Tomorrow's Wars Will Be Livestreamed (vice.com) 75
Something unique and (in some way) unprecedented happened earlier today. The start of the invasion of Mosul, a city held by ISIS in Iraq, was live-streamed on Facebook and YouTube, and thousands of people around the world watched it. There were several streams that got popular, but one shared by Kurdish outlet Rudaw was getting the most traction -- it was re-posted by major outlets like the Washington Post and Channel 4 in the United Kingdom. Motherboard adds: While some viewers commented on the merits of the offensive, for others, the livestream itself was the most startling thing. As angry cartoon faces and "Wow!" emoticons floated over top of live images of war, viewers noted that it all seemed like a bit too much like a sci-fi fever dream about a war-obsessed culture. For most English-language viewers watching these streams, there was no explanation, no given context, no subtitles or translation -- merely images of a mostly-barren foreign landscape peppered with men and trucks, idling and standing around, sparsely punctuated by violence. But in 2016, decades after Lessons of Darkness was completed and on social media instead of in a darkened arthouse theatre, the void spits out something other than deep, metaphysical understanding about human nature. Instead, in the comments, people ask for money. They talk about porn. They quote Green Day lyrics. They call people "cucks." To be fair, however, not everyone reacted this way. But a lot of people did. "There's journalistic value in the livestream,"
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The First Gulf War was "livestreamed" on TV. Nothing new to see here.....
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It's freaking video. One is over the air or cable, the other one is in packets. Not a big deal. What's important is the information, and how the information was put together (sources, bias, etc.).
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I recall when that statue of Saddam was toppled - the news made it look like a spontaneous action of an angry population
It actually was -- in a sense. A marine commander was looking for a psy-ops opportunity, and found a few people beating on the statue with sledgehammers, so he capitalized on the moment. So yeah, it was both spontaneous by the locals and made to look like a bigger deal than it really was.
But you can't fault the military for that. Battles -- and especially wars -- are rarely won with weapons alone. That's just the military doing its job like it's supposed to do. And, that particular event was one of the thin
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Just to clarify, it wasn't the US Military that disbanded the Iraqi military, they actually had plans on how to hand over security to the existing Iraqis and were just starting to implement it.
It was the State department that decided to imitate what happened in post war Germany, the difference here is by disbanding the military and forcing all Baathist members out of their jobs they upset a lot of people (a lot were part of the party only because it gave them more money in their jobs not because they had an
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Kudos to you for offering a broader view of propaganda.
As for securing the borders, that was a monumental failure of our political leadership. Iraq is bordered by Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Turkey, Iran. Every one of those nations had strong factions within the gov't that had reasons to want to see a US occupation of Iraq fail. The Bush administration seemed to believe that awe and fear would keep them all in line. Rather than offer even a token olive branch, the administration preferred to i
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Risk not been invited back to the best locations for the next war was a big issues for the media brands.
Objective, free reporting like the US got out of Vietnem is now contained by access and the fine print that comes with been embedded.
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While there's some truth to what you say, I have yet to see a medium where there can be a considerable amount of dust-- read that lack of trust-- in sources, coverage, attribution, and significance.
Part of the problem of media is that the public's ability to discern what's controlled media vs what's real and live and truly happening is weak at best, viz the current situation. "Follow The Money" isn't quite the best method to judge the content, although it's a good way to understand bias.
Yet there are really
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The friendship and camaraderie just gets built on for every war. Training, early access, deployment as part of a team soon allows for troops suggestions and questions to reshape good journalists.
"Looking for failure? Why the ADF hates the Australian media" (August 13, 2013)
http://theconversation.com/loo... [theconversation.com]
has some good insights and links into the thinking in Australian and New Zealand tha
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And from this, we can conclude exactly what?
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So, uh, I'd say almost everything of importance is new here.
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There's NOTHING wrong with editing. Slickness is in the eye of the beholder, sometimes taking away the raw nuanced value of journalism. Other times, it takes a disjointed bunch of stuff and molds it into something discernible.
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ADDERALL
"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."
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What do you mean 'tomorrow'? (Score:2)
I saw live stream of the Iraq invasion, it has been done, I only expect it to be livestreamed now with drone feeds, body cams and all.
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I thought maybe we must autotune it as well?
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You mean a body count?
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We must gamify it.
Joking or not, the irony of this statement is you're talking about the same society who would welcome the next livestream warfare pay-per-view event with open wallets, but becomes seriously offended when someone says the word "Christmas" in public.
It's fucking amazing to me that society places far more value on being politically correct than they do with morals or ethics. One would have thought that after the 2008 financial crisis we would have learned something about the importance of prioritizing the lat
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One would have thought that after the 2008 financial crisis we would have learned something about the importance of prioritizing the latter, and demand more of it from our leaders.
Yeah, that's why we ended up with Tweedle Lecher & Tweedle Liar as the main choices this year...
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We must gamify it.
Joking or not, the irony of this statement is you're talking about the same society who would welcome the next livestream warfare pay-per-view event with open wallets, but becomes seriously offended when someone says the word "Christmas" in public.
It's fucking amazing to me that society places far more value on being politically correct than they do with morals or ethics. One would have thought that after the 2008 financial crisis we would have learned something about the importance of prioritizing the latter, and demand more of it from our leaders.
You're quite sure you're not exaggerating? Never saw anybody get "seriously offended" by the word "Christmas" in public.
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Live comments are the problem, not live streaming. This time the live feed is being mixed in with live comments like "WHY THERE IS NO SHOOTING, EXPLOSION. I WANT TO WATCH A WAR” and emoticons.
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That's one reason. Another would be to creatively edit it - cut out the bad-for-our-side stuff, and put in tons of good-for-our-side stuff, complete with slo-mo replays, highlights and other things.
Livestreaming won't be done - it's too easy to create opposition to what you're doing at home, plus exposing everyone to the
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Oh please... Does the Battle of Agincourt ring a bell? Clever people have been figuring ways to strike at the enemy from longer range pretty much since the beginning of warfare. And the losers have whined about the "unfairness" and questioned the "bravery of being out of range"... right up until the point that they invented new weapons and were themselves the ones fighting from out of range.
It's nothing new, and it's not going to stop.
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In other words: while fighting at extreme distance may di
Paging Heinlein (Score:2)
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Some real effort goes into getting the camera team to become a part of the squad of troops they live with for months.
What a lens can then see is then natural, helpful and suggested. Any hints seem friendly and helpful. Limitations are local protections.
Support for a "freedom fighter" is like an informant and cannot be broadcast.
If it could actually change public policy (Score:2)
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No, he was right.
It's going to be streamed instead.
Oh good (Score:3)
all we need is an alien bug invasion to make "Starship Troopers" a reality. What's doogie howser up to these days anyway? Psychic warfare research?
Please no. (Score:1)
War as a spectator sport? And here I thought "Reality TV" couldn't get any worse after Survivor.
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This isn't new. At Waterloo and the Battle of Fort Sumter there were bystanders safely standing off to the sides watching. It was even remarked at both how it was an outing for the civvies nearby.
Turkey coup (Score:2)
I spent some time watching the coup in Turkey on Periscope. In one feed, a bunch of pro-government forces were outside of the army barracks in Ankara, they were moving in, and one guy got shot and had to be pulled to safety (not sure if he made it). In another feed, tanks were guarding the bridges over the Bosphorus Bridge, and a tank fired a round into a armored personnel carrier. Scary stuff!
Roger Waters ... (Score:1)
Same old... (Score:2)
The overthrowing of the communism in Romania (the "revolution") was live-streamed on TV back in 1989. Made quite an impression at the time.
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Gil Scott Heron Was Sooooo Wrong! (Score:1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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It's only Human (Score:2)
No they won't. (Score:2)
Both sides in a conflict have a vested interest in preventing live coverage of their operations, and at least one of those sides usually has control of the local infrastructure, with the other side usually trying to destroy it. Satellite is the only viable option, and even that can be spotty and jammable, and is exceedingly expensive in any event. Sneakernet will always work, but not for live streams.