Most Firefox Users Still Running Windows 7 (softpedia.com) 210
Microsoft is pushing hard for Windows 10 to become the operating system of choice for everyone across the world, but this isn't happening just yet, as Windows 7 keeps dominating the desktop market. From a report on Softpedia: The Firefox Hardware Report published recently by Mozilla shows that Windows 7 is the number one browser for users running the company's browser, with a share of 44.86 percent, followed by Windows 10 with 25.67 percent. Seeing Windows 7 dominating the desktop OS charts is not surprising, but on the other hand, it's living proof that Microsoft will really have a hard time moving users to Windows 10 before 2020 when it reaches end of support. Microsoft's Windows 10, however, already improved substantially since its launch in 2015, mostly thanks to the free upgrade offer targeting Windows 7 and 8.1 users, but this still isn't enough to become the number one choice for PC users.
Missing the point (Score:5, Insightful)
Microsoft's Windows 10, however, already improved substantially since its launch in 2015, mostly thanks to the free upgrade offer targeting Windows 7 and 8.1 users, but this still isn't enough to become the number one choice for PC users.
Quality isn't really a problem for Windows 10 as to why people are not upgrading Windows 7. While some drivers will eventually be updated for Windows 10, some of the "features" like telemetry are the problem. That and how MS forced updates on people involving trickery.
Re:Missing the point (Score:4, Insightful)
Yep, and the way you never know what sort of OS you'll be running tomorrow.
MS has given themselves total control over your computer. You have no say in the matter.
Obviously they're not going to delete all your files, but ... what happens if they push out a bad update and everybody's machine is out of action for a week?
What happens if they decide a new monthly subscription model is the way forward for Windows "professional" users? Insert credit card...?
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I can see the subscription model for windows up by 2020 - time to get out now.
Re:Missing the point (Score:5, Interesting)
what happens if they push out a bad update and everybody's machine is out of action for a week?
You mean like last week? [arstechnica.com]
I was scratching my head for an hour trying to figure out why my wife's laptop showed it connected to the AP but not the internet. I felt really dumb once I figured it out. Then I read this story and got really mad. All the while happily connected to Steam playing games on my Win 7 desktop running Waterfox [waterfoxproject.org] (64 bit FF fork). And of course since it took out DHCP there's no way for the average person to connect to get the patch!
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I don't see how the last part of your statement follows from the "Obviously" part. Please elaborate.
Re:Missing the point (Score:5, Interesting)
That and how MS forced updates on people involving trickery.
Bingo. The flat-out trickery and subterfuge that was used to force the upgrade on people was the most damning indictment of why people shouldn't upgrade.
If they have to trick you into doing it, chances are it's not in your best interest.
Lowest Common Denominator (Score:5, Informative)
Microsoft removed the cheesy [extremetech.com] Aero interface for one reason only: mobile devices could not run it efficiently.
As Microsoft's mobile strategy has utterly failed, Windows 8 and 10 users are forced into a mobile-friendly UI for no purpose whatsoever.
The market objects.
Re:Lowest Common Denominator (Score:4, Insightful)
Microsoft removed the cheesy [extremetech.com] Aero interface for one reason only: mobile devices could not run it efficiently.
It's almost as if you of abstraction layers. There's no reason it can use Aero on the desktop and something different on a mobile device.
They could even let the user choose what they want!
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Yeah, the trickery and spying are the problem for me. And I suspect that's probably the case for a lot of Firefox users.
Look, I use Firefox because I'm generally privacy-conscious. I don't want a browser that phones home to Google all the time. I definitely don't want a broken browser [brokenbrowser.com] made by Microsoft. I use Firefox because it allows me to (provably) disable third-party communications, I can fine tune which features are enabled and turn off the ones I feel may pose a security threat, and it has a solid bas
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Look, I use Firefox because I'm generally privacy-conscious. I don't want a browser that phones home to Google all the time. I definitely don't want a broken browser made by Microsoft. I use Firefox because it allows me to (provably) disable third-party communications, I can fine tune which features are enabled and turn off the ones I feel may pose a security threat, and it has a solid base of plugins to help create a more secure environment.
Firefox talks the talk about privacy but makes it virtually impossible to achieve. Sheer volume of "call home" excuses in Firefox is breathtaking. Their own expansive about:config privacy documentation tweak guide is as incomplete as it is ridiculously long and convoluted to follow.
If they really gave a shit they would provide usable privacy options as in options that mortal people can actually manage.
Such as:
"Never call home for any reason".
"Ask me before calling home"
"Automatically call home for x class
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No No No (Score:3, Insightful)
The reason that people are NOT upgrading to Windows 10 especially from Windows 7 are many. It is a multifaceted whole.
The Fuckery Never Ends (Score:3, Informative)
There's a lot that I like in Windows 10 but there's SO MUCH MORE ASININE FUCKERY that you can't get rid of that just makes it teeth-gratingly irritating to use
Case in point: There's this insidious piece of trash called the Windows Game Bar, fine, cool... cool... how do I rid myself of this unwanted plague? Oh well, simply LOG IN to the Microsoft XBox app and disable it ...but what if you don't have an account? Then make one and log in and then disable it. Riiiiiight
OKAY well lookie here there are some power
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You have a valid point - I use Win10 at home and I'm not sure what "telemetry" really is (its extent, reach, etc). Win10 seems good to me, fast, it works - my PC was a Free upgrade from Win7. Sure there are a few hiccups here an there - but nothing to the level of say my iPhone which occasionally freezes for 15-30 seconds at a time. Plenty of things to like & dislike such as searching for "Event Viewer" and having Bing results including Plane Ticket to Event.
Which makes me wonder what the Corporat
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Given Microsoft's trickery in attempting people to download Win10, I'll stay away from it.
It's sad. When I go to a store and see the new PCs, part of me wants to buy the latest. However, when I see "Win 10" listed as the OS, there is NO WAY I will buy a PC with that operating system.
So... I stay with my Win7 systems and have migrated another laptop to Linux Mint, in preparation for completely pulling the plug on Microsoft operating systems once Win7 is no longer usable.
If Microsoft would keep the UI simpl
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I bought the GPD Win palmtop PC (not for games, really, but there was no alternative with an x86 CPU and this form factor and my Viliv N5 is a bit slow). It came with Windows 10. After failing to make Windows 8 work on it (sound driver didn't work properly and there was no display of remaining battery charge - kinda important for a mobile device) I had to go back to Windows 10 and spend a few days making it not send data to Microsoft and disabling updates (so my settings stay).
As an OS, Windows 10 is not th
win 10 is still a work in progress (Score:4, Insightful)
It is far and away better than it was a year and a half ago, but Win 10 still has a ways to go before it is ready for the "it just has to work all the time" workloads of many with demanding workloads. It is stable, but they need to really finish the transition from old to new completely, and add proper GPO management around new features like the Windows Settings app that is replacing control panel a little more with each feature update. Give it another 6 months or so and it will be there I think.
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How in the hell can you ship a patch that breaks DHCP and not see that in QA?
Easy, lay off all your QA people. The users are QA, now...
7 works (Score:5, Insightful)
Still proudly running XP and Firefox! (Score:5, Insightful)
One of my desktops is a Phenom triple-core I built in 2009. It's kinda underpowered for newer Windows versions so I still have XP (service pack 3) running on it.
It runs like a champ by the way, still quite snappy. I used to run Google Chrome on it, but some time last year it started spamming me with "Upgrade your windows, Chrome no longer blah blah" message so I uninstalled Chrome and put Firefox on it. Runs great, happy with the setup.
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WinXP isnt a "vulnerable OS" is you do the wepos registry mod to it. Google is your Friend. essentially the wepos mod makes your xp install look like one of the embedded windows xp installs that are still out there in the wild. think of ATM and other POS uses.There are still regular batches of monthly updates coming out for XP after you make this mod to your system.
Re:Still proudly running XP and Firefox! (Score:5, Funny)
I enjoy running your copy of XP too ;). I have to admit - your old machine is a weak link in my botnet though - especially as everyone else likes using it too.
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Does Mozilla still support Windows XP SP3 for its products? I thought they dropped that OS support recently. I used to run an updated 14 years old 32-bit Windows XP Pro SP3 too until my old Seagate SATA HDD died due to its clicks of death back in 10/22/2016 in the early mawning hours. I was forced to get a new SATA HDD and install a new Windows (64-bit 7 HPE SP1 this time). That's OK. It was way overdue to start from scratch especially when I stopped doing backups of everything (only do unrecoverable data
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XP (all versions) are supported until 2018. After that I may retire the machine from internet duty and relegate it to a file server or something.
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Supported? Where do you see that? I know embedded XP is supported which I don't use.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Ahh. You were talking about Firefox. I thought you meant the OS. :)
It looks like Mozilla will end Windows XP support in March 2017 according to quick Google searches: http://www.google.com/search?q... [google.com] ...
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Thanks for the mention of uMatrix, I wasn't aware of it before but I'm installing it right now. Very useful add-on.
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Yeah, I noticed, lol. I'm finding it may be more trouble than it's worth at this point....we'll see.
But of course! (Score:4, Funny)
...shows that Windows 7 is the number one browser
Sure thing, Manesh.
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Worse - it's in the cited article as well. Didn't the submitter (msmash) bother to read it first, or is this just karma whoring.
The Firefox Hardware Report published recently by Mozilla shows that Windows 7 is the number one browser for users running the company’s browser, with a share of 44.86 percent, followed by Windows 10 with 25.67 percent.
How hard would it have been to link to the actual report [mozilla.com], which doesn't claim that Windows 7 is a browser?
I do too (Score:3)
Poor 3rd party link (Score:5, Informative)
This link is to a badly written Softpedia article, which has the link to the actual Mozilla report.
Why couldn 't Slashdot link to the original report? It's very informative.
The Softpedia article adds no information, and sounds like the writer is a non-native English speaker.
Free Upgrade Offer (Score:5, Funny)
Windows 10: Do not want [pandawhale.com]
2020 (Score:2)
windows 10, hmm (Score:2)
Only 77% have Flash? (Score:5, Interesting)
My biggest surprise is that only 77% have Flash installed. That either means users don't need Flash any more on the desktop or Mozilla has a bigger mobile usage than I think... Either way I think it's good.
https://metrics.mozilla.com/fi... [mozilla.com]
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I'm not sure how you concluded that 77% = nobody.
Sounds like just about every telemetry report companies use to "prove" that useful features need to be removed by force.
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The conventional wisdom (that I've been exposed to) would say that on desktops the Flash marketshare would be >95%. Most of that "wisdom" may have come from Adobe itself: https://www.adobe.com/mena_en/... [adobe.com] (2011 time frame too).
I knew that Flash was being used less, I just didn't realize a substantial install base didn't have it. Or in other words 23% != nobody.
Interesting, but not unexpected (Score:5, Insightful)
"Free upgrade offer" (Score:2)
Right. "Free upgrade offer".
I'll have to remember that phrase next time I want to forcibly coerce someone to do something that they don't want.
Lets hope they fail. (Score:2)
Microsoft is pushing hard for Windows 10 to become the operating system of choice for everyone across the world
I wanna continue to run Linux.
MIcrosoft has a plan (Score:2)
to "convince" the hold-outs.
Anybody who knows Windows at all knows you have to periodically reinstall the operating system, and you really don't want to skip the security updates.
As best I can tell, it is now impossible to reinstall 32 bit Windows updates, because the first time you run it, the master list of all updates exceeds the maximum possible memory for 32 bit operating systems. It might still be possible to - slowly - get through it with automatic updates every night for a week, but I wouldn't bet o
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Get this, and keep it on your NAS.
https://support.microsoft.com/... [microsoft.com]
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I'll take another look at it. I haven't have all that much success with convenience roll-ups in the past. I firmly believe this is intentional on Microsoft's part.
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Nice theory, but in reality, when you have 100+ computers, and the OS install isn't static, hardly practical.
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I have no troubles with my own computers, at home or at work. But when talking about an admin, you're talking about computers used by other people, hundreds of other people, in my case, many of whom are not the most computer literate in the world. You, of course, apparently have zero experience with being an admin, will suggest those people should be fired, proving you also have zero experience with business management, as well.
So, how's the burger flipping business these days?
"..improved substantially.." (Score:2)
Microsoft's Windows 10, however, already improved substantially since its launch in 2015..
'Improved' for the user, or have they just 'improved' their spyware/adware/malware/surveillance/privacy-invasion software? I'll never use it willingly until it's 100% free of all the above. I'd rather use some flavor of Linux, even if that means I lose access to some software and some functionality. Fascism is a real thing, and even a corporation can be Fascist in how they conduct themselves; this does not however mean that we end-users must put up with corporate Fascism.
End Automatic Updates (Score:2)
Windows 10 won't be popular until it stops restarting without asking users.
Malware is unacceptable (Score:4, Insightful)
Win10 is not even on my radar. As long as it is loaded with malware and forced updates feature set is irrelevant.
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Win10 is not even on my radar. As long as it is loaded with malware and forced updates feature set is irrelevant.
I don't think the phoning home is ever going to stop. So I wonder what you are going to do when the security updates for Windows 7 finally stop.
Common sense issues apply (Score:2)
There will always be people running old computers that should NOT run a new OS. Many, if not most of you don't remember when low end computers had 128MB or 256MB of RAM when Windows XP was first released. Needless to say, Windows XP was painfully slow for those who decided to pay to upgrade their computers to XP back in 2001-2002. When faced with "too little RAM" as the reason for the performance issues with XP, you had people who either stuck with Windows 98 or ME, or they upgraded their computers,
Really, people? Windows? (Score:2)
It's 2016. Why is anyone still running *any* version of Windows outside of some backward, locked-down corporate environment? I know there are little gamer kiddies that are desperate for compatibility with their proprietary software, but outside of that, I honestly don't understand. I don't know anyone who uses Windows myself. The people I know who refuse to use some variant of Linux (including Chrome OS and Android, of course), all use Mac OS. I can only assume this is *still* due to Microsoft's unethi
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Why?
Because various gadgets' software often require Windows or a Mac to function. If they subscribe to Adobe Creative Cloud, they'll be on Windows or a Mac (gimp is NOT a Photoshop replacement, and there is no F/OSS photo processing/lightroom software as good and easy to use as Lightroom). If they're into 3D gaming (3D Vision) they'll be running Windows. If they're running $GameNotOnSteam, they'll be running on Windows rather than mess with Linux + Crossover Office and find it doesn't work out of the box.
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1. Games (I may not be a "gamer", but I like to play games once in a while)
2. Windows-only software. I use Multisim for drawing circuit diagrams. It does not work on Linux.
3. Hardware compatibility. Find me a clamshell UMPC with x86 CPU (so I can use Wine) that completely supports Linux. I have a Viliv N5 with 1GB RAM and Windows XP (too little RAM for newer Windows). I tried installing Linux on it, but I could not get it to be stable.
Firefox users vs. Chrome users (Score:2)
Does this study say something about Firefox users, or does it say something about Windows users?
Maybe Firefox users are more likely to use Windows 7, but that doesn't mean that Chrome users are likewise inclined.
A person's browser choice says something about them.
- Edge - probably a person who doesn't know how to switch to a different browser, or doesn't know why one would want to.
- IE - probably a similar person, who is using an older computer.
- Firefox - probably more security-conscious than most
- Chrome
Yeah, but look at the bugs M$ ADMITS to... (Score:2)
...notably excluding the one's they DON'T:
https://blogs.windows.com/wind... [windows.com]
Scroll down to "Known Issues."
Whatever happened to the concept of "testing" and "fixing" defects ("bugs") in code. Apparently, end-users are not as eager to be willing to be guinea pigs for untested code, not that they have to PAY for this kind of punishment.
Remember: If the product is claimed to be "Free," YOU are the product!
Re:Kind of consistent, isn't it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Do you complain about people using the wheel that has been around for thousands of years too?
You're under the assumption that the latest SHINY is worth upgrading to.
I neither want nor need MS spyware.
Re:Kind of consistent, isn't it? (Score:5, Insightful)
He also assumes that our printers, etc., will have drivers available and we won't need to spend $1000 for the privilage of junking them.
And ... that all our documents and data files will still be there after an "upgrade". Mine certainly weren't when I tried it. Luckily for me the rollback to Win7 worked or I'd have lost everything.
(yes, I had a backup, I'm not that stupid)
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My migration from Mac to Windows happened because Apple depricated all of my SCSI, ADB and serial peripherals at the same time and if I had to buy all new stuff, it wasn't going to be for a clear plastic Mac.
LK
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My migration from Mac to Windows happened because Apple depricated all of my SCSI, ADB and serial peripherals at the same time and if I had to buy all new stuff, it wasn't going to be for a clear plastic Mac.
LK
As long as you are happy, that's all you need.
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Goodness, that was before the big jump to OS X happened!
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> You don't have privacy on the internet.
YOU don't have privacy on the internet. People who want it, do. More importantly, the fact that privacy on the internet is harder to come by than it should be, does not in ANY way give justification to Windows 10, which makes you not have privacy on your DESKTOP.
> Well set aside those Libertarian ideas that \. loves so much, boys, only regulation will fix this kind of crap.
Install Linux, problem solved :/
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Wait, Backslashdot likes libertarian ideas? I guess I'm on the wrong website then.
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Meanwhile you stay on an insecure OS and you make it possible for your machine to become a zombie and interrupt MY experience. Don't like it? Well set aside those Libertarian ideas that \. loves so much, boys, only regulation will fix this kind of crap.
Well, Einstein, you just made millions of people revert to Windows 95 in the hope that they can be owned, and absolutely ruin your experience.
Too much coffee today, or just a natural rager?
shiny? (Score:2)
But the funny thing is that Win7 is "shinier" than Win10. Do a web search for "Windows 10 ugly", for example. On another /. topic, I've said that if Windows was Indiana Jones, then Win7 would star Harrison Ford, and Win10 would star Lego actors.
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On another /. topic, I've said that if Windows was Indiana Jones, then Win7 would star Harrison Ford, and Win10 would star Lego actors.
From what I've heard the Lego movies are pretty entertaining, and I know the games are, if Windows was Indiana Jones, Windows 10 would nuke the fridge and have a third act that looks like watching someone else playing a video game.
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You took your machine to a computer store for idiots to mess with and you didn't make a backup first? Pot, meet kettle.
I wish I still had Vista.
No you don't. Trust me on this one.
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Vista wound up being fairly decent. It sure didn't start that way, and 7 was a very definite improvement, but I was reasonably happy with it shortly before moving to 7.
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So after running Vista (wtf1), when you finally decided it's time to an "upgrade", you hand your computer to the idiots at "the computer store" (wtf2) to have them install W10 (wtf3) for you, because what, is it difficult? You didn't back up your files (wtf4) beforehands, or at all in the last 20 years, i suppose.
I know /. is mainstream theses days, but WTF are you doing here?
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> the idiots at the computer store erased [...] 20 years worth of files...
I feel your pain! I lent my car to a friend with the only copies of 20 years of precious family photos in the back and he lost them. Haha just kidding, I wouldn't do something so careless, and if I did I wouldn't blame my friend I would blame myself.
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Re: Kind of consistent, isn't it? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Given NINETY-FIVE PERCENT ACCEPTANCE rate, MS will no doubt disable your ability to turn them off before too long.
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What percent of users do you think did what you did? I'm guessing less than 5%.
Well firstly your "guess" is completely unsubstantiated but wouldn't that be all the more reason to spread the solution? Unless of course you want it to be accepted to the point where it can't be turned off, if that's your agenda then by all means continue trying to suppress that knowledge.
Given NINETY-FIVE PERCENT ACCEPTANCE rate, MS will no doubt disable your ability to turn them off before too long.
But there isn't a 95% acceptance rate, that's something you just made up out of nothing. I'm telling you the solution to the problem and your response is to whine about your made up fantasy future where that solution migh
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You missed the point though
MS can look at 5/10/15 percent of people to take the time to do something and 'claim' 95/90/85 percent LOVE IT the way it is just fine and proceed to use their own 'assumptions' to further goals the OP was saying didn't matter because he could turn it off currently.
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MS can look at 5/10/15 percent of people to take the time to do something and 'claim' 95/90/85 percent LOVE IT
They can claim whatever they want to but really its effectiveness is measured in how many people actually click-through, even if you don't opt-out it's completely ineffective if you don't click on it. But all the more reason to take my advice and turn it off rather than pretending everything's hopeless and continuing your agenda to try and get people to leave it on.
to further goals the OP was saying didn't matter because he could turn it off currently.
It's one line of text in the start menu, which you can turn off and if your workflow is to launch programs through one of the other many means o
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And what idiot entrusts a computer store with sensitive data?
Garry Glitter [bbc.co.uk]
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I bet you are not using the same thousand year old donkey cart.
I'm using Donkey Cart 987.4 and it works fine. It may have been a mistake to add nitrous as we gain no extra velocity and the donkey weaves around a bit... but he seems happy so I give him a whiff every once in a while. I have found load balancing to be important [verylol.com], but other than that no complaints.
Re:Kind of consistent, isn't it? (Score:5, Insightful)
That's kind of stupid. Windows 8 and 10 offer "almost" no useful features over Windows 7 and have a much less power-user friendly GUI. Every GUI dialog takes twice as long to display, and twice as many clicks to accomplish.
The ONLY feature of Windows 8/10 that I've noticed I'm missing? Desktop Duplication API which allows fast, user-mode, desktop capture. Why isn't it in Windows 7? Because Microsoft arbitrarily decided to remove it from that version of DirectX/DXGI for Windows 7.
Great folks.
And some psychopath backported it to Windows 7.
https://github.com/rgcjonas/dd... [github.com]
And I work in IT and software development, supporting hundreds of Microsoft desktops and servers from XP (and Win server 2003, ugh.) to Windows 10 and use them all regularly. So I'm talking from a position of experience, and not willful blindness.
Re:Kind of consistent, isn't it? (Score:5, Insightful)
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" Try hitting the start button in Windows 10 and type "Windows Update"
I've just done so. The first result is "Check for System Updates", the second "Windows Update Settings". Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
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> The only thing I can think of is arguably a better interface for touch screen users.
I don't want a non-touchscreen device to have an OS that was designed with ANY consideration for touchscreen users. All that does is hurt the usability on the device I'm using it on. The touchscreen device should have an OS, or at least a UI, that is entirely designed around them. A hybrid approach sucks for everyone.
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I've got an MS Win7 tablet I use to run some camera software. It's far more simple and easier to use as a touch screen than MS Win10. The clutter and shifting shit means MS Win10 does not even win that category IMHO.
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I feel like W10 has a better on screen keyboard then W10, but that might be about it. However, my W10 tablet no longer works at all (WinBook, won't boot except to the "Rescue"screen that won't allow me to boot to any rescue media even though it claims to be trying to do that...), so that really isn't a concern for me any longer. Shame, because I almost liked the little tablet (save for the abysmal battery life - with an Intel Atom in it I got at most two hours of life out of it, and it died after a day on
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... said a random anonymous coward while providing zero examples.
Great post, would read again.
Re:Kind of consistent, isn't it? (Score:4, Interesting)
On my desktop box I use Win 7 and FF, and they work just fine for me; I see no compelling reason to upgrade or change.
I use Linux Mint and FF on my laptop and also see no reason to change anything there.
Not all of us want to spend our lives upgrading stuff or chasing the release or gadget or whatever. Some of us just want to find something that works and use it.
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On my desktop box I use Win 7 and FF, and they work just fine for me; I see no compelling reason to upgrade or change.
I use Linux Mint and FF on my laptop and also see no reason to change anything there.
Not all of us want to spend our lives upgrading stuff or chasing the release or gadget or whatever. Some of us just want to find something that works and use it.
That's because we are actually doing things, and not just trying to get the operating system to work.
So odd to see these shills yapping about how awesome W10 is, and that no one should mind the telemetry because other stuff has it, when at base, Updates break your system. Then again, some as swipe said we're just supposed to avoid buying things that Windows 10 breaks.
The shills are getting rather psychotic these days.
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The shills are getting rather psychotic these days.
They gotta do something now that Correct The Record has laid them all off.
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They better not upgrade to the newest CPUs that will require Windows 10 (or Linux).
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-10-the-10-biggest-controversies-and-surprises-in-2016/ [techrepublic.com]
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That's not quite right. You can run Windows 7 on Skylake and Kabylake just fine. What you don't get is support for any new features specific to those processors. You still gain in IPC and/or clock speed as per normal, and you can still run them just fine.
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You can run Windows 7 on Skylake and Kabylake just fine.
From what I read elsewhere, it's the next gen processors that will require Windows 10 or Linux.
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I've seen more weird bugs on Windows 10 than any version of Windows in a long time, and the "flat UI" look is stupid and ugly. Some pajama boy threw out all the major R&D and UI advances that Microsoft was at the forefront of in the 80s and 90s just so he could foist his minimalist aesthetic in a place where it does absolutely no good. I know I'm personifying what is surely many, many people, but the effect is the same... throwing out 30 years of hard-won UX knowhow to turn the desktop into someone's
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The difference between FF and Chrome, of course, is that FF actively notifies you (allowing you to immediately change those settings) and doesn't sell your info to anyone with a few bucks to spare.
Disabling Chromes telemetry takes a bit of doing, and more technical knowledge and skill than the average user can manage. (Assuming that it can actually be completely disabled, of course.) They also don't tell you about it, preferring to keep their invasive data collection and sale as secret as possible.
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Linux is great. I use it in my servers and in my desktop PC in the office. It works great, for desktop use LXDE does not take a lot of resources and looks good. KDE also looks good even though it uses more resources. I also am an admin for a lot of Linux servers and they all work great.
However, I also have problems with desktop Linux at home:
1. Most video games do not run on it (yes, there are Linux compatible games, but they are a subset of Windows-compatible games).
2. A lot of software I want to use (NI M