Europe -- not the US or China -- Publishes the Most AI Research Papers (qz.com) 141
The popular narrative around artificial intelligence research is that it's mainly a war between China and the United States. Not so fast, says Europe. From a report: New data released today (Dec. 12; PDF file) by the AI Index, a project to track the advancement of artificial intelligence, shows a trend of Europe releasing more papers than either the US or China. The data was assembled from Scopus, a citation database owned by scientific publishing company Elsevier. If the current trend continues, China will soon overtake Europe in the number of papers published. The number of papers out of China grew 17% in 2017, compared to a 13% increase in the US, and 8% in Europe.
Europe boasts top universities doing work in AI, such as Oxford, University College London, and ETH Zurich, in addition to being home to branches of tech companies like Google, Microsoft, and Amazon. Alphabet's DeepMind operates out of London, and French president Emmanuel Macron has been particularly bullish on AI in Europe. Since being elected in 2017, he has already laid out initiatives to bolster the amount of research and corporate AI stationed in France. [...] The AI Index report credits the huge 70% increase in Chinese AI papers in 2008 to a government program promoting long-term research in artificial intelligence through 2020.
Europe boasts top universities doing work in AI, such as Oxford, University College London, and ETH Zurich, in addition to being home to branches of tech companies like Google, Microsoft, and Amazon. Alphabet's DeepMind operates out of London, and French president Emmanuel Macron has been particularly bullish on AI in Europe. Since being elected in 2017, he has already laid out initiatives to bolster the amount of research and corporate AI stationed in France. [...] The AI Index report credits the huge 70% increase in Chinese AI papers in 2008 to a government program promoting long-term research in artificial intelligence through 2020.
We are falling behind... (Score:3, Funny)
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I did, see my sig. Next!
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You are mocking me...
And I like it!
- Tablizer
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Were Americans, We implement we don't do research. We will wait for an AI research paper on having AI write AI Research Papers and we will implement an army of computers to write Research papers for us and we will be #1 again.
Re:We are falling behind... (Score:5, Funny)
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I just outsource my AI paper publishing to the Chinese.
That's nothing [dilbert.com] ... I just outsource my AI paper publishing to AI itself.
(What good is AI if it can't write research papers???)
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In Soviet Russia, AI writes you!
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What we need is an AI that can write papers (on AI).
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How do you know the bots posting to this thread aren't actually paper-writing AI bots that are bored out of their code loops?
Re:We are falling behind... (Score:5, Informative)
If you look at high impact AI research, the leader is not the US, Europe, or China.
It is Canada.
Geoff Hinton is at the University of Toronto. Yoshua Bengio works in Montreal. Univ of BC has been a leader in computer vision. Most of the seminal work on deep learning, GANs, etc. was done in Canada.
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Right up there with the creator of Eliza.
How many 9 dan Go grandmasters have been defeat by Eliza?
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Every one that played Eliza, I presume. You can't win the game Eliza, and you can't defeat Eliza at a game she hasn't agreed to play.
It is like saying, "How many Go patzers have been defeated by a tuna sandwich?" Every single one of them that sat down at a Go board across from a tuna sandwich and thought they were playing Go. Those are all losses by self-goal.
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How do you feel about losses by self-goal?
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Why do you ask How many 9 dan Go grandmasters have been defeat by Eliza?
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So South Park was right about Canadians & Mormons taking over the world? Missionary bots with Canadian accents will soon be knocking on your door in the middle of dinner, handing out the Kindle of Mormon.
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That's the big lie in comparing a region to a country; the country is probably also part of a region, and the work may be distributed across certain borders without any barrier.
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You forget that Dr Nato guy, he's leading AI research in the South.
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I'm American and I'm sick and tired of Canadians bragging about goddam fucking AI.
Gordon Lightfoot, though ...
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So? James Taylor abused drugs.
He was in rehab with Suzanne and she died while a cleaned-up Taylor was on tour. Taylor's entire entourage made sure James did not find out, because he might've gone into a tailspin. They told him after the gig was done.
Just yesterday morning they let me know you were gone ... ...
Suzanne the plans we made put an end to you
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Ahh, so it is not the number of research papers, it is all about their quality. I am looking forward to the one, how to prevent your AI from going nuts or how to add a sense of humour to your AI and why it is necessary (taking into account the human cerebral thought algorithm function of a sense of humour), things like multiple limited function connected AIs versus a singular multifunction AI and why. Even better, why the Global internet is in fact already a very advanced AI 'in toto'.
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Geoff Hinton is British, living in Canada doesn't change that.
His work was done in Canada, at a public university funded by Canadian tax dollars, with Canadian grad students and Canadian postdocs.
Where he was born is irrelevant.
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Who is "we?" There is a unit mismatch in the premise.
Europe isn't a country, it is a region. When they decide to become a single country, then they'll be one.
To make this story honest, they need to add in Canada and Mexico to the US score. Then they'll have a reasonable comparison by region.
If China should be grouped with Australia and Japan or not, I don't know.
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Europe isn't a country, it is a region. When they decide to become a single country, then they'll be one.
When you look at the populations involved (about 500 mill for EU vs US 325 mill) it makes a lot more useful comparison rather than say the average European country (under 20 mill) since the US is over 16 times more populous than the average European country and landmass US is similar size to Europe. The UK (itself primarily made of four countries) for comparison is the size of the Carolinas.
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Population is an improvement, for sure. But it still leaves a lot of confounders that relate to the political borders.
It might make sense to use the whole economic regions, Europe vs North America, and then normalize by population. That would at least give a rough comparison.
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Or, one could examine the list of names tied to the Manhattan Project and see how "American," that is.
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I fed 1000 AI research papers to an AI, and you'll never believe what it came up with!
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Was it one weird trick that computer scientists don't want you to know?
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I think it is pretty awesome that 44 countries can separately compete against 50 separate states.
What is your exact point again?
Re:Who knew.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Borders are interesting, and not as fixed as people want to think.
The United States is a country, but each State is a State. for EU it isn't a country but a Union, which contains a bunch of countries which are most a single state.
The United Kingdom is a bunch of countries as well.
So in terms of comparison. the US, Europe (EU), and China have roughly the same land mass and have large economies.
So it makes more sense compare them that way vs. France vs the US. because it would be closer to compare France against New York.
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Borders are interesting
Ahh, but which border is the most interesting?
I vote for the border between Lithuania and the Kaliningrad Enclave.
This border has a very long history. For many centuries it was part of the border between the Russian Empire and "Europe" in the form Prussian Koenigsburg and the Holy Roman Empire.
Today, it still forms the border between Russia and "Europe" in the form of the European Union. So pretty boring, right? NO! Because, although the border is exactly the same, they have SWITCHED SIDES. Today, Russ
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I'd say it doesn't make sense to even compare them in the first place. "Most AI papers published" is just a penis measuring contest. Usually promulgated by people who don't work in AI, and are just looking for any way to use other people's accomplishments to stoke their own egos.
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And if you can't comprehend that you used the sequence of letters "state" to spell out two entirely different words, then you can just wave your hands around and say nothing using a lot of words.
It is actually because of the differences in meaning that the different words are used, and it is because of the difference in meaning that the different borders are chosen!
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Not at all. Those very difference are what aligns a typical US state to an entire country. Or are you saying that Arkansas and California are both identical in the USA? Because from any other country they effectively look like two different countries and sure as fuck act like it.
There's a reason the USA is called the United States and why those very states govern themselves and the power of the federal government is incredibly limited.
You can bullshit by drawing lines, but you can't make up new governance s
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Borders are interesting, and not as fixed as people want to think.
The United States is a country, but each State is a State. for EU it isn't a country but a Union, which contains a bunch of countries which are most a single state.
The United Kingdom is a bunch of countries as well.
You had me up until here.
The EU is a proper union of disparate states that agree to co-operate under common rules for trade, human rights, et al. including a system of justice for cross border cases.
The UK is a singular political entity under a with a unified parliament. The individual countries in the UK are more akin to the individual states in the US. They have varying degrees of legislative power but rarely can overrule the parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. S
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It's OK, USA (Score:4, Funny)
We're still leading the world in flying car research papers and cold fusion research papers. So when it comes to spending money on futuristic shit that will never actually happen in real life, America is still #1!
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Whaddya mean the US doesn't have flying cars? If you rear-end a Ford Pinto, it has a rocket engine for a split second. [popularmechanics.com]
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We're also leading the world in dumb-asses who think they know something sciencey but don't know that the tabletop cold fusion experiment was a success that has repeated over and over again. They're such incredible dumb-asses that they read about the biggest mystery in modern physics and they're all like, "Hurr durr hoax durrrrr that's impoisiboil"
We're leading the world in people who are willing to declare in writing that they're literate, but are incapable of understanding the details of published facts t
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tabletop cold fusion experiment was a success that has repeated over and over again
Do you have a non-crackpot reference?
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So? (Score:2, Informative)
"Europe boasts top universities doing work in AI, such as Oxford, University College London, and ETH Zurich, "
The last one isn't in the EU and the first 2 won't be in a couple of months.
Problem solved.
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Harvard, Yale, MIT, Princeton are no slouches either. And they are all within a couple hundred miles of each other.
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Don't forget the freedom to snub your nose to other people, with a smug sense of superiority.
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it's so much cheaper to just buy a prius and go vegan.
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And you don't even need Princeton if you remember to include Cornell :)
Re:So? (Score:5, Insightful)
I am sure the UK is not moving out of Europe, and last I checked, Switzerland was, and always has been in Europe!
Why do people always read "EU" when they see "Europe"?
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Why do people always read "EU" when they see "Europe"?
Please tell your American friends that EU is not the short form of Europe.
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Gosh you think? Maybe that's why the thing you quoted said "Europe" not "EU".
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The EU isn't any more a country than "Europe" is, though.
It is like calling NAFTA a country.
It is a region that cooperates closely on governance. We have that in North America, too.
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You're the only one in this discussion talking about the European Union. Everyone else is talking about Europe.
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Socialism is an economic system; communism is a political system. You appear to be mixing them up.
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They don't do CS, they send everybody who wants higher education to med school. Health professionals are their main export, so it seems a bit silly to try to make them look uneducated. Yeah, those dumb pinko Cubans, they're only smart enough to be medical doctors! LOL
Comparing Country or Continents? (Score:1)
And when did Europe become a country?
Europe... (Score:2)
Europe is an entire continent, the US and China are countries.
Re:Europe... (Score:5, Funny)
Currently the US is incontinent.
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"Allegedly"
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Europe is an entire continent, the US and China are countries.
This is arguable the most vapid thing on the thread and that includes that binary chap bragging incessantly about his ignorance.
China has twice the land area and 3 times the poplation of Europe. The fact that one is a continent and the other is a country is kind of immaterial.
And the US and Europe are very comparable. Similar population (Europe a bit larger), similar GDP (the US a bit larger), same level of industrialisation and so on and so fort
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Okay, Australia vs Antarctica
go!
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US has less academia more business (Score:2)
The US might have less universities doing AI research, but the US has vastly more and vastly bigger corporations putting a shitton more money into their AI programs.
Probably Microsoft, Google and Facebook alone invest several times more than all the european companies in the field.That means they basically, the US simply buys the finished students when they are done with their university papers all over the world. China would probably do the same, but it's harder for them to actually attract the scientists
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China doesn't need to import foreign brain power any more than any other country does. Sheesh. (Every economy benefits from mixing the pot to some degree, no matter how plush their own labour pool.)
Have you ever looked at the highschool math education data? (In related news, New York is going to found a new law school with not a single slack-ass Jewish law professor passing over the admittance bar of the inaugural faculty.)
Nor is there any great lack of commercial opportunity with Baidu and Alibaba rivaling
America will build Terminator (Score:2)
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Nope, SkyNet is a UK company. [skynetworldwide.com]
quality not quantity (Score:2)
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Google trains AI to write AI research (Score:2)
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Oh my goodness! They're about to cross the Avagadro Boundary!
It's almost as if properly funding (Score:2)
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your higher education system and providing government grants for research results in more science being done. I know, crazy talk, right?
In context of this article, then ... no. Not "more science". "more AI".
There are China-only research journal sites (Score:2)
Most of the indices we use don't incorporate the Chinese-only papers, just the ones published in English.
Come back when you actually count those.
Apples to Cart-of-Apples. (Score:2)
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China and US are countries. Europe is a frigging continent.
You do realise that despite being a "frigging continent" both the US and China are literally twice the size of Europe.
EU workers (Score:2)
Parts made in China.
AI in Europe is just another decade of the AI winter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Anyone who promotes #s = quality (Score:2)
The US could catch up ... (Score:2)
... if they used Trump's IQ as the "intelligence" goal post.
[I know I'll get modded down, and I think it's proper. I just don't like Trump. Excuse my manners.]
I guess that explains... (Score:1)