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House Panel Advances Bill on Key Surveillance Measure (axios.com) 70

The House Intelligence Committee approved a bill Friday along party lines that would reauthorize a central surveillance law, the Washington Post reports. From a report: It does change the law -- known as Section 702 -- but doesn't satisfy surveillance reform advocates, including in the tech industry. The law is used to authorize the surveillance of electronic communications by foreign nationals abroad, but advocates worry about the programs picking up communications involving Americans as well.
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House Panel Advances Bill on Key Surveillance Measure

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  • All this tells me is the definition, act and collection is now 'more legal' on paper. Some bill with words on it isn't going to make me put blinders on --- there just there to make the general population feel good at the end of the day that it isn't going on at the magnitude or level it is; it's still always happening at a level beyond what Snowdon exposed and then some and, unfortunately, it will continue.

    Can't really get all that upset, all of us that use any sort of free service online or any amount of

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      Four hops from any foreign nationals and that US citizens constitutional protections are not going to offer any protection from domestic collect it all.
      The domestic collection that was to stop after what the Church Committee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] told the US about got a free pass under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).
      Now its all about the color of law under the Section 702.
      Decades of color of law domestic collection given legal cover by using the word foreign over a few dec
  • Be more honest and get to the point, right in the title:
    All Data Recorded Indefinitely Act

  • I am continuing to push several of my CONgress critters to change some of our bills. In particular, I would like it to be that anything that is CLEAR TEXT, either saved on a system or sent over the net, is fair game for American intelligence. The reason is that it is similar to sending a postcard. It is also the fact that China and Russia also have easy access to this so should ours.
    Then anything that is ENCRYPTED means that there is an ACTIVE attempt to block others from seeing the data. As such, we then
    • I am pushing for USPO to offer up personal digital keys that are FULLY VETTED (i.e. like passport, pix and fingerprint) and they would then have a distributed network of the key-servers. And when it is trivial for somebody to obtain a single digital-key, then e-mail, blogs, etc will become not just secured, but will also be less spam, and BS that we see even in in /.

      Such a personal digital keys would inevitably translate into becoming a national id card with a chip to be stored therein. It would definitely be better than the antiquated system of using personal info to verify identity, which we know to be utterly compromised.

      It'll be a critical piece for the dystopian hell I'm sure we're headed towards, since congress has long since abandoned the interests of the public to the tender mercies of rapacious corporations. When you get banned for being a persona non grata,

      • u miss the point.
        U can obtain your digital key whereever you want. BUT, having the USPO offer up a VETTED digital key is perfect for doing our general communications, communications with businesses, and even blog sites that want to give higher points to somebody that is VETTED. For example, /. might say that if u have a vetted key, that you start off with 3. If you come in as an unvetted digital key, then you are a 1. If AC, well, -1 in my book.
        When it comes to e-mail, I would simply stop accepting any
        • No, I understand the point you're making about a vetting process. It seems to be like a certificate authority, but for personal identification rather than facilitating ssl encryption. I like the idea, as we need a reliable method of identification that isn't based on biometrics.

          I'm just reminded how at one time it was actually promised that social security numbers would never be used for identification purposes, and well, we know how that turned out. So such a system would start out voluntary and optiona

    • by Agripa ( 139780 )

      I am continuing to push several of my CONgress critters to change some of our bills. In particular, I would like it to be that anything that is CLEAR TEXT, either saved on a system or sent over the net, is fair game for American intelligence. The reason is that it is similar to sending a postcard. It is also the fact that China and Russia also have easy access to this so should ours.

      I would also include mass surveillance for law enforcement purposes but see below

      Then anything that is ENCRYPTED means that there is an ACTIVE attempt to block others from seeing the data. As such, we then require a warrant for our intel world to see the data (basically decrypt it).

      The problem with this is that under law and jurisprudence, encryption does *not* provide any expectation of privacy.

      https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/p... [ssrn.com]

      Allowing a warrant to force encryption will become no different than no encryption. That is how the FISA court works now limited only by technical measures.

      If we pass this, it will no doubt anger a number of ppl here because it gave America's intel world the same carte blanche that the rest of the world have. This will no doubt cause MS, Google, Yahoo, etc to push through encryption on nearly everything.

      That is basically my thought as well. I add that law enforcement might as well do it also because they are going to do it an

      • keep in mind that USPO (US Post Office is NOT a branch of the gov. Technically, it is its own business.
        Now, with that said, the idea behind using USPO is for the vetting. They can generate PPK, OR, I should be able to give them the public key that I generated at home, and we still have a VETTED PK.

        But, there are plenty of applications where a vetted PK is ideal. Not only encryption of email, but also blogging, elections, etc.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Remember this could have been stopped this with allowing someone other than the Shillary Clinton (lock her up) to run. Instead they BROKE the law and COLLUDED against the socialist Bernie Sanders to undermine his popalarity. Remember democrat party also brought to power Mike Flynn who has now been charged with lying to FBI. Shillary Clinton is the next dominow to fall in that crazy conspirasy theory. I am American and even I can see that Democrat party is to blame. This is why I donate regular to Trum

    • hey, good job comrade.
      Your servant trump will thank you.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      This is why I donate regular to Trump 2020 and NRA. Protect our American freedom, always vote the Republican side and end sanctions against mother Russia.

      Oops, I think you've revealed yourself there. Nice try comrade, but next time, try harder to keep the nationalistic furors separate.

  • Soon, Circle accounts will be mandatory.

  • Seems the U.S. funded intel agencies are gonna do whatever the fuck they want to anyway. This bill, whether repealed or sustained, is moot in reality.

    We need to bring the morals of these agencies into check if we want real change. Hopefully Snowden, Klein & others have done this to an extent. It sucks that these types of acts are what makes the most difference.

    • by Agripa ( 139780 )

      We need to bring the morals of these agencies into check if we want real change. Hopefully Snowden, Klein & others have done this to an extent. It sucks that these types of acts are what makes the most difference.

      Irrelevant.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

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