Firefox vs Chrome: Speed and Memory (laptopmag.com) 160
Mashable aleady reported Firefox Quantum performs better than Chrome on web applications (based on BrowserBench's JetStream tests), but that Chrome performed better on other benchmarks. Now Laptop Mag has run more tests, agreeing that Firefox performs beter on JetStream tests -- and on WebXPRT's six HTML5- and JavaScript-based workload tests.
Firefox Quantum was the winner here, with a score of 491 (from an average of five runs, with the highest and lowest results tossed out) to Chrome's 460 -- but that wasn't quite the whole story. Whereas Firefox performed noticeably better on the Organize Album and Explore DNA Sequencing workloads, Chrome proved more adept at Photo Enhancement and Local Notes, demonstrating that the two browsers have different strengths...
You might think that Octane 2.0, which started out as a Google Developers project, would favor Chrome -- and you'd be (slightly) right. This JavaScript benchmark runs 21 individual tests (over such functions as core language features, bit and math operations, strings and arrays, and more) and combines the results into a single score. Chrome's was 35,622 to Firefox's 35,148 -- a win, if only a minuscule one.
In a series RAM-usage tests, Chrome's average score showed it used "marginally" less memory, though the average can be misleading. "In two of our three tests, Firefox did finish leaner, but in no case did it live up to Mozilla's claim that Quantum consumes 'roughly 30 percent less RAM than Chrome,'" reports Laptop Mag.
Both browsers launched within 0.302 seconds, and the article concludes that "no matter which browser you choose, you're getting one that's decently fast and capable when both handle all of the content you're likely to encounter during your regular surfing sessions."
You might think that Octane 2.0, which started out as a Google Developers project, would favor Chrome -- and you'd be (slightly) right. This JavaScript benchmark runs 21 individual tests (over such functions as core language features, bit and math operations, strings and arrays, and more) and combines the results into a single score. Chrome's was 35,622 to Firefox's 35,148 -- a win, if only a minuscule one.
In a series RAM-usage tests, Chrome's average score showed it used "marginally" less memory, though the average can be misleading. "In two of our three tests, Firefox did finish leaner, but in no case did it live up to Mozilla's claim that Quantum consumes 'roughly 30 percent less RAM than Chrome,'" reports Laptop Mag.
Both browsers launched within 0.302 seconds, and the article concludes that "no matter which browser you choose, you're getting one that's decently fast and capable when both handle all of the content you're likely to encounter during your regular surfing sessions."
STOP TALKING ABOUT SPEED! (Score:1, Interesting)
WHO THE HELL CARES ABOUT SPEED?! It's not been about SPEED since... 2001? It's about all the KEYLOGGERS and SPYWARE and fucking BLOAT BULLSHIT that these assholes fill their shitty browsers with these days. They have ALL become useless. The latest Firefox is so bad that I finally went to try out Palemoon, but was so turned off by its bizarre, sketchy installer that I forgot about that again.
Sigh. There is not one browser that is usable these days.
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could have helped NoScript migrate
They did [hackademix.net]. All that's happened is that the new NoScript hasn't been delivered in time for Firefox 57. Here's the latest NoScript status [hackademix.net].
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And I absol
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here is a suspiciously large number of articles here talking about how great 57 is
Oh noes. It must be a conspiracy perpetrated by the shadowy Them who are out to get you.
I outed a Mozilla undercover employee shilling for them in the comments
You did no such thing. To repeat, I have no association with Mozilla whatsoever. Your fantasies are truly sad. You are a paranoid delusional and you need help.
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Let's review: This person, for a long time running, *only* posts in threads about Firefox 57. *Only* to argue against criticisms. The last time he posted was when I called him out, yet immediately after I do again, he just happens to be in yet another Firefox 57 thread. He doesn't dispute these facts, because he can't, comment history is public.
Is this just a fan thoroughly obsessed with 57 and only interested in po
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He didn't say that you have an association with Mozilla, but rather that you are shilling like a Mozillian.
I can confirm that. You are trolling for Mozilla [slashdot.org].
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He didn't say that you have an association with Mozilla,
He said exactly that. He called me a "Mozilla undercover employee", which is nonsense. It's lunatic drivel.
I can confirm that.
You confirm nothing. Run Firefox 57 and go to about:mozilla. This has long been an easter egg in Firefox.
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Please point us to the keyloggers and spyware in Firefox. I know Chrome is basically Google's creepy tentacle into our personal information, but why do you think Mozilla does the same thing, in stark opposition to their stated ideals and track record?
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The search settings page gives you full control of which search engines to have in the browser (Google isn't mandatory, surprise surprise) and whether to enable search suggestions or not.
Similarly, on a freshly setup browser, it explicitly asks you whether you want to send usage data and telemetry to Mozilla. Unless if course you simply skip it because you're impatient and you just want to complain on Slashdot.
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I just installed a completely fresh browser with an empty profile when FF57 came out, and all of what I wrote is true.
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Re: STOP TALKING ABOUT SPEED! (Score:5, Funny)
You donâ(TM)t need to tell us youâ(TM)re using Safari. Somehow, we know. ;)
Re: STOP TALKING ABOUT SPEED! (Score:4, Insightful)
It is like IE around 2000. It does stuff behind your back. So, we can see it but you can't unless you look at it from a perspective outside the walled garden.
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> So by your logic...
There is no logic. Just trolling. It's AC, and completely off-topic, even the title. Might have been dropped here by a bot, or at best a drive-by cut-n-paste. There's no conversation here, poster is likely long gone. Not worth your time.
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Re:More Mozilla spam (Score:5, Informative)
I have been trying 57 for a day. To be fair, it seems pretty decent so let's give those poor Mozilla devs a break!
It only choked on the pdf from this article where cpu went nuts until I was done reading and closed the tab. Then, everything went back to normal. Still, it made it look bad.
https://tech.slashdot.org/stor... [slashdot.org]
I had to learn to use uBlock and uMatrix to replace noscript and I am not sure I will go back to noscript now once they release a coming soon compatible version.
My other addons kept working or had a replacement version already available. ghostery, adblockplus, decentraleyes...
Overall, at first glance, I like it.
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I've been testing it out too. It's good, I'm just not sure if there is any reason to switch from Chromium.
Chromium seems to have a better security model, at least based on how much it gets hacked at pwn2own or in terms of CVEs/year. Firefox is a bit more flexible with the UI and has some privacy features built in that Chromium needs add-ons for.
What other compelling features does Firefox have to make me switch back?
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Welcome back, FF!
Re:More Mozilla spam (Score:5, Insightful)
It only choked on the pdf from this article where cpu went nuts
So the real problem is using a browser to render PDFs. We're using browsers to do half-assed duplicate work while proper tools for the job already exist.
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I'm afraid we're too late trying to turn back the clock. Videos on webpages are some of the worst kind of this problem, and they're been popular at least since Youtube started around 2005. At the time, I thought it was idiotic to watch videos on a tiny part of a webpage vs. full screen with a proper player, but I guess that's what people wanted. Or perhaps normal people are completely helpless with their own computers, so everything has to be ready-made for the browser. And the advertisers must love the fa
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Are you seriously telling me that Mozilla, despite getting many millions of dollars a year from Yahoo (and now Google again, I believe), couldn't find some way to update XUL to better support multiple processes while still maintaining at least some semblance of compatibility with existing extensions? I find that very difficult to believe!
Everything about Mozilla seems to amateurish to me. Firefox 57 was supposed to be a great release, yet every aspect of it has been bungled. The extension breakage has been
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XUL had full unfettered control of the browser... That's stupid.
Webextensions are less flexible but in the end will become more powerful just because they are more stable you can build more complex things with them With less work.. XUL was....the
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XUL had full unfettered control of the browser... That's stupid.
Not just browser, but the whole system. For example file system (adding, removing file, etc anywhere), etc.
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How are Rust and Servo failures? From my perspective, they've been hugely successful.
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Firefox 57 was supposed to be a revolutionary release, yet it's still slower than Chrome and the other major browsers
As Mozilla has been saying for a while now, the real speed increase will come once WebRender is enabled, most likely in FF58. You can already enable it now in about:config, and it does make a noticeable difference.
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Until an XUL compatibility layer is developed Firefox Quantum is useless, forcing some tiny minority of users to whine about it and use ESR or forks.
Fixed it for you.
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Noscript (Score:1, Insightful)
When will Noscript 10 be available for Firefox? Until that's released, Firefox is garbage. If developer builds allow legacy extensions to run , the Firefox developers were more than capable of doing so in official releases. Quite simply, the goal is to prevent users from running legacy extensions. In the process, security and functionality have been reduced for everyone.
Use Brave (Score:1, Informative)
Exactly.
Brave, on the other hand, has NoScript-like functionality built into the core software and works out of the box, along with ad/tracker blocking and fingerprint protection.
It makes sense, as Brave is led by Eich, who was helping lead Mozilla when it was actually good.
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I use Epic.
I think I'll find out how Brave compares.
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Meh. Brave "removes" ads... only to replace them with its own. No thanks.
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Within days, as promised by the sole developer. This is not Mozilla's fault, they've been warning us for two whole years that XUL compatibility was ending.
Until Noscript 10 is released, use uMatrix instead.
Edge (Score:5, Funny)
I wonder how these two compare with MS edge browser.
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You are irrelevant.
Your mommy is irrelevant.
it's useless without addons (Score:1, Insightful)
download statusbar, classic theme restorer, noscript. Without all the addons that made Firefox 3.0 great, speed is useless. Like a car without seats, or a bar without beer.
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Add "Replace Tabs" to that list.
JavaScript benchmarks (Score:1)
Fake News is extremely biased (Score:1)
Jeez I mean come on! They didn't want to test IE 6? The real reason is because there has not been a single browser made for the web since IE 6. Don't believe me? Well go to abovetopsecret or infowars forums and ask if the world is flat. Then you'll have your answer.
only fascist alt left and the unitary juche right believe in and use those other wannabe browsers. True AOL internet aficionados use internet explorer 6 and we explored every nook and cranny with IE6, and the more genius amongst us even staked cl
Don't care (Score:5, Insightful)
Tell us which one is faster to remove all the ads, shutting up all the audio and video, blocking facebook , pinterest and twitter buttons, preventing fingerprinting and trackers, blocking webRTC and all 30 external javascript links that each page seems to 'need' these days and ... then we can talk.
Re:Don't care (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, see, that's the problem.
Both browsers are fast until I install Adblock Origin, NoCoin, Stylish, Nooboss, Larry Filter, Disable HTML5 Autoplay, Silent Site Sound Blocker, HTTPS Everywhere, Referrer Control, Google Analytics Opt-out, WebRTC Leak Prevent, Empty New Tab, Google Analytics Parameter Stripper, Tracking Token Stripper and Animation Policy.
But then again, if people weren't cockbags I wouldn't need to lock my doors.
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What a load of useless crap.
You deserve a slow browser.
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Why don't you simply disable all of Google Analytics?
Re:Don't care (Score:5, Informative)
Try installing uBlock Origin. It will replace all of the following:
Adblock Origin
NoCoin
Google Analytics Opt-out
WebRTC Leak Prevent
Google Analytics Parameter Stripper
Tracking Token Stripper
Then try adding Disable WebGL. You should see better performance - for me at least Chromium is lighting fast.
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Both are equally fast at not loading something so who cares about your little metric.
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Just install uBlock and uMatrix, then you're good to go.
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You want this: https://www.eff.org/privacybad... [eff.org]
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Firefox Quantum Sucks (Score:1)
Firefox Quantum sucks at video playback, and eats battery like nobody's business.
It's also a memory hog, for me it uses over 1 GB for four tabs.
People keep quoting low memory numbers but seem to be missing the forked processes.
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You're lucky then. I was at 3.5 GB (!) with seven tabs in two Windows. An about 1 GB increase over the already insane 2.5 GB it would take with previous versions.
One of the reasons to not use Chrome, besides its issues of privacy and Microsoft-style monopoly building, is that it uses bizarre amounts of RAM.
And now Firefox chooses to "improve" by topping Chrome in precisely that aspect?
Yuck.
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Only when I go to sites full of Java Script like the Google search ram usage gets out of hand.
Firefox Quantum much slower (Score:2)
Re:Firefox Quantum much slower (Score:5, Informative)
I would never read the NYT, but everything, and I mean EVERYTHING and EVERYWHERE I have gone with Firefox 57 is noticeably faster than 56 or prior, under an older Linux machine. And that is with 2 addons. I have been very impressed.
Perhaps the Mac build has some issue on your machine? I don't know...
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You are just a troll. I guess you feel like you are doing something useful tolling as an Anonymous Coward, but really not. Perhaps if you grow up and post as a real person- or are you afraid that people will stalk you like seem you seem to be doing now?
But keep picking on point #3 of *6*. Had you been polite and a real person, then maybe I would have discussed it even further, but it is a waste of time.
https://slashdot.org/comments.... [slashdot.org]
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Any one remotely interested in security and especially privacy can in Firefox switch off the various transmissions, try that in Edge or Chrome...
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The performance sucks
You fundamentally broke something. User error. There's just no way around it. In every metric in every way across a massive install based by every tester the new Firefox is faster than the old.
You can start by Refreshing your profile: https://support.mozilla.org/en... [mozilla.org]
If that doesn't work export your bookmarks and password file and nuke your entire profile.
If that doesn't work then maybe set your computer on fire, pour salt on it and chant in some long lost language until the spirits of slowness vanish.
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Firefox Quantum? (Score:2)
So Firefox Quantum, what is next, Firefox Cherry? Firefox Dark? Firefox Quartz? Firefox Victory?
I will only upgrade if it gives my screen a cool blue glow... and I can mix in some Abraxo Cleaner and Turpentine for a big bang.
Real-world benchmarks (Score:5, Insightful)
Which of those benchmarks measures browser performance after leaving a couple dozen tabs open for three weeks? Huh?
Who cares (Score:1)
Again: Who cares.
Even if and when Firefox is slower, it still to be preferred. The obvious reason is that Chrome is the new Internet Explorer: Google's attempt at owning the internet.
That they learned from Microsoft's mistakes and as a result manage to play the abuse smoother does not make it less true.
People who use Chrome are either uninterested in matters of internet freedom, naive, or harmful.
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If MSIE had been cross-platform, adhered to standards, and had an open source rendering engine... then many fewer people would've had a problem with MSIE's dominance.
Firefox vs Chrome: dump'em both! (Score:1)
Opera has a very cool feature: highlight text and Opera displays Search and Copy boxes. This is a time saver if you copy/paste or search much.
Firefox only faster than Chrome in some benchmarks (Score:2)
Untrusted LaptopMag source (Score:2)
What is that LaptopMag.com source? Underneath the article I found scams in my language pointing to "interesting" articles "FROM THE WEB". It cointained even links to obvious cosmetics-selling scams posing as state-established Czech doctors' organization (Camera Medica Bohemica - "eská lékaská komora"). That is totally outlawed in my country!
Don't trust a source that takes money from scammers.
For me, this battle was over before it started. (Score:3)
I know it's pedantic and nerd-rage-y but I won't use Chrome because the lack of a menu bar is too distracting for me.
LK
FF 57 broken and forgotten now (Score:1)
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Hate to say it, yet I value "Tab Groups" more than what Quantum offers. So I am sticking w/ Firefox v56.
C'mon, you Firefox developers and contributors, PLEASE get those valuable plug-ins/extensions ported up!
Re:TL;DR: Firefox is better (Score:5, Interesting)
I think you better read the Firefox EULA...
Re: TL;DR: Firefox is better (Score:1)
The Firefox privacy policy suggests that they do, indeed, spy on you. Your browsing activity is potentially sent to Google and a number of other companies.
Re: TL;DR: Firefox is better (Score:1)
If they're enabled by default, and they unexpectedly (for most users, at least) send data to Google, then we should consider Firefox to be a form of malware. Being able to disable this spyware aspect of it doesn't excuse this negative behavior in any way.
Re: Dear boomers (Score:1)
Found the terrorist!