HAARP Holds Open House To Dispel Rumors Of Mind Control (adn.com) 148
An anonymous Slashdot reader writes:
HAARP -- the former Air Force/Navy/DARPA research program in Alaska -- will host an open house Saturday where "We hope to show people that it is not capable of mind control and not capable of weather control and all the other things it's been accused of..." said Sue Mitchell, spokesperson for the geophysical institute at the University of Alaska. "We hope that people will be able to see the actual science of it." HAARP, which was turned over to The University of Alaska last August, has been blamed for poor crop yields in Russia, with conspiracy theorists also warning of "a super weapon capable of mind control or weather control, with enough juice to trigger hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes."
The facility's 180 high-frequency antennas -- spread across 33 acres -- will be made available for public tours, and there will also be interactive displays and an unmanned aircraft 'petting zoo'. The Alaska Dispatch News describes it as "one of the world's few centers for high-power and high-frequency study of the ionosphere... important because radio waves used for communication and navigation reflect back to Earth, allowing long-distance, short-wave broadcasting."
The facility's 180 high-frequency antennas -- spread across 33 acres -- will be made available for public tours, and there will also be interactive displays and an unmanned aircraft 'petting zoo'. The Alaska Dispatch News describes it as "one of the world's few centers for high-power and high-frequency study of the ionosphere... important because radio waves used for communication and navigation reflect back to Earth, allowing long-distance, short-wave broadcasting."
They're not capable of mind control... (Score:5, Funny)
Re: They're not capable of mind control... (Score:2, Insightful)
Lol that's why they are "getting together" to "dispell" rumors. Why don't they turn on their big brainwasher and use that to dispell rumors.
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Its purpose was to analyze the ionosphere and investigate the potential for developing ionospheric enhancement technology for radio communications and surveillance. The HAARP program operated a major sub-arctic facility, named the HAARP Research Station, on an Air Force-owned site near Gakona, Alaska.
Work on the HAARP Station began in 1993. The current working IRI was completed in 2007, and its prime contractor was BAE Systems Advanced Technologies. As of 2008, HAARP had incurred around $250 million in tax-funded construction and operating costs. It was reported to be temporarily shut down in May 2013, awaiting a change of contractors. In May 2014, it was announced that the HAARP program would be permanently shut down later in the year. Ownership of the facility and its equipment was transferred to the University of Alaska Fairbanks in mid-August 2015.
So if it were a successful secret mind-control/weather-control tool, the military decided it didn't work, er something. Of course, in my mind, it does seem a bit odd that they spent so much money, in Alaska of all places, to choose to test radio communications and surveillance. Just a hunch, but maybe that's because Alaska has cleaner air to transmit through?
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TL;DR.
Your fine rant, though, ignores the fact that the Iraq war is the one without an actual reason. The war in Afghanistan started because they were harboring Osama bin Laden, and we demanded they turn him over to answer for what al-Qaeda had done. It certainly went off the rails from there, with many people believing the Taliban had something to do with 9/11, but the original reason for the war was good enough to pass muster with a large coalition, including multiple nations that have had a significant
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There were two main reasons. One was that Osama bin Laden was in Afghanistan. The other was that a large amount of the perpetrators of 9/11 had been in Al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan.
As for how they found the perpetrators so quickly isn't particularly hard. They checked the passenger lists and Al-Qaeda had bombed the World Trade Center [wikipedia.org] before so it wasn't much of a stretch to assume they were doing it again. So basically all they had to do was check for possible links to Al-Qaeda. Basically anyone w
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All glory to the HAARPnotoad!
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This is not the mind control device you are looking for.
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Obligatory Futurama (Score:2)
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/4f... [quickmeme.com]
Weird waste of time (Score:2, Insightful)
I mean by all means have an open house but the kind of people who go HAARP == MIND CONTROL!!! aren't out looking for logic.
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The key is to find the people who aren't looking for anything, and show them logic first. Then when the quacks come talking about mind control and weather engineering, it sounds as absurd as it really is.
An added bonus is that there's always that one kid who asks "Why not?". We hope that he goes on to do real science in the field of weather or psychology, advancing the state of the art.
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How is weather engineering absurd?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
And what is advertising but mind control? We don't need anything as blatant and big as HAARP when we've got decades of psychology and marketing that do much better for cheaper.
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The quacks are absurd, they would be the same when talking about aglets [...]
HEY! Don't diss aglets! [youtube.com]
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Most science facilities have open houses and other outreach efforts, as often there is a small amount of money in federal research grants set aside specifically for public education about the work. The outreach is there for anyone interested. That such programs and events fly in the face of people who try to insist some locations are impenetrable, isolated fortresses is icing on the cake.
I've more than once been at public talks where someone from the public tried to use the Q&A secession to stir up co
And surprise surprise... (Score:5, Funny)
Nobody who visited the site remembers seeing anything suspicious...
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I don't have the funds to travel to alaska so I look forward to watching a video of the tour someone puts on youtube.
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50% hilarious, 50% terrifying
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Your scepticism is understandable, but extensive video footage of the event [youtube.com] has been released.
I hope this sets your mind at ease.
And extensive video footage has been released showing that NASA reached, walked upon, golfed upon, "danced" upon, and drove upon the Moon. And STILL Buzz Aldrin has to deck idiots, every so often.
Some people will not have their minds set at ease by anything but their eventual death.
Its a simile (Score:1)
No one is really talking about HAARP being the source of mind control. They are referring to driving plasma with a steerable high gain, high frequency signal modulated at ELF/SLF/ULF rates, which is the method used to write data to brain employing a maser.
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This, right here. That's what they're doing. Enhancing radio waves from the computer on the moon.
http://www.bentoandstarchky.co... [bentoandstarchky.com]
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You know how i know how you really didn't read anything on the site except the word "astrocism" and "slovenian?"
Your post itself.
>my dementia
Is far more advanced than anybody's. It's magic.
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It's a trap! (Score:2)
Quotes from visitors: (Score:5, Funny)
"This facility is only used to research the ionosphere and help with global communications. Also they had great pizza and the petting zoo was fun."
- John from Juno
"This facility is only used to research the ionosphere and help with global communications. Also they had great pizza and the petting zoo was fun."
- Mary from Anchorage
"This facility is only used to research the ionosphere and help with global communications. Also they had great pizza and the petting zoo was fun."
- Ryan from Kodiak
"This facility is only used to research the ionosphere and help with global communications. Also they had great pizza and the petting zoo was fun."
- Mike from Fairbanks
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See, the machine works! It convinced a used-casino salesman to run for president, go to a drunk barber, and say silly shit.
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[twitch]
Explaining things (Score:2)
Expect to hear a related story on Sunday about the completely unrelated findings of a new study titled: "Facts, and the effect on them on people wearing tinfoil hats."
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I'm not sure I'd wanna wear tinfoil anything around all those hi powered antennas!
This'll go over well.. (Score:2)
Like a fart in a Megachurch.
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Like a fart in a Megachurch.
Not sure I get that one. If the service is jumping with all the music and outstretched hands, drool and what-not, not unlike an Metallica concert, a good fart should go completely unnoticed, particularly the silent-but-deadly kind likely to be mistaken for B.O., which from the looks of a typical mega-congregation should be intense. Megachurch services are not quiet, seance-like affairs.
Now, a fart in a confessional, that'll lead to a few Hail Mary's.
Clever (Score:2)
Very sad (Score:2, Insightful)
"We hope to show people that it is not capable of mind control and not capable of weather control and all the other things it's been accused of..." said Sue Mitchell
How sad that so many Americans could seriously believe in this bullshit, but that's what happens when you're fed a steady diet of FOX News and a constant drumbeat of right-wing conspiracy theories.
That one of our preeminent research facilities would be compelled to hold an open house to show that they're not involved in "mind control" is a sad a
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Ahem...
http://www.infowars.com/ [infowars.com]
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I could list a few left-wing conspiracy theories, including my one friend's theory that the Clinton Death Lists were real and driven by Bill and that was a GOOD thing, because it balanced out the political assassinations performed under George H.W. Bush's aegis. I would point out, also, that it is extremely unlikely that you know any of MikeMo's conspiracy theorists, as you two clearly travel in different circles.
Multiple anecdotes do not qualify as data, regardless of which ever side counts them.
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You think it was the Left that started the Clinton Death List conspiracy theory?
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You think it was the Left that started the Clinton Death List conspiracy theory?
No, he just took that (right wing crazy) theory and ran with it in the opposite direction (making a left-wing crazy theory).
Anyway, the Clinton Death Lists were just lists of everyone tangentially related to the Clintons who had died after knowing them, including lifers working in the Ark. Governor's Mansion who died in their late 50s and early 60s from the usual causes from which trustee lifers die. It is no more sensible than a theory that the reason that all the steam locomotives were run to death durin
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Actually, all of the conspiracy-theorists I know are all extremely left-leaning.
Actually, it depends.
The left-leaning ones talk about how the good government is being corrupted by evil businesses. The right-leaning ones talk about how the evil government is fighting good businesses.
Let me break it down for you (Score:2)
Actually, all of the conspiracy-theorists I know are all extremely left-leaning.
Actually, it depends.
The left-leaning ones talk about how the good government is being corrupted by evil businesses. The right-leaning ones talk about how the evil government is fighting good businesses.
You see it all makes sense if you add in well known problems like the revolving door [1] and regulatory capture [2].
In this case the evil/corrupt corporations (and their wealthy owners) take over the government (and vice-versa), and then fight the good business to help out their evil cronies.
Finally, the combination of these two work together to perform rootkits on democracy like the Citizens United ruling, and the TPP/TTIP/TISA, so they can corrupt and dominate other countries as well.
It works if you think
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Actually, all of the conspiracy-theorists I know are all extremely left-leaning.
No offense, but you need to get out more. Oh sure, there are crazies on the left too, but for a genuine unending stream of daffy shit, the right has it won hands down. And there's some overlap, to be certain, but the right is the undisputed leader of the nutjob brigade.
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How sad that so many Americans could seriously believe in this bullshit, but that's what happens when you're fed a steady diet of FOX News and a constant drumbeat of right-wing conspiracy theories.
The only attributed claims in either of the two links provided belonged to a couple of Russians.
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... And following one of the linked article's links leads to a claim from former Venezuelan President and Well-Known Lunatic, Hugo Chavez.
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The only attributed claims in either of the two links provided belonged to a couple of Russians.
Except I'm not referring to that article alone or specifically. Look at the vast majority of kooky conspiracy shit and you'll find that an overwhelming preponderance is right-leaning.
From birtherism to anti-vaxxers, most of it comes from the right.
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So tell us... who was behind the Kennedy assassination?
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So tell us... who was behind the Kennedy assassination?
Reptilans from Jupiter, in conjunction with Elvis and Marilyn Monroe working from their secret Martian moonbase on Pluto. Like, duh.
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It was a group effort.
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Look at the vast majority of kooky conspiracy shit and you'll find that an overwhelming preponderance is right-leaning.
From birtherism to anti-vaxxers, most of it comes from the right.
You're blatantly wrong and just showing your own bias and ignorance. As an anti-Obama movement, sure, the "birthers" we're on the right. But anti-vaxxers? You've got people like Jenny McCarthy and Robert Kennedy Jr.
And are you going to tell me the 9/11 "truthers" are right-wing? The moon hoaxers? The chemtrail guys? What does any of this shit and stuff like mind control have to do with left or right wing politics? These are conspiracists, who see conspiracies in everything, no matter who is running the gove
Re:What exactly about Mind Control is unscientific (Score:4, Interesting)
While we have observed that the operations of these machines is sometimes affected by their environment, the difference between the scope of what we know and can do at this time vs "mind control" is the difference between saying, "gee, this computer doesn't run as well when it's really warm out" vs saying "I'm going to write a piece of software for this computer".
It is true that various entities -have- tried various mind control and behavior control experiments before, but the simple fact of the matter is that it's something we have consistently failed to accomplish for decades. For example, look at drug rehab programs. The relapse rate for drug rehab programs is between 40 and 60 percent. If we were actually able to program someone's mind, this would be a prime candidate for reeducation.
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Non-invasive forms of mind control have been in development for some time with research papers going back to 2013: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]. If it is in the public's hands, it's been in DARPA's longer as they have been doing this kind of research for over a decade.
While I'm not some crazy con
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That one of our preeminent research facilities would be compelled to hold an open house to show that they're not involved in "mind control" is a sad and embarrassing commentary on the state of this country.
Holding an open house will solve nothing anyway. The kind of luddites that believe HAARP is controlling people's minds wouldn't understand what any of the equipment does. They'd just see antennas and powerful computers and assume they were right.
Even more sad (Score:1)
However, left leaning NBC has a few discussing this. Also, left leaning links like the daily beast have several.
This is the general problem with the left today. It is very fast to define anything that is not agreed with as "right-wing," and this belief is very reflexive, often with little thought or any further reading. It is a very dangerous mentality, because it breeds to worst kind of co
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How sad that so many Americans could seriously believe in this bullshit, but that's what happens when you're fed a steady diet of FOX News and a constant drumbeat of right-wing conspiracy theories.
Doesn't that kind of prove the point that FOX News has mind control abilities?
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Re: Very sad (Score:2)
FOX controls more minds than HAARP ever did. Easy to do when minds are weak.
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I wonder (Score:2)
if the guys organizing this actually think it will help, or if they just like to show off - because I guarantee you that anyone who believes it's for mind control is NOT going to be convinced by seeing it up close.
Who Needs Mind Control When You Have (Score:2)
Propaganda Control.
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/cynical And here I thought PC stood for Political Correctness. Oh wait, it still means the same thing. :-/
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Unfortunately, that PC is an oxymoron. Nothing is correct about being political.
Mind control? meh. (Score:2)
Everyone smart knows its really an airport for alien UFOs.
It's research... (Score:4, Informative)
I can confirm as an amateur radio operator- it's a research project. We've heard it's signals on the air, and frankly it;s the only thing it could be doing. No encoding, transmit response pattern- it was trying to map the propagation patterns in the ionosphere.
But there is a punchline: WSPRnet does the same thing for free. Really.
http://wsprnet.org/drupal/ [wsprnet.org]
Re:It's research... (Score:4, Informative)
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Back in about 2003 my wife and I were contracting to ACS up in Anchorage we drove up to the HAARP site. Can't see anything from the road but got nice pictures of all the nasty military do not enter under penalty of death signs at the gate. HAARP was a really cool project. I would love to get back there and take a walk through it.
Now that I'm older and have a lot of vacation time I want to go see science sites. My next is going to be the LIGO site at Hanford, at least it's just a day trip for me. You can
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Gee, I don't feel marginalized. BTW, it's a hobby, you're supposed to have fun.
Re: It's research... (Score:2)
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I knew you'd get it :)
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Damn it, I hate it when I do that!
Re: It's research... (Score:2)
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I'm actually crap at code, got my general after no-code. Mostly these days I just play with old Motorola gear I impulsively buy on ebay. My latest project is making an adrino IP to QuickCall II encoder for the pile of Pageboy II pagers that I bought. Not that I have any use for that, it's just something I like to play with. I love the old batwing and Bell System stuff. My work phone is a 5 line Touch-a-matic 32 with the KSU under the desk.. chime bell, of course.
Okay, I'm an odd duck.
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Still waiting for Remo Williams (Score:2)
Fully expecting the HAARP project to get blown up by person or persons unknown...
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The Adventure Begins.
And Ends.
Don't confuse people with facts (Score:1)
Don't be silly (Score:2)
HAARP is not mind control. Please don't look up [jetcareers.com].
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Yeh, but its off. So no chemtrails.
"Study", heh. (Score:2)
IIRC, HAARP was intended to heat the ionosphere so as to disrupt the flight path for Russian ICBMs. IMO, "study" using HAARP is like studying the sonar capabilities of Right whales by setting off massive underwater bombs. Which is what the Navy, and oil companies, are so eager to do.
Prove we can't do something (Score:2)
Show people they're not capable of mind control? Hopefully nobody smart enough to realize how ridiculous that statement is, is a conspiracy nut.
Look, there's no "X" in this room. See, we've proved that we don't have "X".
GLaDOS: "Have I lied to you? I mean in this room.
Suddenly I feel an overwhelming urge... (Score:2)
... to drive to Alaska.
Good (Score:2)
Honesty here is the best policy. Haarp isn't used for mind control; it's used for talking to the aliens. The mind control stuff is employed in a more controlled fashion.
google maps (Score:2)
I havn't checked it for a decade. not sure if it changed.
I'd like to see... (Score:2)
"Dr." Nick Begich attend the open house, and for someone to be rolling video on him. He is singularly responsible for the conspiracy theories via his book "Real Angels Don't Play This HAARP".
Not that, as most people here say, it would change any minds. They merely move the goal posts or say that everything really worthwhile has been hidden from view during the open house, or misrepresented. Conspiracy theorists don't want to learn, they just want to be right.
Mind Control (Score:2)
Is it ironic that the minds of people who believe in mind control are being controlled by the belief in mind control?