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More Than Half of US Workers Didn't Use Up Their Time Off Last Year (qz.com) 464

An anonymous reader shares an article: Americans, famously, take far less vacation time than their European counterparts: less than 17 days, on average, compared to 30 days in France, for example. But for many Americans, that's apparently all the time they need. More than half of all US employees (54%) didn't use all their days off last year, working a combined total of 662 million more days than required. Of those days, 206 million couldn't be rolled over or cashed out, meaning they were forfeited, costing the equivalent of $66 billion, according to a report (PDF) from Project: Time Off, a group funded by the travel industry. While it's a group with a strong interest in promoting more vacations, their findings are still revealing about America's unhealthy reluctance to take time off. Almost 60% of US workers who don't take their allotted vacation say they fear the amount of work they'll have to return to, according to the survey of 7,331 working Americans. Others (47%) say they stay put because they believe no one else can do their job, or because they want to impress their bosses with their dedication (36%).
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More Than Half of US Workers Didn't Use Up Their Time Off Last Year

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  • Of Course (Score:5, Informative)

    by segedunum ( 883035 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:03AM (#54509949)
    US workers are absolutely terrified of taking time off lest it gets used against them in a review and they get fired and replaced at a moment's notice. How many people really think anyone at Netflix or elsewhere takes advantage of the ludicrous notion of 'unlimited holidays'? But hey, the American dream........
    • Re:Of Course (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:09AM (#54509973)

      Word. I get a lot of time off, but when I try to use it my boss is always "oh, we don't have coverage (BS), or "you are using it too fast/often" (also BS). Of course it doesn't roll over or get paid out at the end of the year, either.

      • Word. I get a lot of time off, but when I try to use it my boss is always "oh, we don't have coverage (BS), or "you are using it too fast/often" (also BS). Of course it doesn't roll over or get paid out at the end of the year, either.

        Are you one of my co-workers?

      • Re:Of Course (Score:5, Interesting)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @10:12AM (#54510893) Homepage Journal

        In most EU countries the employer will be in trouble if they fail to let you take all your holiday. In fact they need to push you to use it all up, because if there is any significant amount (>1 day) left over it can open them up to legal problems.

        And of course, EU citizens have a much higher minimum - in the UK it's 28 days, of which your employer can require you to take 8 on public holiday days like New Year's Day, but that still gives you 4 weeks a year. Currently if you do regular overtime that increases your holiday entitlement too.

    • Re:Of Course (Score:5, Insightful)

      by geekmux ( 1040042 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:25AM (#54510055)

      US workers are absolutely terrified of taking time off lest it gets used against them in a review and they get fired and replaced at a moment's notice. How many people really think anyone at Netflix or elsewhere takes advantage of the ludicrous notion of 'unlimited holidays'? But hey, the American dream........

      Companies need to respect vacation. Otherwise, what in the FUCK is the point of issuing it out to every employee? Managers need to respect that their human employees need some time away from the high-stress workplace every now and then.

      And no, I don't agree with companies having a policy of letting you cash out on unused vacation. That's just an excuse to keep you at your job. You need to take some time off every now and then. We ALL do.

      In this particular aspect, the Europeans GET IT. And we Americans have completely lost that concept, to the detriment of our minds, our bodies, and the working society as a whole. FUCK simply dismissing this. American workers need to start demanding that their employers respect the concept of vacation. Taking vacation is not a sign of weakness. It is a sign of sanity and common sense.

      • Re:Of Course (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Octorian ( 14086 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:47AM (#54510197) Homepage

        And no, I don't agree with companies having a policy of letting you cash out on unused vacation. That's just an excuse to keep you at your job.

        I once worked somewhere that went a step further than this... In addition to letting you cash out anything over X hours of accrued vacation time (or roll it over, if you really wanted), they included all the normal "company holidays" in the flexible vacation time balance. So while you did technically get X company holidays a year, plus a reasonable allotment of actual vacation time, it all came out of the same pot. That meant that you actually had to use your vacation time to take those holidays off.

        In theory, this was great. You got more vacation time, and could use it however you saw fit to do so. No need to be limited by specific pre-scheduled holidays.
        In reality, this was extremely annoying. It basically meant that you were discouraged from ever taking any of those normal holidays off, so you didn't ever get a long weekend break. (this all was extra annoying as a junior person who didn't accrue vacation at as high a rate as everyone else, and who didn't have a family to take actual scheduled vacations with.)

      • Re:Of Course (Score:5, Interesting)

        by aaarrrgggh ( 9205 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @10:28AM (#54511027)
        I completely agree that people need to use their vacation, however for some people they would rather have the money.

        From a corporate responsibility perspective, it is stupid to not force people to take two week contiguous vacations every year, fully disconnected from work. You basically need it for detecting fraud and lack of process redundancy. The challenge is how a company handles the vacancy-- OT on other people, temps, or something else... all of which are ineffective.
    • Re:Of Course (Score:5, Informative)

      by QuietLagoon ( 813062 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:28AM (#54510071)

      US workers are absolutely terrified of taking time off lest it gets used against them in a review ...

      My manager told me that I could not use my vacation time so long as there was work to do on the project I was assigned to. It was a three year project;. HR was useless, telling me that I could take the vacation but refusing to tell my manger the same thing. I waited until a lull in the project (another department was the critical path for a while), gave a month's notice, and took a week vacation. A year later, I was included in the layoffs.

      • My manager told me that I could not use my vacation time so long as there was work to do on the project I was assigned to.

        If my manager ever told me that they'd be getting a visit from an investigative team of the works council followed probably by a fine from the state.

        Your manager is the reason other countries have laws protecting vacations.
        Also the reason other countries have laws against unfair dismissal.

    • unlimited holidays = we can call you when on one of them to remote work if needed.

      • by mark-t ( 151149 )
        Would that mean that you are prohibited from vacationing in areas where you would not be reachable remotely, eg, camping in the mountains?
        • well bob we have really have unlimited time out of the office but we want to be in for core hours for about 85-90% of the year. But some people like jay are in the office 125%-150% of the time and we want to be like jay on this job.

    • What seems to work better is mandatory holiday, where you boss is telling you to take time off. We don't want to be the guy who isn't a team player. but if our boss tells us to take time off, we are being a team player and doing what the bosses say.

    • Re:Of Course (Score:5, Interesting)

      by garcia ( 6573 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:30AM (#54510095)

      I work for a company that offers unlimited vacation. I use it, extensively and, as a leader, I encourage my entire team to use it extensively as well. Last year I took more than 8 weeks of vacation and I'm already expecting 7 this year.

      From the article:

      Others (47%) say they stay put because they believe no one else can do their job, or because they want to impress their bosses with their dedication (36%).

      You know what impresses me? People who are refreshed and excited at work, not those who are so self-righteous to believe no one else can do their job (that's total and unadulterated bullshit) or who think I'd be impressed by slogging through half-awake at work.

      • You obviously are lucky enough to be in a workplace that offers unlimited vacation, AND doesn't have anyone cut throat enough to use it on you to get to the top. I have worked with someone who used to openly brag about how he got this person or that person fired. And there was no doubt in anyone's mind if there was anything he found that could be used against you, it would be brought to the office's attention immediately. Someone like this would have no trouble poisoning an entire workplace. So, hope yo
        • by garcia ( 6573 )

          I don't consider myself 'lucky'. I've worked in places like that (unionized environments were incredibly dramatic) and I made professional moves to place myself in organizations which meet my personal values.

    • Yep - "unlimited time off" means you'll know if you used too much when they fire you for using too much of it. So don't use any if you can avoid it.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by gymell ( 668626 )
      I'm a contractor, and last year I found a company that looked like a great opportunity to work with some technologies I'm really interested in. They mentioned their great benefits, including an 'unlimited' time off policy. So I asked one of my interviewers (a dev ops guy) about that - how many hours did he work a week, and how much vacation did he take. It turned out he hadn't taken any time off in the previous 6 months, and was working a lot of overtime. Meantime, the CTO had taken 6 weeks off to go on som
  • It's not 'cause they didn't wanna. It's 'cause they died.

  • if we only had EU workers rights or an union!

    In the EU they can't block you from taking time off.

    • I'm required to take 3 weeks off by our labor laws in Norway.
      That takes the blame away from the worker and puts it on the government as far as the company would be concerned.

      Then again, the concept of a "joint vacation period" or "Fellesferien" is a thing here: http://articles.latimes.com/20... [latimes.com]

  • by Danathar ( 267989 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:10AM (#54509979) Journal
    A lot of other people (and myself) have combined leave (sick and vacation) hours. I don't use all my leave because you never know when you might be sick, and if you get laid off it's nice to have some extra money that you get by cashing in your excess PTO hours.
    • by Megane ( 129182 )
      And then there are those of us who don't get sick much and end up losing our "sick" days. At least PTO gives you a choice.
      • by Oswald McWeany ( 2428506 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:28AM (#54510075)

        And then there are those of us who don't get sick much and end up losing our "sick" days. At least PTO gives you a choice.

        In my experience combined PTO that includes sick days means people who are sick come into the office and get other people sick rather than lose vacation days.

        This hurts the company (and the employees who get sick more often as a result).

        • It's also an underhanded way to encourage people with chronic health conditions (probably older) to leave for other employment and encourage healthy (probably younger) employees to hire on. This reduces their health care risk pool and reduces costs.

    • by EvilSS ( 557649 )

      A lot of other people (and myself) have combined leave (sick and vacation) hours. I don't use all my leave because you never know when you might be sick, and if you get laid off it's nice to have some extra money that you get by cashing in your excess PTO hours.

      I used to do this when we had combined PTO/Sick and year-to-year rollover. Due to my seniority I have a ton of PTO and I would keep at least 2 weeks, usually more, in reserve for an emergency. But last year my company got bought out and changed that, moving 7 days from PTO to dedicated sick time, and they eliminating year to year rollover. So now I let them build up from the start of the year and start taking time off towards the last half of the year just waiting for the axe to fall but not wanting to g

  • I get 20 days of PTO each year and only 10 days will rollover into the new year. If I don't use it, then I'll lose it. Everyone at my job takes time off throughout year. I typically take time off for comic cons and work through the year-end holidays while everyone else takes time off.
  • by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:16AM (#54510007) Journal

    ...and it's not because I love work.

    The simple fact is that if I'm gone for a day, the amount of work I come back to is more than a day's worth.

    • I don't take a week off... I take a day or two here and here, sometimes a Wednesday, sometimes a Friday or Monday to make a long weekend.

      Why?

      I already get a week off around my birthday when the college I work for closes for Spring Break, and again anywhere from 10 to 20 days when the college closes between the Fall and Spring terms (Winter break/Christmas).

  • Gaslighting (Score:5, Insightful)

    by zifn4b ( 1040588 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:19AM (#54510019)
    That's because in America Gaslighting [wikipedia.org] is the status quo especially in corporate America. It takes this form: "You are weak and should fear job loss if you don't work 80 hours a week." Basically, the labor shortage that was brought on by the Great Recession which was brought on by the Foreclosure crisis scared people to death. Corporate America wasted no time using this as an opportunity to terrorize the work force into being "more productive" with complete disregard for employee health. Also, this isn't really news. The good news is we are about to hit a boom cycle hopefully. Boom/bust economics folks.
  • The boss might find they can get along just fine without you.
  • by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:21AM (#54510037)

    (This is a generalization, I don't want to see hundreds of posts stating that they are the exception)
    In general Americans will define themselves on what they do. When meeting a new person, one of the first questions asked is what do they do for a living. We use the answer of this question to help define and place themselves in society. Before you realize how unfair this is, other cultures, will make the same judgments based on family, religion, race, political standing, their dress, their car...
    Being that what we do for work is a key part of our identity, we prefer to spend a good portion in enforcing and strengthening it. While the numbers show the opposite, taking time off, we get the perception that we will be considered lazy, not a team player, and not productive if we take too much vacation. So we usually keep these vacation days, not as vacation but as emergency time off days.
    Also we subconsciously control our work environment so we necessary as an individual to the institution, and poorly sharing your information with other workers. So if you take time off, you get back with a weeks worth of work that you will need to do, being an other intensive to not take time off.
     

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      That's simply not true. In other countries people define themselves on what they do too, but they understand that there are other things in life and are reasonable.
      Keep telling yourselves comforting lies. The rest of the world will live their lives happier while you waste your (only) life for your corporate overlords.

    • by Octorian ( 14086 )

      When meeting a new person, one of the first questions asked is what do they do for a living.

      And if the person asking you the question doesn't really understand your answer, then they instead ask you "Where do you work?"
      (Likewise, I've seen plenty of people give the "Where do you work?" answer in lieu of "What do you do?" in other situations.)

      This has always made me somewhat uncomfortable, because maybe I don't want to tell someone I just met where I actually do work. (Especially so if you don't work for some large behemoth where you're one of thousands.)

  • I noticed that the PDF did not list that travelling sucks as a reason. It could be that reason did not crack the top 5 or 10, but it's up there for me. The airlines and TSA have made travel an absolute nightmare. It used to be fun to hop on a plane. Now it's excruciating as I watch a TSA agent pat down my teenage daughter because she had a pudding cup in her backpack.

    I actively avoid flying at all costs now. Screw that. Screw them. I haven't been on a cruise ship, but I hear mixed stories ranging from "amaz

  • by enjar ( 249223 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:39AM (#54510131) Homepage
    For those unfamiliar with the employer "benefit" of "Paid Time Off", it's a system where your "sick time" and "vacation time" are pushed together. So you get to make choices like "should I stay home with this fever/cold/bronchitis/stomach flu/kidney stone OR do I get to see my family at the holidays this year?" and "I already paid for that cruise, I'll just bring in four boxes of kleenex and power through". I get that PTO is an accountant's wet dream, combining all those liabilities into one column on the balance sheet. In reality, it becomes a fantastic way for everyone to bring their germs into the office and spread their sickness and being ineffective at work when they should be at home getting better, so they can see their family at the holidays. My employer says "if you are sick, stay home", and there's no number of "counted" sick time. Some years I've not taken a sick day, other years I've been out two weeks. It's not like kidney stones or bronchitis were the same as sipping a drink out of a coconut on a tropical beach, or that I planned it.
    • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:57AM (#54510297)

      Fortunately that's not the case (yet) around here. And the very LAST thing I need is a sick person coming to office and infecting the rest of the people here. I made it clear that if you're sick, you stay home and you better not even try to put a foot into the office before it's certain that you won't make the rest stay home for the next week.

      I can do with one person being sick. I can't handle 5 people staying home because someone thought that the world stops revolving if he doesn't "push through". If you're sick, stay the hell away from me and anyone else in the office! If you feel like going to an office, try that of a competitor! ;)

    • Glad that shit is illegal in Norway.

    • by Merk42 ( 1906718 )
      ...and yet, if it is separated out between vacation and sick you get this [slashdot.org]
  • by ScentCone ( 795499 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:41AM (#54510143)
    A lot of people aren't interested in simply sitting around the house, and don't have the disposable income to spend it on traditional airfare, hotels, extra tanks of gas, food out, and other "vacation"-ish activities. Yes, there are plenty of cheap (or free) things to do. But many typical 40-hour-a-week types already DO those things evenings and weekends all year long. Don't underestimate the "I can't afford a vacation anyway, and don't feel like sitting at home so I can have a really sucky following week catching up on my work" factor.
  • I was told by a former boss that "If a person could be gone for two weeks from their job then that person's position in the company is unnecessary."

    I was repeatedly denied vacation requests during my time there. It got to the point where I would just tell my boss to tell me what week would be best for them if I took a week off.

    I'm at a much better place now that don't hold these views but they are quite common here in America.

    I honestly think that given our history - a country founded by Puritans, an early

  • by aicrules ( 819392 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:42AM (#54510163)
    I consider myself extremely lucky to work for a company that lets vacation to continue to accrue no matter how much gets accrued. None gets lost to the annual purge like many companies. Still have to plan ahead to actually use it in significant amounts, but it's an option to keep it till you would even have a whole year of vacation built up. And bonus if I really want to I can "sell" it back to the company and get cash instead.
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  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:51AM (#54510241)

    Time you don't take off before you quit has to be paid out. Now, to make sure that your company CAN actually pay the time they "owe" you if you quit today and they go bankrupt the same day, your company has to stash money in government bonds to the tune of what they'd have to pay their workers if all of them went out the door today.

    Calculate about, say, 25 vacation days per worker, for a workforce of, say 10,000. Let's be conservative and say that a day/person is about 100 bucks.

    Can you see how companies can have a HUGE interest in their workers actually going on vacation, and doing it as early as possible?

    I MUST spend my vacation every year. They now even made it a bonus-valued goal, not to spend my vacation days and letting them roll over threatens my annual bonus. And since March I get weekly reminders from HR that I still have 10 unplanned days and that beautiful days are coming up, and whether I don't feel like taking some of the upcoming Fridays (with Thu being a holiday) off to enjoy a 4 days weekend.

    I kid you not.

  • by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @08:56AM (#54510281)

    >"Almost 60% of US workers who don't take their allotted vacation say they fear the amount of work they'll have to return to,"

    Yep, that is me. When I take off time to "rest and recover", I come back to an even more stressful mess. Not exactly restful. The only true time off I get is when others in the facility are also off at the same time... meaning holidays. Except most of the facility is still "open" 24/7/365 so even that is a shot-in-the-dark.

  • How many standard holidays does the US have VS the European countries being considered in this article?
  • by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve ( 949321 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @09:39AM (#54510613)
    I have worked for roughly a handful of different companies in my IT career and vacation benefits were all over the map. I worked for the federal government once and we got a ton of vacation time. I really liked that and used it, but I remember having two older co-workers who would basically never take a day off because they were truly convinced that the entire US government would collapse if they were gone. Maybe they took 2 days at most of vacation. We had a program where you could donate vacation to fellow employees who had catastrophic illnesses (ie. cancer) and would be out a lot and they used to donate tons of vacation days to that.

    I worked in the US office of a European company and we got European vacation benefits on a PTO system. I loved it and thought it was great. I'd still be working there just for the vacation time had the company not gotten rid of a lot of US employees in my city to save money.

    My current employer is a US based Fortune 500 company who treats us pretty well in general, but on the downside they have acted like every vacation day we take is stealing from their very soul. No PTO here. We don't get sick leave, but if you are sick for a day or two, you can just stay home and get paid - no vacation time used. If you're out for, I think, 4 days or more, you have to go on short term disability. We got a new, younger CEO a few years ago and he bumped up our vacation time a little bit and they stopped acting like taking vacation was almost like killing the company, but still it will never, ever equal what I was getting with the US government or the European company. They severely limit how much vacation time we can carry over (5 days) and pretty much force us to burn it up. If you really just refuse to take a vacation you can just throw your days in the trash I guess, but I've never heard of that. We get a lot of reminders to use vacation time and there is a policy in my organization that encourages you to use your vacation so you are better rested. I've never heard of anybody having anything negative happen to them because they used vacation time, which is good, but I still wish they were more generous with the amount we get. A lot of US companies are like mine, and they're just not all that generous with vacation time, but at least when we do use it there is no punishment for doing so.
  • by ErichTheRed ( 39327 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @10:15AM (#54510923)

    Personally, I don't use every single day of vacation because I'm never secure in my job. That's just the nature of the work we're in...if the MBAs ever get around to replacing us with someone cheaper, I'm out no matter how skilled and useful I am. We're only allowed to bank 5 days of vacation, but I tend to hang onto it because honestly that's an extra week of pay at a time where I might need it. The fact remains that the US is a very hostile environment to be unemployed in; unemployment insurance barely covers anything if you've had anything approaching a middle class job previously.

    I work for an employer that treats people pretty well on balance...it's very true that there are a lot of sweatshops out there and people continue to work there for many reasons. Web startups and small businesses would probably be at the low end of the spectrum -- most businesses I've worked with in the small to medium category already treat non-family employees as "the help" and are extremely stingy when it comes to pay, time off and benefits. Web startups are their own brand of crazy because everyone's hoping to win the IPO or buyout lottery. At the other extreme end of the spectrum, I know a lot of people who work for the state and can actually bank all of their sick and vacation time, to be paid out at the end of their service. Most people use this windfall to buy into insurance that will last them through their retirement...and along with their pension they are able to enjoy a worry-free retirement just like the old days.

    Most people I work with are older and fewer management "tricks" work on us. But, there are still plenty of younger domestic workers who haven't learned that employers will take anything they can from employees and fall into the trap of working crazy hours. I'm by no means a clock-watcher; my employer routinely gets tons of "free" work out of me, but I do this because they also offer me a lot of flexibility. Everyone's trade-offs are different; I trade off raw salary for better retirement benefits, a shorter commute and a better ratio of home to work time. Other workers might just want the money regardless of how bad the work environment is, or they may trade off even more salary for a more stable job working in something like government, or they absolutely have to work for the hottest Silicon Valley employer. I do think employers should staff accordingly so that people can actually take time off from work -- so many places I've seen will only hire one person skilled in some job function, effectively chaining them to their desks or slowing down everyone else when they do need to be off.

  • by jf_moreira ( 923817 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @11:44AM (#54511633)
    In some other country, our unions fought hard for us to have proper holidays. Now I take 2 (two) 15-days off, paid, during the year. We also have a 33% bonus added for spending during vacation. I take 15-day at every 6-month and come renewed for working even harder. Would never accept to work as a horse in US receiving carrots for that. My off-life is more important than work, always.

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