ownership in real businesses, they're lending money to real businesses.
Concurrently, interest rates are artificially low
That's debatable. Without the actions of the central banks, we would likely be in a deflationary cycle. Assuming interest rates naturally adjusted accordingly, they should go very low, or even negative. Some of the central banks have gone to slightly negative interest rates, but
Uhh... (Score:1)
Warning: It's a waste of everyone's time to post something that can't be viewed.
so just imagine (Score:2)
a beowulf cluster of bill gates' fortunes
Countdown on to the world's first trillionaire (Score:2)
Who is it going to be? I'm betting on it being some hospital administrator.
my proposed financial plan (Score:2)
Rothschild (Score:1)
"Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws." --Rothschild, 1744
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Why can you make heads or tales of them? Did you read Hillarys or Obamas? Or is it just an excuse for you to be mad at Trump?
You should be more mad at what is going on there. BillG got his buddy WarrenB to get Obama to basically nuke their biggest competitor from orbit and make it look like they were doing a good thing. WarrenB gave BillG a heads up in what to get into. Between the two of them they have locked up about 80% of the rail shipping market in America.
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You mean... (Score:1)
Meanwhile Hillary broke the law...
No, she didn't. She was careless. Being careless is not illegal.
Wait... you mean she *didn't* lie to congress?
That damn mainstream media, always distorting the truth!
Next I suppose you'll be telling me she didn't come under sniper fire in Bosnia!
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What is manslaughter?
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She was careless. Being careless is not illegal.
When you're dealing with classified material (and hence the opposition is nation-states) there are certain procedures that you are required to follow.
In order to be cleared to handle those classified materials you get briefed on those procedures,
Once briefed you need to contractually agree to folow those procedures, with jail time as punishment for non-compliance.
Less politically connected people who failed to follow those procedures (and get caught) did in the past go to jail.
Merely by having the private s
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Meanwhile Hillary broke the law... No, she didn't. She was careless. Being careless is not illegal.
There's thousands of folks in prison who will be excited to hear they have been exonerated because they didn't mean to do what they did! In fact, there are people in prison right now for leaking classified documents accidentally. However, they weren't extremely rich and powerful...
Being careless IS illegal if you commit a crime in your carelessness.
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OK. Say it is.
Is it ethical? Is it something acceptable to you?
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good point.
However politicians pass all sorts of compliance laws. Among the purposes of these laws is to ascertain who did what when; who knew what when. Running an email server to bypass compliance regulations is not ethical. (Although it may technically have been legal for the S of S. I'm not an attorney so I don't know how the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed.)
Running the email server out of her house was clearly done to circumvent compliance and FOI requests.
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From https://www.fbi.gov/news/press... [fbi.gov]
Our investigation looked at whether there is evidence classified information was improperly stored or transmitted on that personal system, in violation of a federal statute making it a felony to mishandle classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way, or a second statute making it a misdemeanor to knowingly remove classified information from appropriate systems or storage facilities.
Yes, being careless with classified information IS illegal. Perhaps you would like to argue with James Comey about what is legal and not? Unfortunately, because Hillary is well connected, and wealthy, no prosecutor would take the case, it doesn't make it any less illegal. This on top of the official records act laws others mentioned.
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I don't get why Canckles email thing is an issue - the moment any type of crime is mentioned, the current failure will pardon the next failure.
It's really a non issue. Not because she isn't a criminal, it's just that the criminals are in charge.
This is the Daley machine nationwide. Until we crack down on all government criminals from city to state to nationwide, our votes won't be counted.
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Mainstream media is hiding the fact that Trump is the president of NAMBLA. Lots of people know, but are too afraid of what Trump will do to them.
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True, but Trump has a nude picture of Marlon Brando as a child as his phones background image.