House Panel Advances Bill on Key Surveillance Measure (axios.com) 70
The House Intelligence Committee approved a bill Friday along party lines that would reauthorize a central surveillance law, the Washington Post reports. From a report: It does change the law -- known as Section 702 -- but doesn't satisfy surveillance reform advocates, including in the tech industry. The law is used to authorize the surveillance of electronic communications by foreign nationals abroad, but advocates worry about the programs picking up communications involving Americans as well.
Re:POTUS non-incumbents will _all_ be wiretapped! (Score:4, Insightful)
This. Democrat or Republican rule, it's six of one, half dozen of the other. No real difference except agenda. They all want the same control. We, the people, cede control to government in the name of "security", and look what this has wrought. Since 9-11, the Internet is a different animal, travel is untenable, everyone is up in your grill. I'm surprised there is not yet a national ID card.
For years people decried "we're heading for socialism!". I told them, no, not even--we're headed for facism. The recent election has merely introduced the next level of this progression. The unholy alliance between big government and corporations is only placing the wedge between them and us citizens. A man cannot even head down to the corner store and buy something without you bank, carrier, apps, etc. know where you are, what you bought, whom you may have met. This is only going to grow more pronounced because the average person is simply apathetic. They've got their entertainment, their food, their pleasures, and their faces solidly within the glow of their electronic leash handsets. Bread and circuses. We're doomed...
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Everything has a socialist component. (Score:1)
Capitalism was and still to a lesser degree rests upon socialist arguments. To sell stuff to the masses, everything is sold with socialist arguments. To give up so that the many benefit is the essence of socialism. It's a broad concept applied in many ways.
Capitalism argues it is the best system because it benefits the most people in the end. Twisted reasoning in a way but not illogical; it's justification for the inequality and many flaws is socialism. Keeping competition fair by regulation is part of i
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Adam Smith was a time traveller. Capitalism rests on arguments put forward 100 years later! You read it here first!
Changes by this bill: warrant required, unmasking (Score:2)
In case anyone wants to talk about the actual bill, as opposed to just cramming their nose up some politician's ass, here's what the bill changed.
First, a quick review of what sectionnot702 is. Section 702 relates to eavesdropping on foreign communications. Programs under 702 are not to be used to target Americans. When one party to a conversation is an American, their identity is to be masked, referring to them as "person A", "person B", etc. So the record would show a conversation between Putin, Ahmadine
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"The House Intelligence Committee is made up of elected Representatives."
Unfortunately intelligence is not a prerequisite to be a member.
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The same time we said that all criticism of Obama was racist, duh!
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The difference is that Warren isn't a traitor.
https://www.reuters.com/articl... [reuters.com]
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Well, it's not looking good for him at the moment.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/0... [cnbc.com]
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Neither is Trump.
Sure he is. He pardoned someone specifically convicted of violating the constitution.
That pretty much makes him a traitor, since he promised to defend the constitution.
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Technically, neither will Trump. Not that it matters.
Re:POTUS non-incumbents will _all_ be wiretapped! (Score:4, Interesting)
The intel world was doing their jobs and tapping into Russia, CHina, North Korea, etc. The fact that Trump's ppl contacted Russia and China to cut deals ahead of time was seen ONLY because Trump's ppl contacted ppl that were under ACTIVE surveillance. And the fact that Trump Jr, and SiL, BOTH requested from the Russians that they provide a different SECURED path for communications, says they KNOW that they were committing treason by cutting deals.
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First I've heard of this one. Link please? Google didn't turn anything up. I tried searching for this and found nothing.
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Sorry, my bad.
'Obama tapping Trump' is equally nightmare fuel.
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And Obama's marriage to a heshe.
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Funny that Hillary's team was also constantly talking to the Ruskys, but nobody's phone was tapped.
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Or, are you just doing the normal GOP thing and lying through your teeth?
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They don't even deny it. Just claim it was a law firm they paid six million to do it for them, so 'no foul'. First we need to shoot all the lawyers...
We'll see how it turns out once the law firm is shown to have been acting criminally, hence no privilege.
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They're predictably saying: 'privilege, privilege, privilege.' Which will last until the shysters are shown to have been acting criminally themselves. Then they will throw whoever they have to under the bus.
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Coincidently: All non-incumbent presidential candidates in future will be 'crooks and lying douchebags' under law enforcement investigation.
That is unless someone goes to prison for wire tapping Trump.
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The difference is Warren isn't communicating with Russian spies, unlike the Trump campaign.
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The domestic collection that was to stop after what the Church Committee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] told the US about got a free pass under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).
Now its all about the color of law under the Section 702.
Decades of color of law domestic collection given legal cover by using the word foreign over a few dec
Call it the All Data Recorded Indefinitely Act. (Score:1)
Be more honest and get to the point, right in the title:
All Data Recorded Indefinitely Act
So easy to fix and yet, nothing is done right (Score:2)
Then anything that is ENCRYPTED means that there is an ACTIVE attempt to block others from seeing the data. As such, we then
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I am pushing for USPO to offer up personal digital keys that are FULLY VETTED (i.e. like passport, pix and fingerprint) and they would then have a distributed network of the key-servers. And when it is trivial for somebody to obtain a single digital-key, then e-mail, blogs, etc will become not just secured, but will also be less spam, and BS that we see even in in /.
Such a personal digital keys would inevitably translate into becoming a national id card with a chip to be stored therein. It would definitely be better than the antiquated system of using personal info to verify identity, which we know to be utterly compromised.
It'll be a critical piece for the dystopian hell I'm sure we're headed towards, since congress has long since abandoned the interests of the public to the tender mercies of rapacious corporations. When you get banned for being a persona non grata,
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U can obtain your digital key whereever you want. BUT, having the USPO offer up a VETTED digital key is perfect for doing our general communications, communications with businesses, and even blog sites that want to give higher points to somebody that is VETTED. For example,
When it comes to e-mail, I would simply stop accepting any
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No, I understand the point you're making about a vetting process. It seems to be like a certificate authority, but for personal identification rather than facilitating ssl encryption. I like the idea, as we need a reliable method of identification that isn't based on biometrics.
I'm just reminded how at one time it was actually promised that social security numbers would never be used for identification purposes, and well, we know how that turned out. So such a system would start out voluntary and optiona
Re: So easy to fix and yet, nothing is done right (Score:2)
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I am continuing to push several of my CONgress critters to change some of our bills. In particular, I would like it to be that anything that is CLEAR TEXT, either saved on a system or sent over the net, is fair game for American intelligence. The reason is that it is similar to sending a postcard. It is also the fact that China and Russia also have easy access to this so should ours.
I would also include mass surveillance for law enforcement purposes but see below
Then anything that is ENCRYPTED means that there is an ACTIVE attempt to block others from seeing the data. As such, we then require a warrant for our intel world to see the data (basically decrypt it).
The problem with this is that under law and jurisprudence, encryption does *not* provide any expectation of privacy.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/p... [ssrn.com]
Allowing a warrant to force encryption will become no different than no encryption. That is how the FISA court works now limited only by technical measures.
If we pass this, it will no doubt anger a number of ppl here because it gave America's intel world the same carte blanche that the rest of the world have. This will no doubt cause MS, Google, Yahoo, etc to push through encryption on nearly everything.
That is basically my thought as well. I add that law enforcement might as well do it also because they are going to do it an
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Now, with that said, the idea behind using USPO is for the vetting. They can generate PPK, OR, I should be able to give them the public key that I generated at home, and we still have a VETTED PK.
But, there are plenty of applications where a vetted PK is ideal. Not only encryption of email, but also blogging, elections, etc.
Re: So easy to fix and yet, nothing is done right (Score:2)
Blame Democrat party. (Score:1)
Remember this could have been stopped this with allowing someone other than the Shillary Clinton (lock her up) to run. Instead they BROKE the law and COLLUDED against the socialist Bernie Sanders to undermine his popalarity. Remember democrat party also brought to power Mike Flynn who has now been charged with lying to FBI. Shillary Clinton is the next dominow to fall in that crazy conspirasy theory. I am American and even I can see that Democrat party is to blame. This is why I donate regular to Trum
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Your servant trump will thank you.
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Oops, I think you've revealed yourself there. Nice try comrade, but next time, try harder to keep the nationalistic furors separate.
Don't worry (Score:2)
Soon, Circle accounts will be mandatory.
What does it matter what's "legal"? (Score:2)
Seems the U.S. funded intel agencies are gonna do whatever the fuck they want to anyway. This bill, whether repealed or sustained, is moot in reality.
We need to bring the morals of these agencies into check if we want real change. Hopefully Snowden, Klein & others have done this to an extent. It sucks that these types of acts are what makes the most difference.
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We need to bring the morals of these agencies into check if we want real change. Hopefully Snowden, Klein & others have done this to an extent. It sucks that these types of acts are what makes the most difference.
Irrelevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]