NYC Votes To Set Minimum Pay For Uber, Lyft Drivers (arstechnica.com) 134
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: On Tuesday, New York City's Taxi and Limousine Commission voted to set a minimum pay rate for Uber, Lyft, and other on-demand ride-hailing drivers. The new rate will be set at $17.22 after expenses, or $26.51 per hour gross. New York is believed to be the first city in the nation to implement such a pay floor. Four months ago, the Big Apple also imposed a cap on the number of such vehicles in the city. The Independent Drivers Guild, a local affiliate of the Machinists Union, advocated for the change. Meanwhile, Uber has already put out a statement saying that increased driver earnings "will lead to higher than necessary fare increases" and that the new rules do not adequately take into account "incentives or bonuses forcing companies to raise rates even higher." "Today we brought desperately needed relief to 80,000 working families. All workers deserve the protection of a fair, livable wage and we are proud to be setting the new bar for contractor workers' rights in America," Jim Conigliaro, Jr., founder of the Independent Drivers Guild, said in a statement.
NYC Votes To Kill Uber, Lyft Drivers (Score:5, Insightful)
Uber and Lyft are dead if their drivers actually get paid. Currently, drivers for both Uber and Lyft make negative money if they have to pay for fuel or vehicle maintenance.
Re: NYC Votes To Kill Uber, Lyft Drivers (Score:1)
since each drivers costs are variable, how can they even begin to measure this?
oh, right, I forgot...ignoring overhead. key to the Uber/Lyft business model from the beginning.
Re: NYC Votes To Kill Uber, Lyft Drivers (Score:1)
$26/hr seems really high for just driving a car. Is that rate only applicable while a passenger is inside? Meaning their average hourly rate is actually lower?
Re: NYC Votes To Kill Uber, Lyft Drivers (Score:1)
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Unless a driver is quite methodical and determines all costs long term, the drivers barely make enough money to be profitable.
"Quote methodical".... you mean like a cab driver?
Gross - costs = net. It ain't that hard.
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It's kind of ... insane that uber is bleeding so much money. Well until you consider what they're spending on politics because of how corrupt the system is.
Especially give the rather larger % of all the billing they do that goes directly in their pocket for having a relatively (well, comparatively) simple app. Granted, it did cause some massive changes to the taxi industry which has now found a good strategy to fight back. After all, who can argue about minimum pay for drivers? That's good, right? Oh,
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This whole prohibition on felons doing anything just serves to perpetuate criminality. If someone's has a felony conviction for fraud, weed possession, or similar, and has completed their sentence, we should not be taking away any possibility for them to earn a living. Yeah, background checks should screen out those who would potentially harm passengers, but that's it.
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You can literally go ahead and look it up, or ask anyone who has driven for Uber or Lyft. The "gig economy" is almost always a scam.
taxi system + cell phone plan reimbursement! (Score:2)
taxi system + cell phone plan reimbursement!
Why lie about this? (Score:4, Insightful)
Currently, drivers for both Uber and Lyft make negative money
How do we all know you are lying? Two ways:
1) What idiot would work for a day for negative money? Yes there remains tons of Lyft and Uber drivers. Therefore, you are lying.
2) Every Uber or Lyft driver I have talked to (and I talk to all of them) make a fair amount of money, most of them love the job because it's a way they can make extra money and they get to choose when and how often to work. They can easily control for higher rates by choosing to work mostly during peak times where surge pricing nets them a lot more. Therefore, you are lying.
Drivers make not make much at times but all of them are savvy and now how to work the system so they are doing much better than "negative money".
If you want something approaching negative money, try being the owner of.a once valuable taxi license...
Re:Why lie about this? (Score:5, Insightful)
1: There are plenty of idiots who work for negative money. They do so because they don't realize that they're paying for the increased maintenance and wear on their car. The cost is externalized to the point that they don't realize it exists.
2: They are stupid and / or lying. Go ahead and look up any internet article on the subject. Further, taxi medallions are hugely profitable. Buying into one after Uber / Lyft came into the scene and eschewed all the laws would have been moronic and a huge loss. But actual owners of those medallions are still making obscene amounts of money.
The only way to "work the system" is to get a ton of tips (Uber didn't even let people tip via the app for the longest time, and were shamed into allowing it), or drive for both Uber and Lyft at the same time and pickup double / fake fares when Uber / Lyft are handing out free rides to customers. This was a huge scam recently, and it was reported even here on Slashdot.
As usual, you don't know shit. Now I see why that AC troll goes around posting all that shit about you.
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No, it's totally valid. Especially is it's a side job and you have a regular commute. You see that car depreciation and maintenance expense, but you can't quantify how it affects your bottom line very easily. In this case externalized means external to your business budget and perceived profit/loss.
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https://www.marketwatch.com/st... [marketwatch.com]
â Uber drivers typically collect $24.77 per hour in passenger fares.
â From that, Uber takes $8.33 in commissions and fees, about a third of all passenger fares.
â Vehicle expenses like gas and maintenance cost drivers about $4.87 per hour, Mishel determined, even after tak
Re: Why lie about this? (Score:1)
Most people aren't good at calculating hidden costs, or costs too far in the future. For example a friend drives Uber and has been putting an additional 30k miles on her car. When I asked if she had figured that into her costs she said no, because she would eventually have to get oil changes, new tires, brakes, etc. eventually regardless. I told her yes, but she has to do it three to five times sooner and more often. I also mentioned that the mileage is causing her car to depreciate faster, and none of that
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The IRS has already figured this out "on average".Look up whatever the current IRS mileage reimbursement rate per mile is. At the end of your day driving for uber/lyft subtract the total miles driven x whatever the IRS reimbursement rate is from the total fares you made for the day. If the result is a negative number you are loosing money driving for uber/lyft. Obviously this IRS rate isn't exact if you are driving your ford excursion to drive for uber/lyft you are pissing away that much more money per mile
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BTW the current rate for 2018 is 54.5 cents per mile. If you are driving around an average of 40 miles each hour, picked up 4 fares that neted you $40 in "wages" from uber/lyft that hour, you just threw away $21.8 on wear/tear/consumables for your vehicle. Then add in the fact that in a few years when you vehicle is no longer eligible to drive for uber/lyft cause of age you will be getting significantly less for it as a trade in to purchase your new car due to all the extra mileage you have racked up over t
Re: Why lie about this? (Score:4, Informative)
Oh AC...you so silly. But let's work out the math here.
Even just taking the start of what you wrote: You drove for 1 hour, grossed $40, netted ~$20 and are ahead of the $17 minimum in TFA.
But also, that's the write-off which typically is higher than actual cost and DOES INCLUDE the vehicle cost/depreciation/fuel/etc. The whole point of that rate per mile is the actual, total cost to be driving the vehicle. Lets break that down a bit:
For 12k miles it's $545/month.
For 24k miles it's ~$1100
For 48K miles (typical for a full time uber/lyft driver) that's $2200
Now, $2200 is your IRS approved cost write-off. If your actual costs are lower, it's more money in your pocket. Working backwards from there:
4k miles / 25mpg * $3/gal fuel = $600. This depends on your vehicle and gas prices but uses current fuel and 2016 MPG numbers. A prius will be less.
$20k - average price for a 3 year old car or ~$400/month over 5 years - actual depreciation will be *less* than this of course
$200/month insurance - varies significantly by location, but even doubled this is easily viable.
That leaves a full $1000 a month for maintenance which is overkill so your tax deductions will net you ~30% back on whatever of this you don't spend. Conservatively, that's at least a few grand in your pocket per year.
So after working all that out, you're still making $40k per year including full depreciation of the vehicle in 5 years and all maintenance/fuel.
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1) What idiot would work for a day for negative money? Yes there remains tons of Lyft and Uber drivers.
If the cost of not working is even more negative money, then it may be acceptable for a time.
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I beg to differ. I know several highly intelligent people who drive for Lyft. A friend of mine drives part-time in his Bolt for extra income when he has time.
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They donÃ(TM)t take into account the wear, tear of their POV
First as an aside, I would like to point out Slashdot's new level of input nuttiness in how it converted your "don't" to include the TM!!
But in response to your actual response - that part may be a bit fuzzy, but they do get to write of milage on the car as a business expense, and that should cover we are and tear on most vehicles. Most modern vehicles are actually pretty sturdy and you can't be driving some goldbeater working for Lyft/Uber.
Re: Why lie about this? (Score:4, Informative)
So unless they setup as an LLC, register a business name, and register for a DOT number that's on the vehicle, how can they write that off as a business expense. If they don't, they are NOT as business and are not employees of Uber / Lyft (well at least not historically in most places).
Standard "self-employed" IRS forms (Schedule C as I recall) allow one to account for business use of a car.
Here is what H&R block says about it: https://www.hrblock.com/tax-ce... [hrblock.com]
To deduct vehicle expenses, you can use standard mileage or actual expenses. For either method, keep a log of the miles you drive for your business. Both methods allow self-employed tax deductions for tolls and parking fees.
If you use the standard mileage rate, you can only deduct the mileage at a standard rate. For 2017, the rate is $0.535.
Over the past few decades, with three different vehicles, of various ages (new through 14 years of age), I have had a couple of years where the actual expenses have come close to the standard mileage rate, but usually the standard rate is higher (and easier to track). Usually for me business use of the vehicle has been under 10% of the total use, which is much less than a ride sharing vehicle would be.
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Standard "self-employed" IRS forms (Schedule C as I recall) allow one to account for business use of a car.
That's true. But being self-employed also means paying all of your social security tax. That's about 7% more off the top than an employee pays. And of course it means no benefits. The primary scam of Uber and Lyft is to hire lackey employees and call them contractors, thereby saddling them with those extra expenses.
Also, that deduction doesn't come close to covering the cost/maintenance/gas for a car. You're only counting gas and repairs. On an older car repairs are very expensive. Buying a new car is very expensive. You can't use your car for business very long before you need to account for those expenses. Schedule C deductions are a help, but only a help.
A very valid point about being a contractor vs an employee in terms of benefits and taxes.
However unless I am misunderstanding your point, you are incorrect about the deduction not covering all the costs. If using the actual expenses rather than the "standard per mile", it does in fact cover all of the actual expenses - fuel, maintenance, depreciation, tires, insurance, registration - everything. If you buy a car, use it for a few years, then sell it - all of your expenses and costs (less the final sales p
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"So unless they setup as an LLC, register a business name, and register for a DOT number that's on the vehicle, how can they write that off as a business expense."
You don't have to be a LLC with a registered business to be self employed and write off expenses.
Meh, if you can't pay a living wage (Score:1)
It's not a wage (Score:2, Troll)
A wage is fixed, regular payment. Uber doesn't pay a wage; the job isn't designed as full-time work. There are lots of jobs that aren't. That's why they're gigs.
What should the hourly rate of a paperboy who works 14 hours/week be? Or a wedding photographer? Or a drummer who only plays on weekends?
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What should the hourly rate of a paperboy who works 14 hours/week be? Or a wedding photographer? Or a drummer who only plays on weekends?
Actually, this is relatively straightforward to look up. The concept of the gig economy is based on small increments of committed work (e.g. single ride) vs. larger, and typically time-based, commitments of a normal job (e.g. 2 hour shift). Gigs are also typically infrequent, irregular work.
There's a grey area when gigs aren't gigs anymore...such as when you're driving 40+ hours a week. Uber wants to keep considering it a gig because that benefits them immensely, but the reality of the situation requires
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Should employers have to pay enough for someone to live where they work? What about a corner store on the upper West side of Manhattan where rents could run six, seven figures annually?
What if the job you need doing isn't worth that much? What if you could use help at your business, but it's only worth $30k/y to you and you live somewhere where a "living wage" would be $45k/y?
What about part-time workers? Do they get a living wage despite working 20 hours a week
NY Uber and Lyft drivers (Score:5, Informative)
I have a good friend driving for both in NYC. He is driving a 4 or 5 year old car (he bought it I think 2.5 years ago). He makes about $50,000/year driving. He has a part time restaurant job, as well.
He bought the car specifically to drive for Uber (and later started Lyft). He has been paying extra on the car. It is nearly paid off now. The car has paid for itself, including all maintenance and insurance, and gas. The money left over paid part of his rent (he only rents a room, but still pays too much). The remainder of the rent and his other expenses are covered by the restaurant gig.
In another year he will have the car free and clear and will (probably*) still be making money with it. In the meantime, he has had use of the car for a couple of years. This is not negative money.
*: Don't get me started on Uber's long-term survivability.
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I have a good friend driving for both in NYC. He is driving a 4 or 5 year old car (he bought it I think 2.5 years ago). He makes about $50,000/year driving.
You didn't mention how many hours he's working for that money. If its 40 hours a week * 52 weeks he's grossing $24/hr, which is close to the proposed floor.
A few comments:
The regulation is assuming a net after expenses of $17.22, which is $35K/yr pre-tax (at 40hrs/week). That's not really livable in NYC.
From https://careertrend.com/how-ma... [careertrend.com], a typical NYC cab driver
- drives 12 hours/day. At that rate before expenses your friend would be grossing $16/hr
- drives 47K miles/year, of mostly rough city stop/s
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I know he's not driving 40 hrs. He was driving crazy hours when he started, but slowed down to something reasonable when he saw he was gonna be ok on money. Not sure how many hours he's doing now.
As far as this regulation, I don't really have an opinion. I was just responding to the poster who said they are making negative money.
Re:NY Uber and Lyft drivers (Score:4, Interesting)
I don't think you live in NYC...
$35k/yr definitely isn't livable in NYC, but at the same time is totally is. It takes a different approach and many people in NYC accept that (or get NYCHA housing and live for almost free).
The $17/hr minimum is considerably (+24%) higher than the NYC minimum wage of $13/hr set about a year ago.Guaranteeing that wage to someone working a highly flexible, self-directed job with effectively no boss is actually ... strange. Well, until you realize the taxi commission is working to destroy uber in NYC and get their control back.
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He makes about $50,000/year driving. The money left over paid part of his rent
So after expenses it doesn't even cover all of rent? I know rent is high in NYC but $50k only pays part of rent? Or are you confusing gross revenue with net profit (income)?
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I use Uber every time I travel for business.
The price for the ride is irrelevant because it is expensed to the company. I don't use Uber to save me money, I use it because it works, its reliable, and its an app I know and understand and works in most major cities worldwide. I do not have the time or patience to install local taxii ride-hailing apps for every city I visit. Uber works everywhere.
Do not underestimate how many of "me" there are. Business users - who really do not care much about the price - are
Higher than necessary pay incnreases? (Score:4, Interesting)
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In other words, "paying drivers that much will make our service affordable to many of our riders."
In Pete's words, "For crying out loud, butt out. If drivers are being paid too little, they'd stop driving. Just how dumb do you think the drivers are?
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And cars will kill horse and buggy vehicles if they aren't "regulated to compete fairly", as you say.
That's not a reason to regulate them, though. Taxi services will die either because they aren't as good for their customers as other services, or else because they are being propped up by artificial restrictions on competition from their political buddies, or both. Either way, they should die already so we can all be better off in the long run.
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They're better in a couple ways:
(1) You can hail a cab even without a cell phone, or with a phone with a dead battery.
(2) The transaction is anonymous. You can pay cash and keep your privacy.
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Great, then by your theory, traditional cabs which work that way have nothing to worry about from the competition of ride share companies, right? Like I said, if they aren't as good for customers, they'll die. If customers like them, they'll stick around. Either way, there's no need to artificially limit their competition.
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Ah yes, the good old, "I know better what people need than they do." Good to see the instinct towards dictatorship on the left is alive and well.
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You're not actually taking the internet to your destination, though. There is nothing new here other than a company got a bunch of cities to ignore that they're breaking the taxi laws.
Re:Higher than necessary pay incnreases? (Score:4, Interesting)
Limos don't follow taxi laws either. Calling it "ride sharing" doesn't help their case, but being a private hire vehicle not hailed from the street makes quite a bit of difference with the way most of the laws are written.
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Yes, they do. You're being an idiot-pedant, where you introduce a false pedanticism that tries to be correct by playing a word game.
The laws that regulate taxis regulate both taxis and limos, generally as separate things, because the use cases and regulatory needs are slightly different.
Don't be a dumbass who pretends to have a point, go out and find a point, and have one.
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Who's being the pedant now? You're saying that the rules for taxis and limos are both contained in the same long-form "law" but are entirely separate within it... That's about as pedantic as it can get, since the relevant thing here is that the rules are different for both.
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The big problem is that these services will kill Taxi services if these they are not regulated to compete fairly with Taxis. Then, after Taxi services are gone and we're reliant on Uber, you might just wish that were not so.
OK, let's play this out. I like Uber and the like because it's more convenient, pleasant, and cheaper than taxis. How exactly will I be sorry when taxis go out of business?
I assume you think that as soon as taxis go out of business, Uber and Lyft will raise prices. Well, as long as there's competition between the two (and electric scooters and rent-a-bike and Waymo self-driving cars and AirX flying cars and ...) they can't. And there always will be competition unless NYC squashes it.
I'm all for regulating t
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Let the free market operate.
We tried that. The free market decided that passenger safety was a low priority, well below getting costs down. Because the customers were also having their incomes forced down they were also forced to use the lowest cost taxis, and ended up getting robbed, assaulted, raped and murdered, or just dying in an accident.
Worst of all the taxpayer got to pick up the bill by having to support families that couldn't earn enough to survive, or pay to clean up the consequences of them not surviving. Crime, policing,
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We tried that. The free market decided that passenger safety was a low priority, well below getting costs down.
Let me rephrase that: passengers decided they'd prefer to pay a lower taxi fare than have a safer ride. OK, I don't ride taxis much so who am I to say they made the wrong choice?
Drivers decided that the money they made by driving was worth the risk of maybe getting held up. Further they decided the cost of protecting themselves against that risk wasn't worth it. Again, I don't drive a taxi so I have no idea if that was a good call.
Not to put too find a point on it but who are you to think you know better th
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No-one chooses the crap service, they are forced to use it because they can't afford better.
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I'm also a little lost how making it more difficult for ride sharing companies to operate enhances safety. The money for increased driver salaries will need to come from somewhere. That might be lower profits, higher fares, or reduced quality (and that might mean skimpier safety checks). How is this good for most people?
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Background checks and a robust monitoring/complaints system costs money to run.
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visit /r/uber on reddit and see for yourself.
Using uber is risking your life:
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/new... [nbcnewyork.com]
https://www.reddit.com/r/uber/... [reddit.com]
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Oddly enough, your first example doesn't even involve an Uber driver. So I'm not sure what the point is.
And the provenance of the second example is...questionable. Wow, two guys fighting. Were either or both Uber drivers? No telling, really. Yeah, it was so asserted by the poster, but so what? I can take a pic of my nephews fighting and call it a fight between Uber drivers (or an Uber driver and a Secret Service agent, or an Uber driver and a Russian gangster, or an Uber driver and a waiter at the lo
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This isn't about helping the drivers. It is about limiting competition with the taxi racket.
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This isn't about helping the drivers. It is about limiting competition with the taxi racket.
Exactly this. People outside of NYC don't realize what power the TLC used to hold over the city...it's withered greatly since the advent of Uber but they still wield enormous power and are trying to retain back some of their former glory. Today, a taxi strike is not nearly the crippling threat it was 20 years ago.
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In other words, "paying drivers that much will make our service affordable to many of our riders."
Wouldn't the service be less affordable if drivers were paid more?
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Yeah, same for those kids in overseas sweatshops. Who's to say that it's cruel and inhumane?
Re: Higher than necessary pay incnreases? (Score:2)
Yeah, Uber from the sirport to my place costs $25-$30, or $20-$25 if I walk outside the airport area before I get a ride.
The same ride in a taxi was $80-$100.
Let's assume Uber is a scam and only just breaking even, someone is still rakong in huge profits off the taxi service. Keep in mind that I might need a taxi to the sirport and at the other end to leave the airport, I'm paying $200 for 2 16 mile trips, to get to and from the airport for a $150 flight flight that travels 1,600 miles.
Porsche (Score:2)
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Sure, up to $9.29 an hour. That info was in the summary (although it did require subtracting the pay from the gross.)
Necessary for who? (Score:2)
Uber has already put out a statement saying that increased driver earnings "will lead to higher than necessary fare increases"
Necessary for who? In Uber mind, not for the drivers, obviously
For New York City (Score:2)
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Do you ever write "if you've got it, flout it"?
Strange bedfellows (Score:2)
This was advocated by the _Independent Drivers Guild_, a local affiliate of the _Machinists Union_....
How does that even happen? Kind of a strange combination of interests, is it not?
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Machinists operate machines. Cars are a type of machine (esp. when they were a new invention). Bigger unions usually mean more power.
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Unions sometimes have weird affiliations. For instance, when graduate students at the University of California organized, they formed a local of the United Auto Workers.
Student workers reach agreement with UC [dailycal.org]
If you enjoy watching a big liberal-on-liberal cat fight, there is nothing better than Union vs. University.
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Machine Shop is the place that makes a custom part to fix a commercial truck or trailer. They also have the press that is needed to replace wheel bearings. A Machinist is a person who operates the specific machines in Machine Shops.
All the mechanics with commercial customers either have a machinist on staff, or are the customer of a machine shop.
Taxi companies have their own auto mechanic shops. And independent drivers are often associated with an auto shop, and they may have the same owner.
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Time on call... pre travel time.. do they count? (Score:3)
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Only if you're an employee. In this case, you're just a really under-informed independent contractor bidding on losing propositions.
Of course they did. (Score:4, Insightful)
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Not necessarily. It might just cause an increase in rates that customers still pay because they prefer it to taxis. It might cause a decrease in riders and therefore a decrease in drivers.
If they did cease operations, it might actually reduce congestion.
Next Up (Score:1)
Headline should instead say (Score:2)
Headline should instead say, "NYC voters to set pay for Uber, Lyft drivers to zero". Because if Uber/Lyft withdraw, that's exactly what it's going to be.
This kind of shit is why I left (Score:1)
I was sick and tired of being robbed and abused by the state and every action they take has a negative side effect that they NEVER take into consideration. They selectively discriminated against me and others in my line of work as well because we didn't have a lobby at the state house and it resulted in a 7% reduction in my earnings. This is suppose to be for the good of the "poor", but in reality it'll end up negatively impacting people. I put up with this shit for a few years before I left and moved somew
Re:This kind of shit is part of why I left (Score:2)
Do NYC Taxi Drivers get minimum wage? (Score:2)
Would seem fair if both taxi and uber drivers got minimum wage. Usually, Taxi drivers (vs. owners) get skrewed worse than Uber ones, which is why they end up driving Uber.
Taxi and Limousine Commission is Voting, not NYC (Score:1)
The citizens of NYC are not voting
The elected representatives of the citizens of NYC are not voting
The voting is being done by unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats who have allegiances to the taxi and limousine industries.
This is just the beginning (Score:1)
The drivers also need 401k plans, medical and dental plans, paid vacation and sick leave, profit sharing, pensions, etc.
and why aren't uber/lyft taxi companies (Score:3)
Maybe somebody will finally explain to me why:
1 uber and lyft are, absolutely, taxi companies so why don't the cities simply slap the same regs on them as what are on taxis ?
2 ok, for some reason 1 doesn't apply. then taxi companies shouldn't exist.
uber/lyft are taxi companies, either regulate them as such or just do away with the idea of taxi regulation.
why do they keep treating them separately ??
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Because in NYC (and maybe other parts of the US), there's a difference between a taxi (unbooked/street-ordered) and a limo (pre-booked). Taxis are colored/marked in certain ways and pick up riders when called from the sidewalk. Limos (or any pre-ordered/booked such service) are ordered via phone calls. They can't pick up people off the street if flagged down and don't wear taxi markings. (Conversely, however, taxis can be called for pickups.)
Uber and Lyft are using apps to make prearranged orders for a
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Because its not the regulations thats the issue. Uber could easily comply with if given a chance. I mean have you been in a cab in NYC recently?
The issue is the Taxi medallions. They limit the supply and allow for higher prices to be charged. Thats all this is about in the end.
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The original theory was that taxis which pick random people up off the street are different to services that are booked over the phone, which at a minimum collect and identifying phone number and probably payment details as well. Booked services also don't clog up the streets with waiting taxis in busy areas.
Before sat nav existed taxi drivers had to have very good knowledge of the city too, especially for mazes like London. Booked services could in theory plan the route before hand with a map so the requir
Impractical... (Score:2)
This is clearly impractical. If you're driving for a ride-sharing company, how many rides are you taking? Where are you working? Do you drive efficiently or inefficiently? How can this map to any particular wage?
Some drivers work for both Uber and Lyft. How do you prove they are refusing rides for one service, because they are currently transporting someone for the other service? Or do they get double the minimum wage?
This looks like an attempt to force ride-sharing services into the taxi service model, whe
Minimum pay? (Score:2)
How does free market? (Score:1)
Firstly, why is taxi and limousine services dictating how ride sharing works?
Secondly this service operates differently than they do, how can they demand a minimum wage? That's not even how this works.
How can they demand such an astronomical rate? Look that's great for the driver, but you cant just monkey around with business models and the market in that way, if they don't want to drive Uber they DONT HAVE TO. Then the system will adjust itself to what people are willing to get paid and willing to pay. Cl
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