A Windows 10 Alternative: Ubuntu-Based Zorin OS Linux Distro (betanews.com) 191
"With a click of a button, you can change the desktop layout to match that of Windows versions and Gnome 3. The Ultimate edition...also features Ubuntu, Gnome 2 and macOS-like layouts." BrianFagioli shares an article about a Linux-based operating system "designed for Windows-switchers."
While the company does charge for an "Ultimate" version, the "Core" edition of Zorin OS 12 is entirely free... "As Zorin OS 12 is based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, it will be supported with security updates until April 2021. This makes Zorin OS 12 the ideal choice for large deployments in businesses, governments, schools and organisations", says The Zorin OS Team"... Zorin OS features some really great features, such as Google Drive integration with the file browser.
Although unlike Windows 10, its default browser is Chromium.
Although unlike Windows 10, its default browser is Chromium.
layout == replacement? (Score:5, Insightful)
Making a desktop look like Windows 10 is hardly the requirement for a replacement. Can it run Windows software, or replacements for them in a way no other linux distro could? I think we know the answer, hell no.
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Most people won't even know if they're running Windows programs.
Give me a Linux desktop that visually matches Windows 2000, XP and 7 and I'll have happy 'customers'.
Make some icon changes and they won't even know it's not Excel and IE.
Desktop uncanny valley - Re:layout == replacement? (Score:5, Interesting)
No I don't think you will have happy customers. In fact making Linux look exactly like any other operating system like Windows or Mac is a recipe for disaster. I think of it as the uncanny valley of desktops. At first users may be comforted seeing something familiar. But as they use it, subtle differences will lead to a jarring experience. And sooner or later, as the GP said, users will try to install some cool program they found that won't work when they download it.
In my experience moving people from Windows to Linux, having a look and feel that closely resembles Windows is not at all important. It's not helpful at all. Most Linux desktops function similarly enough to Windows to be nearly immediately usable to most users. Having a look and feel that's different from Windows reinforces the idea that they aren't using Windows anymore, but something different, though it works on the same principles. I have never changed program icons to "Excel" or "Word" as that also would be harmful when they encounter differences (as soon as they open the application... LibreOffice looks and acts very differently from current versions of Office). Instead I make shortcuts entitled "Word Processor" or "Spreadsheet." Often I just leave them as they were.
Really none of this theming nonsense is necessary and it's not helpful to Linux adoption. In fact it may actually be harmful in the long run. Linux desktops have to stand on their own or we're doomed to failure.
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I tend to agree, even though I wouldn't have a few years back. I always thought visual similarity was important for people attempting to transition from Windows -> Linux, but in the end, UI is more than just about the visual, it's also about the interactivity, what people expect to see and whatnot. If you're going to invest time into using Linux, trying to make it look as much like Windows as possible might turn out to be counter-produc
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Google beat them to it on this one. They made web their common platform. Looks pretty much the same on any OS, any browser. Chrome runs everywhere. Google Docs for office tasks, or even Microsoft Office online or Zoho Office or any number of others.
For non-geeks the OS is becoming increasingly irrelevant. A glorified launcher and file manager, mostly replaceable by the browser and cloud storage. It's actually great for consumers, in theory. No updating apps, files automatically backed up and available every
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Make some icon changes and they won't even know it's not Excel and IE.
In the same way people can't even tell it's not butter?
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Making a desktop look like Windows 10 is hardly the requirement for a replacement. Can it run Windows software, or replacements for them in a way no other linux distro could? I think we know the answer, hell no.
Besides, it won't screw up your computer like genuine Windows does on updates.
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Making a desktop look like Windows 10 is hardly the requirement for a replacement. Can it run Windows software, or replacements for them in a way no other linux distro could? I think we know the answer, hell no.
Besides, it won't screw up your computer like genuine Windows does on updates.
Pfft.... ever try to do a dist upgrade on an Ubuntu box? I give it.... 60% chance of working flawlessly. 20% chance of working OK. 20% chance of making you say.... fuck it! I'm restoring from backup....
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Pfft.... ever try to do a dist upgrade on an Ubuntu box? I give it.... 60% chance of working flawlessly. 20% chance of working OK. 20% chance of making you say.... fuck it! I'm restoring from backup....
I've done 2 Linux Mints, 2 Ubuntu Mates, and a Lubuntu total upgrade so far this month, and all have worked perfectly. As did the number I did earlier this year. By your calculations I'm in for a long spell of failure.
I was a little concerned about the Lubuntu Upgrade since it was on a netbook that hadn't been used for a while. But it was flawless. In any event, a better track record than Windows 10 so far.
I dunno where you guys get your facts and figures anyhow.
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been doing that do hundreds of debian based OS including Ubuntu for over a decade just fine. you must suck. buy windows, it's for you.
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been doing that do hundreds of debian based OS including Ubuntu for over a decade just fine. you must suck. buy windows, it's for you.
I'm going to try to post something without it getting marked troll or flamebait.
I am almost certain that the reason that some people seem to have so much trouble with Linux is they are trying to impose a Windows workflow, or maybe had some 15 year old experience they are relating.
I have had few little problems with installs and updates of the modern distros that it approaches perfect. As long as I have a internet connection, the install process just goes out and finds what is needed, and I mostly just
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nobody gets fired for buying Microsoft
Not true. [computerworld.com]
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It's not a replacement without it advertising its store or rebooting to upgrade randomly while giving a presentation.
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No I won't. Take your fixie and fuck off on it.
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Zorin OS features some really dangerous and insecure features, such as Google Drive imposed loss of control over data, data security, user privacy and accessibility via the file browser.
FTFTFS:
Run right out there and get that! What could go wrong? After all... it's Google. [slashdot.org]
How is supporting Google Drive integration a bad thing? You have to choose to use Google Drive in the first place, so unless there's a vulnerability in the layer itself, I don't really see what your point is.
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I'm still waiting for the current batch of DE to match the usability of 1990 desktops. They seem to remove more than they add, with decreased flexibility. But gee 'modern'.
Re:layout == replacement? (Score:5, Insightful)
No kidding. It's a cancer that's affected all operating systems. Linux has gotten some of the worst of it, but Apple is suffering too. Somebody needs to pull out Apple's old Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines and read it.
And MicroSloth never got it anywhere close to right to start with.
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Windows peaked at Windows 7, OS X at El Capitan, iOS at 9. Not sure where Linux peaked as a GUI desktop, its always sucked.
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Ubuntu 16.04 MATE and Mint 17.3 Cinnamon are peak-Linux. Then the 'modernistas' got in, far too many programs have regressions in function (gThumb, Filezilla, etc, etc), the "flat" look has killed everything and the future looks bleak as they try to something - hopefully not Windows 10. Zorin is relatively flaky as a distro. Also upgrades between releases involve a complete re-install.
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You're half right, because Ubuntu 16.04 has that diseased systemD crap in it. Mint 17.3 is as good as it's going to get. I favor BSD for servers but maybe it's time in next couple years I move to it for desktop too, before the 17.3 is EOL
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it does when it fucks up and rolls the computer back to halfway into the boot sequence. It also does when some arcane systemD error keeps the UI from ever starting.
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I dunno, have fond memories of Dapper Drake, then unfortunately I upgraded.
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(but ya currently on 16.04 MATE and happy)
Win2k is the apex of windows GUI (Score:2, Insightful)
Win2k is the last windows version with a efficient UI.
Every version after add more eye candy while simultaneously try to hide functionality. Settings are hidden inside more and more layers and take far more clicks to access.
I would say Win2k is the closest point to "right" any MS OS ever been.
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Ditto. I prefer old designs. None of these new stuff. Argh! Get off my lawn!
Mint XFCE (Score:2)
I'm an old KDE user, but switched over to XFCE years ago. I've tried Cinnamon and Mate, but none of them work for me like XFCE, particularly on Mint. Usability, configurability, and no-nonsense are what I like and what I find to be the most productive. I really don't mind that there are these experiments with DEs, maybe some of them will stick and some won't. As long as I can make it simple and effective, there's enough room for more than one.
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Who has to admit that?
The applications available even for Linux desktops for a number of uses are better than anything available for any tablet, let alone Mac and Windows desktops. Smartphone and tablet "apps" on the other hand? Sure, they have a low barrier to entry as far as use is concerned, but there's far less variety. I can't get anything for the Android tablet that I do own to edit HD video in any reasonable way (partly because it's not powerful enough, partly because the software isn't available for
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Android apps are confusing and bizarre. Mostly because they come with no manuals or instructions, and they change every release so that you have to relearn it all. I assume iPhone is just as bad given Apple's tendency on OSX to change UIs on things that aren't broken.
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can you add links for the components that you use?
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You are driving a 55 inch screen with a smartphone? I call BS, unless you are running the thing at HD (not Full HD) resolution, which kind of defeats the point. I can also plug my Commodore 64 into my 24 Inch Dell (Really, I can!) and it would work, but...https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/11/20/1726230/a-windows-10-alternative-ubuntu-based-zorin-os-linux-distro#
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Very few mobile apps compare favourably to their desktop counterparts. Virtually all of the apps that do compare favourably do so because they have access to hardware that typical desktop operating systems do not have access to. For example, GPS (et al) will make anything dependent upon fine location data easier to use since you don't have to enter that data manually. In other cases, the device's mobility will be a significant factor, since even the clunkier tablets are usuable when you are on the move.
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Re: layout == replacement? (Score:1)
Do we use maps, weather, and other conveniences on desktops? I don't. I use specialized software, specialized input devices, and other things that just don't have comparable and performant equivalents on baby OSes designed for small devices with tippity tappity interfaces.
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Maps? Sure, quite often
Weather? Every day!
Nope. (Score:2)
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But if they did anything it would spoil the appearance!
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Sure grandpa. Just don't expect me to support it.
'member Lindows? (Score:4, Informative)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSdRTOh2jeA
Preinstall it or die (Score:4, Insightful)
Seriously, those of us who can install an operating system are hardly scared by "moving to a desktop environment like GNOME or Unity can be confusing and scary (from TFA)." Those of us who are scared by such a monstrous change in paradigm will never be able to install an OS, or understand that an OS is not part of the laptop, for what matters.
Either these guys manage to get their stuff preinstalled on some decent PCs, and I wish them the best luck possible, or I hardly see some hacker giving them 15 bucks for the privilege of a macosx-inspired theme, 20 crappy games and video wallpapers (I may give them some money to NOT have video wallpapers).
Member? (Score:2, Flamebait)
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Remember: Zorin is the name of the bad guy in the James Bond movie "A View to a Kill", played by Christopher Walken.
And if you read through the fine print on the Zorin OS website, you'll eventually find this little nugget:
"A portion of the proceeds from your purchase of Zorin OS may be used to purchase materials needed to set off massive explosions along the length of the San Andreas fault."
Nice try - but no thank you, Mr. Zorin.
Nope... (Score:2, Insightful)
Sorry, but just making the UI "similar" is not enough to make it an "alternative" any different than the likes of Mint.
It would need to actually be able to run every Windows based applications and games, without issues, for it to be an "alternative".
This is just Linux with a different coat of paint on top, nothing new.
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Sorry, but just making the UI "similar" is not enough to make it an "alternative" any different than the likes of Mint. It would need to actually be able to run every Windows based applications and games, without issues, for it to be an "alternative".
No. If you have to have an OS that runs every single Windows program, well then poor lad - you are stuck with Windows.
As an alternative, it only has to do what the user wants it to do. You can do email - unless for some reason you have to have a Windows specific only email program. You can do web Browsing, unless you absolutely have to have Exploder or Edge. You can do Office Suites, unless you have to use the outlier non-compatible with itself Windows Office suites. In that case, you have my sympathy
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And don't even get started on if it has to be part of an enterprise Active Directory domain.
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Not even Windows runs every single Windows program.
After one Windows 10 update, My Windows computer wouldn't run anything at all, including Windows 10.
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As an alternative, it only has to do what the user wants it to do. You can do email - unless for some reason you have to have a Windows specific only email program. You can do web Browsing, unless you absolutely have to have Exploder or Edge. You can do Office Suites, unless you have to use the outlier non-compatible with itself Windows Office suites.
If you really think this sums up all the average user's desktop computing needs then you really have no idea about users whatsoever. Those are the tasks common to the average user, not the only things they do.
Yeah, one tends to not have a clue when supporting DOS, Windows 95 through W10 (was spared experience with 3.1) and OS X and MacOS before that from the early 90's to present day and Linux since 2010. Eddymcate me dear Coward!
Because we have been able to do those things on pretty much any desktop system that has existed for the past 3 decades, we have been able to do those things on smartphones and tablets since smartphones and tablets were invented but that isn't all that users do.
So what you are telling me is that All average consumers have Microsoft oonly solutions? Do go on!
Apparently a Linux evangelist's impression of a computer user is somebody who browses the web, sends/recieves email and does office things.
I see. Well, you can discuss that with a Linux evangelist.
Because if you suggest Photoshop, AutoCAD, Lightroom, 3ds MAX, Logic Pro, Premiere, FinalCut, ProTools, MediaComposer, Revit, Solidworks, Creo Parametric, NX, or any one of a myriad of Windows and/or MacOS software the response is always "oh but not many people use those" or "well the typical user just does web browsing, email and office".
That's because that is the correct response. I use Maya, Final Cut Pro, Soundtrack Pro, and Lightwave, as well as DogParkSDR, so I
WTF? (Score:1)
So, let me see if I got this straight.
Someone sat down and started thinking "How can I convince people to switch to Linux from Windows? What does Windows have that people want, but can't find on Linux?", and their brilliant conclusion was that what people REALLY wanted was that awful, ugly and schizophrenic "I'm not quite a mobile device but I'm also not also entirely a desktop" user interface?
AND they want to charge people for this?
This is why Linux will never make it on the desktop... people are totally c
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This is why Linux will never make it on the desktop... people are totally clueless.
Clueless? That's how Windows made it.
Loved the pros and cons in the comments (Score:5, Funny)
"Pros: It's not Windows 10
Cons: It's trying to look like Windows 10"
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"Pros: It's not Windows 10
Cons: It's trying to look like Windows 10"
I've never understood the marketing philosophy that pretty much says let's try chasing the customers who really like our competitor's product by making a cheap knock-off just like it. Unless you're trying to make some kind of counterfeit for people who like to pretend they have a Rolex or Louis Vuitton bag, but who wants to pretend to have Windows 10? I'd be looking for the customers looking for a fork in the road, I have version $n-1 but don't really like change in version $n so what alternative can you of
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Emulating Windows 10? (Score:1, Flamebait)
lol, one of the major reasons I want to use Linux is because it ISN'T Windows 10. The UI is far worse than Windows 7, for desktop PCs.
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I haven't experienced windows 10, but 8 is worse than 7 and 7 is worse than XP, so I'm not exactly full of joyous anticipation.
Maybe there's a 3rd-party addon that'll make it almost as good as ME?
Re:Emulating Windows 10? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm a Mac user, but - in my opinion, Windows 7 was actually the pinnacle* of Windows' operating systems. It's what I've used in any home VMs I've set up for stuff requiring Windows, such as my wife's sewing software.
8 and 10 seem like several steps backward; although 10 is progressing and likely will eventually get to where it's indistinguishable from 7.
* For sufficiently low definitions of "pinnacle".
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Oh, I see now why you're confused about Windows 7... You think Windows ME was 'good'....
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Are we reading the same title/summary?
For me this means "If you don't like Windows 10, then install Zorin OS and you can change the desktop layout to match the Windows version you like."
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lol, one of the major reasons I want to use Linux is because it ISN'T Windows 10. The UI is far worse than Windows 7, for desktop PCs.
What exactly is it you do with your computer that the difference in UI has that much of an effect? The start menu is very similar to 7 and frankly if you just hit the start button and type the program you want, or use the taskbar or desktop to launch programs then it's no different at all. And once you're actually using your programs is it any different at all?
Gaming (Score:3)
Can I play Battlefield on it? Can I play Civ 6? I guess not.
I would love to switch to Linux. The fact of the matter, nearly every program which I want to run, does not work natively on Linux.
Office? Nope. Photoshop? Nope.
Please, do not tell me to use WINE. Sure, it may be possible to get it going, but it is shit. Complete and total shit.
Wine is like buying a 911 4S then insisting the buyer replace the tire with a 13 inch wheels from a 1979 Datsun B210. Sure, it will technically work, but what the fuck did you buy that car for?
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Yawn.
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Spare us your bizarre phantasies, please.
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Re:Gaming (Score:5, Interesting)
There are whole websites dedicated to games that run on linux: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/ [gamingonlinux.com]
In the last 1-2 years there has been increased progress in porting over games to linux, and in driver development for GPUs.
Its very good to have corporate backers like red hat or valve to work on mesa and similar projects. The future of linux gaming is certainly looking great.
Already now you can play a very wide range of proprietary and free (as in freedom) games on linux, and its getting more every day.
If you want the last bit of performance, or if your favourite game doesn't have a linux port nor works with wine, then you obviously should use Windows, but if you can make minor compromises on that front, linux for you.
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It does not matter they can run games ABC and DEF which is superior to XYZ.
So you're saying that Linux has superior games to Windows, but people run Windows to play the games their friends are playing?
Are you sure?
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Re: Gaming (Score:1)
Sure libreoffice is a replacement for ms office, provided you never ever have to interact with ms office users ising docx. I wish to god it worked but it doesn't, it's pretty compatible but not enough and in a work environment people do not want to wait while you piss about fixing the formatting. Writer is also buggy as hell and has bizarre ui choices. I've tried it many times, since at least the very first release after the fork hoping each time I could drop my windows vm, but not yet.
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You have LibreOffice and Gimp. Both are perfect replacements for 99% of users.
If they really were perfect replacements for 99% of users then those users would at least be saving the hundreds of dollars in license fees and already running them on Windows.
Libre Office, "perfect replacement" (Score:2)
Not until they add an outline mode like MS Word's. This is a feature that has been requested since at least 2003, and nothing happens.
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Show me one professional graphic designer who actually makes quality work and can use Gimp and .. I don't even know what the illustrator alternative is on Linux. Inkscape? It's awful.
They use macOS and Windows for a reason. The real tools are Adobe's (at this time), and no professional takes Gimp seriously. The fact that you suggest it just re-iterates what the problem with Linux zealots are.
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Yea, I take issue that you seem to suggest that 99% of those requiring photoshop / illustrators are not professionals. In fact, I'd argue that the MAJORITY of those who require these tools ARE graphic artists. It's only the few hobby-ists with a DSLR that can get away using Gimp and Light studio or whatever.
The fact that you truly believe that "99%" of those requiring these tools don't need it is the very core of my issue: you're just making shit up in your mind to wrap reality to how you see it, to make Li
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I've been using gimp for years. I recall my reaction to the UI as mostly surprise, not confusion. I've used Photoshop on Windows a few times, maybe 5 years or so ago, and I recall the UI as being a bit frustrating and obscure; that's probably because it was unfamiliar. I would think that any person who uses a tool on a regular basis is going to find a tool with a radically different UI a bit off-putting. As far as performance goes, my impression is that on equivalent hardware, gimp runs much faster than P
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Can I play Battlefield on it? Can I play Civ 6? I guess not. I would love to switch to Linux. The fact of the matter, nearly every program which I want to run, does not work natively on Linux. Office? Nope. Photoshop? Nope.
You brag about your closed ecosystem, while I think "poor guy is stuck running Windows."
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You brag about your closed ecosystem, while I think "poor guy is stuck running Windows."
He is not "bragging" about the ecosystem. He is listing things that he needs for Linux to be considered a "replacement"
If you keep laughing at people who cannot move to Linux for reason X, Linux will remain at the current adoption levels.
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He is not "bragging" about the ecosystem. He is listing things that he needs for Linux to be considered a "replacement"
And yet, we presumably are not tallking about a "replacement" but an alternative. That's kinda what the entire subject is about. There are alternatives. One is Windows, one is OS X, and one is Linux.
Regardless, since he is completely and totally stuck in a Windows only ecosystem, that will never ever be anything but a Windows ecosystem, his choice is perfectly clear - he has no choice whatsoever, and that is the end of the discussion for him. Windows only, no alternative, no replacement, nothing but Win
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Can I play Battlefield on it? Can I play Civ 6? I guess not.
I was thinking more of if the OS can run call center software, supports the time clock system we use, has drivers for our 2D barcode scanner, things like that. You can play games, I got work to do.
Actually, I don't have work to do. I just finished playing a game on a Windows XP computer I keep around to run some old games I like. It also runs PuTTY and has a serial port, which is nice for talking to Cisco gear.
I happen to run games on Windows because I happened to need Windows at one time and I picked up
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How about...I need to do a job so I can make money and the applications are only on Windows? What a bone headed argument to make. GIMP is not a replacement for Photoshop. It just isn't. Telling me to go from a Ferrari to a Yugo is not a compromise, that is career suicide.
Good job making it look nice (Score:1)
Ubuntu's failure to make a decent UI has opened the door to distros like Mint and ZorinOS to fill in the gap. Too bad for their ivory tower attitude on this topic, Ubuntu is otherwise very good.
wtf stupid (Score:1)
lets see... replace one big spyware with another big spyware
just another clone of Canonical that thinks its an OS
no thanks, fuck off
Why is this an OS? (Score:1, Insightful)
When I started with Linux we had maybe five serious distros, and I don't think we have that many more nowadays, maybe ten. If you're going to make you own window manager or desktop then that's great, I applaud that. But this is an entire distro in itself. Are you really going to keep up with security patches on the same level as the Ubuntu or Debian security teams? Because that's what you need to do today if you're making an OS that you want to be taken seriously. Otherwise it's better to just make a packag
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Maybe it's difficult to charge for the bits and pieces they've just added to Ubuntu.
But I agree, do we really need yet-another-linux-based OS? Is there really any value to the user by using any of the dozens of different distros specifically?
Are you really going to keep up with security patches on the same level as the Ubuntu or Debian security teams?
This is actually just Ubuntu with some tweaks and changes so most updates will come for free by virtue of the codebase being almost entirely Ubuntu anyway.
YALD (Score:2)
I moved to Linux to get away from Windows' UI (Score:2)
But it seems that all of that silliness has followed me. First Unity and Gnome 3, and now a conscious and deliberate effort to emulate Windows. I wonder if Zorin will eventually have those oh-so-helpful telemetry 'features' too.
Loves me some Linux Mint Cinnamon... (Score:2)
Windows is a games platform (Score:1)
Windows is basically a games platform that also runs legacy software like Microsoft Office. The main thing I have it around for is running games (e.g. via steam), music software (e.g. VSTs), or a few Windows only things. I wish Apple would make machines with the build quality of professional laptops and workstations, like e.g. Lenovo Thinkpads and HP Z-series workstations, rather than shiny toy that one needs an oxyacetylene blowtorch to get into, and for which the standard remedy for any fault is to bin th
WHY?! Why would you WANT W10 UI? (Score:1)
Why in gods name would you WANT the Windows 10 UI in ANY year?
That whole interface is a fucking disaster.
I almost put my fist though a screen having to suffer fixing that shit OS via its horrific interface. Most infuriating piece of shit I've ever used in 20 years.
Then you have the updates that completely shit on drivers for the trackpad, and it was one of those really awful trackpads with no physical buttons (THANKS Asus), so the buttons now DETECT movement, making it damn near impossible to click precise
This again? (Score:1)
oh goodie! (Score:2)
The awful UI of Windows 10 with the lack of WIndows compatibility of Ubuntu.
(Seriously, I think the main reason people choose to run Windows 10 these days is for the games and some legacy apps.)
Why such emphasis on desktop "look" (Score:2)
Useful, constructive comments? Naaaah (Score:2)
So I saw this article and thought, "Oh neat! This looks like it could be useful, especially if they did a good job of polishing the UI." and I figured I'd check the comments to see what people thought of it, etc.
Aaaaaand as usual, all we have is one flame war after another with people making ad hominem attacks and how people hate Windows or Linux or whatever. (I'm excluding the vast array of racist remarks for my own sanity) But then again, I really shouldn't be surprised at this point.
Has anyone ACTUAL
Torrent? (Score:2)
Sadly no torrent links to download this thing. Anyone have one? Their download link http://bitly.com/12core641 [bitly.com] redirects to Sourceforge of all terrible places.
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Windows 7 then?
Re: GOOGLE (Score:2)
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He he, nice one dickhead.