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Two Miles From Facebook's Headquarters, Working Poor Live In Trailers (mercurynews.com) 520

"The working poor are spilling into Bay Area streets for lack of safe, affordable shelter," report two Silicon Valley newspapers describing a "pop-up neighborhood" that's now banding together, "a small community of blue collar RV dwellers...fighting for the only place they can call home."

The beautifully-illustrated article begins with an interview with a grey-haired woman named Lisa Cosey-Steven: [D]espite steady work and little debt, she trudges back and forth to the office every day from a dark RV trailer, packed floor to ceiling with bags of clothes, pet supplies for her seven dogs, thriller novels and food. Cosey-Stevens, 63, has been parked on the shoulder of Bay Road in East Palo Alto, just about two miles from Facebook headquarters and some of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the country, since June. "No one knows how badly I want out of this," she said during an interview in her trailer. "It's depressing to live like this...."

She's part of an unplanned and impromptu RV park, about 80 people pushed out of apartments and into trailers and the edge of homelessness... Their neighborhood of about 50 RVs lines the eastern end of Bay Road and Tara Street, next to a stretch of salvage yards, warehouses and empty lots guarded by chain link fence. It's just off a thoroughfare for local tech employees and sits adjacent to the site of a new, multi-million dollar youth education center, Epacenter Arts. Several of the aging RVs have large banners draped over the sides, making pleas to the big employers in the area: "SOS -- Facebook, Sobrato, Amazon, Google."

The [RV Families Association of East Palo Alto] has a grand vision for East Palo Alto, a city steeped in activism and landlord-tenant disputes: to get a few acres donated by a major tech company to build an RV park with security, facilities and regular, affordable rent for low-income workers. But first, they're fighting City Hall to keep their homes. A proposed ordinance working its way through city government would ban most RVs from overnight parking on city streets.

"It's not like they're trying to be a nuisance to the city," says the mayor of East Palo Alto. "It's a survival thing. It's a strategy, a tactic to survive for a while."

"We are the working homeless," says a 57-year-old upholsterer and Navy veteran "who moved into his RV after his rent in East Palo Alto doubled to $4,000 a month." Another family lost their Redwood City apartment when their landlord increased the rent from $1,300 to $2,800 a month.
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  • and yet (Score:5, Insightful)

    by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @07:40PM (#57847290) Journal
    And yet cities continue to build new office buildings without building enough places for people to live, then wonder why there aren't enough places for people to live. When more people come without enough places to live, that will drive prices up: that is how supply and demand works.
    • Re: and yet (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @07:53PM (#57847340)

      Well duh, the people that own property continue to vote for no new housing to be built. They do not want their property to depreciate from adding more housing.

    • Re: and yet (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @08:01PM (#57847364)

      Cities in the US have actually abandoned constructing any buildings.

      Sorry! Any Rand got her way.

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      No city wants an over supply of low cost buildings. It reduces the "good" investment rent and ownership.
      Who wants to build a new building and have to offer low cost rents as the city is full of low cost rental places to live?
      Who wants to live with poor people? The crime and poverty moving into once good areas?
      Needing a top income by one person, two good incomes to rent keeps good parts of a city clean and safe. Investment ready.
      Much better to have too few places to rent that are good quality and keep
      • Re:and yet (Score:4, Informative)

        by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @09:01PM (#57847574)

        Who wants to live with poor people? The crime and poverty moving into once good areas?

        These are not poor people. In Silicon Valley, especially on the western side, there are people making $100k living in RVs and trailers.

        A common question at job interviews is whether we provide showers (we do) and laundry machines (we don't, but we provide a take-out service once a week).

        The "tax" a city can extract from the more wealth home owners is a plus for that kind of city planning too.

        Nope. Not in California. We have Prop 13, which means that young people with families pay far higher property taxes than their older and richer neighbors living in a nearly identical house.

        • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

          by AHuxley ( 892839 )
          When city planning cant plan for long term housing and normal people have to live in an RV they are poor.
          The problem is the "older and richer neighbors living in a nearly identical house". Stop trying to shape a city with demographics.
          Free up land use and let the free market move in.
          People who don't want to live in an illegal parked RV will then find homes as that demand for low cost housing exists.
          Areas of the city will face huge property taxes changes.
          Wealthy areas will stay wealthy and attract on
          • When city planning cant plan for long term housing and normal people have to live in an RV they are poor. The problem is the "older and richer neighbors living in a nearly identical house". Stop trying to shape a city with demographics.

            Free up land use and let the free market move in.

            This is all rather rich... free markets to the rescue....

            People who don't want to live in an illegal parked RV will then find homes as that demand for low cost housing exists.

            Oh what... so not free markets but actually rich convincing the state to wield its monopoly on violence to artificially protect the rich by keeping the poor down so rich are not inconvenienced by undesirables. Make up your fucking mind.

            • Re:and yet (Score:5, Interesting)

              by AHuxley ( 892839 ) on Sunday December 23, 2018 @12:59AM (#57848198) Journal
              Re "This is all rather rich... free markets to the rescue...."
              Hows that gov control with waste in the streets and people living in RV working for decades?
              Need another city and state tax to support the poor?

              Let the free market build some new housing by removing gov control over the number of new homes.
              The free market will fill released land by building homes that will sell in that area.
              Wealthy people get nice new homes. Rents will reflect the price the value of a nice area, that's clean and has no crime.
              Middle class areas get affordable homes.
              Poor areas get rent supported homes.
              Wealth keeps the different communities well apart and tech workers will enjoy their new homes.
              • Hows that gov control with waste in the streets and people living in RV working for decades?

                Need another city and state tax to support the poor?

                CA's racist corrupt government *IS* the primary problem. Government is actively standing in the way of the free market solving an acute housing problem.

          • The problem is the "older and richer neighbors living in a nearly identical house". Stop trying to shape a city with demographics.

            The problem is paying for things with property taxes. They should be paid for with income taxes. California tries to do this, but it still can't kick property taxes completely, which would be the only fair thing to do — on one's first dwelling. Commercial property can still be taxed, second+ homes can still be taxed, vacation homes etc. Any home that the owner or their immediate family occupies less than 50% of the year, that is. And the owner would still only get the taxes off of one residential prop

    • That is simply the unstoppable path of the new economy. We are now told that all the jobs have to be in one of the 10 "Superstar" cities in the USA, because good jobs can't exist in a metro area unless there are millions of people there, because they can only find good workers in those 10 cities. But that high pay only goes to the Rock Star employees. Empty the trash? Why should you deserve any more money than someone emptying trash in Kansas? The result is that housing is bought by the people making $150k

      • I guess part of the problem is the lack of stability. If you live in Kansas, you can probably find a job as a programmer. But can you find another one in two years when your company fails? Will your new company be as convenient (and close to your house) as your old company? These are important questions.
  • Seven dogs (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Spazmania ( 174582 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @07:41PM (#57847292) Homepage

    I'm supposed to feel sorry for someone who has seven dogs? Life choices man. She chose the expense of seven dogs over the expense of non-disgusting housing.

    • I'm sure those are all dogs that she rescued, it's not like she picked them out at the mall. And anyway, 7 dogs are maybe $150-$200/mo, and that's starbucks money.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

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    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @09:22PM (#57847634)
      you buy dry food in bulk and put them down if they get sick. Also, if you're a 63 year old woman living in a trailer you need a lot of dogs for protection. She could ditch every one of those dogs and wouldn't have the extra $2k/mo it takes to rent a tiny, dumpy apartment.

      And what's with all the non-stop poor shaming? Is this supposed to make you feel better about abandoning these folks to their miserable fate? Does it? Somewhere in the back of your mind it's gnawing on you, how you're letting fellow Americans live like shit. The Americans who do work you want done.

      Bottom line, You want those people to live near where you are so they can cook, clean and fix your plumbing but you'll be damned if you want to pay for them to have an OK life. When people bitch about "gentrification" that's what they're talking about. You know that's messed up, so you do crap like this to try and convince yourself it's their choice. Gives you an out, but like I said, it gnaws on you, doesn't it?
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Poor shaming is unrelated to doing math, working out a budget and understanding priorities ... which apparently this person and you don't understand.

        Apparently you'd rather whine then go help this woman understand what she can do to make better choices. Will whining or making better choices serve her better in the long run?

      • they dont get the avg rent is hitting 3/4,000$ a month in that area. because greedy land owners know people will pay it.
  • and prep land for developers. That's the expensive part of building homes, not throwing up a frame and some wiring/plumbing around it. Folks don't realize how heavily the US Government subsidized their lives in the 50s, 60s and 70s. The just took all that for granted. Land developers sure as hell aren't going to pay to get that land ready themselves, and since the government ain't paying anymore it's just not getting done. The result is massive housing shortages in a lot of places.
    • by kenh ( 9056 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @08:51PM (#57847542) Homepage Journal

      Horseshit.

      You made that up - gov't made cheap money available to buyers, and builders like Levit (Levittown) we're happy to drop thousands of nearly identical econo-boxes up to meet the demand. Nowadays, zoning regulation make it very hard to profit from low-end housing - tax subsidies and zoning requirements are the only reason any are built, at a loss, which is made up by the healthy margins McMansions give builders.

      • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @09:50PM (#57847718)
        you need the land graded, roads built, water, gas and electric lines run. You need police and fire departments. In otherwords, infrastructure. That's not billions, that's trillions of dollars in land development that was all done on the gov't's dime.

        Zoning regulations are a red herring. The rich got tired of paying for working class Americans to have decent homes. The only reason they had to for a time was post WWII the working class, having just got back from fighting a war, had gained a sense of entitlement. They felt owed something. Also a _lot_ of working age men died in that war, meaning labor shortages. So for a time they were better treated. Those times have passed, and we're back to where we were in the 1920s. Better tech at food production and a few depression era policies (social security & medicare, food stamps, etc) have masked some of that, but even those are under siege.

        What I don't get is why is it that confronting all this reality makes Americans so damned uncomfortable? It's not like anyone's gonna tax you to to the max. Odds are you're living paycheck to paycheck like the rest of Americans, and even if you've got a bit of savings it's not enough to matter. When it comes to raising taxes to pay for social programs it's the top 5% who would be the targets. And it's not like they'd lose much in the way of standard of living, what they're really lose is _power_.

        That's what you're defending when you post stuff like you did: a group of ultra-wealthy power mongers who's wealth has ceased being material and become raw power.
    • by Ichijo ( 607641 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @09:41PM (#57847686) Journal

      Folks don't realize how heavily the US Government subsidized their lives in the 50s, 60s and 70s...the government ain't paying anymore

      Actually, city governments heavily subsidize low-density housing for the affluent [strongtowns.org], wasting land on single-family residential homes that could be used for apartments which house more people, bring in more tax revenue per acre, and require less infrastructure per person [strongtowns.org]. Inefficient zoning is why housing is in such short supply and expensive [sightline.org], why cities have so much traffic [economist.com], and why cities have budget problems. [strongtowns.org] It's all a big mess, and government is the problem. Yes, much of it started after WWII [thedailybeast.com], with government-backed mortgages and the mortgage interest deduction, but these subsidies continue to exist to this day.

      And property taxes assessed on the value of the land perversely incentivize people to come out in droves to oppose anything that can raise the value of their properties. For example, relaxed height limits, minimum setbacks, maximum floor area ratios, and minimum parking requirements--these things all attract NIMBYs like flies to a feast. It's all one big, fantastic mess.

    • by swillden ( 191260 ) <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Saturday December 22, 2018 @10:10PM (#57847762) Journal

      Land developers sure as hell aren't going to pay to get that land ready themselves

      Utter nonsense. Land developers routinely do all of that prep themselves. They have to follow lots of government rules about how to lay out the streets, what access roads to build, how to build all of the wiring, plumbing and sewer infrastructure, etc., but it's the developers who foot the bill, not the city. As far as I can tell, it has always been that way, too.

      Obviously I'm not saying you should feel sorry for the land developers; they make great profits on their investments. But government doesn't do any of this.

      The result is massive housing shortages in a lot of places.

      Government is the cause of the housing shortages in the bay area, but because of the restrictions it imposes, not because of the things it fails to do. Developers would love to build lots of high density, multi-story housing in the area, but the city councils won't allow it, because they're in the pockets of the long-time residents who love the fact that the house they paid $30K for decades ago is now worth $2M.

      • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @11:26PM (#57847958)
        which is why the average price of a home is north of $200k but Median income's around $67k/yr.

        Residents don't care about property values. In fact they hate that their homes are "worth" $2M (more like $500k actually) because they can't afford the property taxes and they get forced out of the neighborhoods they spent their lives in.

        Nobody really wants to live in a high density multi-story building for very long. I don't think humans are wired for that. You can do that in your early to mid 20s, but when you decide you want kids it's not gonna fly. We're used to having open space. Kids need a place to play. With proper transportation and building that's not really necessary either. But it means more highways, more roads and more infrastructure spending, and that means taxes on the ultra wealthy. It means putting an end to the wealth inequality that's as bad as it was in the 20s now. It means taking all that absurd power the 1%ers have away from them.

        The question is, are guys like you gonna like the 1%ers have unlimited power, becoming the new kings? That seems to be the case. I'm not sure why you're doing it, I think you're just "kicking down", e.g. looking down on folks below your social standing to feel better about yourself. There's a saying I've heard before: if nobody's poor then nobody's rich. Thing is, that's an emotional thing, that desire to feel wealthy in the sense that you have more than other folks. It's being exploited to keep working class Americans at each other's throats. It's biting you in the ass. You're having everything taken away from you gradually and that's how the 1%ers are getting away with it. You might die before the worst of it happens (e.g. "I got mine, fuck you" school of economics) but if you're under 55 you won't. Nows the time to stop screwing around and shitting on the poor to make yourself feel better short term and actually solve the problems in your life and mine.

        Demand better. Demand a decent life for all Americans. Demand guarantees of that decent life. Remember: you can tell how good a society is by how it treats it's least members.
        • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

          by swillden ( 191260 )
          There's so much confusion and error in your post that I don't even know where to begin. In fact, I'm just not going to bother. You are unable to see things through any lens other than class warfare, so there's no point in trying.
        • "Nobody really wants to live in a high density multi-story building for very long."

          Speak for yourself, my brother. Having lived in all sorts of housing types, I _strongly prefer_ to (and do) live in a highrise building in a dense urban neighborhood. So do many of my friends and colleagues.

          If you prefer to live in a suburban crap shack, go for it! Have fun! But please remember there is great diversity of opinion about the best way to live.

  • we need more unions

    • >"we need more unions"

      No, we need more people willing to relocate to where jobs are more plentiful and housing is far more reasonable (oh, and taxes much lower, to boot). And there are plenty of such places outside of CA.

  • zone and build RV/Trailer parks on vacant city land.

  • by Benfea ( 1365845 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @08:41PM (#57847508)

    America has a growing problem with homeless people with full-time jobs, and it's worse in places like Silicon Valley, where all the tech yuppies have driven up real estate prices. The working class people with RVs are the ones who are doing pretty well as silicon valley has lots of wage-earners in much worse shape than that.

    It pains me to admit this, but the fact that America--the wealthiest nation on Earth--has a growing number of homeless people with full-time jobs is perhaps an indication that it's time to admit that capitalism failed, and it did so more or less the way communists predicted, which is more or less the way it failed the last time. Even with its bread lines, the Soviet Union did a better job of providing for the well-being of the population than this.

    • A better job? (Score:4, Informative)

      by WoodstockJeff ( 568111 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @08:53PM (#57847552) Homepage

      So, what's the ratio of homeless in the US vs. the people who died in the old Soviet Union when they were doing "a better job of providing for the well-being of the population"?

    • >"It pains me to admit this, but the fact that America--the wealthiest nation on Earth--has a growing number of homeless people with full-time jobs is perhaps an indication that it's time to admit that capitalism failed"

      That is just nonsense. The "homeless people with full-time jobs" is a small problem located in just certain areas. And it is usually because those people are unwilling to move to other areas where housing is much cheaper and taxes are much lower. That is not to say it is easy to move,

      • by Uberbah ( 647458 ) on Sunday December 23, 2018 @02:03AM (#57848348)

        And it is usually because those people are unable to move to other areas where housing is much cheaper and taxes are much lower.

        FTFY. If someone has so little money that they are homeless, they by definition don't have thousands of dollars to move hundreds or thousands of miles away and risk signing for an apartment with no guarantee of a job.

        I hope you don't actually believe that kind of stuff. Western capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than anything the world has ever seen.

        Utterly laughable statement. Capitalism traded human beings for profit for hundreds of years. Capitalism kept coal workers on starvation-level wages while forcing them to rent in company towns while being paid in scrip that could only be used at company stores. Capitalism sees Wal-Mart tell their employees how to apply for state benefits (because they pay so little money) and organizes food donation drives for their own workers so they can eat. Capitalism sees the richest man in the world higher ambulances to sit outside warehouses to treat workers for heat stroke because its cheaper than installing air conditioning.

        I could go on all day. But aside from all that, every job that has ever been created has come from demand, or expected demand. Not capitalism. Not "job creators".

        Communism, on the other hand, has ACTUALLY failed most every place it has been tried in addition to the murdering more than 100 million of it citizens.

        You know the population of the Soviet Union increased when Stalin was in power, yes? Despite the country losing almost 30 million people during WWII. You capitalist fundamentalists are more full of shit on capitalism and communism than Birther's are on the subject of birth certificates.

  • by BrendaEM ( 871664 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @09:17PM (#57847620) Homepage

    The sheer amount of homeless people in this area, which I have been told may be over 22,000 is daunting. The powers that be in this area have generally not been inclusive of the needs of the poor an low-income people.

    There are even some 2,000 college students that represent the future of America, who are now stricken with homelessness in this areas.

    Whatever was supposed to happen to put a check and balance the asymmetrical, biased political power of the corporate giants and house-flippers who invest in this area--has failed.

    I likely am going to be homeless in a few weeks. As a person with a disability, as I look deeper into the resources here in California. What I have found by following the leads has simply been one of the most disheartening things I have witnessed.

    I heard was "low-income" housing exists, which honest people with a SSD/SSI income could never afford. The lay of the landscape currently has a 1-5 year waiting list for a place to live. Yet, I have heard that some housing exists for people making as much as $75,000/yr. I checked up on homeless shelters where a homeless person is not even afforded a wall to put their back against. I have read of a shower and wash van, supporting the homeless that only comes to an area once in a week.

    [Who would want to sit next to a person who only showered/bathed once in a week?]

    In all honesty, as someone who has written proof that I have tried to add my name to the HUD waiting list for a nearly a decade, I am deeply upset. Yes, clearly I am upset for myself, but also for I am upset for the other homeless people, many of which (also) have disabilities.

  • by Astrogoth13 ( 5188673 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @09:30PM (#57847652)
    I for one wouldn't mind living in a travel trailer aka an RV. Some are very comfy. What the people in the story are living in, on the streets of San Jose and surrounding cities, are old refurbed box trucks. Think Uhaul rentals kind of trucks. No windows, one door and zero light or air. And did I mention cold? Cold. No insulation or sound proofing. Some people pay monthly rent to live in these squalid conditions. They shower at work or the gym. Now THAT's not a life.
  • From what I gathered, not all of the people living this way are poor - some are just trying to save a vast amount of money over getting even the cheapest shared apartment they can find...

    This is another boon of autonomous cars, which instead of needing to find a safe and legal spot to part, can just drive through the night and have you wake up right next to the gym for a shower and that other S thing.

  • I was in San Jose a few months ago and I knew about the homeless problem in Silicon Valley and I made it a point to look for the homeless camps. I saw them under highway bridges and along the sides of the roads. A friend of my told me there's a YouTube channel devoted on how to live on the streets in cars, vans, and RVs. These people were already suffering even though many have jobs. No doubt the horrible air quality that hit the city from the fires up north had a huge negative impact on their health. There
  • How to Really Help (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BrendaEM ( 871664 ) on Sunday December 23, 2018 @12:01AM (#57848038) Homepage
    1. Decriminalize homelessness.
    2. Establish emergency minimal-level shelters were people can shower/sleep, and wash their clothes.
    3. Allow people to sleep in their cars, one car, one night, one block,
    4. Require people who buy homes to own then for no less than 5 years or be fined, unless proof of financial hardship, divorce or partner split.
    5. Restore Section 8 Housing for people with disabilities.
    6. Discourage foreign investors and companies from purchasing homes.
    7. Rezone areas to end single-family homes.
    8. Make sure that homeless people can vote.
    9. Rezone certain industrial and business buildings for shelter use.
    10. Require all non-profit charities to abstract their organization or religious presence from their offer of help.
    12. Require all California cities and towns to take in a certain percentage of the the homeless people.
    13. Vote out the people who only represent rich people.
  • by kfsone ( 63008 ) on Sunday December 23, 2018 @02:56AM (#57848440) Homepage

    Last count, Google has over 50,000 employees in the bay area with its campus expanding all the way from Mountain View down into San Jose now. Facebook has under 15,000. Redwood City, 2014 Population: 90,000, just saw the opening of giant 6+ story apartment complexes that increase its population nearly 20% over a few months.

    Cisco has over 60,000 employees in its massive 3-city campus at the north end of San Jose.

    But the RV campus was previously lining El Camino Real in Palo Alto outside Stanford, it just wound up in East Palo Alto because they got kicked off the Stanford property.

    Google, Facebook, and Apple all need their asses kicking for this stupidity of putting tens of thousands of employees into single buildings because it makes for "better creativity". Really? 2 hour commute each way makes people more creative? It makes them earn a ton of money of which they see none because of rent and living costs beyond ridiculous.

    2 bed apt within 40 minutes of google is likely to set you back ~$3000/month.

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