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Airbnb Drives Up Rent Costs In Manhattan and Brooklyn, Report Says (cnet.com) 188

According to a report from New York City's comptroller, Scott Stringer, Airbnb is causing rent prices to increase significantly in Manhattan and Brooklyn (Warning: source may be paywalled: alternative source), where the majority of the company's rentals are concentrated. The New York Times reports: In Manhattan's Hell's Kitchen and Chelsea neighborhoods and the Midtown Business District, which accounted for about 11 percent of all Airbnb listings in New York City in 2016, average monthly rents increased by $398 between 2009 and 2016, of which $86, or 21.6 percent, was a result of Airbnb's presence, the report said. In Greenpoint and Williamsburg in Brooklyn, the study said, rents went up 18.6 percent in those years because of Airbnb listings. Airbnb makes it easy to rent apartments to tourists, taking units off the market for full-time residents, the report said. The report said that Airbnb's influence cost New Yorkers $616 million in additional rent in 2016 as a result of price pressures.
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Airbnb Drives Up Rent Costs In Manhattan and Brooklyn, Report Says

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  • ...and? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MightyYar ( 622222 ) on Thursday May 03, 2018 @05:29PM (#56550536)

    Every type of economic activity increases rents... like, all of them. New restaurants - increase rents. Jobs increase rents. So you flood an area with tourists and the rents go up? OK, in isolation that sounds bad - but what did all of that tourism money do to the local economy? If rents go up, doesn't that also encourage investment in the neighborhood? How can you just look at this one statistic in isolation? Cities were murdering each other to get the new Amazon headquarters... what would that do to rents?

    • but.. But.... I want to complain about something and those big bad companies that make money are good targets!

      How dare you tell me there is ANYTHING good about the thing I choose to complain about...

      • NYC restricts the supply of housing by refusing to issue building permits, so prices are going up. The only solutions are rent control or usage restrictions.

        Removing the restrictions on building, and allowing the supply to rise to meet demand is NOT a solution, because the NIMBY voters of NYC would never accept it. They don't want NYC to lose its "small town" neighborhood feeling - and, no, this is not a joke.

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          • "solutions" to what? rent going up? why is that a problem?

            Because landlords are evil, and tenants are virtuous victims. Furthermore, victimhood is only available to current residents, not to people that want to live in NYC but can't because affordable housing is not available.

            Stop rent control. Stop subsidizing rent. force the system to balance itself, instead.

            Try running for NYC public office while saying that. Good luck.

            • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

              People who are already there get priority, because it's worse for them if they have to move. Might lose their job, kids have to change school etc.

    • by msauve ( 701917 )
      And, it reduces the cost of temporary shelter. So, it's an equalizer.
    • Re:...and? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Actually, I do RTFA ( 1058596 ) on Thursday May 03, 2018 @05:52PM (#56550690)

      . So you flood an area with tourists and the rents go up?

      There's no reason to think there are more tourists visiting NYC. Occupancy rates in hotels are down, year-over-year.

      You are right that you have to look at mutliple factors, but you probably would want to compare rents, inflation and wages. After all, the important thing to the average renter is what percent of their money goes to rent.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Occupancy rates in hotels are down, year-over-year.

        I wonder if some kind of an alternative to a hotel became available in recent years. Like some kind of service that allows you to rent from a common homeowner.

      • So does that mean some hotels will close and be reconverted as apartments, driving rent down ? Sound like life and death of competing business models ...

        • So does that mean some hotels will close and be reconverted as apartments, driving rent down ?

          Nope. Regulatory issues aside (which wouldn't be a problem in NYC), the fact that AirBnBs are driving up rents means that the hotel rooms are still more profitable than rentals.

      • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday May 03, 2018 @07:46PM (#56551284)
        AirBnB turns your tourists into part of your Urban Sprawl problem. The Hotels are usually in a district (especially nice ones) near the city's major amenities. AirBnB breaks that. If folks are staying where ever and driving a few hours in a rental (fine since they're on vacation) expect to see traffic shoot up.
      • . So you flood an area with tourists and the rents go up?

        There's no reason to think there are more tourists visiting NYC. Occupancy rates in hotels are down, year-over-year.

        Clearly, tourists are choosing cheaper AirBnB stays over hotels. I can see two reasons that the AirBnBs are cheaper, one the hotels can do something about, one they cannot. The one they can do something about is the fact that AirBnB is cheaper in part because it doesn't provide all of the same amenities. When you stay at an AirBnB you do not get daily maid service, and in most cases you're expected to leave the place roughly as clean as you found it. In addition, you don't get room service, concierge servic

        • Part of the regulation is for the benefit of residents, and removing it causes problems. Hotels have some degree of surveillance over guests, and can try to stop someone from, say, setting up a meth lab in a hotel room. A hotel can be held liable for excessive noise or other disturbances. Hotels are not normally in residential areas, so residents don't have the disadvantages that come with lots of short-term renters in their neighborhood.

          To put this another way, AirBnB saves money by imposing costs on

    • Cities were murdering each other to get the new Amazon headquarters... what would that do to rents?

      Increases rent faster than wages resulting in an increased homeless population. Also Amazon is buying up the residential so they can bring people in and set them up with homes right away...

      In short, Amazon is great for a city's economy, but it's awful for the people who are already living there.

    • and subletting. Because the rich people living in New York still want services from Working Class people who shouldn't have to live 4 hours from where they provide those services.

      And yes, this means we sometimes tell businesses to take a flying leap when their business is not conducive to the overall health and wellbeing of society. It's like the Olympics. No city in it's right mind would host it. Not all economic activity is 'good'.
    • This is not "the economy" driving rent prices up or some other esoteric, abstract and complicated concept, it's simple basic supply and demand. If you don't put up your apartment for rent but instead decide to turn it into a one-bedroom hotel, you remove one apartment from the renting market, reducing supply of apartments with a steady or even increasing demand, thus driving the price up.

      It doesn't get any simpler than that, I kinda doubt you don't know that...

      • The entire point of my post was to dispute that narrative. A tourist staying in an apartment is not an economic drop-in replacement for a "normal" renter. They probably spend a lot more money on - if nothing else - food. Without understanding other ways in which AirBNB affects the local economy, this becomes a very shallow analysis that - as you point out - merely highlights a blindingly obvious relationship in supply and demand.

        • This already assumes that this tourist only comes because there is an AirBnB available and would not have stayed in a hotel, which now is lacking that revenue. Revenue that is also far higher taxed (and not only because, let's face it, a lot of AirBnB income never makes it onto a tax sheet).

          But that doesn't even affect rents. It's simply fewer supplied apartments for rent with a demand that remains the same. How AirBnB affects the local economy aside of apartment renting, if at all, doesn't even enter the e

          • , if at all, doesn't even enter the equation.

            Forgive me if I don't simply take your word for that. It's not that you don't seem like a reasonable guy - I'd just like to use data rather than theorizing. The $10/year increase in rents correlated to AirBNB in the study are not exactly breathtaking in any case. It would not surprise me if each apartment generated $120/year in additional recurring revenue to compensate. It also wouldn't surprise me if it actually resulted in less revenue. This isolated datapoint gives us very little to go on, and isn't a v

    • Every type of economic activity increases rents... like, all of them.

      Hazardous facility opening directly across the road. Garbage dump opening next door. New airport runway expansion directs all planes right over your house.

      • Hazardous facility opening directly across the road.

        You are playing a semantic game. It will still raise rents nearby as it creates new jobs. Yes, there will be both winners and losers - but in aggregate new economic activity will raise rents.

        A better counter-example might be a giant robotic facility replacing a lower-volume manual facility, where the revenue might increase but total payroll goes down.

        • No a hazardous waste facility opening in a residential area is going to push rents down. Nobody wants to live near it. If it hires more people, they'll be willing to commute farther rather than living next to the facility.

          • Have you ever lived in NYC? Sure, across the street it will push rents down. A block away they won't even be aware of its existence.

            Go out to the suburbs and as soon as you drive out of sight of it, the rents will all go up to accommodate the new workers.

    • Every type of economic activity increases rents... like, all of them. New restaurants - increase rents. Jobs increase rents. So you flood an area with tourists and the rents go up? OK, in isolation that sounds bad - but what did all of that tourism money do to the local economy? If rents go up, doesn't that also encourage investment in the neighborhood? How can you just look at this one statistic in isolation? Cities were murdering each other to get the new Amazon headquarters... what would that do to rents?

      Look at Vancouver, BC and I believe Toronto as well. Chinese millionaires looking to diversify their holdings and move money beyond Chinese government reach are snatching up units left and right and just rent them out as AirBnB properties. Of course that is going to drive up rent. Does it encourage more people to go to these cities? Probably not since most people have to pay the expense of flying, eating out, etc while they are on a trip. So they end up spending $200 for a weekend at an AirBnB instead o

      • So maybe all of that is happening, but the point of my post is that we wouldn't know from this extremely limited analysis. All we know is that AirBNB increased rents in NYC by $86 over 7 years, or roughly $10/year. And that analysis is flawed because they make no distinction between part-time and full-time listings so they likely overstate the effect.

        So I'm not making any judgements as to whether allowing AirBNB to operate is reasonable or not - simply pointing out that this study does not get us very far i

        • So maybe all of that is happening, but the point of my post is that we wouldn't know from this extremely limited analysis. All we know is that AirBNB increased rents in NYC by $86 over 7 years, or roughly $10/year. And that analysis is flawed because they make no distinction between part-time and full-time listings so they likely overstate the effect.

          So I'm not making any judgements as to whether allowing AirBNB to operate is reasonable or not - simply pointing out that this study does not get us very far in that debate.

          Well I agree that the study is flawed. We don’t know exactly what AirBnB does to the economy of an area, but I think it should be readily apparent that it does affect rent when the units are being used as 24/7 AirBnB rentals as opposed to rental properties. They didn’t need to do a study for such a limited report. And there are probably areas where it actually benefits the economy, too. There are scenic areas where people own cabins that they personally probably only use a couple of months o

    • But we have zoning laws that regulate the use of land. We don't let people build hotels or conduct business activities in residential neighborhoods, for instance. AirBnB is essentially allowing residential neighborhoods to be used as commercial enterprises, and that's pushing up the rents "unfairly" to the extent that it's against the zoning laws.

      • I'd still consider renting to be commercial activity, even if it is allowed by zoning. I don't have a huge beef with zoning in general, but let's not pretend it is inherently fair in some way - it's basically NIMBY encoded into law... a way for people to protect their real estate investments. The only thing that makes it tolerable is that it grew out of a nominally democratic process.

        • There's good reason for people to want to protect their real estate investments. Once you own a house, moving is very expensive. (A couple of friends of mine had a financial problem and looked into moving to a smaller home. Turned out that, when they went through the details, they wouldn't save any money for the time they were concerned about.) Anything that lowers the value of living in the neighborhood either has to be endured or the homeowners have to spend a lot of money.

          As a society, it seems we

    • Every type of economic activity increases rents... like, all of them.

      Apart from building more accommodation. And improving transport links.

  • I got mine (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fluffernutter ( 1411889 ) on Thursday May 03, 2018 @05:50PM (#56550670)
    It shouldn't be called the gig economy, it should be called the "I got mine" economy. I'm also partial to the "screw you" economy.
    • by djinn6 ( 1868030 )
      If you can't afford rent, it's not the landlord's responsibility to lower the rent for you. Nobody has a birth-right to live in Manhattan, one of the most expensive places in the world. Besides, let's say the landlord does let you have it for cheap, then they're just screwing other potential renters.
    • it should be called the "I got mine" economy.

      True. We call that property rights. What you want is "I'm gonna take yours, by force if necessary".

      I'm also partial to the "screw you [you fucking evil totalitarian socialist]" economy.

      FTFY

      • You still didn't get the difference between equal opportunity and equal outcome, did you?

        • You still didn't get the difference between equal opportunity and equal outcome, did you?

          I'm glad you finally acknowledge that there is a difference; took you long enough.

          However, I'm not in favor of "equal opportunity" (which is, in fact, a government policy intended to produce equal outcomes). Nor do I generically endorse "equality of opportunity" (which progressives often use as a synonym for "equal opportunity").

          I specifically only consider strict equality under the law, private property rights, and fre

    • It shouldn't be called the gig economy, it should be called the "I got mine" economy. I'm also partial to the "screw you" economy.

      I don't think it's a "gig economy" thing. The "Me Generation" has been around for decades.

  • In those same areas, how much are rents inflated by minimum parking requirements, minimum setbacks, maximum floor area ratios, and height limits? I suspect that Airbnb is a drop in the bucket compared to these other sources of increased construction costs and limits on housing supply.
  • ... are people who are both able and willing to pay excessive prices. Those prices wouldn't exist if the sellers didn't already know they'll have buyers. Then for the next guy the price goes up a little again if the economy is doing well-slash-the Dow Jones is up-slash-insert bogus economic trend indicator here. The sellers are almost certainly greedy and nothing but self-interested, but collectively saying NO to greed is the only way to end it. Recessions are in fact the beginnings of a greed rollback,

    • I am in the 1%. Can you explain to me what I am doing that is so wrong, other than having a successful career? This mindset that people that are doing well are necessarily exploiting the people who are not doing well is poisonous.

      Of course people that are wealthy can tolerate recessions better than those that don't have any savings. I don't like very many expensive things, so I live under my means. The main thing that money buys me is peace of mind.
  • by mark-t ( 151149 ) <markt AT nerdflat DOT com> on Thursday May 03, 2018 @06:33PM (#56550974) Journal

    Rental periods of less than a single calendar month in length should force the entire building to be qualified as a hotel, and require that there be no long term rental or ownership of any units anywhere within the entire building, beyond at most what is necessary for any dedicated management and/or maintenance staff.

    Just IMNSHO....

    • by k6mfw ( 1182893 )
      True but many condo owners go ahead and do it anyway in clear violation of HOA rules. Probably like Uber (a non-regulated taxi service), Airbnb is an unregulated hotel but then that's what all this get rid of guvmint regulations is all about (without thinking the consequences).
      • by mark-t ( 151149 )
        I have no problem with it being unregulated, per se.... I just think that short term rentals should exclusively apply to all units within a building (other than those that may be required for on-site management and maintenance staff). If a person wants to run a B&B, they should be able to with a minimum of fuss.... but it should have to apply to the entire building, not just individual units in it. This makes in unviable when there are multiple owners, such as in a condo situation, because if even a
    • A better solution, and one that gets right to the heart of the market distortion that makes AirBnB rentals more economical than hotels is to permanently remove rent controls from any apartment that is used for short-term rentals. Landlords will be incented to turn in anyone using their rent-controlled apartment for AirBnB.

      An even better solution is to abandon rent controls entirely, but that's politically infeasible.

  • by Pfhorrest ( 545131 ) on Thursday May 03, 2018 @06:40PM (#56551010) Homepage Journal

    Just like AirBnB drives up the cost of longer-term rentals, the existence of rent in the first place drives up the cost of homeownership.

    Rent (including interest, which is just rent on money) is the core mechanism that perpetuates and amplifies the divide between rich and poor, turning what would otherwise be a truly free market into exploitative capitalism.

    • And in outlying areas, home building drives up the price of farmland.

    • by Misagon ( 1135 )

      That is not always the case.

      In my area, it is much easier for a poorer person to get admitted to rent a home than to be approved a loan to buy a house or condominium.
      After that, the monthly cost (rent or mortgage payments + payment to the coop) is roughly the same although it varies by neighbourhood.

  • >> average monthly rents increased by $398 between 2009 and 2016, of which $86, or 21.6 percent, was a result of Airbnb's presence

    $400 / month over 6-7 years in NYC isn't that shocking (it wouldn't be in Seattle, $100 / year for apartments that only millionaires could afford in NYC is common in quick-growing areas.)

    How do they attribute 21.6% of that to Airbnb again? TFA tried to make it sound all scientific, but really, guys? We need a doctor with a flashlight to explain it better.

  • I was in the Manhattan slum last year. Way too many people No wonder rents are high. I doubt AirBnB (which I used for a few days) had much to do with it.
  • Do you want to know what really causes rising rents?

    Landlords. These leeches serve no purpose but to suck off the productive value from the real working class. Next, they remove available housing stock and drive up property costs forcing the working class people to either rent or leave town if they want to own.

    You'll always hear this whiny reply (most likely from landlords) that they help gentrify neighborhoods and make housing affordable. Really? Have you ever seen a landlord do more than the bare minimu

    • I wish I could upmod you but I've already posted upthread. It's heartening to finally see someone else who gets it.

    • Landlords. These leeches serve no purpose but to suck off the productive value from the real working class.

      If you think that buying is cheaper than renting, why aren't you buying?

      Of course, the median condo price in Manhattan is about $2 million. That costs you about $3000 in property taxes and $7000 in mortgage payments per month. Median rent for Manhattan is somewhere around $4500.

      Landlords and the city than through the fun of zoning laws keep housing stock at a bare minimum.

      What the city does is determin

    • How would you have rental space at all without landlords? Someone has to own the property if the renter doesn't, right? Or is your preference to have no rental space at all? That seems unrealistic.
  • 3% CAGR exceeds inflation, but not by that much.

  • How does an increase in the number of units on the market drive the price UP ? It would seem to me that greater available number of units would force the prices down. I am obviously missing something here...

    • AirBnB customers compete with renters. And they compete rather well because between rent control and renter protection laws, AirBnB customers likely pay more and are less hassle.

  • Ha... AirBnB raises rents in NYC... how about all of the foreign buyers in China and Russia that buy apartments 100% in cash without ever seeing them or living in them. Maybe AirBnB is good or bad, but they are a drop in the bucket compared to others.
  • The report said that Airbnb's influence cost New Yorkers $616 million in additional rent ...

    Three questions:

    1. How much did New Yorkers earn from renting their property through AirBnB?
    2. How much did tourists to New York save from not having to pay exorbitant hotel prices?
    3. How many more tourists came to New York (and spent their money at shops, etc.) because it was possible to rent a place (for less money) through AirBnB?

    • Personally, I would not object to a law forbidding anyone from renting (on AirBnB) a space they don't personally occupy at least 50% or more of the time. It's my understanding the current NYC law goes way beyond that. I agree with those who support making it impossible for someone to purchase a building, or a condo unit, simply to use it as an AirBnB rental space 100% of the time. That is, unless said person is willing to collect hotel taxes from their short-term renters.

      On my last family vacation to N

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