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YouTubers Will Enter Politics, And If They Do, They're Probably Going To Win (buzzfeednews.com) 298

A group of twentysomethings leveraged their huge YouTube audiences and actually won seats in Brazil's federal and state elections. What happens next is anyone's guess. Ryan Broderick, writing for BuzzFeed News: Kim Kataguiri is known in Brazil for a lot of things. He's been called a fascist. He's been called a fake news kingpin. Is he a YouTuber? He definitely uses YouTube. He's definitely a troll. A troll with a consistent message, though, he points out. Maybe he's Brazil's equivalent of Milo Yiannopoulos. His organization, Movimento Brasil Livre (MBL) -- the Free Brazil Movement -- is like the Brazilian Breitbart. Or maybe it's like the American tea party. Maybe it's both. Is it a news network? Kataguiri says it isn't. But it's not a political party, either. He says MBL is just a bunch of young people who love free market economics and memes. One thing is very clear: His YouTube channel, the memes, the fake news, and MBL's army of supporters have helped Kataguiri, 22, become the youngest person ever elected to Congress in Brazil. He's also trying to become Brazil's equivalent of speaker of the House.

[...] Kataguiri's political awakening is a textbook example of the way algorithms beget more algorithms. During his last year of high school, his teacher started a debate about welfare programs in Brazil. So Kataguiri started googling. He discovered Ron Paul and the Brazilian libertarian YouTuber Daniel Fraga. "Then I did a video to my teacher and my friends at school to talk about what I had found out," Kataguiri says. "There was one problem: I posted this video on YouTube. So it was public and it went viral." He says people kept asking for more videos, but he didn't know anything. So he went back to googling, and then made more videos about what he learned.

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YouTubers Will Enter Politics, And If They Do, They're Probably Going To Win

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  • by Joviex ( 976416 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @11:07AM (#57517667)
    Ego-stroking Talking heads will always be egoi-stroking talking heads...
    • by Anonymous Coward

      So, when any politician or person running for office is banned by youtube, the company can be charged with Election Tampering ?

    • Ego-stroking Talking heads will always be egoi-stroking talking heads...

      Speaking of talking heads, this is right out of that old 80's show, Max Headroom, where the TV station with the most viewers at voting time got their candidate into office.

  • The trolls get old fast, but there are others on YouTube from the UK that now has entered politics. I have no idea if their combined subscriber base of over 1mil, will be enough to change elections.

    • by lgw ( 121541 )

      The trolls get old fast, but there are others on YouTube from the UK that now has entered politics. I have no idea if their combined subscriber base of over 1mil, will be enough to change elections.

      With Sargon stepping back from the Culture Wars, it will be interesting to see how it plays out. Is he really tired of YouTube fame, or is he positioning himself for a political career with UKIP? I think 1 million subscribers isn't enough to make a real impact, but it is great training for politics. Heck, just the idea that "maybe we should debate ideas on their merits" has become radical means it's time for something to change.

      IMO the more "radical centrists" and "free speech extremists" get involved wi

      • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @11:25AM (#57517831)

        The problem is that for every sane Youtuber with a halfway decent following, you have an army of idiots that BLOW YOUR MIND, can count to 10 and show you a million things to do to your hair (with a link to buy the crap in the description, either as a promo-link to Amazon and the like or they run their own crap already and bypass the middleman when it comes to swindling teenies out of money).

        Not to mention the criminally insane, from apricot-core eaters to flat earthers to the politically-religious, ranging all the way from the kill-the-fags right wing nutjob to the kill-the-cis-males left wing nutjobs.

        My only hope is that they are SO many and fracturing their user base SO widely (because they themselves can't get along) that they splinter it up into so many insignificant groups that they in total don't matter.

        • by e3m4n ( 947977 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @12:32PM (#57518339)

          I used to think this. Recently, the way the Democratic party is running, I feel we are now in an era of Minority rule. Take any hot topic item, whether its abortion, gay marriage, forcing a baker to make a gay wedding cake, etc. Lets take the gay wedding cake one.. Now look at the demographics of the democratic party. While the LBGTQ(insert-more-letters-here) group is solidly democrats, so are the black southern baptist and blue dog democrats. Latinos are typically very devout catholics. These groups have a very different set of ideals when it comes to certain social issues. Now if this was a national vote where it was not party driven, you would probably see only 15% come out and say "Yes, a baker should be FORCED to make any cake he or she disagrees with, regardless of religious belief". But because this 'coalition' exists to force all its members to tow the party line, this 20% suddenly jumps to 47% of the population, and members are being represented against their beliefs. As if there was some shortage of gay bakers to make a cake. This is why we are now a country of minority rule. We keep making exception after exception for every minority group instead of demanding people be treated exactly the same. Same means Same, not "All Animals are created equal; some are more equal than others".

          The same thing happens in the Republican party, but its not quite as fractured as the Democratic party. There is a large number of people that vote republican that identify as libertarian, so they don't agree on social issues nearly as much as they do on fiscal and economic ones.

          • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @01:40PM (#57518805)
            ask "Should the Baker be FORCED" then you'll get a lot of 'No's'.

            ask "Should the Baker be allowed to refuse service" and you'll get a lot of 'No's'

            The end result is the same. LGBTQs are denied access to a public resource (in this case a publicly available bake shop).

            Me? I just replace the word "LGBTQ" with "White Male Christian" and if I would say "that shouldn't be allowed" then there's my answer. Once you can use religion to discriminate you can do damn near anything. It'll start with baking cakes and end with riots and apartheid. [google.com]
            • by e3m4n ( 947977 )

              bullshit. A store owner has the right to refuse service regardless. These fucktards justify throwing out cabinet members from restaurants but its OK to force a baker to bake a fucking cake? The people who filed that suit went to TWENTY bakers BEFORE they found a baker that said NO. There is no shortage of bakers baking damn cake. You cant have it both fucking ways. Fine.... Im going to go around demanding NAMBLA cakes... see where that shit goes.

              • by e3m4n ( 947977 )

                Even better, lets all get WAR ON WOMEN cakes

                WAR ON WOMEN
                Putting bitches in their place since 1787

                lets see how many bakers refuse to make that!!! Then file suit and appeal to the Supreme Court and site case law (it will never make it that far, the ruling covers ANY refusal)

              • To be ideologically consistent, you'd also have to support the right to refuse service to blacks. Or whites. Or non-Christians. Can a business refuse service to those other groups? You seem to think number of alternative options matters; how many of a service must be within what radius to count? And pedos aren't a protected group, no matter how much 4chan tries to troll people with LGBTQIAP. Race, sexual orientation, religion... those are protected groups.
                • by djinn6 ( 1868030 )

                  I've yet seen a good argument why "Race, sexual orientation, religion" are protected, but other intrinsic properties, such as height and weight are not. And how is pedophilia not a sexual orientation?

          • You just negated your argument when you said "Same means Same" and the minority + coalition rule. In your case a non-popular minority can never achieve "Same mean Same" status. If "Same means Same" means a living/breathing homosapien stripped of color/religion/lack of religion/sex orientation-attraction/gender/weight/height/eye color/hair color/etc then you have me. We need to ignore or tolerate the stuff we don't like more.
            • by e3m4n ( 947977 )

              thats my point... making laws to give people extra perks as a make-up only, in the long term, makes equality impossible. Not everything is discrimination. Sometimes rules just suck. Sometimes, shit lets be real, often, I deal with a real hassle of rules that make things suck. I have to jump through hoops just to get something I need. Making a rule that gives minority X head-of-the-line treatment does not create equality. If a 'white privileged male' experiences hassle or problems getting something done, the

    • The trolls get old fast, but there are others on YouTube from the UK that now has entered politics. I have no idea if their combined subscriber base of over 1mil, will be enough to change elections.

      If you have 1 million followers only 1000 will vote for someone just because you told them to. How is this different to newspapers editors endorsing a candidate? How many elections has that changed? As bad as society is people won't just vote for someone because "someone on You Tube" told them too.

      You will have people on one medium endorsing one candidate, a rival on another medium endorsing another candidate, it all cancels out.

      Before you say "but people are sheep and do whatever they're told by you tub

      • by lgw ( 121541 )

        It's a bit different when it's not just "endorsement" but "reasoned argument and debate". Appeals to tribalism, which is most of modern politics, is great for getting out the vote but as you say it's a marginal effect.

        Actually persuading independent voters with reasoned argument is what these YouTubers potentially bring. Does that actually work, though? Hard to say, as when's the last time we saw a political "debate" that was anything but candidates reciting prepared statements?

    • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

      Playing the popularity game, throwing shite from the sidelines, sure fun. Being in the game and having shite thrown at you and your ignorance on public display, well, watch a youtube career go up in flames. Ego and greed, a sure set up for being busted for corruption, how about a betting pool on how many months it takes.

  • FTFS (Score:2, Funny)

    by nwaack ( 3482871 )
    "Brazilian Breitbart. Or maybe it's like the American tea party." - He sounds right wing, I'm surprised YouTube, in all its progressive wisdom, didn't shut that right the hell down! Think of the children and such...
  • Communism is the dictatorship of the proletariat.
    Democracy becomes more and more the dictatorship of the proles.

    • Ummm... WTF are you talking about. Or rather, since you clearly don't know that prole is short for proletariat, learn more before you speak.

    • Democracy is a governmental one. The two aren't related.

      You're reciting a right wing talking point meant to give Democracy a bad name. Somebody wants to turn you into a fascist so they can take your stuff. Now you just have to figure out who.
  • by Oswald McWeany ( 2428506 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @11:21AM (#57517787)

    Isolated cases where You Tube may or may not have influenced elections does not mean that You Tubers in general have all that much power. I really doubt many people will vote XYZ just because someone on You Tube told them to.

    • by cascadingstylesheet ( 140919 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @11:28AM (#57517843) Journal

      Isolated cases where You Tube may or may not have influenced elections does not mean that You Tubers in general have all that much power. I really doubt many people will vote XYZ just because someone on You Tube told them to.

      And why should we care if someone on YouTube "influences" an election anyway?

      We're supposed to "influence" each other politically by communicating ... that's literally how its supposed to work.

      Sure beats influencing each other via violence, firing people for their political opinions, and other popular methods of the day.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by e3m4n ( 947977 )

      dont give millennials that much credit. Just listen to the stupid shit that Cortez person keeps uttering without exhibiting even the least bit of comprehension of basic math and accounting. Everything is about taxing the rich to pay for everything instead of trying to make things cost less so they dont bankrupt the country. Take her healthcare approach. Everyone wants to give other countries as examples of universal healthcare. You know what those countries DONT have? Doctors making 7 figure salaries and b

    • Assuming Voter Suppression doesn't shut them down the young'uns they're gonna come back with a vengeance. Their completely weighted down by debt. Usually that means they'll want progressive policies.

      OTOH they might just turn against the old folks. Demand an end to Social Security, Medicare, shutting down the VA & military pension programs, etc, etc. Hard to say.

      But given how screwed they are (they make 20% less than baby boomers with more education) they're gonna be more political, Youtube or no
  • well (Score:4, Insightful)

    by cascadingstylesheet ( 140919 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @11:22AM (#57517795) Journal
    Now you know that if the politics were of a different slant, this would be celebrated.
  • by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @11:24AM (#57517821) Journal

    I, for one, welcome our new Pewtie Pie overlords.

  • Again, good for them.

    Of course I'm just waiting for every politician to host their own youtube channel because some social media ninja told them that is the way to win elections. Maybe if were lucky they will put all their efforts into youtube and stay out of tv and news so I don't have to skip through the political ads anymore.

    Then of course the fake politically Russian youtube channels will be blamed for their candidate loosing that election too.

    My head hurts, I'm going to go lay down for a while.
  • How many of these idiots are popular because their message and popularity are amplified by those that would gain from their idiocy?
  • Nothing new 40 years ago it was the “disenfranchised youth” – US educated I might add – that overthrew the Shaw of Iran and plunged the country into Sharia law. Taking a country from a global educational and social leadership roll to a terrorist theocracy.
    The problem with attempting to equate 3rd world behaviors(ie, what happens in Brazil) to the US is that people under 30 don’t vote in the US and for the most part, are so busy watching themselves on Instagram, they don't th
  • Buzzfeed? Seriously? Is this the same Buzzfeed that had such extreme confidence in predicting the results of the 2016 election -- with 0% accuracy?
  • The question should be is this is the end of leftism and identity politics no longer hold absolute power? I hope so.
    • by GameboyRMH ( 1153867 ) <gameboyrmh.gmail@com> on Monday October 22, 2018 @12:29PM (#57518311) Journal

      If you don't like identity politics, you REALLY won't like the modern right with their constant appeals to the straight white male persecution complex/privilege loss anxiety.

      And I think this is less likely the end of leftism than it is the violent, desperate death throes of the right as a mainstream political force. Leftism hasn't become any less common or made any sudden moves in the last few years. It's the right that has taken off its gloves and mask, taking the complacent left by surprise, even as it has become less common. Leftism appears to be losing right now because it's still marching in formation against an enemy that's suddenly started using ISIS-level guerilla tactics.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by sinij ( 911942 )
        I don't agree with your analysis, I think weaponized identity politics was invented on the left. Concepts like intersectionality, white privilege and so on are all products of the left. Just look at how many things are now considered racist acts and how trivially easy it is to accuse someone of racism as part of political fight about any topic.

        I think it is wishful thinking on your part to think that mainstream could somehow be in a death throes - after all masculinity, heterosexuality, and to a degree w
        • The right wing took over the Democratic party. It happened when Clinton moved the party right to win the presidency (he needed a ton of money and couldn't get the big money donations without selling us out). Take Al Franklin, a real lefty. He was shut down by Kamala Harris and other right wing women to pave the way for her presidential bid.

          Speaking as a White guy, White Privilege is real. Us White Guys are painfully aware of it. We've had decades of preferential treatment in loans, school admissions, jo
          • by sinij ( 911942 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @06:22PM (#57520673)
            White privilege is an idiotic concept. It is group identity forced on individuals. That white hobo Vietnam vet living under the bridge and burning trash in a barrel to stay warm in the winter and try to explain to me how he is somehow has more privilege than, for example Oprah Winfrey? While you are at that, also explain to me how patriarchy could be worked into all that.

            Another problem is who exactly counts as white. Are Irish white? Are recent Eastern European immigrants white? Are pale-skinned Latinos white? Are pale skinned Turks and Arabs are white? Are Jewish people are white? Are Chinese white? Do they all have the same white privilege?

            At least I agree with you that Democratic party today has f-all to do with progressiveness or classical liberalism. I don't know who to blame this on, I think it is much more complex than "Clinton did it". However, I know that all that effort currently being spent on identity politics is a wasted effort while real issues, like catastrophic wealth inequality or collapse of unions, go undressed.
          • Speaking as a White guy, White Privilege is real. Us White Guys are painfully aware of it. We've had decades of preferential treatment in loans, school admissions, job interviews and the like. I'm not going to argue this point, it's a historic fact. Go google a bit and educate yourself.

            And by and large, we all decided those things weren't right and everyone should be treated equally. But SJWs decided equality wasn't good enough, and preferential treatment should be kept but the groups who receive it swapped. It's perfectly rational that this gets a lot of pushback, as the underlying principle, that discrimination is ok as long as it's against the right people, is fundamentally flawed and has no place in a just society. Compounding this is the complete and utter refusal to accept any expla

  • by guruevi ( 827432 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @12:19PM (#57518253)

    Off course it comes from Buzzfeed, the left's Breitbart but just because someone has a platform you do not agree with or understand, does not make it bad, fake, non-existent.

    Going through YouTube and similar platforms is just the modern equivalent of sending out flyers in your mailbox and placards in your yard.

    Not sure what this guy's message is per se, but the left's lunatic identity politics is turning off young men and working people across the world. You can't just re-categorize an entire population of people with mental disorders as "freedom fighters" and hope that it works.

  • ... why YouTube, Facebook, et. al. aren't treated like the public square that they are?

  • ...and it didn't turn out very well.
  • Ever since we no longer require facts or a general understanding that that is only 1 reality, pretty much anyone could win if they have the charisma and dollars.
  • by fbobraga ( 1612783 ) on Monday October 22, 2018 @03:04PM (#57519305) Homepage
    Kim Kataguri and MBL are just a small part of the problem, here in Brazil: the likely new president, Jair Bolsonaro, is "an YouTuber": he just spread videos from his social networks, but he already tell everyone that he will not participate on TV debates - more info: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/1... [nytimes.com]
  • Does anyone else read "YouTuber" and think of potatoes?

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