People Living in the Hottest Places on the Planet Are the Least Likely To Have Air Conditioners (qz.com) 235
Zoe Schlanger, writing for Quartz: In 2016, roughly 10% of the planet's energy use went towards air conditioning. Figures vary wildly from country to country, though, and some of the hottest regions on Earth use the least A/C -- for now. A new report from the International Energy Agency says that's about to change. By 2050, the intergovernmental agency predicts, global energy use from A/Cs will triple, reaching a level equivalent to China's total electricity demand today. The African continent is home to some of the hottest places on Earth, but fewer than 5% of people in most African nations own an air conditioner, and energy used for cooling comes to just 35 kWh per person living in the continent, according to the IEA. In India, where large parts of the country are hot all year round, people use an average of 70 kWh for cooling. Compared to nations where having an A/C is the norm, that's almost nothing at all.
Lack of insulation (Score:5, Interesting)
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Was going to mention that this is a big reason why 3rd world countries don't "need" ac in homes, they are all made of concrete and typically have an atrium or some sort of natural means of cooling the home. Its not perfect, but its free.
Also in lots of poor, hot countries people tend to live on the coast where they can get some wind rather than the interior.
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or some sort of natural means of cooling the home.
Architecture can be pretty cool! [wikipedia.org]
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Thermally, brick is a horrible building material. It's 6 times more conductive than wood, 20 times more conductive than foamed plastics. Cracks frequently develop between blocks.
Brick construction is expensive, both in material costs and labor. Without reinforcement, it's unsuitable for earthquake regions.
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Brick fares much better to keep buildings cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter.
Which you won't find much of on the west coast because of earthquakes. It's been years since I've seen a brick house, but strangely a lot of the new condo buildings in Seattle have brick facades on the first floor which seems like a problem.
During the 2001 earthquake, the brick building where I worked was made uninhabitable and a block away a brick wall crushed a van. If someone had been inside it, they would have been killed.
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It's been years since I've seen a brick house, but strangely a lot of the new condo buildings in Seattle have brick facades on the first floor which seems like a problem.
I am not sure about how it works in Seattle, but I will bet that it is not structural brick they are using. I have seen some taller buildings (not single family homes) going up and the structural components are all steel it seems nowadays. The outer walls of the buildings are curtain walls [wikipedia.org]. The Wikipedia article mentions stone veneer of marble, granite, etc, mounted on an aluminum honeycomb backing. A few years ago I saw one go up that hade some brick veneer, no more than an inch or two thick on a backing.
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Brick fares much better to keep buildings cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter.
Thermal mass is good when you have hot days and cool nights, like coastal southern California. Seattle too?
Which you won't find much of on the west coast because of earthquakes. It's been years since I've seen a brick house,
Concrete has the same problem as brick, but you see plenty of that. You just need to reinforce it to add tensile strength.
The cost is not huge, but building from sticks is cheaper, and insulation against the cold is more important than thermal mass.
Do you have concrete slab floors?
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Brick (and masonry) just feels cooler because it takes longer to heat up in the morning due to its greater mass. The larger mass means after absorbing the same amount of sunlight, its temperature increases less. But likewise it takes longer to cool down in the evening. This may not be an undesirable trait if you're in a desert-like area where the days are hot but the nights are cold. But in climates which are consistently cold or hot (i.e. most of the world), brick and masonry are about the worst possible building materials. Their greater mass increases the amount of energy you need to use on heating or cooling (because you need to heat or cool the bricks along with the interior air space).
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BULLSHIT. There is no escape from heat when it's 40C and humidity is through the roof.
There is no shade, no brick, atrium, high ceiling, or ANYTHING that will lower the temperature.
The temperature stays above 30C during the coolest moment of the night, and this happens for weeks at a time.
I know this. Because I live in one of these places.
Re:Lack of insulation (Score:5, Interesting)
People who've lived in "one of these places" for millenia before there was such a thing as air conditioning knew how to do exactly that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
One of the houses I've helped to build in Central Texas features large amounts of rammed earth and white, reflective domes, and they only run the AC in that house for three months out of the year. They haven't even used all the tricks a passive thermal architect knows in the classical or cutting edge senses, and it's already a success.
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Ah yes, every location has readily available underground water THAT CAN SCALE TO A CITY OF 400,000.
Get real.
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No. American cities do. Look at Mexico City and tell me if it has "large apartment buildings".
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Also, I forgot: the structures you posted are for the "middle of the desert", where it's trivial to get evaporative cooling. I live more like in the "middle of the jungle". Good luck getting evaporative cooling with jungle-levels of humidity.
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To be uncharitable, part of the problem is that in much of the Western world today, most people are either overweight or obese. It's no secret that fat people overheat easier, and complain more about the heat.
In other parts of the world, people survive heat much better, with a higher surface-to-volume ratio and lower internal heat production.
Anyhow, TFA headline is wrong. The least likely to have air conditioners are those who live in the far North and far South. At 70 degrees North were 16C/60F is cons
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I know this. Because I live in one of these places.
I grew up in one of those places. Never had AC. The architecture with atriums and high ceilings precisely did help. It created much needed airflow that does a world of good for keeping the temperature livable. There's a big difference between 40C stagnant air, and 40C of moving air. The absolute temperature is not the problem.
You need AC? Grow some balls. (Side note: Testicles hang outside the body for cooling purposes)
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But my in-laws in Chennai India go through that 40+C/99% humidity. Personally, I think that is nothing more than a lobster tank. Still.....
I do suspect though t
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Then your building must suck.
What is the problem if outside is 30C at night? If the building is fine constructed it will not increase much above it over daytime. And 30C is a fine temperature for a night. Not perfect, but I would not mind it.
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Agreed, the reason for the trouble is that the "energy will be too cheap to meter" mindset of the 60's completely fubar'ed our sense of architectural design.
If you're in the east coast of the USA, go to Monticello. On a hot summer day, they'll open the windows at the top of the dome, and this sets up a convection current that draws air through the thermal mass of the box section which whirls into a vortex in the center, up and out. It will become quite a strong breeze, almost a gale sometimes, and there's
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There are a lot of older homes that are just terrible at insulation. Excessive power use in winter and summer. Newer houses tend to be better built as far as insulation goes, fewer drafts, double paned windows, etc.
Although growing up we had A/C after awhile, we didn't use it much even though it would regularly get above 100 in the summer. The cost was just too high to keep it on all the time. So you head to a swimming pool instead, or go stand in the ice cream aisle of the grocery store. Even in colle
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Oh ya, I'm 55 and finally got my first A/C last year, a portable for those few days where it gets miserable. There's just something about California where they resist putting A/C into houses, condos, apartments because it would be like admitting that the weather wasn't perfect.
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Could someone with mod points please mod the parent into oblivion?
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"You've got that completely backwards."
That was my initial reaction also as brick buildings tend to be cold in Winter and intolerably hot in Summer here in Vermont. But after thinking about it, I suspect he's thinking of adobe brick walls a good part of a meter thick. And yes, those will moderate temperature quite a lot -- at the cost of likely being lethal in a earthquake.
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I do not know anybody that runs AC at 16C. Heat will be, but, AC, at least in America, will be 22-27C. And yeah, we will run ours at 23-24C.
BTW, now that you are in the states, go spend a summer or winter in anywhere from Northern Ill to Minneapolis. Jul-mid aug, or end of dec until about mid feb, used to be intense for temperature.
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AC, at least in America, will be 22-27C.
And which hole did you pull that 'fact' from WindBourne?
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Why not use solar panels (Score:2)
Re:Why not use solar panels (Score:4, Interesting)
http://www.dry-it-out.com/cool... [dry-it-out.com]
A 10m x 10m room x 2m ceiling requires 12KW to cool it. I made the numbers easy to simulate an entire house and give 100sq meters of panel.
https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/201... [ucsd.edu]
A standard solar panel produces about 250-300W per square meter in such regions. Therefore you'd need about half your roof space to cool just one room, and nothing else. Call it a two-storey house (upstairs and downstairs) and you can *just* about cool the house if you do nothing else with it.
https://news.energysage.com/12... [energysage.com]
"As of January 2018, the average cost of solar in the U.S. is $3.14 per watt ($37,680 for a 12 kilowatt system). That means that the total cost for a 12kW solar system would be $26,376 after the 30% Federal ITC discount"
You would literally be spending something on the order of $35k just to cool your house. That's an annual wage. If you can't afford the air-con (notice that the article is just as much about "poorer countries can't afford air con, hotter countries cost even more to air con), $35k on top of the investment to power it is a huge amount.
https://www.ovoenergy.com/guid... [ovoenergy.com]
That would buy 437,500 KWh of electricity in India, for example, which would keep that same 12KW powered for.... 99 years.
What you're asking is "Why can't people just spend 100 years of their cooling electricity usage in one hit so that they don't have to pay for any more cooling? On top of the price of the cooling system, and not including maintenance, replacement, fitting, etc. of either."
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A 10m x 10m room x 2m ceiling requires 12KW to cool it.
Seriously? Where, on Venus? Or using American "insulation"?
As of January 2018, the average cost of solar in the U.S. is $3.14 per watt ($37,680 for a 12 kilowatt system).
Get lost. This is not about the mind-bogglingly ovepriced US residential solar. Even in Europe, you're somewhere around $1.2/W today. In the developing world, you're practically talking about hardware costs, which are below $1/W for both panels and an inverter (or perhaps just $0.4/W for the panels, plus structures and labor, if you happen to have DC equipment).
That would buy 437,500 KWh of electricity in India
Except for the time when everyone's AC turns on and the notoriously unreliable Indian gri
Re:Why not use solar panels (Score:4, Insightful)
Three things:
1. Today I can buy 250w panels in the UK for ~79cents/watt, or a little under $9500 for 12KW at today's exchange. Bearing in mind that the price that you or even I pay is likely to considerably higher than the price of panels in "third world countries" - for the same reasons that power is cheaper. At MW scale the price is even lower.
2. I am not necessarily advocating panels on housing (although Germany is currently experimenting with estate built housing all with solar roofs and also estate battery systems (but not necessarily on the same estate)). If you visit Germany, you see MW sized solar panel systems built on all sorts of otherwise marginal land - all over the country. Here in the UK, it is actually more profitable to farm MW sized solar panels than crops on anything less than grade 2 land and there are many 100s of such installations all over the country, even though the UK has notoriously erm.. variable weather. Imagine what could be done in countries in sunny climates.
But the point is that increasing scale pushes the overall price down and, crucially, balances the majority of the aircon load - reducing the overall emissions for aircon is a happy by product.
3. In India, even dyed in the wool coal fired power plant companies are seeing the writing on the walls and are actively building double (and a few triple) digit solar plants. There must be money to be made here otherwise they would not bother.
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http://www.dry-it-out.com/cool... [dry-it-out.com]
A 10m x 10m room x 2m ceiling requires 12KW to cool it. I made the numbers easy to simulate an entire house and give 100sq meters of panel.
What a worthless calculator. Cool what? An insulated room? An uninsulated room? What's the starting temperature? What's the final temperature? 12KW AC? You turning the Sahara into the Arctic? There are whole houses in the middle of the desert that don't have that kind of systems installed and are perfectly cool and livable. Here have an equally useless calculator that gives a completely different an equally useless result: http://www.uk-air-conditioning... [uk-air-conditioning.com]
Personally I put a 3.5kW unit in my 12x10x2 combined
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If I wanted to get a PV system, I could get a 5kW system for $5k now, but I've done the sums and even at that price it's still not worth it considering our usage profile - the sun isn't shining at the times of year when we use the air-conditioner most: in the summer evenings when we come home and in the early mornings and evenings during winter. We only use it for a few months of the year as well.
It would be awesome in the future to have a heat storage option for AC units. In one cycle, you remove heat from a buffer when there's cheap electricity, in another cycle, you cool a room (by using its heat to warm the buffer) when you need it.
Also, don't even mention batteries. Tesla has the best pricing, but it's still way too expensive.
Considering lifetime costs, I keep wondering if the assorted NiFe battery manufacturers actually don't have the best pricing.
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Solar is obviously where the new power supply will be coming from, not much to see there. More power to them, so to speak, if they can cool their living spaces with sunlight.
The question becomes: who is going to build those masses of solar panels to drive the price down? So far, the answer has been, China, and that is in large part because of the Chinese monopoly on highly concentrated rare earth ores. This has created an arab oil embargo type situation that keeps solar panel prices higher than what Africa
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So far, the answer has been, China, and that is in large part because of the Chinese monopoly on highly concentrated rare earth ores
No it hasn't; rare earths have absolutely nothing to do with solar panels, period. (I might have heard that maybe some solar panel glass manufacturers use trace amounts of cerium to improve the glass quality, but that's not strictly necessary.)
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For funk sake, how often do I need to post that?
PV solar cells don't contain rare earth minerals!!! They literally made from SAND!
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The US military spends $20bn a year on air-con.
This is more than NASA costs to run.
And yet, people in hot countries don't really have air-con according to this. What does that tell you?
It tells me that humans adjust to the environment with enough exposure and training (or they shouldn't be there at all), and that $20bn would be much better spent on something useful.
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And yet, people in hot countries don't really have air-con according to this. What does that tell you?
They are relatively poor.
Calorie restricted diet (Score:4, Insightful)
In thinking about the high-calorie foods that would make our coder-drone selves become obese, I got to wondering where recipes for things like fried chicken and pecan pie came from and what social purpose to they serve?
Pre-mechanization, the use of horses was a productivity enhancer over human labor but even over draft animals such as oxen that are used throughout the world, past and present. An ox has pulling force, but a horse owing to its higher capacity cardiovascular system has a lot more power output, and the use of horses over oxen in agriculture was a breakthrough.
Likewise, the consumption of high-calorie foods by farm workers as opposed to having them get by with a minimum-calorie subsistence diet that is the norm in many parts of the world is also a productivity enhancer.
It has been said that air conditioning kindled the economic growth of the American South, or at least the southward migration of Yankees. Yes, one can subsist at a poverty level on minimal calories and natural outdoor temperatures, but think of the increased work, both physical and mental, one can do with enough to eat and respite from the heat? And think of this as breaking out of subsistence-level poverty?
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They are relatively poor.
Or they don't find air conditioning desirable.
I'm planning to translocate to Thailand. Lived there now for 4month in total. Going there for another month in about 6 weeks.
If I really settle there, my house won't have AC. I simply don't need nor want it. Having AC is a status symbol in Thailand. And freezing down a perfect house to 16C makes no sense to me. At home in Germany I would start the heating if it was that cold.
The second time I was in Thailand, I got a blood bladder infect
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The US military spends $20bn a year on air-con. This is more than NASA costs to run.
That kind of thing tends to happen when you run your air conditioners with $200+/US gal convoy-delivered fuel.
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As I said elsewhere, it is really not a high or low temp that produces the need for massive heating or cooling. It is WIDE variation along with cheap housing (i.e. not enough insulation) that causes the need for it.
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The African continent is home to some of the hottest places on Earth, but fewer than 5% of people in most African nations own an air conditioner, and energy used for cooling comes to just 35 kWh per person living in the continent, according to the IEA. In India, where large parts of the country are hot all year round, people use an average of 70 kWh for cooling.
In the US, 90% of homes have an A/C, and per-capita cooling-energy use is 1,880 kWh, according to the IEA report. Of the 1.6 billion A/C units installed globally, 23% are in the US.
The US uses 4x the electricity for cooling than the EU, and that's not even accounting for the smaller US population, that's just total.
Are you going to tell us 90% of the US has those 80C temperature swings you are claiming as the reason for all that use?
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I live in Karlsruhe,Germany, most of the tim,e or roughly 52% of my time ;D ... since 30 years or so.
Temperatures here easily reach 40C in summer
Spain, Italy, Greece, south France, all top 40C every summer. (And most places have no AC, because traditional buildings don't need it)
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Put another way, the 328 million people living in the US consume more energy for cooling than the 4.4 billion people living in all of Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, and Asia (excluding China) combined, according to the IEA report.
Because she is rich enough she doesn't have to.
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In India, where large parts of the country are hot all year round, people use an average of 70 kWh for cooling.
In the US, 90% of homes have an A/C, and per-capita cooling-energy use is 1,880 kWh
Don't let facts get in the way of your silly theory.
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The parent to you told you a fact. He stated that 11C is cold to these ppl. My sister who grew up in -40C to 40C temps swings has been in a climate where when it reaches 47C, she is still able to tolerate being outside in it. In fact, she will play tennis in it (in-fucking-sane). However, in the winter, when it reaches 11C, she is freezing.
Look, when I lived in north
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Or you could read the article and find it's correlated to wealth.
The African continent is home to some of the hottest places on Earth, but fewer than 5% of people in most African nations own an air conditioner, and energy used for cooling comes to just 35 kWh per person living in the continent, according to the IEA. In India, where large parts of the country are hot all year round, people use an average of 70 kWh for cooling.
Take Japan and Korea, for example, where people use 800 kWh on cooling each. Fully 91% of Japanese homes and 86% of Korean homes have an A/C. In the US, 90% of homes have an A/C, and per-capita cooling-energy use is 1,880 kWh, according to the IEA report. Of the 1.6 billion A/C units installed globally, 23% are in the US.
Africa 35 is less than India 70 less than Korea & Japan 800 less than America 1,880 It's as if people who have more money spend more of it on cooling. But we can't have them using as much as you already do can we. It's bad for the environment. Better to try and keep them poor and keep that AC for yourself.
Put another way, the 328 million people living in the US consume more energy for cooling than the 4.4 billion people living in all of Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, and Asia (excluding China) combined, according to the IEA report.
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23C is _average_ not the top temperature. The top is 28C
https://www.thelocal.se/201708... [thelocal.se]
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South Australia might be a warning... (Score:4, Informative)
The state of South Australia can get very hot. It recently went through an energy crisis, leading to a deal with Elon Musk to provide batteries to help even out power demand. This might be a small scale example of what's to come. South Australia has a tiny population compared to India, so a lot of research will need to happen focusing on new ways to generate, store and distribute energy if a demand for summertime A/C takes off there.
The cool thing (punny) is that would drive down the cost of batteries, solar panels, or whatever technologies are in large scale use, making them cheaper for the rest of us (assuming production can keep up).
What makes authors think they'll use heat pumps? (Score:3)
(Judging by the summary) the authors of the report are projecting that added air conditioning in currently underserved areas will use energy-hungry heat pumps, like developed world city and suburbs currently do. This ignores recent (and any yet-to-come) technology breakthroughs.
One is M-cycle cooling systems like Coolerado's. In locations where a swamp cooler would work, and many where it would fail due to moderately-too-high humidity, an M-cycle cooler will deliver cool air using about twice the power needed to blow it around and a little water (less than the amount saved by some power plant not generating the added electricity to power a heat pump, so you're AHEAD on water use, too). The air delivered does not have added humidity (just the higher relative humidity from cooling it, which WON'T drop it below the dew point and get mold going indoors), nor does it have added bacteria (though the half exhausted outdoors still may).
The guts of the Coolerado version is a "mass-heat exchanger" - a stack of plastic sheets that gets water (with a trace of soap) injected on one port, outside air blown in another, cooled air coming out a third, wet air out a fourth, and an unevaporated fraction of the water with the minerals and such out a fifth. Cheap (or it can be if the patent holders chose). Already being used in, among other places, medical facilities in India.
Another is the "infrared window" approach. Think "solar panel" that dumps about 90 watts per square meter of heat energy into the sky 24/7, (slightly better at night than noon). Cheap version of a plastic film with a silvered backside and 10-ish micron glass beads embedded in it. Only reason you need any power at all is to control the transfer of heat from the room to the panels (say, by circulating a heat-transfer fluid and blowing air through a radiator), so you don't get more cooling at night (when you probably don't want any) than at noon or afternoon (when you want a lot).
Not only can these, and potentially other approaches, provide air conditioning for the developing world at a fraction of the energy cost (and perhaps the equipment cost) of a classic heat-pump system, but they can also reduce the energy cost of cooling in the developed world.
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That's better than aheat pump with the ambient air as the source/sink (which deviates from the desired temperature in the exactly wrong direction).
But it's' still a heat pump. You're pumping across a lower gradient but you're still burning substantial power, compared with the solutions I mentioned.
It DOES have the advantage that proven solutions at reasonable prices are available now.
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Nice concept. However, it is cooling only. That is why for residential buildings, I like the more/better insulation such as aerogel windows, combined with geothermal HVAC. OTOH, that coolerado makes great sense for businesses, esp. kitchens,maybe DIA, etc.
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Coolerado has been around for like a decade and a half but they are barely more than experimental. Sounds great, but lets not get excited, their track record of commercial scale production is abysmal. Its going to be heat-pumps for at least the next decade.
But they got bought recently. So either their tech dies or gets developed by somebody with enough industry savvy to run with it.
AC is far more tied to temp variation, not high. (Score:2)
OTOH, if in the course of a year, you go from -40F up to 105F (or -40C to 40C), then you have 145F(80C) difference to deal with. Then add in 90-99% humidity during the summer. That is when you are far more likely to see AC being ran.
Of course, with that said, in places like Phoenix, Arizona, it regularly hits 115F ( 46C) through the middle of summer. Plenty of AC going on there. But, I notic
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The African continent is home to some of the hottest places on Earth, but fewer than 5% of people in most African nations own an air conditioner, and energy used for cooling comes to just 35 kWh per person living in the continent, according to the IEA. In India, where large parts of the country are hot all year round, people use an average of 70 kWh for cooling.
Take Japan and Korea, for example, where people use 800 kWh on cooling each. Fully 91% of Japanese homes and 86% of Korean homes have an A/C. In the US, 90% of homes have an A/C, and per-capita cooling-energy use is 1,880 kWh, according to the IEA report. Of the 1.6 billion A/C units installed globally, 23% are in the US.
Africa 35 is less than India 70 less than Korea & Japan 800 less than America 1,880
It's as if people who have more money spend more of it on cooling. But we can't have them using as much as you already do can we. It's bad for the environment. Better to try and keep them poor and keep that AC for yourself.
Put another way, the 328 million people living in the US consume more energy for cooling than the 4.4 billion people living in all of Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, and Asia (excluding China) combined, according to the IEA report.
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Even though she matches your profile perfectly 10C to 40C year round. According to you she doesn't need it...
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What lie? Power up your AC, your brain is cooking (Score:2)
Your own anecdotes match the story perfectly, those with more money use more air-conditioning. Hence produce more CO2.
Entitled pricks like yourself use more than everyone else, but if poor people start to use even a fraction of what you do, somehow it's their fault but not yours.
Put another way, the 328 million people living in the US consume more energy for cooling than the 4.4 billion people living in all of Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, and Asia (excluding China) combined, according to the IEA report.
You entire premise of it being related to the change of temperature over a year, doesn't even match your own examples that you tried to use as evidence.
And you s
The solution (Score:2)
Go here [wikipedia.org] to read about "the only viable option for generating the massive amounts of electrical power that would be needed to raise the standard of living in third-world nations to that of first-world nations."
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There are not many third world countries left. Somalia comes to mind ... Columbia perhaps, what else is a third world country in your mind?
And then define "standard of living"? An AC is a piece of "standard of living"? Then I must live in a cave for you, because I live in a building build 1870. In Germany. In a city that used to have -30C to +35C climate around WWI and has now a -5C to +40C climate. The house never needed an AC, only heating. Of course I have much better windows like they had 100 years ago
EVERYONE forgets this point (Score:2)
10% have electricity in some countries. (Score:2)
Last time I checked you need electricity to run AC units. Yes I know 10% is the low end of the spectrum but for the whole continent 60% of the population is without Electricity.
Only 42% have access to running water.
This reminds me of the old joke about the scientist and the frog. Scientist cuts 1 leg off and tells frog to jump, frog jumps. Cuts another leg off and tells frog to jump, frog jumps. Cuts the 3rd leg off tells frog to jump, frog jumps. Cuts 4th leg off and tells frog to jump, nothi
Swamp Coolers ftw (Score:2)
All it needs is hot air pulled across a damp membrane with a squirre
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People Living in Hottest Places are Less Pampered (Score:2)
FTFY.
Re: Tell them to stop fucking then (Score:3, Insightful)
So you are saying that India is not an overcrowded country where people bathe in the Ganges and treat cows as sacred?
Why must we pretend that India is a great place to live when it sucks?
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Care to share those miraculous methods?
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Sure, I already have. See:
http://sugarmtnfarm.com/cottag... [sugarmtnfarm.com]
and
http://sugarmtnfarm.com/butche... [sugarmtnfarm.com]
You'll find a lot of articles discussing the design, construction, operation and plenty of photos.
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Looks like you have a lovely place!
Wish I could come a visit someday. (Don't worry that's an idle wish, not a realistic one nor a statement of intent). The design and construction of your butcher's shop especially intrigues me.
Good luck with your 'proposed' smokehouse. Hope everything goes well.
Re:AC is not necessary... (Score:5, Insightful)
what's the average temperature during the summer where you live?
where i live it's 30C. with 40C days and 30C nights for weeks at a time. with 80-90% humidity to top it off.
so yeah if you can tell me the secret to keep cool without AC during those times, I will take your point. otherwise, it's as stupid as saying "heating is a luxury, you only need to add more layers of clothing"
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We're in USDA Zone 3.
Summer high of: 30ÂC (86ÂF)
Winter low of: -42ÂC (-45ÂF)
Our butcher shop says cold enough that we do not have any mechanical refrigeration for the building. I have spaces I'll eventually make into walk-in coolers but we got our USDA license without that. In fact, the USDA regional head was extremely impressed with our facility and told me so. We passed our licensing on the first try with a 100% score, because it was built right and then operated right. I'm meticulous.
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Meanwhile, in the third world, where people can barely afford to stucco their walls...
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what's the average temperature during the summer where you live?
Does it matter above 30C when the health recommendation is that the temperature difference should be around 7C max? The heat flux ought to be a function of temperature difference, not of absolute temperature.
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"where i live it's 30C. with 40C days and 30C nights for weeks at a time. with 80-90% humidity to top it off."
You could try living underground or with enough insulation (and no windows) to approximate underground. But I think you'll need at least a dehumidifier or your residence is likely going to be mold-heaven.
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it's as stupid as saying "heating is a luxury, you only need to add more layers of clothing"
Now that is interesting. Firstly you seem to be incapable of living in 40C without AC (toughen up buttercup). Then you seem to think that the answer to cold is to heat everything so you wear the same cloths all year around. It's called a jumper, and it does wonders for you winter gas bill.
The only thing stupid is people truly adapting their varied environment rather than learning to live with it.
40C? Last time it was 40C in the shade I was outside building a deck in the direct sun. The fact you can't live w
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Lame troll is lame.
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You totally missed the point. But then you're an Anonymous Coward so I should expect no less, I suppose.
Re:AC is not necessary... (Score:5, Insightful)
The original poster is correct. Before air conditioning, passive thermal building design was de facto. You put up awnings to keep out summer sun, but the winter sun comes in at lower angles and you make sure it goes through the window and heats up some dense mass - masonry, tile, a brick hearth, etc. Likewise, highly reflective roofs, southern walls ribbed like a saguaro cactus to prevent the sun from hitting much of the wall at once, geothermal ducting combined with windcatcher chimneys and convection - these have been known tricks for thousands of years.
I'm just shaking my head at the know-it-alls calling all this magical. It's been concrete knowledge for longer than there's even been concrete.
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There is nothing miraculous or magical about it. Just science.
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It's been concrete knowledge for longer than there's even been concrete.
Since the oldest concrete I'm aware of dates back to 5600 BCE (McNeil, An Encyclopaedia of the History of Technology), this would mean that this knowledge is probably older than residential buildings in stone.
USian chauvinist (Score:2)
Only USians use kWh as a measure of any kind of energy consumption -- the rest of the world uses MJ?
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Correlation holds true within the United States as well.