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Congress Approves Act that Opens US Government Data To the Public; Requires Federal Agencies To Publish 'Non-Sensitive' Info in 'Machine-Readable' Format (engadget.com) 89

An anonymous reader shares a report: Congress has passed a bill that could make it easier for you to access public data released by the government. The House approved the OPEN Government Data Act on Saturday, while all eyes were on the shutdown, as part of a larger bill to support evidence-based policymaking. It requires that federal agencies must publish any "non-sensitive" info in a "machine-readable" format (essentially in a way that's legible on your smartphone or laptop). The act also insists that agencies appoint a chief data officer to oversee all open data efforts. Having passed the Senate last Wednesday, the bill is next headed to the President's desk.
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  • I have to wonder if it will also be 'search-able'

    I'd start with space aliens. (because too many results returned on just aliens.)

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      [Will it be] 'search-able'...I'd start with space aliens.

      That's odd, it only turns up pics of the President's hair.

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      Its Ada and Lisp time.
      The full computing power of the US government.
  • EPA Climate Data (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Dallas May ( 4891515 ) on Monday December 24, 2018 @02:42PM (#57854380)

    When the Republicans took office, one of the first things the thugs did was remove all of the EPA's climate data from the internet. The EPA had massive volumes of data accessible to anyone, and Republican thugs removed it all. Immediately.

    Does this new law require them to put it all back?

    • by SWPadnos ( 191329 ) on Monday December 24, 2018 @03:03PM (#57854504)

      When the Republicans took office, one of the first things the thugs did was remove all of the EPA's climate data from the internet. The EPA had massive volumes of data accessible to anyone, and Republican thugs removed it all. Immediately.

      Does this new law require them to put it all back?

      That data is probably too sensitive.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by dcw3 ( 649211 )

      And yet, Republicans are getting this passed. Now, if Trump doesn't sign it, then you'll have a gripe.

      • And yet, Republicans are getting this passed. Now, if Trump doesn't sign it, then you'll have a gripe.

        I think you only read the first 5 words of the GP's post and then immediately went on a completely unrelated and irrelevant defensive.

        Try and read the post in its entirety, the post was well structured so as to make the post obvious by standing on its own in a separate sentence.

    • by Kohath ( 38547 )

      ...one of the first things the thugs did was remove all of the EPA's climate data from the internet.

      The ultimate in thuggish violence! The bits were manhandled by ruffians!!!!!

      Did you ever stop to think that this is the kind of false dramatic exaggeration that leads people to question anything related to "climate"? If you're pretending that moving data around is thuggery, then maybe everything you guys say about climate is the same sort of hate-driven hysteria. Maybe only part of it is, but then which part?

      • I did stop to thing about that. But then I remembered that honesty and integrity is not something they value anyway. They only value their own authority.

        So I figured, whatever. It's not like the facts have been hard to come by. Republicans are going to believe whatever they want anyway.

        • by Kohath ( 38547 )

          I did stop to thing about that. But then I remembered that honesty and integrity is not something they value anyway.

          Nor do you, apparently. Too bad for anyone who wants honesty or integrity. Too bad for anyone who wants to have a genuine conversation or anyone who wants to live in peace, without haters threatening them over made up or exaggerated nonsense.

          I don't think you'll be able to hate your way to a healthy climate. Exaggerations and lies don't seem to be effective in dealing with climate issues either.

          If you actually have an objective other than spreading hatred, you're not achieving it.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Documents should be required to be created in open formats such as Open Document Format, instead of closed formats like the disgusting closed Microsoft XML (.xlsx, etc)

  • Internal stuff that will make no clear sense without context will be re-construed by trolls, and all heck can brake loose. Workers will be afraid to put anything into concrete form for fear of something being publically spun for trollism or politics. They'll feel pressured to either do everything by voice, or type things very carefully. Either way, it will slow things down, making gov't even MORE inefficient.

    There's the old adage about the law making process being like sausage: it's best you don't see it be

  • by DidgetMaster ( 2739009 ) on Monday December 24, 2018 @07:12PM (#57855200) Homepage
    A lot of government sites currently publish data that can be easily downloaded, but the average user has trouble making sense of it. For example, the city of Chicago has a website where you can download crime data https://data.cityofchicago.org... [cityofchicago.org] for the last 18 years. You can pick from formats like CSV or XML (but they don't have Json yet) to download. Their website visualization tools are getting better, but I wish they were much more flexible.

    I am building an analytic tool that makes it really easy to create relational tables from CSV or Json files and do all kinds of analytics using it. See a quick 4 minute demo video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] to see a few things we can do with that Chicago data. It is just as easy to do similar things against any data you can download. In this instance, trying to load the 6.5 million row table into Excel is not very practical.
    • A lot of government sites currently publish data that can be easily downloaded, but the average user has trouble making sense of it. ... I am building an analytic tool that makes it really easy to create relational tables from CSV or Json files and do all kinds of analytics using it. ... In this instance, trying to load the 6.5 million row table into Excel is not very practical.

      You're contradicting yourself if I take you literally, and considering your project I think I should.

      You state your goal is to create relational tables for data analysis/analytics. Taking data in the form of CSV to load into a *database tables* with relations is pretty normal, I do it all the time as do a lot of others. Then you complain about not being able to load a huge amount of data from a CSV file into Excel. How in the heck do you have relational tables in Excel?

      If you plan to do analysis with l

  • It's going to be amazing how much data is going to be classified as sensitive.

  • by jfdavis668 ( 1414919 ) on Monday December 24, 2018 @08:30PM (#57855400)
    All data will be available in Visicalc, dBase II or Wordstar format.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Take a good look at how "Open Office XML" got created to duck the Massachusetts legislative mandate to have an actual standard for government electronic documents, and got turned into the biggest standards fraud of this century. The name was selected to confuse people who were consering OpenOffice and its OpenDocument format, It was well analyzed at the time on www.groklaw.net as an abuse of the standards committees and process, and it remains one of the most inconsistent and uneven standards on the planet.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I'm with you, anon.

      For anyone who understands what happened here, it's obvious that this whole Microsoft MOOXML fiasco is one of the most devious, venal frauds ever perpetrated by Microsoft - and that's saying a lot.

      As long as the company continues with its proprietary MOOXML format and doesn't drop it for ODF, it's a complete lie for anyone to pretend that, "Microsoft has changed."

      No. They haven't.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    "machine-readable" format (essentially in a way that's legible on your smartphone or laptop)

    That isn't what "machine-readable" means.

  • A problem government agencies have had with making data available is the IT cost of distributing it. For the longest time the Patent Office has made patents a pain-in-the-ass to download not because the patents are not public documents, but because they could not handle the demand. So they told the public to go buy them from private companies if they wanted good service.

    If that problem has just been passed on to the entire Federal Government, it is an ineffective command.

  • IMHO it's rather easy to consider some datum non-sensitive that turns out to be sensitive when viewed as part of a group. Certain large web-based service providers make a fortune out of data mining, and once someone spot connections between "non-sensitive" data and some humongous database of definitely-sensitive data, all bets are off.

  • only in EBCDIC format in many counties. That is still machine readable. for an IBM mainframe.

  • Yes, there will be abuse in the direction of classifying all sorts of things "sensitive"; OTOH how much of this is a grab by business to get hold of data (even more data) that is currently less available, and making taxpayers pay for destroying their own privacy (what little is left)? Just because something is revealed in interaction with the government, doesn't mean that it is completely "public" data. An old example - someone's alibi for not being at a crime scene is being at a hotel with a lover. Wit

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