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LinkedIn, Glassdoor Add Tools To Reveal Your Pay Potential (seattletimes.com) 57

Money isn't everything, but it counts for a lot at work. That's why work-related websites like LinkedIn and Glassdoor are adding new online tools to help professionals understand their salary potential (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled; alternate source.) From a report on the Seattle Times: LinkedIn, which calls itself the social network for professionals, is adding a service that provides members with pay information for a variety of jobs, including a break-down by such factors as location, industry, education and experience. It's based on anonymized data submitted by LinkedIn members, including details about base pay and other compensation, such as bonuses and stock grants. The new service comes two weeks after Glassdoor, a competing online job site, introduced a feature that promises to help workers determine their "personal market value" by comparing their current job title, salary and related information with data from other workers and current hiring trends. Glassdoor's site already showed information about median salaries and perks, along with employees' reviews of what it's like to work at various companies. It says the new feature can be useful for job-seekers as well as workers who might want to negotiate a raise from their current employer.
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LinkedIn, Glassdoor Add Tools To Reveal Your Pay Potential

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  • liars lie (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward

    with data from other workers

    gosh it's SO TRUSTWORTHY, must be the truth

    • Either that or "It is clear from your salary profile that we can no longer afford your services"

  • by Bigbutt ( 65939 ) on Thursday November 03, 2016 @10:55AM (#53205667) Homepage Journal

    I tried the Linkin one last night and since it didn't have a drop down menu for the job title, I entered in mine only to be told it was not a valid title. I tried a few different permutations and none were accepted.

    Sr Systems Engineer
    Senior Systems Engineer
    Systems Engineer

    So much for that.

    [John]

    • Re:Job Title? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by iggymanz ( 596061 ) on Thursday November 03, 2016 @11:26AM (#53205933)

      forget about linkedin, it's only result will be stupid recruiters harassing you about jobs they read about from some *other* recruiter, that they are hoping to be a 3rd party broker for you. It'/s a cesspool, that's why I dropped it after being on there for five years. Make your own website, put your resume there and link it from some posts in good tech forums. Google will find it, and you'll get quality contacts

      • by Bigbutt ( 65939 )

        Yea, I dropped it after a few years back in 2011, but 2 years back the company brought in all new management from CEO down quite a bit and new boss was a real pain in the ass. I toughed it out and he's gone and yea, I get a crap-ton of recruiter spam for both sides. I managed Windows NT way way back in the mid 90's and I still get recruiter garbage for admining Windows systems even though I've managed Unix systems since 97.

        [John]

    • by Bigbutt ( 65939 )

      Jeeze guys, the point isn't what the company calls me, it's that Linkedin either doesn't recognize the title which isn't surprising in that I've had quite a few odd titles over the years, but that it doesn't provide suggestions or a drop down select list of acceptable titles. It just says "wrong, guess again..."

      [John]

    • I tried the Linkin one last night and since it didn't have a drop down menu for the job title, I entered in mine only to be told it was not a valid title. I tried a few different permutations and none were accepted.

      Sr Systems Engineer Senior Systems Engineer Systems Engineer

      So much for that.

      [John]

      Yea, LinkedIn is ok for digging up past coworkers or colleagues but pretty poor at actually displaying credentials. It thinks my university is the one I got a certification at while working, and my current job is as a director on a volunteer board. There is no way to tell it to change those things, so I get "xx Alumni work here" for a school I did not attend. I also get random "connect" request from people I do not know who have blank profiles, so I'm guessing they are random spammers; as well as some from

  • by rockmuelle ( 575982 ) on Thursday November 03, 2016 @11:06AM (#53205745)

    These sites are dangerous. I just went through the process of setting salary ranges for a number of new hires and the discrepancies between the self-reported sites and the commercial data brokers are fairly large.

    As best I can tell, most people reporting their salaries on Glassdoor (for example) are junior people who are either inflating their title/experience, rounding up their salary, or both. Also the higher up you go in titles, the wider the variance. Without information about sample size, it's hard to know if the range for, say, a CTO in Springfield is really $80k-300k or if they just happened to have two people report their salaries (or aspirational salaries).

    Self-reported salary sites are simply too easy to game to be reliable. If I wanted to depress salaries in Springfield, I could just submit some carefully designed "employees" to skew the stats. Alternatively, employees appear to already be doing that to try to get salaries raise.

    Once you're out of the "junior" part of your career (say 5 years of career maturity, regardless of your title), you tend to know your market value and what your salary trajectory will be (if not, talk to your co-workers about pay - that's how executives all keep their pay high, though they communicate via lawyers, board members, and SEC filings). At that point, you're not going to report to these sites.

    Employees and job seekers have ready access to these sites and use the data when negotiating raise. The problem is that HR departments have access to commercial databases compiled from actual pay-stub data. This sets up employees for some awkward conversations when they try to justify their 150% pay increase + company Ferrari because someone on Glassdoor claimed that's what their compensation is.

    -Chris

    • Alternatively, employees appear to already be doing that to try to get salaries raise.

      I am aware of anecdotal information where people on a team at a tech company did not get a raise that even covered cost-of-living increases for their community. They each went on Glassdoor and submitted salary surveys inflated by $50k or more for their roles in the hopes that it would make it difficult for their employer to recruit others at a lesser salary.

      Poison pill.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      I never discuss current salary with places I'm applying to work at, on principal. All it does is punish loyalty. If you stick with a company long term, especially through difficult times, your salary doesn't rise as fast as if you switch every few years. I prefer to offer loyalty and proven desire to gain a deep understanding of a business and its products, rather than discuss current salary and take the financial hit because of it.

    • We annually get reporting requests from the department of labor, a large percentage of companies do. The results end up here: http://www.bls.gov/oes/current... [bls.gov]

      If you want to look at wage information, that's a good place to go. It's not localized by region, but it's a decent overall report.

  • by nomad63 ( 686331 ) on Thursday November 03, 2016 @11:10AM (#53205777)
    Glassdoor shows no effort for research. If you want to know what you are worth, first you need to tell them about yourself to great extents, which in turn will be shown to others like you as their earning potential. I refuse to provide free data, to those who will turn around and make a profit out of it. And the audacity of these people, when you ask them "what's in it for me ?" their answer almost always is, "you are helping your fellow colleagues" without mentioning, you are providing data to us, which we package and sell for razor sharp targeted advertising. Go pound sand glassdoor.
  • by King_TJ ( 85913 ) on Thursday November 03, 2016 @11:15AM (#53205833) Journal

    I tried this feature out on Glassdoor, and have used others in the past, offered by various tech publications. (I believe it was InfoWorld who did one once, some years back?)

    The problem I've always run into is that you often can't accurately determine what a person *really* does by job title, because employers get creative with titles in an effort to discourage this type of "salary shopping".

    For example, many years ago, I was given a title of "PC Support Specialist" when everyone else I knew doing anything similar to me had a title of "Systems Administrator" or "Network Administrator", or even "Tier 3/4 Help Desk". It wasn't really appropriate for the place to have given me some kind of "tiered" help desk title because technically, we didn't HAVE a help desk. We just had an "all purpose" I.T. department that wore multiple hats, generally doing in person support for anyone in the office needing it. (Back then, remote workers were few and far between. We had dial in modem support for remote access services, but it was so slow and painful to use, people didn't do a whole lot with it.) But the fact was, the people I knew doing the same or LESS work than I did often had a title with "Administrator" in it, guaranteeing tens of thousands per year higher salaries than I got.

    And in another previous job position, I was given a title of "Network Manager". It sounds relatively impressive since it has "Manager" in the title -- but think about that one for a minute. Does that title make ANY sense? Managers are hired to manage people, not things. In fact, I was the only full-time I.T. person in that company, and the only managing I *really* did was having permission to call in an outside computer service when I deemed it necessary for a project too large to handle by myself in a timely manner. Then I essentially managed the outside guy, paid hourly for his services.

    I don't mean to sound all "sour grapes" about this.... I worked in both of those positions for years, each and liked a lot of things about them. (I had some great co-workers and in one of the two, reported directly to the company's owner who was a really great guy.) Salary isn't everything. But I'm just trying to point out that it's been my experience in I.T. over the years that the relatively "oddball" titles often signify a person who is put in charge of all sorts of things in a company's computer infrastructure and may have a breath of experience far more vast than others, yet puts them at a disadvantage if they try to apply for those better-paying jobs where they're looking for a hire to fill one of the more "well known job titles".

    • Another scam in the IT field (and maybe others) is to give people titles in lieu of higher salary. For example they will come up with the title "Associate Vice President" which is completely meaningless.
      • An official inflated job title is a good thing - on your resume.
        You may think that the company is giving you something worthless, but on a resume, it's official documentation that you're doing a higher job than you were hired in for. Use that acknowledgement as part of your resume to make the next hop easier.

        That's why in your work history section, you list the last job title you had with an employer, not the first. When you hop, get more pay at the new job than what you should have been making at the pre

    • Easy fix - search (or self report) on the industry standard title of your job. Forget your actual internal title it, when you're shopping for a new job or doing research.
      Sites like those in TFA are very valuable when moving to a new job role, or applying for a different job than you've been doing. You have to know if that hop is a move up or a move down.

      tl;dr: NAT your title for improved results.

  • Social networks already know a lot about their users. Why would their users want to include their wages too? Sounds like one step closer to identity theft to me.

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