$782,000 Over Asking For a House in Sunnyvale (mercurynews.com) 266
An anonymous reader shares a report: A house in Sunnyvale just sold for close to $800,000 over its listing price. Your eyes do not deceive you: The four-bed, two-bath house -- less than 2,000 square feet -- listed for $1,688,000 and sold for $2,470,000. "I think it's the most anything has ever gone for over asking in Sunnyvale -- a record for Sunnyvale," said Dave Clark, the Keller Williams agent who represented the sellers in the deal. "We anticipated it would go for $2 million, or over $2 million. But we had no idea it would ever go for what it went for." This kind of over-bidding is known to happen farther north in cities including Palo Alto, Los Altos and Mountain View. But as those places have grown far too expensive for most buyers, future homeowners have migrated south to Sunnyvale, a once modest community that now finds itself among the Bay Area's real estate hot spots.
Your choice (Score:3)
For that overage you could get gig fiber run to your house almost anywhere.
Maybe it's because I grew up in the Midwest but I prefer it here. The nearest neighbor is 1/4 mile away. I have 30 acres to myself and friends. No commute. I've teleworked for two different companies in the last decade. Chicago is a short train ride away. Housing is cheap. Food is cheap. (Non GMO All Organic * straight from the Amish who have always done it that way.)
But if that's your thing, cool.
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I too find the draw of these cites to be unexplainable. NYC and Southern California, sound like purgatory to me.
I aspire to one day have a multi-acre plot of land to live as I wish. Not bothering anyone and without anyone bothering me.
For $2.4 million dollars, I could get well over 100 acres, build a house and live comfortably for a long time.
LK
Different tastes (Score:2)
That's not for me at all. I love leaving the city to go explore the great outdoors but for me nothing beats the day to day life experiencing the art / food / night life / people of a major urban area.
But we all have our own tastes. Me, I'd trade 100 acres out in the country for a nice place in NYC in a second
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Are you young and still dating? Your interest change dramatically when you settle down - "nightlife" and for the most part "food" cease to exist once you have young kids, and after a few years of young kids, and kind of peace and quiet becomes your highest ideal.
Then you retire and it's back to the dating scene etc, but not in the big city.
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the day to day life experiencing
How often do you actually do this? I had way too many friends that lived in the city for this reason but never did anything. "Going out" would be across town. By time you finished work you'd not want to trek across town to do something. "Food" meant paying an exorbitant markup for something you could likely make at home. ("Ethnic" foods are not that difficult to make).
The only 'day to day life experience' I remember from when I did live in the city was traffic, high parking prices and spending forever to ge
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L.A. has something for literally everyone. From nature to metro, it has it all.
New York sounds hellish to me too, but I grew up in the midwest, probably somewhat near you, and living in L.A. was one of the best decisions I ever made. It spanks the pants off any other place I've lived, hands down, and I'm a nature/outdoorsy type who loves the quiet and open space.
I originally read that as Sunnyvale... (Score:4, Funny)
...and thought, "Good job at filling that big hole and rebuilding." *thumbs up*
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Damn autocorrect! :PPPP (Sunnydale)
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It's built on a hellmouth, so real estate prices are pretty cheap.
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Good luck rebuilding on what's now giant crater. Shame about that, Buffy started jumping the shark in Season 4, but that used to be my favorite show.
Stupid, or hoping to make a killing? (Score:2)
Either the buyer's an idiot, with a) more money than sense, or b) thinks they'll be rich any minute now; or else they're fucking flippers, who'll redo the kitchen, slap some paint on, and try to resell it.
People actually want to buy homes to live in? What a silly idea.... (and people who think that way should die under a bridge with their belongings in a shopping cart).
You think I'm exaggerating? In '11, in NOVA, I was househunting, and found one that I *knew* had been sold the year before for just over $27
Re:Stupid, or hoping to make a killing? (Score:5, Informative)
As a Owner of a couple of duplexes, a serious DIYer, a tech nerd and live in Denver, I agree, flippers are prime A-holes. Shitty workmanship, it's all about lowest cost to acquire, lowest cost to improve and highest price to buy. When shopping for a house, i've inspected many "flipped" homes and the quality of work is nearly always sub-par. If you are an inexperienced home-buyer, and don't know what to look for, you'll be swayed by the "oooohhh Shiney/New" facter. Often, these "improvements" will fail after a few years.
YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO DETAILS!
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I recall reading an article a couple weeks ago that asserted that during the crash, it wasn't lower income owners whose rate of mortgage default increased, it was flippers. So yeah... fun with speculation.
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Everyone's rate of default increased, which was the problem. The mortgage derivative securities would have held up had it been just one demographic defaulting, but no one was thinking in terms of "systemic risk". It was the breadth of the mortgage quality problems that collapsed the whole house of cards.
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Here in Austin, flippers tend to be out of luck. A lot of houses are bought just for the land, then are promptly razed so a house that is as big as the property easements allow put in place, perhaps with separate "mother-in-law" places (which is legal here) so the homeowner can also get some juicy rent money as well.
Re:Stupid, or hoping to make a killing? (Score:5, Interesting)
When I was shopping for a home, I made a habit of inspecting the cabinet hinges in every room and bathroom. I don't care about a shiny new granite countertop. Cheap $0.50 hinges means corners were cut, and the place will likely fall apart. Nice Blum hinges on even the smallest cabinet? That's a winner. I am sure there are other things to look at too, but hinges worked for me pretty well as a 'tell'.
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Either the buyer's an idiot, with a) more money than sense, or b) thinks they'll be rich any minute now; or else they're fucking flippers, who'll redo the kitchen, slap some paint on, and try to resell it.
Most likely it's neither. Instead, it's just someone buying a home that's close to work, for the going rate. Sellers in Silicon Valley don't even bother trying to price their houses accurately, they just ask the minimum they need to get, and know that the price will be bid up substantially. Odds are good that the buyer can't even afford the mortgage and will have to rent out part of the home to make ends meet (this is extremely common in the area).
But, the buyer also knows that unless something changes, b
Re:Stupid, or hoping to make a killing? (Score:4, Interesting)
However, they can't actually afford a $6K per month mortgage payment
Then something is jacked up if they qualified for it.
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However, they can't actually afford a $6K per month mortgage payment
Then something is jacked up if they qualified for it.
Banks will always loan you more than you can actually afford.
Plus, you can always tell the bank you're planning to rent a room. That won't work if you're clearly in over your head, but if you're on the edge (per their very optimistic model), it will.
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If they are flippers and they are paying $800k over ask, then they aren't very good at flipping houses. That's a shitload of value they're going to have to make up on the cheap in order to make any money at it.
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Exactly. If Southern California is anything like Seattle or Vancouver, those ranchers being sold for hundreds of thousands of dollars over the asking price aren't being bought by people who intend to live in them, they're being bought by people who intend to build some form of multi-family dwellings; ie. condominiums, townhouses and the like.
In some cases it's also foreign buyers looking to park their money in what they view as a secure and stable market. The Chinese are big purchasers for this reason on th
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> If Southern California is anything like Seattle or Vancouver, those ranchers being sold for hundreds of thousands of dollars over the asking price aren't being bought by people who intend to live in them, they're being bought by people who intend to build some form of multi-family dwellings;
Incorrect at least in most cases in Vancouver. In Vancouver those ranchers are being bought by people who intend to hold onto them for a couple of years like a stock certificate and then sell them on to someone els
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You say that like there are people who care about their communities in those neighborhoods....
People either left already and sold their place to be used as an empty investment chip, or they're waiting to do so and the last thing they want is anyone devaluing what they're sitting on - which random arsons might do.
Or the rare third option is that takes place in Shaugnessy or one of the other tony neighborhoods with the houses in the 10s of millions instead of just millions. And if you started burning an empt
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There is that whole "instability of the real estate market causing a global economic crash" thing.
There was no instability of the real estate market that caused a global economic crash. You may be thinking of the whole "unsustainability in the mortgage loan market that caused a global economic crash" thing.
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The two were directly connected. Easily-obtained shady mortgages made demand explode, which then pushed house prices to unsustainable levels in many markets, which caused mortgage originators to lower their standards further to keep the cash flowing in a nasty cycle.
Not being able to afford you house payment when the house is worth more than you bought it for isn't a crisis, after all. It's only when house prices collapsed and everyone was underwater (and so left the banks holding the bag) that the mortga
Free property tax assessment upgrade for everyone! (Score:2)
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California laws (specifically a voter initiative in 1978) limits the increase of property taxes to 2% per year. So unless their neighbors have bought recently (that resets the taxes for current values), it will probably be a few decades before you could say it had an effect on them.
There are good bits, and a lot of bad bits to this law (starving local schools for funds being the largest of the latter).
The seller won the lottery (Score:2)
No, it's shitty government (Score:3)
No, the vast majority of the real problem is terrible city governments. Everything within 30 miles of google and apple headquarters should be 30+ stories tall. This is literally how cities like New York came to be, as land values went up so did the buildings. The problem in the valley, their city governments wont zone to let companies build large buildings so we now have rediculous housing prices, 4 families to a single family home just barely holding on, and massively poluting commutes.
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News for nerds? Really? (Score:5, Insightful)
This isn't news for nerds. I'm not even sure this is news for real estate agents.
Ooh a house sold for 40% over list price! So what. Ooh Silicon Valley is massively over-priced! Again, so what.
Re: News for nerds? Really? (Score:2)
I agree.. I have been here long enough to officially say... This is probably one of the most worthless posts I have ever seen..
Lots of nerds want to live in Silicon Valley (Score:2)
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This isn't news for nerds. I'm not even sure this is news for real estate agents.
Ooh a house sold for 40% over list price! So what. Ooh Silicon Valley is massively over-priced! Again, so what.
Well to be fair, I'm thinking it's safe to say that a good portion of /. community currently work, will work or are dreaming to work at the Silicon Valley.
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Oh, I'm not arguing that Silicon Valley couldn't be of interest to nerds. However, this article doesn't seem like news there. If the headline was "Head of household teacher pays off mortgage for 3 bedroom house only 20 minutes from downtown Sunnyvale without help." **THAT** would be news.
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Here, in my opinion, are some even lamer articles for comparison:
Zuckerberg Sues Hundreds of Hawaiians To Force Property Sales To Him [slashdot.org]
Zuckerberg Could Run Facebook While Serving in Government Forever [slashdot.org]
Android Users Are So Committed that Exploding Note 7 Did Little To Help Apple: NPD [slashdot.org]
Ah, I'm ashamed of how long I spent searching for it but I did finally
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Still, I'm not sure any of those merely convey things we already knew, except maybe the one about Zuckerberg in government which is merely something we may not have thought of before... A story about Ghostface Killah is completely off topic, but at least there was some novel information.
This story is not only nothing we don't already know it's just repeating the first thing we'd think about Silicon Valley + Home Market anyways. I'm not even sure $800,000 is a record, a house in Cuptertino sold for $600,00
class war (Score:4, Interesting)
They got theirs, and put into place all the rules and regulations about property taxes, development restrictions, crappy public transport, that allow them to keep their rents / payments low, and screw everyone else who equally wants to live and work in the area.
You hear all these old (yes, old) local residents complain about being "forced out" of their homes and neighborhoods, and sure they're sympathetic and it's fashionable to rail against "gentrification". But how about the thousands of young people/families/workers who can't find a place to live or rent at a reasonable price when they move here? Who's advocating for those people? I would argue they are more severely impacted in their lifetime earning and career potential by the cost of living here, and I side with them, not the rich (yes rich) people who've lived here for 30 years and are established.
I'm tired of the local-level complacency and Nimbyism, and the California regulatory and legal process that make it possible for so many young workers (who are what is going to keep us successful as a society) shut out of living affordably and reasonably in one of our most important economies.
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But why, though? (Score:2)
Bidding wars (Score:2)
I, for one, welcome these bidding wars. This kinda of madness has caused the value of my house, which was really screwed up when I bought it 20 years ago, to quadruple. Best investment I have ever made, it's gonna fund my retirement. Of course I'll have to leave town when I sell but I'm done with cities. Time to find a deep northern wood to disappear into and fuck the world.
Bellingham Going Up, But No Where Near This (Score:2)
Retired from Portland, Oregon (which itself is going crazy) to Bellingham, Washington. Since I was renting in Portland, I could not afford to retire there and besides, like the bay area, it's growing fast (both in terms of prices, rents, population, and traffic) I decided to try for Bellingham, Washington.
House I am in now (Columbia neighbourhood in Bellingham) I bought for $225000 in September, 2015. It's two bedroom 900 square feet with 400 square feet shop/garage on 7800 square foot lot on main
That's way too much for this house. (Score:5, Insightful)
But it's not necessarily too much for what the purchasers are really buying: time.
Just from an economic standpoint, it's not hard to justify if you value the time spent and earn what's typical for a senior engineer in the region. Suppose your time is worth $200/hour, and you save ten hours a week on your commute for 48 weeks out of the year. At a seven percent discount rate the net present value of time you'd save over the course of 20 years is over 1.1 million. Of course then you still have the house, which unless the regional economy collapses is going to be worth more.
But having had a job where I commuted over an hour each way for ten years, it's not just the value of your time. You get used to it, but it take a toll on your quality of life. Especially if you have kids. Being able to see your kids off in the morning, and have dinner with your family most nights (even if you have to back into work!), what price would you put on that?
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For less than 2 million you can RETIRE way early and spend all the time you want with kids.
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Assuming they paid cash for the house.
10 H1B will fit in there! (Score:2)
10 H1B will fit in there! and they will take 70K per year pay.
Toronto (Score:2)
That is essentially what is going on in Toronto where a house recently sold for more than a milliion over asking [globalnews.ca].
People all over the world are moving to where the jobs are and some of those places, for geological or political reasons, are restricted on how they can expand to meet the demand.
For businesses this really makes hiring new workers difficult -- they can't find anywhere to live if they are moving to the area.
Is it anywhere near Buffy's? (Score:2)
I mean sure, having a slayer in town is probably handy but living on a Hellmouth with the collateral damage of all the fighting, to say nothing of the significant chance of being a VICTIM of one of the 'events' that seem to constantly happen....well, I simply can't see paying that much for a house there.
This is why I'd never live there (Score:2)
I concede we're very near the top of the Second Dotcom Bubble, but this is pretty crazy. There has to come a point where technology companies, even the startups, don't see the benefits from being in Silicon Valley anymore.
I live near New York City, and people love to complain about how expensive it is here -- CA is a whole new level. You really do pay a premium to live near NYC...taxes are high and housing prices are way more than you would find in other parts of the country. Metro NY has similar issues tha
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New plan! (Score:2)
Can only afford half of the house? Magic internet money has a plan for you!
1. Buy into the massive BTC dip NOW
2. Wait for BTC to hit 8-9k
3. Cash out.
You're welcome!
How do that saying go? (Score:2)
A fool and his money................
Hellmouth (Score:2)
Vastly overpaid (Score:2)
"$782,000 Over Asking For a House in Sunnyvale"
Because it ain't that sunny in Vale.
I should find htis person and sell them a bridge (Score:2)
People just need to say, no.
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Except they insist that the rest of the US bend to their will in all things, without exception. There won't be any high density Syrian refugee build-outs appearing in this neighborhood, but the rest of the US is racist when it objects to the same.
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Money talks, and considering California is the sixth largest economy in the world, that's a very loud voice.
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There are 17 states with worse debt to GDP ratios than California, including Wisconsin,
Re:Whatever (Score:5, Insightful)
which means there are 32 states with better debt-to-GDP. California is in the bottom half, which lends statistical weight to the GP post.
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No. The debt-to-GDP ratio is about 8.9%. That's pretty damn good. And with the now-balanced budget, it should go even lower.
Yes, California is a high tax state, but you get a lot for your money. I just moved here and so far, it seems like a great bargain, especially after Texas (which is called a "low-tax" state, but has ridiculous property taxes and fees to make up fo
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California has the most abused disability system in the continental US and still owes the federal unemployment trust fund a metric buttload of money they haven't paid back, resulting in employers paying way higher federal unemployment tax for their operations in that state - the only state still with a deficit. The lack of accountability in CA with government spending is absolutely staggering and it drives up costs for employers and employees alike.
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Re:Whatever (Score:5, Insightful)
Hmm? Been having budget surpluses the last few years.
That is actually part of the problem. California's taxes are highly progressive and mostly based on income tax. Wealthy people tend to have highly variable incomes. So when times are good, California's budget racks up huge surpluses, and politicians being politicians, they tend to squander the surpluses on vote-winning boondoggles. Then a few years later, a recession comes along and the economic pendulum swings the other way. The revenues dry up, and we are locked into spending that we can no longer afford.
This is also why the "boom and bust" cycle is stronger in California than in many other states. Because of the volatile nature of government tax receipts, the government tends to overspend in good times, heating up an already frothy economy, while yanking spending at the very time some stimulus is needed.
The answer, of course, is long term planning and fiscal restraint, but you don't win elections by being a naggy sourpuss.
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The guy buying into the housing bubble will lose his shirt, or flip it to a bigger sucker. It's like 2008 never happened around here.
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Also, fueling a growing economy with debt/credit is not sustainable.
Depends on how long you expect it to be sustainable. Sure it may not be sustainable for centuries, but it could be sustainable for decades. And if the economy grew faster than the total debt, they will be in a much better place. I was a drain on my parents' and eventually my own finances for about three decades, but I built up enough human capital to grow a very significant net worth. It can work the same way for governments and companies as well.
Re:Whatever (Score:5, Informative)
Money? What money? Last time I checked, California was riddled with a fucking obscene amount of debt.
California is not in debt. It is hard to pin down the actual net worth of California as a whole, but if its share of the total US net worth is proportionate with its share of the total US GDP, then California's net worth would be just over $10 trillion after subtracting state and local debt. There are probably only 5 countries other than the US with total wealth greater than the state of California (Italy is close, so maybe 6 countries).
California's government may be in debt, but that is only one small part of the state's entire balance sheet.
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The state of California has taken more Syrian refugees than another state (source: http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.c... [cbslocal.com]).
The bay area itself has taken a number of refugees (source: http://www.mercurynews.com/201... [mercurynews.com]), although the exact number is unlikely to ever be
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Cost of living in the Bay Area is high, but so are salaries. If you are willing to scrimp and sleep several to a room you can come out way ahead. Syrian refugees tend to be educated, and they are mostly doing pretty well economically.
A big part of assimilating refugees is cultural fit. The Bay Area is very ethnically diverse, and has a relatively high muslim population. There are several muslim families in my neighborhood in San Jose (Palestinian, Pakistani, Punjabi). So Syrians should fit right in.
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Rated 0: Troll??
Geez...have a sense of humor, won't ya?
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Certain areas of California are basically a different country with a different currency. if people want to live there and be slaves to their homes, have fun with that. For those lucky enough to have lived there when prices were affordable and are now selling, congrats.
If you can live there, get a wage high enough to pay for your insane cost of living, you've got it made when later you sell your hose. That $2million house (today's money) will cost you $150thousand (today's money) in many parts of the country.
That's $1,850 thousand you get to spend on your retirement and still keep a house the same size (more if you downsize) if you retire to somewhere more reasonably priced.
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... that is of course assuming California real estate doesn't crash before you retire. If telecommuting ever becomes main stream where people don't have to live in city they work - real estate in California will plunge (again mainstream, I know some of you already do that).
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If telecommuting does become popular, Chinese, Indian, and Pakistani investors will step in and pick up the slack. US real estate is definitely a safe bet. It isn't going anywhere, and there won't be any cat 5 hurricanes hitting California anytime soon.
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And they like totally never have earthquakes or fires either.
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there won't be any cat 5 hurricanes hitting California anytime soon.
No, but there are long term water shortages as the water table drops ever lower... and of course major earthquakes.
I'm sure California is a very pleasant place to live, but with housing costs 10 times as high as other parts of the country, if you could live in a small house in Cali, or a large house and have a lot more left over play money elsewhere and telecommute... lots of people would telecommute and those home values wouldn't be a "safe bet".
I'm not saying there will be a bubble burst that strikes Cal
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With the way things are, I wouldn't see telecommuting happening anytime soon. Of course, it would make sense, but it is a Prisoner's Delimma type of thing. If everyone telecommutes but you, you have more physical face time with the bigwigs, so you will likely be better off when it comes to promotions and raises as opposed to people who are just pixels on a Skype session.
California also has amenities, be it clean beaches with no jellyfish, and a lot of stuff to do within a reasonable driving distance, with
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It isn't going anywhere, and there won't be any cat 5 hurricanes hitting California anytime soon.
You seem awfully certain. Only Tropical Storm Lida has hit California of the 2017 Pacific weather events classified by the National Hurricane Center as part of the 2017 PAcific hurricane season, but historically there have been several that have wandered over California.
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Agreed. I'm living in metro Atlanta now, and after being in LA for years I'll just say that I would move back in a heartbeat.
LA is absolutely awesome. There is always something fun and wonderful to do, something new and exciting, whatever you can think of they've got it. It makes other U.S. cities (barring New York) look like kids who need to get their act together.
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I have a coworker that bought a home at the height of the credit squeeze in 2008 in San Bruno for $430,000 which is still a ridiculous price. He says a house down the street from his that is very comparable just sold for $1.2M - needless to say, he's looking to GTFO of the Bay Area now and do exactly what you suggest - move to somewhere that is still desirable but without the out of control cost of living and take the profits.
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for some of us, we're the wrong colour to live anywhere else in the country.
I would not want to find a cross burning on my front lawn one morning.
I would hope that for 2.47M the HOA provides 24/7 security guards to keep out the riffraff.
Re:Whatever (Score:5, Informative)
Certain areas of California are basically a different country with a different currency. if people want to live there and be slaves to their homes, have fun with that. For those lucky enough to have lived there when prices were affordable and are now selling, congrats.
Like happened in California, The real estate price run up is happening in Dallas right now. My house has nearly doubled in price since I purchased it 15 years ago, with 75% of that run up being in the past 5 years. Houses are selling so quickly that many buyers are resorting to making offers sight unseen and bidding wars are breaking out. Builders cannot turn out new homes fast enough.
Why? Because a load of companies have decided that North Texas is where they want to be. Toyota, State Farm, and Liberty Mutual (to name a few) have been moving large portions of their employees to the area.
I hope this trend continues until I'm ready to retire in about 10 years. By then, I'll be dumping the house and heading to the cheap country and living on the proceeds....
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Doubled in 15 years is about 4.5% interest rate. Meanwhile you're paying about 2.5% property tax in North Dallas and then you're paying homeowner's insurance. So while you're definitely doing better than the average homeowner, you're not going to retire off your house anytime soon. Owning a home is better than renting one most of the time, but people here in Dallas often overstate the economic advantage of home ownership.
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Fargo? 2-1/2 months of 90+ degree summer and 7 months of snow.... there's a reason it's cheap.
I moved from South Dakota to Seattle 4 years ago. I sold a house for $130 and bought one for $400K.... that $130 house is now worth $160, but my $400K Wa house is now worth $600K..... and yes, I'm guessing it will be in the million dollar range in 10 years, so I'm looking at a cash out too - but you gotta live somewhere and back to the midwest isn't all f
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There's places in the Midwest that aren't horrible. They aren't all Cleveland and Detroit.
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Where exactly will "the cheap country" be in 10 years?
Who knows? Who cares? Once I'm done with this working stiff routine, will it matter where I move to?
My guess is that in 10 years I'll have grandkids and my wife will want to live within driving distance of as many of them as she can. If we want to live around here, all we need to do is drive an hour or two away from town, buy a lot and build a small house. Then if the kids and the grand kids are too far away, we can buy one of those huge pusher RV's with the remainder of the money from the house and t
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The most important for people living there are:
1. living somewhere where changing jobs in the same field doesn't require relocation across states.
2. good schools
3. low crime
4. a short commute
Sunnyvale is away from the street gangs of San Jose, same with places like Milpitas.
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rent for 3br houses tend to be around $4k/mo in the apple neighborhood. I know, I'm looking for a house rental and its depressing how much costs have gone up ;(
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...only for very large values of "little".
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Phil Collins: Whatya lookin at mi gutfer?
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Forbidden doesn't mean it isn't done...