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The US Government Funds A War On Online Fake News (bangordailynews.com) 360

An anonymous reader quotes the Washington Post: Congressional negotiators on Wednesday approved an initiative to track and combat foreign propaganda amid growing concerns that Russian efforts to spread "fake news" and disinformation threaten U.S. national security. The measure, part of the National Defense Authorization Act approved by a conference committee, calls on the State Department to lead government-wide efforts to identify propaganda and counter its effects. The authorization is for $160 million over two years...

The Senate Intelligence Committee, meanwhile, has approved language in the fiscal year 2017 intelligence authorization bill calling for new executive branch efforts to combat what it characterized as "active measures" by Russia to manipulate people and governments through front groups, covert broadcasting or "media manipulation." "There is definitely bipartisan concern about the Russian government engaging in covert influence activities of this nature," Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said in a statement. "If you read section 501 of this year's intelligence authorization bill, it directs the President to set up an interagency committee to 'counter active measures by Russia to exert covert influence over peoples and governments.'"

Several senators on the intelligence committee also asked President Obama to declassify any information relating to the Russian government and the U.S. election.
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  • Onwards to victory. (Score:5, Informative)

    by durrr ( 1316311 ) on Saturday December 03, 2016 @07:42PM (#53417049)

    Let the US government fake news win!

    We called it propaganda for hundreds of years? Why change now? Is this some form of doublenextplusgoodspeak?

    • by Jhon ( 241832 )

      "Let the US government fake news win!"

      War on drugs!
      War on poverty!

      Oh crap... we're hosed.

    • by guises ( 2423402 )
      It's just more specific, there are other kinds of propaganda.
    • I went to the supermarket today. According to the National Enquirer, Hillary Clinton has already been indicted for a whole bunch of illegal things she did. It was on the front page.

      I'm still a little leery of jumping on the "OMG FAKE NEWS!!" bandwagon given there seems to be absolutely nothing new about the phenomenon. I'm inclined to blame a combination of an awful Democratic candidate (well, she was. And no, I don't think Bernie would have won either. Democrats had a dreadful choice at the primaries th

      • I went to the supermarket today. According to the National Enquirer, Hillary Clinton has already been indicted for a whole bunch of illegal things she did. It was on the front page. I'm still a little leery of jumping on the "OMG FAKE NEWS!!"

        The difference is that now people take the national enquirer seriously. Or actually (since they don't), that ludicrous made up stuf was confined to places which few people took seriously. If you earnesrlt shared National Enquirer stories on face book most people from e

    • Edward Bernays renamed it "Public Relations", because "Propaganda" had too many negative implications.

      BTW, He's the guy who said manipulating public opinion was essential to democracy. He did work "influencing public opinion" for Woodrow Wilson during WWI.

  • by fred911 ( 83970 ) on Saturday December 03, 2016 @07:43PM (#53417057)

    I use a high quality source for my news. TheOnion.com is America's finest news source (it says so in Google) and provides me with everything I need to know about news. If everyone would use high quality news sources, we would all know the truth like I do.

    • The best comedy requires a grounding in truth to be effective. A lot of the articles on the Onion are funny because we recognize and can relate to their topics [theonion.com]. Remind you of anyone you know? Yeah... me too.

    • Quite frankly if there's not a Slashdot article about it, it didn't happen. Sometime in our near future I will be sitting in a demolished building with radioactive ash raining down on me and I'll read a Slashdot article saying Trump has launched a nuclear strike, get to your bunker.

      The first post will be: "This happened 4 days ago, Slashdot is slow."
      My post as I'm dying on my keyboard will be: "ORLY? This is just another anti trump conspiracy."

  • by cosm ( 1072588 )
    Look. If you think your populace is too stupid to discern between a clickbait tabloid and real news (whatever the fuck that is these days), going after the messengers will only aggravate the issue. Either through malice or stupidity, a government truthiness division will just make people more likely to validate their biases towards those that are government approved. This is just a ploy for votes/money anyways. The CIA has long participated with the media in terms of combating propaganda and injecting the [wikipedia.org]
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      American government de-funds schools in favor of war in the middle east.
      American government is surprised large numbers of their citizens are gullible fools.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by epyT-R ( 613989 )

        It's the school system that created all this snowflake syndrome we have now. You think that shit starts in college? I have news for you.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 )
      You're wrong about that. People are dumb and they believe anything they see on Facebook. So get it off Facebook and problem solved.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by amiga3D ( 567632 )

      It's yet another government waste of money. Fake news is effective because all the major news outlets have lost their credibility by not even trying to hide their bias. I know that CNN usually doesn't tell outright lies though, even if sometimes they report things with a certain slant or ignore some stories. I know that 99 percent of what I see on twitter is bogus. Still, the fact that the MSM has become so obviously pro left has pretty much enabled all these crazy stories. Now, having the government ch

      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        The US government already had it war on news, Ronny Raygun killed it along with the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org], bullshit won and it is still winning in the US at least on main stream media. Its like they can not accept that their bullshit always rots away when exposed to the truth, they just keep it going, anyhow with taxpayer dollars, targeting the majority with more propaganda. The workers are shit, the rich are gods, shut up and obey, why don't they just brand that on all poor children's foreheads

        • by guises ( 2423402 )
          This is a little bit of an aside, but the whole "liberal main stream media" thing basically started with Spiro Agnew - he calling them "nattering nabobs of negativism" and that hostile relationship has continued ever since. At the time, or maybe a little afterwards, this might have been true. The Nixon administration was corrupt as shit after all, and maybe the media really was out to get them because, again, they were corrupt as shit.

          Of course, nowadays the right has the largest news network (Fox), the
      • by quantaman ( 517394 ) on Saturday December 03, 2016 @09:09PM (#53417485)

        It's yet another government waste of money. Fake news is effective because all the major news outlets have lost their credibility by not even trying to hide their bias. I know that CNN usually doesn't tell outright lies though, even if sometimes they report things with a certain slant or ignore some stories. I know that 99 percent of what I see on twitter is bogus. Still, the fact that the MSM has become so obviously pro left has pretty much enabled all these crazy stories. Now, having the government chime in is only going to make people double-down on the fake stuff. If there is any organization less trusted than the media it's the government.

        Remember all those years where Sarah Palin was the effective leader of the GOP base? Remember the absolute gong show of the 2012 GOP Presidential Primary with the parade of ridiculous not-Romneys?

        2016 isn't the first time the GOP has gone off the deep-end, if media coverage seems skewed it's because it's difficult to give an intellectually honest defence of the US right when it regularly rallies around conspiracy theories.

        If anything the media helped Trump with constant coverage of Clinton's emails and controversies around her foundation, while paying no attention to the actual policies being discussed.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      With the large media companies unable to effectively control the election and give Hillary the presidency its time for an overhaul. These 5 or so companies should be the ones controlling the election, not these independents.

    • by rholtzjr ( 928771 ) on Saturday December 03, 2016 @08:51PM (#53417407) Journal
      This is not about being too stupid or not. This is an attempt to only validate news sources that certain parties want them to listen to as a valid new source. In other words a step towards government sponsored censorship. Of course they want to push this through as quickly as possible to ensure this is enacted in time for the 2020 election. They want to ensure that there is no interference in their next election (as they believe there was, because all those smart, qualified people who predicted the outcome were WAY off target).
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Mr307 ( 49185 )

        Its another thin edge of the wedge event.

        1. 'Something must be done to protect the people.'
        2. The something includes a framework that restricts a right we all have and want, but 'it will only be used for this 1 purpose we promise'.
        3. Based on the promises of every administration ever the protection is passed/enabled.
        4. 28937438 other uses for the framework are found and since someone else thinks we need more protection our rights are reduced some more.
        5. We dont have that right anymore (for our own pro

        • Honestly , I do not see this going anywhere. This is just part of a wish list to control the information to the masses.
          • Honestly , I do not see this going anywhere. This is just part of a wish list to control the information to the masses.

            You must also be one of those lucky citizens who doesn't pay taxes. I see this as just another excuse by government to demand a larger budget, paid for by taxpayers of course.

            The function or effectiveness of this new requirement will never be tracked, and no one gives a shit enough to do so. This continues to allow billions to be poured into pointless programs today. I see no difference tomorrow.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      Look. If you think your populace is too stupid to discern between a clickbait tabloid and real news (whatever the fuck that is these days), going after the messengers will only aggravate the issue.

      This is windfall of the long-term, intentional program of the right to destroy competent US primary (secular) education. An ignorant populace is an easily deluded and manipulated populace.

      This priority is right up there with dog-whistling intolerance and minority voter disenfranchisement.

  • by mysidia ( 191772 ) on Saturday December 03, 2016 @07:52PM (#53417103)

    The time is coming where any news expressing something the government doesn't want us to hear will
    just have a FAKE label slapped on it, followed by a "Fake News Removal Order" (Evolution of the DMCA) sent to the hosting website.

    If it were really about eliminating the fake news threat; a major goal would instead be to improve education of the people to more readily spot suspicious content, evaluate it logically and rationally, and not be fooled by snake oil.

    • by rholtzjr ( 928771 ) on Saturday December 03, 2016 @09:05PM (#53417463) Journal
      The current state of the US public education system (e.g "leave no one behind") is a bit questionable. This did nothing but normalize all public education to the lowest common denominator. This will hopefully be addressed this presidential term as promised. However this is a huge undertaking and whether it happens or not is to be seen. But remember, in order to maintain control of the masses, you must keep them happy, but ignorant. So education revamp may not happen.
      • I think the issue is more that several consecutive generations have been fed the idea that experts aren't right and shouldn't be respected.
        • I disagree. Experts CAN be wrong . Look at this last election. Experts thought the knew the outcome to a 98% certainty at its highest, and on election night, is only went down to somewhere in the 80's and in the end got it totally wrong. And these were political analysts (e.g EXPERTS).

          What should be done is collect as much information as possible by looking at the information from multiple angles and make the decision based on that information. You know, independent thought. Never blindly accept an an

          • Experts thought the knew the outcome to a 98% certainty at its highest, and on election night, is only went down to somewhere in the 80's and in the end got it totally wrong.

            Not totally wrong. The winning margin in the popular vote, which is now approaching 3 million, is almost exactly where most of the "experts" put it.

            As for the Electoral College, those votes still haven't been cast and the recounts haven't taken place. Expect an interesting few weeks.

          • I disagree. Experts CAN be wrong . Look at this last election. Experts thought the knew the outcome to a 98% certainty at its highest, and on election night, is only went down to somewhere in the 80's and in the end got it totally wrong. ...

            You realise they gave probabilties, not hard projections, right? I can tell you you have a 78% chance of not flipping 3 heads in a row, so the most likely outcome is that you won't. It doesn't make me wrong if you happen to flip 3 heads in a row.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by lgw ( 121541 )

          think the issue is more that several consecutive generations have been fed the idea that experts aren't right and shouldn't be respected.

          Fuck experts. You're not right because of a certificate or credential. If you have a cogent argument, the argument is right. If you're good at your job (whatever you're an expert in) you can explain your argument persuasively. Let's take some examples.

          One group says "immigrants took our jobs, and raped our women". The experts say "no they didn't, shut up you racist". Result: Trump is president.

          One group says "I don't believe in this global warming stuff - it has the same pattern as everything else the

          • by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Saturday December 03, 2016 @11:59PM (#53418035) Journal

            One group says "I don't believe in this global warming stuff - it has the same pattern as everything else the left made up to seize power." The experts say "the science is settled, shut up you denier". Result: Trump is president.

            That's an interesting take. I guess that means that when Obama won two elections and leaves office with a higher popularity than Ronald Reagan, during those eight years climate change was real?

            Or are Trump voters kind of stupid people? I heard Ann Coulter today complaining that Donald Trump is betraying his supporters. She remarked, "It's not my fault".

            Despite the fact that she wrote a book titled, "In Trump We Trust". Yes, it appears that Trump supporters make up most of the ass end of the Bell Curve. I assume you've joined their brilliant #DumpKellogs boycott in which they buy Kellogs products and then post selfies of them dumping out those products. That they just bought. Before that, they held a boycott of Starbucks in which they went to Starbucks, bought a $6 coffee and then forced the girl at the counter to write "Trump" on their cup. Not quite clear on the whole, "boycott" concept, but they sure are enthusiastic.

            Here are some more enthusiastic Trump supporters:

            http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11... [nytimes.com]

            So here what: Trump and his supporters will not be normalized. There will be no point over the next two years when Donald Trump is accepted as President in any normal sense. And when it comes right down to it, there are 3 million more people who voted for someone everybody hated instead of Trump. He's going to have a hard time claiming any mandate or legitimacy. He's the second Republican president in a row who got fewer people to vote for him than the losing candidate, and he has to make sure to stop any effort to actually count all the votes and audit the election process in order to hold on to power. He's already a lame duck and he hasn't been sworn in yet.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            "I understand why you think that way, plenty of smart people would, knowing what you know. Here are some things you don't know, and why they're important".

            We tried that, and it didn't work. All we got back were conspiracy theories (China invented global warming!) and outright denials from people who wanted to carry on acting the way they always had.

            It's worth pointing out that most of the experts didn't actually say people were idiots and xenophobes, that was just the inescapable conclusion that even the dumbest people dimly realized.

          • Fuck experts. You're not right because of a certificate or credential.

            I think you make the common mistake of equating "experts" with "credentials." Experts are people who actually KNOW stuff. Credentials are sometimes useful for determining experts, sometimes not. There are plenty of people who don't have a certificate in X which nevertheless may BE an expert in X simply due to their experience, their own independent study, etc.

            So, no -- the fact that you have a credential absolutely does not mean you're right. But the fact that you KNOW more stuff does make it more lik

  • Good. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday December 03, 2016 @07:53PM (#53417111)
    A lot of /.ers will say if you're dumb enough to fall for fake news that's your problem. You're ignoring what happens to millions of people's brains as they age. Not everyone has their full mental facilities in their 50s, 60s and 70s. Unless you're going to start administering tests to decide who gets to vote (and please God, let /.ers be smart enough to know why that's a bad idea) then the problem of fake news needs to be faced head on.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by fnj ( 64210 )

      Immature know-it-all detected.

    • by amiga3D ( 567632 )

      You know, there's that pesky first amendment to consider. Since Hilliary isn't going to get to stack the court with progressive judges who can reinterpret the Constitution the way it was meant to be written you have to consider that even fake news is protected speech. If lies were against the law we'd have POTUS, all the Senators and every single Representative in the House in jail.

    • You are essentially arguing that democracy relies on a government that actively decides which media outlets are trustworthy and which ones should be censored. One of the core tenets of Western democracies was that the media was supposed to inform the people, so the people could act against government abuses of power.

      See the problem here?

    • Agreed, fake news has always been there, this is just a new name that has been applied to it.

      Some say that the brain does not fully develop on average until 25-30. Don't know about you, but I still have all my mental faculties at 55. About the only thing that has changed dramatically is the increase in apathy about quite a few things.

  • Sooo (Score:5, Insightful)

    by JWW ( 79176 ) on Saturday December 03, 2016 @07:56PM (#53417127)

    What part about freedom of the press and "congress shall make no law" don't they understand

    Shit, they might as well name the new effort the Ministry of Truth so that it can be crystal clear what they are trying to accomplish.

    • Re:Sooo (Score:4, Funny)

      by amiga3D ( 567632 ) on Saturday December 03, 2016 @08:12PM (#53417205)

      I know right. You've got all these paranoid people who mistrust the government and then you make a propaganda/truth bureau to reinforce their paranoia.

    • Re:Sooo (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Kohath ( 38547 ) on Saturday December 03, 2016 @08:45PM (#53417379)

      That's sort of near "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people".

      It's a living, breathing document. So it means (or, in these cases, doesn't mean) whatever powerful people want it to mean today. Tomorrow it may mean the exact opposite. Because power. And because shut up.

  • So when does the US government fund a war against fake network news, or the general bullshit spewed forth by our elected officials ?

    • by amiga3D ( 567632 )

      Trump just funded that war himself. Seems he won. Now he's got 4 years to show us his bullshit.

    • The US government will try to spend trillions on the war, while Trump will win it w/o spending even a dime. But only until Jan 20th, when Trump gets to end this war since he'll be on the same side
  • mixed in with the Streisand Effect
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 03, 2016 @08:06PM (#53417175)

    What, the US mainstream media didn't work hard enough disparaging Donald Trump for the last year? Let's dredge up the Russia boogeyman again and say Russian propaganda is a threat to US propaganda. We need to install a new government branch called the Department of Propaganda to counter such danger to national security. Citizens and countrymen, it's time to double, nay triple our propaganda efforts this time, so that it doesn't fail again!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 03, 2016 @08:10PM (#53417201)

    The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 (part of the National Defense Authorization Act) has repealed the domestic prohibition, allowing the government's propaganda to be directed at/created for Americans for the first time in over 40 years.

  • by mentil ( 1748130 ) on Saturday December 03, 2016 @08:17PM (#53417237)

    Russian propaganda is an excuse and diversion to prevent people from realizing that this is a new effort of the US government to create and disseminate propaganda to the American public, fully backed by the law. The line "2017 intelligence authorization bill calling for new executive branch efforts" sounds a lot to me like "President Trump will have this new propaganda tool at his disposal to hoodwink US residents even further than they already have been by every source already."
    It also smacks of a return to the Cold War anti-USSR propaganda spouted by every source. I can't help but feel a "wag the dog" situation is unfolding, with a growing Russian bogeyman to distract us from our growing domestic problems.

  • Trump will use this new government power to determine which news is legitimate and which is "fake". Perhaps he will send the IRS after his enemies in the "fake" news camp, just like the Obama Administration did with the Tea Party. I hope you're not on the donor lists the IRS will be demanding from those organizations that Trump doesn't like. If you are, you better have all your financial records in order.

    The FEC may also want to talk to you if your donations funded any "Citizens United" style communicati

  • "[C]ounter active measures by Russia to exert covert influence over peoples and governments."

    Covert? Seemed rather overt to me.

  • Zero to do with "fake" news (as if real news exists). Everything to do with wrenching 160m from taxpayers and handing it to friends of big government.
  • depolarize (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 03, 2016 @08:36PM (#53417335)

    The current state of affairs is too complicated for an AC analysis in a single post but I will say a few things. The two main political parties are closer to each other than we realize. If you look at Europe and elsewhere, you find greater differences and more parties. Because they are so similar, they have spent decades attempting to distinguish themselves and their supports from the each other. They have played the people against each other through sensationalist rhetoric, attack campaigns (good ol' muckraking as it used to be called), lies and incessant fear that the other party is trying to destroy your life and family. We've dug a 3 mile deep trench in a 10 foot wide field and convinced everyone that the people on the other side are monsters. Incidentally, this sort of dehumanizing psychology is what allowed so many soldiers to view the enemy as animals and treat them accordingly. When we no longer see people, we are no longer bound by any empathy.

    So how is this relevant to fake news? The connection is simple imo. If you believe that the other side is a manipulative, pathological liar, then everything they say and everything that agrees with their viewpoint must be wrong. It can't be considered or even analyzed. So what do you do? You seek out views that reflect your own side and you end up in an echo chamber.

    While I believe that the internet has the greatest potential we have ever seen to bring us together and unite us as a species on a path to a better future, that potential is not being realized. We may be here together on this site right now, collectively considering the consequences of fake news, the recent election, the growing surveillance across the globe, and we may share the same shock and dismay and even fear, but this is yet another echo chamber. All forms of social media seem to reinforce this and the potential of the itnernet is lost in groupthink.

    We have reached a point where the American government is going to start policing media for fake news in the interest of national security. This is the motivation of China with their great firewall. That was the motivation of the old Soviet governments. Censorship and control are not the answer. Meaningful dialogue and a critical eye are. We need to stop with the vehement rhetoric and the everpresent need to prove the other side wrong or scream about how the sky is falling. We need to calmly start asking for citations and weigh the evidence presented. We need to remember that most issues are finely nuanced and that sometimes both sides are partially right and partially wrong. We need to stop seeking out spurious information that confirms our own worldview and re-inforces our comfy bubble, but rather seek out contrary information and evaluate it.

    If we can do that then all the BS in the world from foreign state agents won't make a difference. We are only susceptible to it now because of all the ridiculous infighting. Decades of that have left us uncritical, petulantly defensive, blind to facts, and obstinate to an impossible degree.

    If your response to this is to just blow it off as "yeah, people are stupid, you can't do anything about it" or make more sarcastic comments then you are part of the problem. This can be changed. Shitty government can be changed. Shitty news agencencies can be run out of business. It just won't happen if we're all sitting around mouthing off about how bad everything is on the internet instead of discussing ways to fix it.

    Of course, the pessimistic cynic in me says that this won't even show up on the page. Prove that voice wrong.

  • Oh, great. So now we'll have a truth commission
    Next we need to find the disloyal propaganda-spewing reporters and make them sign loyalty oaths.
    Oh, and don't forget that Hollywood is owned by foreigners. Something should be done about that.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 03, 2016 @08:45PM (#53417387)
    Seriously. They meddle in elections all over the globe.
    Elect anyone who is slightly socialist?
    USA to the rescue!!
    Elect someone the USA doesn't like? Must be election fraud!!
    Nationalize oil companies? Here, have an embargo.
    Violate the human rights of women and immigrants, don't have democratic elections, no freedom of religion, no free press?
    Please be our ally UAE!!
    Honestly, fuck the US and their hypocrisy.
    They can complain about russians influencing their election when they stop fucking around with countries all over the world.
  • by whodunit ( 2851793 ) on Saturday December 03, 2016 @08:59PM (#53417429)

    Historical article: "Establishment of Minitrue"

  • This is the government realising that the internet is taking control of ideas away from big media and giving it to the people ... of the whole world. Unfortunately some of the people are apparently paid by the Russian government and that's going to be hard to deal with. Big media is relatively easy for the government to control, or maybe it's the other way around. Either way, neither of them like the change in the status quo. Luckily for those in the US, you have strong constitutional protections for fr

    • The problem is that people equate being able and allowed to tell the truth with some sort of obligation to do so, and that's dangerous. You have the same effect as you do with people being dissatisfied with the medical system or with science. I do not want to believe in established science/pharmacy/news, and there is someone else who sells "non-establishment" science/pharmacy/news, so he must be right because "the establishment" is something I don't trust.

      And that's dangerous.

      Just because A is false doesn't

  • ,,, PUSSY GRABBER becomes President of the United States of America.

  • In a last ditch desperate plea to the community, The Onion posts an article that the feds are coming, and they need help, but everyone just laughs at it.
  • by Z80a ( 971949 ) on Saturday December 03, 2016 @09:52PM (#53417665)

    Is to fix the credibility of the so called real news, in this election they basically burned all their goodwill as fast as a gamegear plow thru batteries.

  • Total Coincidence (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Sartr ( 4784565 ) on Saturday December 03, 2016 @10:00PM (#53417695)
    Rumors about Pizzagate hit the internet. Twitter removes people talking about it. Reddit deletes the group talking about it (but leaves actual groups of pedophiles online!). Even 4chan, the internet's cess pit is trying to censor it. The MSM won't touch it. Suddenly there's a big war on "fake" news, simultaneously by the new media, the old media, and now the government.

    This much censorship makes it MORE likely there's something to the allegations, not less. Nobody cares when the National Enquirer makes up nonsense about Brangelina or the Weekly World News claims to have found aliens.

    • Re:Total Coincidence (Score:5, Informative)

      by quantaman ( 517394 ) on Sunday December 04, 2016 @02:01AM (#53418383)

      Rumors about Pizzagate hit the internet. Twitter removes people talking about it. Reddit deletes the group talking about it (but leaves actual groups of pedophiles online!). Even 4chan, the internet's cess pit is trying to censor it. The MSM won't touch it. Suddenly there's a big war on "fake" news, simultaneously by the new media, the old media, and now the government.

      This much censorship makes it MORE likely there's something to the allegations, not less. Nobody cares when the National Enquirer makes up nonsense about Brangelina or the Weekly World News claims to have found aliens.

      Media should ignore fake news when possible. Reporting it, even to debunk it, tends to give the story more credibility and make the target look more suspicious.

      Pizzagate is a great example. It's fake news, a particularly ridiculous piece of fake news where people have invented a massive pedophile network all because they didn't understand why a restaurant owner (who was also a fundraiser) was mentioned in an email [bbc.com].

      Pizzagate isn't a scandal. It's a trashy detective model where the characters have been given names of real people.

      Now were Twitter and Reddit right to censor those discussions? I don't know. Going by the fact I've been spared knowing about this particular piece of stupidity until now I can't say they're wrong.

  • by Vinegar Joe ( 998110 ) on Saturday December 03, 2016 @10:08PM (#53417719)

    You remember.......the one the Obama administration blamed for the Benghazi attack? Does that count as fake news?

  • by Zemran ( 3101 ) on Saturday December 03, 2016 @10:17PM (#53417757) Homepage Journal

    I used to turn to BBC for reliable news but once they became embedded during the Iraq war they never extricated themselves and are no longer a reliable news source. I turned to Al Jazeera who always reported both sides and went out of their way to help me understand the other side of the story but the US military actually targeted them and arrested them so they stopped printing the truth. There is only fake news left. I now read a variety of sources like Russia Today as well as western news and judge the truth to be somewhere in the middle of the two lies.

  • After a year of dealing with CTR shills, this is the last thing I want to hear.
  • Once Trump is inaugurated that war will be ended. Does it give the POTUS the option to redirect the remaining funds elsewhere? Somehow I doubt Trump is going to get the people working under this bill all jobs at Carrier though...

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