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Canada Remains a 'Safe Haven' For Online Piracy, Rightsholders Claim ( 134

The MPAA, RIAA and other entertainment industry groups are calling out Canada, claiming that it remains a "safe haven" for copyright infringers and pirate sites, reports TorrentFreak. From the article: One of the main criticisms is that, despite having been called out repeatedly in the past, the country still offers a home to many pirate sites. "For a number of years, extending well into the current decade, Canada had a well-deserved reputation as a safe haven for some of the most massive and flagrant Internet sites dedicated to the online theft of copyright material," IIPA writes. Another disturbing development, according to IIPA, is the emergence of stand-alone BitTorrent applications that allow users to stream content directly through an attractive and user-friendly interface, hinting at Popcorn Time. In addition to the traditional pirate sites that remain in Canada, IIPA reports that several websites offering modified game console gear have also moved there in an attempt to escape liability under U.S. law.
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Canada Remains a 'Safe Haven' For Online Piracy, Rightsholders Claim

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  • by TJ_Phazerhacki ( 520002 ) on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @04:42PM (#53868289) Journal
    It's probably a net good for the world. The sooner these leeches are cut off, the better for literally everyone involved in the equation other than themselves.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      But how is the poor, poor metallica going to survive then? I mean god, they have to do concerts now! Won't someone please think of the poor metallica!

      • by CohibaVancouver ( 864662 ) on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @05:20PM (#53868565)

        But how is the poor, poor metallica going to survive then? I mean god, they have to do concerts now! Won't someone please think of the poor metallica!

        Hey Anonymous Coward, my brother is an author.

        When someone steals an e-book of his work, how does he put bread on the table?

        Should he "do" book-reading concerts?

        • Not completely related, but to answer your question... why not just publish paper-only stuff? Lots of self-publishing resources out there. For example, CreateSpace [] can publish his books on paper and sell it for him on Amazon for a nominal fee per copy, and for an additional fee, pimp his book to bookstores.

          I guess what I'm getting at is, your bother is limiting himself if he only does eBooks.

          • why not just publish paper-only stuff?

            Limits your market. Lots of people don't want to buy a paper book - They want an e-version for their e-reader.

            Plus it's a 'greener' choice - No dead trees.

            But he doesn't exclusively do e-books.

            • "Plus it's a 'greener' choice - No dead trees."

              It is not that simple; an ebook requires a device that consumes power every time you read it. Some devices consume more power than others.

              I am all for having more trees, but you cannot have an infinite amount of them. As long as a new tree replaces the 'dead' one, carbon is taken out of the atmosphere. Paper is a form of fixated carbon. Although energy is required to get it to its final format, so does a tablet.
            • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

              Plus it's a 'greener' choice - No dead trees.

              It's not greener. We have a forestry cycle for a reason, and in the west every tree cut down for pulp, wood, fuel is replaced with 2 new trees and the lovely cycle begins anew.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          Create a Patreon, that works for indie comic book authors.

          That said, The problem in Canada , and what the MPAA are referring to are people selling nVidia Shield, and other Android tv boxes (eg Ouya) pre-loaded with Kodi and all the piracy plugins.

          What people are oblivious about is that these are very poor replacements for Netflix, and even worse replacements for blueray discs. Even the one person in my family who pirates movies and tv shows frequently bought one and then gave it away, finding downloading to

        • Serious question:

          Did he really believe he would be able to write stuff that people will /want/, and make a living at it?

          That's the problem with creating anything. People have to want to buy it. Whether it be books, movies, tv shows, beer or basically anything else.

          Personally I'm pretty picky about what I spend my money on. I pay for Netflix because it's convenient. I buy the odd movie here and there if I like it. Maybe twice a year if there is something really good in the theatre's I will take my wife or my

          • I buy from Steam bundle sites. Humble Bundle is generally the best of them all and I buy from it the most. It also sells mobile bundles and book bundles which I also buy. I have no qualms about infringing copyright and am even going so far that it is a religious belief that I have that I should be free to engage culture as I see fit and to impose government restrictions on me infringing copyright infringes on my religious freedom which according to the Constitution should take priority.
        • by Minupla ( 62455 )

          Honest question - how does he (and you I suppose by extension) feel about Libraries. They effectively cause the same issue for authors at a smaller scale (although maybe larger in aggregate, (not having firm numbers on ebook piracy rates vs traditional library use), especially since some libraries (my local included) offer ebook borrowing services.

          • by dryeo ( 100693 )

            The other question is "how does the *AA feel about libraries". My wife borrows a dozen or so DVDs every week or so, which doesn't seem much different then piracy. Library buys one copy and it gets shared, heavily in the case of new releases. I have the feeling that libraries wouldn't exist if the *AA had their way and we're lucky that they didn't have any power a hundred years ago.
            Publishers and the parent posters brother probably hate me for borrowing books as well.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          my brother is an author.

          When someone steals an e-book of his work, how does he put bread on the table?

          Should he "do" book-reading concerts?

          Most pirates purchase more than non-pirates []. What your brother should do is provide enough value in his work to make the people who pirate one book want to seek out the rest.

        • Yes. They are called book signings and book tours.

    • I am developing the claim that I have a religious belief that accessing culture on whatever terms I please is beneficial and that prohibiting me and others who share this belief from doing so is religious persecuted and prohibited by the Constitution. If I understand some of Trey Gowdy's recent statements right, according to him I've got a strong case. Not that I'm relying on him as a good authority, mind you. It is important to make yourself someone they don't want to mess with, though.
    • It's probably a net good for the world. The sooner these leeches are cut off, the better for literally everyone involved in the equation other than themselves.

      We're accepting your illegal immigrants to go with the illegal whatever that the RIAA and MPAA dream up.

  • Good (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Canadians chose to write their laws in a way that favors consumers over major content distributors.

    Canadians are OK with this.

    Screw off, big media. Eat a puck.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Sweden did that too, until they had to change. RIAA/MPAA have very deep pockets and very good connections, you know. They can force entire countries to change their laws. Do not think Canada is safe. Don't be surprised when they yield too.

    • Re:Good (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Minion of Eris ( 1574569 ) on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @05:04PM (#53868461)
      To paraphrase what our Supreme Court said (back in the late 80's or early 90's - time makes things slightly fuzzy) "Peer-to-peer networking is much like having a photocopier in a library - there is nothing inherently illegal in it." We have generally had a bit more lenient an interpretation of "fair use" as well.
    • Re:Good (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Straif ( 172656 ) on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @05:48PM (#53868771) Homepage

      The main reason we get away with a lot of piracy is that we introduced the blank media tax in 1997. At the time that meant that almost any storage media that could possibly used to store MP3s/Video had some charge placed on it that was paid to the various rights holders. Essentially the various interested parties surrendered some of their ability to go after violators so that they could get a steady paycheck. It wasn't like Canada was some piracy utopia, they just found an alternative method to get paid and were happy to settle for that.

      Cut to today where most people don't even use the taxable media anymore and those paychecks are getting smaller and smaller. The rights holders have fought for years to extend the tax to other devices (like MP3 players and smartphones) and have sometimes won but usually lost or been overturned so now they're just going to make noise. They've been talking about trying to remove the tax so that they can go after individuals much like in the US.

      • remove the tax and what happens to people who payed it and used the law to copy stuff can they be sued? can they use the old law to get a free pass? Do they have to fight it out in court and still lose after the costs of court?

        • by Straif ( 172656 )

          The law never technically gave anyone legal protection, just made it a dangerous process for the rights holders to try and sue because most people didn't like the idea of record companies 'double dipping' (receive their portion of the tax and then suing for damages). Even so, if they tried to sue after the tax was removed for a violation that occurred while the tax existed my guess would be most judges would possibly find for the plaintiff (as piracy is a violation of copyright law) but the reward would be

  • Go Canada! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Sebby ( 238625 ) on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @04:44PM (#53868307)

    So the poor snowflakes over at the MaPhiAA are tired of "calling out" Canada for not bending over to ensure its profits.


    • by Calydor ( 739835 )

      No need to be that inventive with the name:

      Music And Film Industry Association.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Holy crap. They have NO Trump in Canada AND free health coverage AND piracy rights are better which makes the MPAA pissed? How soon can I move there???

  • Or the MPAAA & RIAAA as they're called north of the border.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Calling out Canada on their terrorist like activities. I mean ultimately this piracy is funding ISIS and Russian hackers.

    I think we all know what this means.

    It's time to invade Canada!

    • It's been awhile since we burnt down any white houses, so, why not? Nothing better to do while we wait for spring. ;)

    • You do remember why your White House is white, don't you? Last time you tried that sh!t we had to light a little fire on Pennsylvania Ave.
  • Translation (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @04:56PM (#53868399)

    In other words they have perfectly sensible piracy laws that don't roll through peoples lives like like a WWII sea mine for copying a few songs/movies. These agencies lost the right to make these kinds of claims when they began hitting people with hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines and jail terms for making duplicates of their crap and calling it "theft" of "intellectual property", while at the same time demanding that they not be held accountable when in their steamrolling operations they hit droves of innocent people with copyright claims/take-down notices.

  • Well... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Baron_Yam ( 643147 ) on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @04:58PM (#53868415)

    We're all taxed on digital media (found guilty and sentenced regardless of whether we've actually committed an offense) so Canadian citizens tend to be a bit more blasé about benefiting from digital piracy. To us, it's not really piracy because we've paid. Maybe the **AA guys should have thought about that before lobbying successfully for the laws we ended up with.

    After that, we have laws that say sharing unlicensed content is on the head of the person doing the sharing... and you actually have to prove the infringement.

    So yeah, it's more difficult to stamp out pirate sites here because we expect due process and not **AA thugs wearing pseudo-police gear and issuing threatening letters that look like they're backed by the court system.

    • But the complaint is that we're a safe harbour for pirate sites, not that we have less draconian laws than the rightsholders would like us to have. Although, that's likely the point of this latest broadside, as usual. Well, bring it on Trump! We know where the Baldwins and the Arquette's live (you remember what happened last time), and we're through apologising for Brian Adams.
    • It's not piracy (Score:4, Informative)

      by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @06:18PM (#53868965)
      Because of the media tax that the record and movie studios lobbied for and got, it's paid legal distribution, not piracy. If they want to redefine it as piracy, they'll have to first start by repaying all the taxes that have been collected on blank media. Otherwise it's an invalid contract since no consideration was given in exchange for the taxes that buyers paid, and the studios are then guilty of fraud and theft.
  • We owe you one, eh!

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Don't Canadians already pay an extra fee/tax on call recording media? Wasn't this supposed to off set losses due to improper copying? And isn't there an extra fee/tax on Internet bills to cover the same sort of thing? I really don't know one way or the other, which is why I'm asking.

    • by corychristison ( 951993 ) on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @05:15PM (#53868529)

      There are levies on certain devices, and recordable media (writable CDs), now-a-days dubbed as the "ipod tax".

      It only covers personal use, technically. Sharing content while making a profit is still illegal (eg. File sharing site with ads on it), and punishable with hefty fines and possible jail time.

      Sharing with friends and family is a grey area, and generally regarded as safe to do.

      Basicslly as long you're only downloading for personal use, there is nothing the media corps can do about it. If you seed back into the torrent swarm, however, it gets a little muddier, as technically you are contributing to sharing the content.

      Android based TV boxes that use illegal streams (usually from China) are rampant around here, though, as technically there is no uploading or contributing back to the "illegal" sharing of content, so they are generally accepted as legal by the public.

      Lots of gotcha's but all in all generally regarded as legal, fair use of content.

      There is no additional taxes or levies on internet connections that I am aware of.

      • by Minupla ( 62455 ) <minupla&gmail,com> on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @08:25PM (#53869733) Homepage Journal

        Also the caps on penalties are more reasonable here, making the "Pay us 5000, or we'll sue you for 1,000,000" threat ineffective. The max for non-commercial infringement up here is 5k. Since that's the max, in most circumstances, the judge would prove a much lower cost, say 100-200$.

        Quoting directly: "(b) in a sum of not less than $100 and not more than $5,000 that the court considers just, with respect to all infringements involved in the proceedings for all works or other subject-matter, if the infringements are for non-commercial purposes."

        The copyright trolls haven't been too interested since then.

        background if you're interested: []

        • The other nice thing about this is that it's $ 5,000 per person, not per infringed work. :) Trying to sue a single person for having a couple hundred MP3 and MKV files on their computer wouldn't be worth the filing fees for most law firms.

          We've really tried to shift enforcement operations over to the commercial copiers and seeders, and not the individual end-users. Which is pretty much the opposite way of the ol' US.

          The RCMP has also come out publically saying it's not worth their time to investigate indi

    • There was no Media Tax on internet service. Blank DVD/CD's likely aren't selling like they used to either. Further, The **AA's are not legally capable of suing a Canadian citizen into financial oblivion. So about all the **AA's can do is rattle sabers once a year.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    How would Americans feel if a Canadian IP rights agency was trying to influence American laws and how things were done down there?

    Something tells me that it wouldn't be acceptable.

    I know not all Americans feel the same way but this is how a country alienates its self from the rest of the world and given how much content the US provides for the rest of the world, these actions might be instrumental to the loss of profit in the content creators as the rest of the world stops playing this game.

    • by kuzb ( 724081 )
      You might be shocked how many TV shows and movies are shot in Canada. In Vancouver and Vancouver Island you get a lot of crews coming to shoot. I remember going out to watch the shooting of Godzilla several years back, a bunch of us made a day of it, and it was a lot of fun to BS with some of the actors and extras. They even had the train with the impressively large nuke prop on it parked on the CN railway tracks, and a strategically placed smoldering helicopter wreck.

      Toronto also gets a lot of crews
  • *AA wants to be payed again to for you to move your content to an new system. Hell they think ripping your own cd's to play on a phone / ipod / etc is Piracy and they want to resell the same thing again with added DRM and some times even added DLC want that higher bit rate pay more.

    I have seen this with payed emulation systems they do less then the free and ones that come before the payed ones. Why can't they just sell the roms?

    At least with dos box games you can take the files as you want* and with thing l

  • I am very happy to be Canadian.

    Not that there is any paucity of reasons of late.

  • by Tyr07 ( 2300912 ) on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @07:02PM (#53869251) Homepage

    The problem they have is pirates have the better product.

    It just works, it doesn't hassle me for what devices I play it on, it's not greedy trying to make me pay for every device I watch it on. I mean fuck that's like if a VCR tape worked only on one TV and if you bought a new TV they expect you to buy a new tape to watch the same movie you already paid for.

    Stop being retarded maybe, that's a good start. Stop region locking, there's a lot of content I'd happily buy at a reasonable price to add to my collect, but then PIRACY so DRM and if your shit service goes down, I lose my collection.

    Pirated content can be safely at high quality stored on other media and collections saved.

    The only real future is if they develop an international system that all countries support including the government and it's people to subscribe services and licenses to, the licensing and distribution has to include the government and be attached to government IDs for the country to apply their licenses.

    If I purchase the collection of sword art online, it's registered to me forever, I can watch it on any device I own, and if you are at someones house you can temp sign in to watch a movie you paid for etc.

    Like real media then you can share it reasonably, but once you leave, it goes with you, which protects the copyright holders as well as applies the convenience we expect.

    That's the only realistic future for these kinds of things, and even so it won't be perfect, but until your product is better than pirated content, you're fucked.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I was watching Deadwood on Kodi the other day & my friend says "hey you know this is on amazon video right, youve got amazon prime, why arent you watching it there instead?"

      I hadnt really thought of it, i suppose its because Kodi has a nicer interface? TBH i hadnt even searched for it on amazon, i just assumed it wasnt there, or only half of it was, or there would be commercials or some shit, Kodi -just works- so thats what im using.

      Even when the legal source costs me nothing, i still go to the pirate

  • They make it impossible, difficult, or prohibitively expensive to get the content, and then wonder why people just pirate it. Just look at Netflix. It took years for the libraries to get even close to equitable, but now that they are 5.2 of the 30 million Canadians now subscribe. Hulu, Pandora, HBO Go, and others refuse to offer service to Canadians because greedy American corporations refuse to license the content. Quality services that do find their way to Canada and are reasonably priced get snapped
  • Every god damn year this report comes out, and it lies like a Sean Spicer press briefing.

    The 301 watchlist report is trotted out every year. and every year Canada is one on the great boogy men to chase. Its a bad report that has little objective evidence in it, and is at most an industry ad propaganda briefing. Im sure there will be a detailed analysis out shortly, but here is one of Dr. Geists past looks at this annual right of **AA venting its spleen "because Hollywood is doomed if we don't fix this"

  • If its not able to be downloaded anywhere, I'm very unlikely to purchase it. Movies Music or Software. Chances are if I can download it and I do. I will eventually spend money on it, maybe multiple times if need be. But very rarely if i can test, or watch it before hand. I cant tell you how many movies I've downloaded to watch 10-15 minutes of it and turn it off and delete it.
  • 1) BS

    Firstly it should be pointed out that all the data that they have used in the past about how Canada is a haven for copyright infringement has been disproved. Multiple times. The numbers they use are largely made up, and have no real basis in reality. So them coming out again, with more of the same BS should be rightly ignored.

    2) REP

    As the first point alludes, their reputation for bending "facts" as it suits them really isn't doing their cause or reputation any favors. In addition, in Canada they once h

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