Recordings of the Sounds Heard In the Cuban US Embassy Attacks Released (apnews.com) 300
New submitter chrissfoot shares a report from The Associated Press: The Associated Press has obtained a recording of what some U.S. Embassy workers heard in Havana in a series of unnerving incidents later deemed to be deliberate attacks. The recording, released Thursday by the AP, is the first disseminated publicly of the many taken in Cuba of mysterious sounds that led investigators initially to suspect a sonic weapon. The recordings themselves are not believed to be dangerous to those who listen. Sound experts and physicians say they know of no sound that can cause physical damage when played for short durations at normal levels through standard equipment like a cellphone or computer. What device produced the original sound remains unknown. Americans affected in Havana reported the sounds hit them at extreme volumes. You can listen to the "Dangerous Sound" here via YouTube.
The recordings themselves... (Score:4, Funny)
>The recordings themselves are not believed to be dangerous
So we can rule out Kanye West...?
Supposed experts... (Score:2, Funny)
Sound experts and physicians say they know of no sound that can cause physical damage when played for short durations at normal levels through standard equipment like a cellphone or computer.
Obviously these people have never heard Trump speak. I actually envy them
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Emotional damage generally has to be pretty severe to cause physical damage. A good analogy is a computer virus - it can wreak all sorts of havoc on the software and data of your PC, but it's very rare that it can cause any physical damage.
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Why would you replace the hard drive over a corrupted MBR? Just repartition the drive and create a nice fresh MBR instead - can't tell you how many times I've done that over the years. Data is corrupted, but the physcial hardware is fine.
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Seriously, watching how your overgrown 12-year old for a president behaves in Office is funnier antics than the best comedy channel stuff I've ever watched.
The Japanese & South Koreans must not get the joke.
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They said "physical damage"... emotional damage isn't really considered physical.
http://www.nationalreview.com/... [nationalreview.com]
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Words do not cause stress. You create stress in your mind. Just because you create stress internally and attribute to some external influences does not change the truth about where it originates.
Just remember, when you experience stress or distress it is because you are insufficiently processing the external world due to internal issues.
You are, in essence, malfunctioning internally when you experience negative stress. That you point towards the external stimulus, like words, indicates that you are sever
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Sound experts and physicians say they know of no sound that can cause physical damage when played for short durations at normal levels through standard equipment like a cellphone or computer.
Obviously these people have never heard Trump speak. I actually envy them
Self harm is evidence of a mental disorder... You might want to get that physical damage checked out.
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The youtube sounds to see if they're legit?
I've got the order for 20 or so outdoor speakers pointed at my neighbors house waiting on amazon...
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> The actual frequencies used were likely above and perhaps even below what regular audio recording would pick up
I'd bet on ultrasound. A nice way to deliver damaging energy to a human ear without that ear detecting it.
At 120db it causes hearing damage.
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Re:Has anybody analyzed (Score:5, Funny)
I've analyzed the sounds. If you adjust the equalization carefully, clean up the noise, and adjust the playback speed you can make out that it's actually a message spoken in German:
Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!
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I hope you had multiple translators, each working on only one word...
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That is the 'Killer Joke' from Monty Python. It is just random German gibberish.
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I know. That's why I hoped you had each one working on only one word. I understand that you might go the hospital if you accidentally see two of them together.
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That is the 'Killer Joke' from Monty Python. It is just random German gibberish.
Of course. If they had used the actual joke they would have caused the deaths of tens, if not hundreds, of Monty Python fans, and probably would have been sued. They had to replace it with a non-functional variant to protect us.
How you know it's not the Cuban ruling class (Score:2, Interesting)
This is egg on their face. It means that they cannot guarantee diplomatic safety in their own capitol, and if it's their own people doing it behind their back it means they cannot control their own intelligence services. Those are the sort of things that make a dictator get cold sweats at 2AM. It's a major crack in the facade of their power.
Let's say that it turns out to be "The Russians" and we catch them in the act. The obvious solution for the Cubans is to let us take the foreign operatives back to the U
My dog took notice (Score:2, Interesting)
I played all 5 seconds of the YouTube link at very low volume and my dog jumped up from where he was lying down and began looking around the room with a "what the fuck was that" attitude.
Better recording here (Score:4, Funny)
The actual sound is very creepy, but its slightly under volume. You may need to adjust your speaker volume. At 3min the tones begin to oscillate a little causing a slightly dizziness. Be careful. https://youtu.be/cyMHZVT91Dw?t=3m5s [youtu.be]
Sound at Youtube? (Score:2)
Sorry, but I couldn't hear a thing despite turning my speakers up.
Unintentional. This noise is from jury-rigging. (Score:2)
See, we all think those commies are soo much smarter than we are, they have devised a sonic "weapon" that even our best experts can't explain.
Here, let me try.
This is the sound of jury-rigging. If you've got not parts, and no money, and no normal source for repairs, you just put stuff together as best you can. This particular noise is the sound of a fan scraping a trash-can lid that washed up on shore 20 years ago. /sarc
Allow the Cubans a little craftiness, please . . . (Score:2)
Location, Location, Location. (Score:2)
The thing that surprised me most about this whole affair was that no-one seems to have modified a gunfire location system [wikipedia.org] to see where these sounds originated.
I understand that ensuring the safety of your diplomatic staff is of primary concern but, given the US's traditional response to threats, I'd have expected a 'squad' of marines or a pair of men in dark glasses knocking on the door of room 623 in the overlooking office block* within a week of 'hearing' the sounds.
*An example. Not the actual location of
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The score (from http://www.politifact.com/trut... [politifact.com]) as of 2015...counts deaths of Americans in America:
24: number of Americans killed by terrorism in the last decade
208,024: number of Americans killed by guns in the last decade
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Not to rain on your narrative, but the vast majority of deaths from guns are suicides (60.5%), not mass murders or single homicides. During the ten years from 2003 to 2012, the most recent year for which data are available, 313,045 persons died from firearm-related injuries in the United States. In 2012, 64% of gun deaths were suicides. Over the past 30 years, suicide has exceeded homicide even when firearm homicide rates were at their highest, and it was also the case for most of the twentieth century.
http
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Number of Americans killed by automobiles in the last decade (as of 2016): 350,408. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year [wikipedia.org]
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Obviously we need to loosen the definition of terrorism.
Pretty sure it's already looser than a 60-year-old whore.
Re:Is it time to round up the muslims? (Score:4, Informative)
Yep. For starters, we need to make it apply to white people too. Then that number would jump dramatically. Still be dwarfed by other gun deaths, but as I recall most of those are suicides, followed by accidents, followed by intentional murders over personal causes, none of which should qualify,
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Reading comprehension fail.
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An attack carried out by a white guy with no ties to Islam or ISIS who spent years gambling and drinking and doing all sorts of not-even-remotely-muslim shit before snapping and murdering a bunch of people.
You Trump-sucking retards need to give up trying to tie Las Vegas to ISIS and accept that white men commit mass murder in the US far more often than any terrorist organization ever will.
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A significant portion of the other half are police shootings, which leaves very few "innocent" gun related deaths.
... If you believe that the police only shoot guilty people. I'm not at all convinced of that, or even that most cases of a police officer drawing and using a firearm are justified given the circumstances. IIRC, police officers don't even make the top 10 of most dangerous professions in the USA, so their trigger happy attitude isn't really justified. Unless of course their job is relatively safe because they tend to shoot first.
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I think the GGP's numbers are way off in terms of shooting deaths; GP's link indicates 11,000-11,100 firearm related homicides per year, 19,300-19,800 firearm related suicides per year. (Interestingly, or not, roughly 5,000 "other" homicides per year.) Police shootings account for less than 500 deaths per year based on the best available information-- CDC data shows 258 in 2011 and 412 in 2010; Washington Post tracks 400 per year in the last few years.
Another interesting tidbit-- if you look at total deat
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Except when it doesn't right? Keep in mind that you can "fix" crime statistics into different categories if you change the race of the offender. Something that's very popular in Chicago and Philly right now.
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They sorted this problem out in East Menlo Park by asking the local research groups (NASA?) if they could do anything. They came up with a "gunshot detector" which triangulated or quadratulated the location of the shot and the type of weapon. Everything from someone clapping their hands, a car backfiring or a real gunshot could be identified.
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Speaking of which, we're seeing exactly that same type of problem with gun violence in black neighborhoods here in Canada. But we don't see the same level of problem in say poor chinese, indian, or vietmanese neighborhoods.
Given that Canada doesn't track racial statistics as they relate to crime very well (or at all in many cases), I'm going to have to see a citation for that.
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Canada does, it's just suppressed by organizations because of political correctness.
So if the data is suppressed (and your article confirms it is not collected at all in some jurisdictions), how do you know there is a trend of gun violence specifically in poor black neighbourhoods, but not in other racial categories? Personally I think Canada likely has similar, if less inflamed, issues as the US in terms of racial disparity and over-representation in criminal statistics simply because CA/US cultures aren't that far apart. However I find claims of specific trends lack credibility without a
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Deaths from suicide are usually included in that figure because people who attempt suicide using guns are much more often successful than those who use other means (like sleeping pills). So easy access to guns results in more deaths from suicide.
It's a shit way to make it look like guns are an actual cause of death. Suicide is suicide, it doesn't matter how it happens. It would be like blaming gravity for people who jump off a bridge/building. But look at the stats for how that breaks down under sex. It's mainly men who will use guns, or really any method to commit suicide via any violent/excessive method because they want a method that's successful. It's also one of the reasons why male suicide makes 70-80% of all figures, they're choosing a
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It would be like blaming gravity for people who jump off a bridge/building.
More like blaming a lack of guard rails. The point is not that having easy access to guns makes suicide possible, yes of course if someone is really determined they can always find a way to kill themselves, the point is that having lots of guns lying around makes suicide quick and easy.
The difference between someone who is dead and someone who had a brief but intense episode of depression is sometimes a matter of convenience - how easy is it for them to kill themselves in that moment?
Re: Is it time to round up the muslims? (Score:2)
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Why would I go into the lion's den, asshole?
Why wouldn't you? They're such great people, no reason to fear them, why wouldn't you go there? What's stopping you?
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Was it the "brown note"?
Re:low frequency and/or high frequency sound? (Score:4, Interesting)
Worked in broadcasting for a lot of years. I knew an engineer who had troubles with his next door neighbors in an apartment building. So, brought home an amplifier, tone generator and a couple of JBL's and set them against the wall, adjoining the neighbors bedroom. Not sure of the freq, 10hz or lower, and cranked it up when he wasn't home. If you put your hands on the wall, you could feel it, but not hear it. I think the neighbors moved out within a few months.
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I seem to recall hearing that prolonged exposure to such ery low-frequency tones at high volume can cause cardiovascular problems - which makes that completely irresponsible and borderline criminal.
On the other hand I've got a friend who had issues with noisy neighbors - his solution was to really crank up his speakers and play an FPS whenever they got noisy. Got them trained to be more considerate pretty quickly.
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I seem to recall hearing that prolonged exposure to such ery low-frequency tones at high volume can cause cardiovascular problems - which makes that completely irresponsible and borderline criminal.
On the other hand I've got a friend who had issues with noisy neighbors - his solution was to really crank up his speakers and play an FPS whenever they got noisy. Got them trained to be more considerate pretty quickly.
irresponsible and borderline criminal is pretty much how I remember said engineer
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Or, you know, maybe that wasn't a cicada but tinnitus.
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Yeah the whole "Accoustic weapon" thing seems a bit too sci-fi for my liking. Like, what would be the point? The Cubans are *super keen* to not piss off the Americans right now, other than a few nationalistic grumbles, because post-fidel cuba knows thats how it gets out of its rut, but normalizing trade with its wealthy neighbor.
So I dont see a motive. And the weapon, excuse my skepticism but if its *high* pitches we're talking about thats even fishier,due to the higher difficulties of propagating high pit
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Hackaday had an article that it could be a directed microwave weapon, and the audio is a hallucination.
Seems more likely than the audio being the cause of memory loss, brain damage, etc...
The motive is hard to imagine.
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Who says it was Cubans doing it? Maybe Russian spies? Or a conflicted Cuban Government with some departments or factions wanting no deal
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Good summary. Including the part about the Cubans be super motivated not to piss off the US.
In fact I think that is the general pattern. The designated enemies of the US can deem it necessary to display sabre rattling of an essentially defensive nature, but they by and large try hard to keep the door open for improvements in the relations.
There's also the possibility that the US already knows the explaination of the sounds but is embarassed about it so keeps quiet.
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Clearly, any weapon this mysterious is backed by a resolved, national consensus. That much we know.
We also know that incompetence bests malice in the post season every damn time. So my guess is that they were targetting Canadians, but got a few passports mixed up, and ended up angering t
Re:It was harmful... (Score:5, Insightful)
*grin* subtle, at least initially.
I'm more inclined to believe that it's another state-actor or else a very, very large criminal enterprise, something on the international scale.
If a state-actor they want to limit the US and the West generally from bringing Cuba into the fold.
If it's a large criminal enterprise, it would be because they are using Cuba for some part of their operation that would be identified and shut down if the US were more heavily involved in Cuba.
Re:It was harmful... (Score:5, Insightful)
*grin* subtle, at least initially.
I'm more inclined to believe that it's another state-actor or else a very, very large criminal enterprise, something on the international scale.
If a state-actor they want to limit the US and the West generally from bringing Cuba into the fold.
I agree with you. And a smarter administration would be asking the following questions instead of just assuming "evil Cubans did this 'cause they're commies!"
Is there a nation that thrives on chaos and disorder in the world, particularly when it is the cause of such chaos and disorder?
Is there a nation that regards human life so little that it sent agents on a public airline with a radioactive element to kill a dissident and gave no concern to the impact the radioactivity would have on its own agents or the unknowing passengers?
Is there a nation that would benefit from Cuban-USA relations deteriorating?
The answer to all of the above is Russia.
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There is one question you are missing, before you can reasonably blame Russia, or anyone else for that matter:
Does any known technology exist that could have actually caused this to occur?
Hey, I'll admit that it's certainly *possible* that it could some unknown technology, but to the best of my knowledge, nobody has been able come up with any kind of theories about how that a weapon with that kind of technology would even work in the real world.
Re:It was harmful... (Score:4, Insightful)
Sonic weaponry is not new and far from unknown... causing damage isn't even that hard. The question is whether they've perfected making specific targeted changes to a person with this tech.
For example: I could turn anyone into a mindless pile right now using little more than the pencil on my desk, BUT if I wanted to, instead, slightly change your behavior I'd need a *really fancy pencil ;)
The sound in the video is fairly similar to a mixture of a tornado siren and some cicadas but the length of the sample is too short.. would be interesting to do some waveform analysis on how the fluctuations change over a much longer period of time. The brain has a way of filtering out a fairly constant "annoying" sound so the fluctuations you can hear in the short segment probably have a fairly calculated variation pattern to continually force the brain's pattern matcher out of sync (while maybe at the same time gaming the matcher to change behavior with parts of the signal that don't change..)
Hacking the brain is fun! :-D
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We know magic doesn't exist, but sufficiently developed tech seems like magic. We know these incidents targeted only western diplomats in Cuba. So, it was created by people to harm other people. That is... a weapon.
Who could develop such a high tech weapon? Cubans or Russians?
Re:It was harmful... (Score:5, Insightful)
There could never be any plausible malicious intent by people in Cuba against U.S. Embassy personnel. There's just no precedent and no motive.
The Cuban people were NOT indoctrinated for years to view U.S. Government entities as their enemy. There is NO possibility that rogue elements within Cuban society might be doing this 'For Fidel' out of ideological zeal.
Nope. None of that should even be considered.
I'm pretty sure they US public has been more thoroughly indoctrinated to view Cuba as the spawn of Satan by the US media than the Cuban government could ever hope to indoctrinate the Cuban people to view the US as a mere 'enemy'. I attribute this largely to the fact that the average Cuban is better educated and generally better informed than the average American.
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There could never be any plausible malicious intent by people in Cuba against U.S. Embassy personnel. There's just no precedent and no motive.
The Cuban people were NOT indoctrinated for years to view U.S. Government entities as their enemy. There is NO possibility that rogue elements within Cuban society might be doing this 'For Fidel' out of ideological zeal.
Nope. None of that should even be considered.
I'm pretty sure they US public has been more thoroughly indoctrinated to view Cuba as the spawn of Satan by the US media than the Cuban government could ever hope to indoctrinate the Cuban people to view the US as a mere 'enemy'. I attribute this largely to the fact that the average Cuban is better educated and generally better informed than the average American.
I really just wish that Americans would figure out how to associate government actions with the government, and not condemn the country or people in it for the actions of their government. Your statement that the American public views Cuba as evil is surprising to me, because I don't think that at all. That may happen for some countries, like North Korea where things are a bit more extreme. But Cuba? I don't see it.
And I sure as hell hope that people in the rest of the world don't judge all Americans based on what our government does and says.
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Your statement that the American public views Cuba as evil is surprising to me, because I don't think that at all.
Depends on who you hang out with. Wander around Florida, or anywhere else that the Cuban expat community has settled, and you'll find that to be pretty common.
Also, older people who formed their political opinions during the Cold War are more likely to think this too. The USSR really was Satan in the minds of the US for a long time, and Cuba was commonly seen as their proxy arm in the Caribbean.
Re: It was harmful... (Score:4, Interesting)
All we really know is there have been sonic attacks against both US and Canadian government employees.
That's jumping to conclusions.
My SWAG is that it's a CIA product that's to blame, like a high frequency vibrator attached to windows to thwart laser listening, and that with the panes used in Cuba, the unfortunate side effect is that it acts as a speaker element and causes the sound "attacks".
I.e. Hanlon's razor.
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They could figure that out relatively easily. Also, the effect would be limited to personnel in/near the embassy. Apparently, some attacks have occurred outside the embassy grounds.
Re: It was harmful... (Score:4, Interesting)
They could figure that out relatively easily. Also, the effect would be limited to personnel in/near the embassy. Apparently, some attacks have occurred outside the embassy grounds.
From what I can tell, only in places where the spooks might see reasons to install anti-surveillance equipment, like the domiciles of operatives.
And, again, it's alleged attacks. Without us having seen any actual evidence for it being attacks, you're begging the question.
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Or by the Russians?If the Cuban government didn't want them there they would simply ask them to leave. Cuba is one of Russia's few allies
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I play the Unfounded Paranoia game too:
Anyway: if the americans REALLY suspect a new weapon, they would not have closed the embassy, but replaced the personell with scientists to try and discover what was going on.
If America is developing the same kind of weapon, we would rather pull our people out instead of tipping our hand by deploying a countermeasure.
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Just because "blame the foreigners" is commonly used to distract from a country's own failings doesn't mean that foreign governments aren't, in fact, at fault for a good many things.
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Of course... but we don't even have a *conjecture* about what sort of technology could have even done this. Given that there is vastly more about the universe that we don't know than what we don't know about human accomplishments, it seems far more likely to me to be a natural phenomenon than the result of human intervention.
Either that... or aliens. Take your pick.
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Well it could always be interference noises between some of the electronics they've installed at the embassy.
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Lightning is a naturally occurring event too... that doesn't mean I want to get struck by it.
Please... nowhere have I suggested that this event, even if naturally caused, is harmless.
As for spreading FUD... well.. the facts are that nobody actually knows what caused it or how. That's not FUD, that's the plain and simple truth.
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I suppose a natural source could produce a noise like this
No, if a noise like this were observed by SETI, they'd suspect a reflected Earth signal, or go running to the newspapers.
Not much in nature generates regularly spaced frequency peaks, which is why we use them in communication... they are easy to pick apart from the background noise.
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The fingered waveform is suggestive of OFDM [wikipedia.org] which would make the objective most likely communication, not physiological harm. But, hardly a pattern normally seen in nature. Perhaps some sort of intentionally-non-RF data exfiltration technology that worked without anyone noticing until someone tried to run a different modulation scheme over it.
Oh also, mandatory advice on what to do if you here this sound [youtube.com].
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Right.... show me the weapon, or even come up with some kind of explanation for what kind of weapon it actually might have been, and I might be inclined to believe you.
Megahertz-capable high-power ultrasonic transducers are commonly used in underwater applications. If you want to create a dangerous super-audible signal it is trivial. And phasing can deal with directionality. This is all a quite trivial extension of existing technology.
If you doubt that you can focus ultrasonic signals, think about what is now a nearly ubiquitous application of that. If you can't think of one, ask any pregnant woman to "see the pictures". If you can't imagine ultrasound being able to cau
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Right.... explain how that would work, exactly.
Making an analogy to something that doesn't even exist in real life is not an explanation... it is conjecture.
You could suggest that assuming it is a natural phenomenon is conjecture as well, but there's a whole lot more about the laws of nature that we don't fully understand than there is what we don't know about the limits of human technological achievement so far, so assuming it was natural unless or until you can at least actually show what sort of tec
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Except of course for the fact that the tech you referred to couldn't cause this because if it could then they would know how the attack was done
Knowing one way of doing it is not proof that it was done that way. No, until they find the actual source they won't know how it was done, but they can guess. That's sure a lot more productive than repeated denials that it was being done based on ignorance of technology.
I bet that the people who are looking into this have theories, but they aren't giving you a daily briefing because you don't have a need to know. Nor do I. The difference between you and me appears to be that I can think of ways that curre
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I wasn't trying to troll at all... only refusing to blindly believe in a baseless claim that is driven more by paranoia than by any facts.
It's obvious that we don't really have any facts to come to a reasoned conclusion, but that's still no reason to come to the conclusion that somebody was attacking them
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It's not at all clear that "there is *FAR* more about the universe that we don't know than what we don't know". That *might* be true, but it's not really the way to bet unless you are counting all the small details.
OTOH, the small details can have a significant effect on how well the implementation works, so it's not really unfair to count them, it's just very different than the major rules. But if that's what you mean, you shouldn't mix them with things like Newton's law of universal gravitation. You sh
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Christ, you are a dullard. Seriously, you have no critical thinking skills whatsoever.
Look, the AC had a point. That this was just some sort of "natural phenomena" that we just haven't discovered yet which caused focused brain damage to diplomats strains credibility. It's not 100% impossible, but the odds are so much against that that the onus is on the natural phenomena crowd to prove it.
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Or, like the article actually says, nobody has been able to figure out how any existing technology could *actually* produce these specific kinds of results in the context in which they occurred.
That, and that alone, is my reason for doubting that it was a weapon... because in my observation, when it comes to things that you currently lack the ability to explain, it's usually much more reasonable to presume that there is a natural explanation behind to than to blindly ascribe some intelligence behind it,
Re:It is long past time (Score:4, Informative)
Marines never left. We still are using a large bay there.
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Just leave the Army and Air Force out of it.... We don't need another bay of pigs..
Oh, and by the way, we already are in Cuba... We've been there for a long, long time and are not leaving any time soon.
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Would a sonic weapon be protected under the 2nd or 1st amendment?
Yes.... And the 14th should you live in a state, not just a territory.
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Or ghosts are real and Castro is pi$$ed.
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If this is true, the parent post should not only be modded up, but even added into the summary.
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Yeah, but it's not really Cuba's fault that the USA keeps all their political prisoners there.
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You put a dozen focused emitters in various locations and point them at your target, syncing them up for constructive interference.