Tobacco Use is Soaring Among US Kids, Driven By E-cigarettes (axios.com) 246
Public health officials Monday said there's a growing epidemic of tobacco products currently used by children -- 4.9 million high school and middle school kids used tobacco products in 2018 up from 3.6 million in 2017 -- mainly due to a growth in e-cigarette usage. From a report: For the fifth year in a row, e-cigs were the most popular product amongst high school students, but in 2018 it reached unprecedented epidemic levels, with the addition of another 1.5 million kids, said Anne Schuchat, principal deputy director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "Current users" are defined as people who've used a tobacco product in past 30 days. "Frequent users" are defined as people who've used the product for more than 20 out of the past 30 days.
e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:5, Informative)
I personally doubt they are any better for you, but vape juice is definately not tobacco.
Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:5, Insightful)
Absolutely better for you. Nicotine is no worse for you than caffeine. It's the other nasties in tobacco that are bad for you.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/s... [forbes.com]
Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:5, Informative)
That's not true. Nicotine is directly associated with increased stroke and heart attacks. It attacks the venous system.
https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com... [bmj.com]
Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:5, Informative)
No. Caffeine in the form of 4 cups or more of coffee per day actually has a preventative effect according to this meta-analysis:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... [nih.gov]
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"People's health depends on it!"
perhaps use the more modern "for the children"? that seems to be the preferred method of whipping up hysteria.
Heh... Won't anyone think of the children's health?!!
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Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:4, Informative)
As does caffeine!
Quite the opposite. Caffeine (and more broadly, the coffee that many people consume it in), has all sorts of wide ranging health benefits. There have been hundreds of studies by people trying to prove how unhealthy coffee (and caffeine) is, and all the studies ending up proving the exact opposite; that it actually reduces all sorts of illnesses.
Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:5, Informative)
As does caffeine!
Quite the opposite. Caffeine (and more broadly, the coffee that many people consume it in), has all sorts of wide ranging health benefits. There have been hundreds of studies by people trying to prove how unhealthy coffee (and caffeine) is, and all the studies ending up proving the exact opposite; that it actually reduces all sorts of illnesses.
In moderation though - I have a friend who damn near died from palpitations brought on by coffee consumption.
As well, the puritans who are shitting their pants because the tobacco users have found a loophole in vaping need vaping to be made as socially unacceptable as tobacco products.
As a coffee addict, I can tell you that they are hoping to latch onto it as the next thing to be eradicated.
Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:5, Insightful)
In moderation though
Nearly all caffeine users have little difficulty keeping their use in the "good" range. But for nicotine, there is no "good" range, and it is far more addictive.
As well, the puritans who are shitting their pants because the tobacco users have found a loophole in vaping
Nonsense. We are only shitting our pants over kids getting ahold of vaping devices. Adults can do what they want.
Do you really think that putting a highly addictive and harmful product into the hands of kids is acceptable? They are too stupid and naive to understand the consequences.
Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:5, Insightful)
> for nicotine, there is no "good" range, and it is far more addictive.
Are you sure about that? From what I've read, there's a potentiating effect of the nicotine caused by MAOIs in tobacco. Further, I have a very hard time finding studies about the health effects of nicotine that isn't from tobacco (smoked, chewed, or otherwise ingested). The health effects of nicotine sans tobacco seem akin to those of caffeine.
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Re: e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:2)
That's just it, this is only sold age restricted. Who is putting it in kids' hands?
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That's just it, this is only sold age restricted. Who is putting it in kids' hands?
Hillary and the liberals?
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In moderation though
Nearly all caffeine users have little difficulty keeping their use in the "good" range. But for nicotine, there is no "good" range, and it is far more addictive.
https://www.webmd.com/mental-h... [webmd.com]
Perhaps I work in the wrong crowds. Nearly everyone I have ever worked with has been told to cut back on their caffiene use, and most have suffered withdrawal symptoms. Several, including me, have hit the 10 cups per day mark that is considered too damn much.
As well, the puritans who are shitting their pants because the tobacco users have found a loophole in vaping
Nonsense. We are only shitting our pants over kids getting ahold of vaping devices. Adults can do what they want.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Perhaps we might keep the children out of the bars, if we only care about them, and have no intention of impeding adult use. I mean - bar bans if we are interested in keeping vap
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Incidentally, nicotine also has some health benefits. It's not recommended to start smoking just to get those benefits, but if consumed in isolation perhaps.
Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:5, Informative)
From your link:
Conclusions: The use of NRT is not associated with any increase in the risk of myocardial infarction, stroke, or death.
So no, nicotine minus the tar, particulates, and carbon monoxide is NOT associated with an increased of cardiovascular risk.
Looks like you read what you (for some reason) wanted to read rather than what was written.
Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:4, Funny)
BUT...you don't get the enjoyment of lighting one up on the vape thing.
What was half the fun of smoking real cigarettes....carrying lighters, firing it up, etc....
I guess the vape things are ok for quitting smoking....but really, once you get off the nicotine, they aren't nearly so much fun as real smoking that uses real fire, and other things like flicking ashes, etc...it kept your non-drinking hand busy.
Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, it is believed that the ritual of smoking is a significant contributor to the addiction.
Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:4, Interesting)
Oh, absolutely the ritual.
While I'm glad I quit smoking....it really WAS nice to smoke in bars while drinking. You can still in most places down here....and it is tempting.
There's also the social aspect of it....maybe diminishing,
BUT...I found at work as they made you smoke outside, I often was talking with co-workers I don't sit near and getting scuttlebutt, I also found myself talking with people MUCH higher up on the totem pole than I, and while I had their ear, I'd give my views on things as well as getting inside info on how things were going. Often I got selected for things due to familiarity driving I believe in part, by them knowing who I was out in the "smoke hole" with them.
Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:4, Interesting)
The social aspect at work is very definitely there. Indoors, you couldn't even get 10 seconds with the boss's boss. In the smoking area you could shoot the breeze w/ the CEO.
When I did system installs, I found that a trip to the designated smoking area was sometimes a great way to break through a management log jam.
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Yeah, after I quit smoking I continued to go hang out with the smokers periodically. After all what are they going to do, punish me for taking the same breaks I did when I smoked?
Smoking, not nicotine, is addictive (Score:2)
Someone somewhere else pointed out that nicotine substitutes (patch, gum) don't work as well as you would think.
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They fail on multiple points. First, they don't substitute for the ritual of smoking.
Perhaps bigger, they don't have enough nicotine in them. They seem to be constructed to relieve "just enough" suffering rather than actually replace the nicotine. This is probably because they didn't realize that the MAOIs in cigarettes are part of the effect. A replacement actually needs to provide MORE nicotine than cigarettes to compensate for the lack of MAOI. Do that for a while and the addiction will loose urgency wit
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A longitudinal study by the NIH [nih.gov] found that vaping is a gateway to smoking, and it is likely that access to vapers increases tobacco use among adolescents.
Re: e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:2)
If we looked at the whole population though, and saw adults switching from cigarettes to vaping, would we say smoking is a gateway drug to vaping?
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"I guess the vape things are ok for quitting smoking....but really, once you get off the nicotine, they aren't nearly so much fun as real smoking that uses real fire, and other things like flicking ashes, etc...it kept your non-drinking hand busy."
Nah, it's definitely the draw, exhale, and keeping your non-drinking hand busy. Vaping does all of the above... except the last one if you don't chain vape but who doesn't chain vape? As an added bonus it doesn't taste like shit.
Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:5, Insightful)
From your link:
Conclusions: The use of NRT is not associated with any increase in the risk of myocardial infarction, stroke, or death.
So no, nicotine minus the tar, particulates, and carbon monoxide is NOT associated with an increased of cardiovascular risk.
Looks like you read what you (for some reason) wanted to read rather than what was written.
It is the modern purist's version of reefer madness. The puritans don't need actual facts.
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Citation needed
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From what I understand, smoking was a much bigger contribitor to early death because of heart disease, than cancer. Something like only 15% of smokers died of lung cancer or related.
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"Conclusions: The use of NRT (nicotine replacement therapy) is not associated with any increase in the risk of myocardial infarction, stroke, or death."
"There was no evidence that an increase in the incidence of either myocardial infarction or stroke occurred after the prescription of any particular formulation of NRT, or that the results differed for people prescribed NRT before or after April 2001 (table 4). Although the numbers were smaller the r
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Absolutely better for you....
Perhaps a better way to put it would be "not as terrible for you".
http://www.center4research.org... [center4research.org]
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The health affects of caffeine aren't fully known, but Nicotine does reduce your body's defenses against cancer.
You're right that vaping is definitely less unhealthy than cigarettes though.
Until it blows up in your face and kills you.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com... [huffingtonpost.com]
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It's just a battery. The issue isn't new to vapes and is common to just about any portable device with a battery depending on what battery chemistry they use.
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The health affects of caffeine aren't fully known, but Nicotine does reduce your body's defenses against cancer.
You're right that vaping is definitely less unhealthy than cigarettes though.
I have some bad news for you about nitrates in vegetables. https://livehealthy.chron.com/... [chron.com] But bacon is bad!
Life is invariably fatal. SO if you aren't doing harm, chillaxe, bro. And while you are at it, check out the effects of phytoestrogens, which are heavy in foods that are considered the most healthy things you can eat these days. It takes a suspension of logic to think that vaping is any worse than that.
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In fairness nicotine and caffeine both carry other benefits which might outweigh any negatives. It is naive to assert there are no risks or benefits just as it is naive to assume the existence of risks means it is poor choice to make.
Caffeine and nicotine are both shown to improve cognitive function with nicotine improving focus and providing a calming effect (including in those who haven't been exposed before). That is a hell of a complimentary pair and the benefits of improved cognitive function and focus
Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:5, Informative)
However, nicotine is much more addictive than caffeine. It would be a mistake to equate them. And there are a variety of other chemicals in the vapes, which may or may not be harmful. And nicotine itself may contribute to cancer too. [healthline.com]
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However, nicotine is much more addictive than caffeine. It would be a mistake to equate them. And there are a variety of other chemicals in the vapes, which may or may not be harmful. And nicotine itself may contribute to cancer too. [healthline.com]
And maryjooanna - AKA devil's lettuce -makes black people violent! That sounds insane, but once upon a time, that was considered to be truth,
The nicotine causes cancer bugaboo is so easy to pull out. Yet it backfires on the puritans on occasion, like when they shit their panties about bacon and cured meats "causing cancer" then we found out that humans get most of their nitrate load from....... wait for it..... veggies!
We should make eating veggies illegal, just to be safe.
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And maryjooanna - AKA devil's lettuce -makes black people violent!
Well, that makes sense. Virginia Governor Ralph Northam latest explanation is that a bong hit made him wear blackface.
. . . or maybe it was his measles vaccination . . . ?
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The blackface thing seems silly. It really is no different than men dressed as women in the theater of old. The only negative tone is in the ignorant views of african americans during the time period black face was used, that has nothing to do with blackface itself.
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"It functions as an antiherbivore chemical; consequently, nicotine was widely used as an insecticide in the past,[11][12] and neonicotinoids, such as imidacloprid, are widely used."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine, hmm tasty, tasty pesticide. There are also cancer indicators and even birth defects. So way worse than caffeine.
Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:4, Interesting)
I personally doubt they are any better for you
They are certainly better that tobacco. Nicotine is bad, but the other stuff in tobacco smoke is worse, and you avoid that with vaping.
The problem is that kids are stupid and naive, and they don't realize that vaping is just as addictive as tobacco. By the time they realize how stupid it is, they are hooked.
We need to find a way to keep vaping devices away from pre-18ers. Maybe move to a prescription model. But that might mean less harm reduction for smokers. It is a difficult issue.
Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:4, Interesting)
It actually isn't as addictive as tobacco. Cigarette smoke contains MAO inhibitors that potentiate the addictive properties of nicotine. Vape juice doesn't have those.
Some vape juice doesn't even have nicotine.
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Correct. Nicotine is not very addictive unless it's processed and mixed with additives to maximize delivery and the addictive properties of nicotine, as is done with cigarettes or the nicotine used in most studies into it's 'addictiveness'. Many people who take up vaping find it far easier than they've been led to expect to move to zero nicotine liquids once they eliminate cigarette use as they never experience the symptoms often attributed to nicotine withdrawal; as they're not addicted to the nicotine, bu
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MAO inhibitors aren't addictive. I used to take one, then quit cold turkey because of the headaches it gave me after a while. Was nice whilte it lasted, though.
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I didn't say the MAOI is addictive, I said it POTENTIATES the addictive properties of the NICOTINE.
That is, without the MAO, the nicotine hits harder and faster which makes it more addictive.
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>"We need to find a way to keep vaping devices away from pre-18ers. Maybe move to a prescription model. But that might mean less harm reduction for smokers. It is a difficult issue."
It isn't that difficult. We already have laws on the book, they just need reasonable enforcement... it is no different than alcohol or actual tobacco products. Retailers just need to check ID's for age. It really is that simple. We don't have or need a "prescription model" for alcohol either (and alcohol is responsible fo
Re: e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:2)
Yeah we should pass a law saying you have to be 18 to buy it.
Oh... We did. Hmm
Re:e-cigarrettes arent tobacco (Score:4, Insightful)
Unilateral permanent confiscation of the vaping device when they are caught, a criminal record that stays on file for the next 7 years even though they are a minor, and the threat of losing access to public education if they are caught again might do the trick, at the very least, it will put the parent(s) or guardians in the loop who might be better equipped to deal with whatever further disciplinary actions are required.
Holy fuck, you left out summary and immediate execution.
I suspect you are Poeing, but if not, I think it was W.F. Buckley, ont of my two favorite conservatives, who suffered fro glaucoma and went offshore to treat it with devil's lettuce that said:
" Marijuana laws have unquestionably destroyed more lives than marijuana ever did." reminds me of your suggestion.
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Kid: So...if I vape they will kick me out of school permanently?
Good plan
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Yup... good luck with that.
But hey, you can always try and get your Diploma later on when you realize that you actually really do need it to survive in modern society.
Either that, or you can eventually find yourself in jail for committing property crime that you've had to resort to just to survive once your parents kick you out the day you turn 18.
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Yup... good luck with that.
But hey, you can always try and get your Diploma later on when you realize that you actually really do need it to survive in modern society.
Either that, or you can eventually find yourself in jail for committing property crime that you've had to resort to just to survive once your parents kick you out the day you turn 18.
The habit of incarcerating as many people for as long as possible - largely to help the for profit prison system has worked out pretty well.
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Or perhaps we should make the laws surrounding other substances more reasonable.
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No, that's fine. I was referring to:
Unilateral permanent confiscation of the vaping device when they are caught, a criminal record that stays on file for the next 7 years even though they are a minor, and the threat of losing access to public education if they are caught again might do the trick, at the very least, it will put the parent(s) or guardians in the loop who might be better equipped to deal with whatever further disciplinary actions are required.
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Do you think that the laws which prohibit the sale or distribution of any smoking paraphernalia, including e-cigarettes, to minors to be unreasonable
Hell no. But your idea of destroying their lives for what is a silly and minor infraction is plenty unreasonable.
Reactionary and totalitarian in fact.
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The idea is to make some real-world consequences that are severe enough to strongly discourage anyone from doing it in the first place.
If they want to ruin their lives completely by pulling it off again, well.... that's on them. Their choice, their consequences.
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You are the one reaching too far. We currently do much of what is described for persons caught drinking before age 21 (thanks feds) and so if vaping is illegal for young'uns, then there should be similar penalties.
I support making all vaping by prescription only. If you want to get off tobacco, it can't be that hard to get a prescription. Heck, plenty of people lined up for Marijuana prescriptions.
Go back and re-read.
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Such measures should not be necessary.
The idea is to bring real world consequences for a person's choices, and the fact that they are a minor should not factor into it.
And the severity of the measures I've described would probably prevent repeat offenders as well... those that did repeat could find themselves on pretty darn hard times in the years to come... but again, that's a path that they *CHOSE* to go down.
Killing them would eliminate repeat offenders. As well as sparing the government the expense of incarceratingf them. Sincce children who offend, probably have parents the same, we can eliminate crime by just killing them too. The CHOSE to not abide by all aspects of the law, therefore in the interests of a crime free society, excess in the culling of the undesirables is no vice. One strike, and you cease to exist. Summary execution the standard punishment - no repeat offenders.
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Indeed, but it would also eliminate the possibility that they might learn from their mistakes having faced some real measurable consequences for them, and make smarter choices in the future.
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The fact that everybody including the tobacco lobby is trying to find negatives and they've been grasping at straws for the last several years tend to suggest it is more healthy. If nothing else it improves blood oxygen and provides an increase in lung capacity equivalent to stopping smoking.
The mechanism really isn't much different than devices used to deliver medicine for a number of classes of lung illness so I doubt it is innately evil. There might be some devils in the details, certain flavorings, cert
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What antifreeze?
Does that really count? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Does that really count? (Score:4, Insightful)
No, it shouldn't count; however, they still lump these products together.
That said, there is some evidence e-cigs help others to quit actual tobacco use, even though the FDA has not yet . [cdc.gov]
Kids are going to experiment with shit, regardless of controls and limits; we should probably be glad they're experimenting with this delivery method as opposed to what every prior generation has for the last 100+ years.
Re:Does that really count? (Score:5, Insightful)
So what, adults should only be able to choose from flavors such as Buttered Ass and Steamed Kale? Things that are "appealing to kids" are also appealing to adults. How about we stop trying to ban everything 'for the children', because it's making the world pretty lame for the rest of us.
Re: Does that really count? (Score:5, Funny)
Buttered Ass and Steamed Kale
Together or separate?
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For adults, most do it for the nicotine, but it's not that unusual for an adult who started vaping to quit cigarettes to eventually end up vaping 0 nic juice. The purpose is to keep the manual oral habit satisfied so they don't get tempted by cigarettes.
For teens, this could actually be the cure for peer pressure. They can get 100% of the cool rebellious look with 0% of the nicotine.
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Yes, it's just you.
For some, the oral habit is left over from when they smoked. They satisfy it with the vape so they don't end up satisfying it with a cigarette.
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On the bright side smoking is a form of population control, and then maybe we wont see all these annoying climate change(tm) articles on slashdot anymore.
Not a very effective one. It doesn't kill off people before they reproduce and it only lowers their life expectancy by 10%. As a population control it is weak.
Re:Does that really count? (Score:4, Insightful)
It also damages their fitness for a long time before it kills them, which reduces output from the mines.
Are those numbers really that bad? (Score:5, Interesting)
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If I'm Reading this right [usatoday.com], about 15% of American adults smoke these days, compared to about 42% of adults in 1942. Granted, this story is about teenagers that will soon be adults, and a million more than expected is not a number to be scoffed at, but really when we start getting numbers down that low, I don't know how much more outrage is necessary. The number is never going to be zero percent, no matter what the Puritans wish.
I'm surprised it's as high as 15%. I almost never see people smoking anymore- and vaping is pretty rare around here.
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Different people from different backgrounds, both ethnically and financially have different habits. We had a bunch of interns from singapore who smoked like chimneys. A bunch of people can be seen smoking in chinatown... in lower (very very low) income neighborhoods I drive through I see a bunch of people smoking...
White collar workers will smoke on the weekends at parties, but might never smoke during the week or at the office. Your personal experiences may not reflect all of society.
15% so
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White collar workers will smoke on the weekends at parties, but might never smoke during the week or at the office. Your personal experiences may not reflect all of society.
Well, my experiences don't reflect society if it's at 15%.
However, I suspect we've seen a shift, not just in % that smoke, but HOW people smoke. The city I live in, 15 years ago there would be butts on the ground outside on every corner where smokers would drop cigarettes out their windows... a lot of burnt grass in intersection medians where they would simmer and char the grass. You don't see that very often now.
It appears that people that DO smoke are more conscientious about how they smoke now (or just
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You must live in an absent the poor and uneducated, who comprise the majority of those that still smoke.
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You must live in an absent the poor and uneducated, who comprise the majority of those that still smoke.
Quite the contrary actually. I live in a poor midsized Southern town. Now granted, most of the people I personally spend time with are decidedly in the middle, like myself; and I work in a facility where smoking is prohibited, employees are not even allowed to go outside for a smoke break.
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I knew one guy that vaped for awhile who had never smoked previously. Another guy vapes after quitting smoking, and it drives me nuts because he does it inside at work despite being warned (I think he can't smell it so he assumes no one near him will notice).
Statistics from Australia (Score:2)
Australia has smoking rates half in the last 15 years from around 30% to 15%
- We banned tobacco advertising in the 80's
- Put them behind counters out of sight in the 90's
- Instigated plain packaging and banned them from clubs & pubs, office buildings, restaurants in the 00's
- Highest tax in the world making cigs. about $1/stick, so 20/day will set you back $7k/yr
- Poor people are twice as likely to smoke as rich.
- Country people smoke twice as much as city people.
Of our 70 staff, none of our engineers o
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In 1991, [...] Restaurants all had smoking sections.
Back then, it felt like restaurants had non-smoking sections which were a dinky little area off in the corner. Then, a few years later, the sections swapped and it was the dinky smoking section. Then they finally did away with all of that.
When I was a kid, avoiding cigarette smoke was seen as a deliberate decision and request (which my parents frequently made). Thankfully, now, smoking is pretty much out-of-sight/out-of-mind. I only even know it still happens because I can smell it on the breath of people w
Almost as if this is targetted to addiction (Score:5, Informative)
Almost all nicotine addiction occurs in middle school (not, as many believe incorrectly, in high school and college), and there are people working for the tobacco addiction industry who know this and are doing what they can to addict the next generations of addicts.
And, don't lie to yourselves, you're addicts.
Me, I do socially acceptable addictions that are common in Seattle instead.
Bubble tea ftw!
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Me, I do socially acceptable addictions that are common in Seattle instead.
Bubble tea ftw!
So that is what hipsters call masturbation these days.
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What's that? Smart phone addiction?
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(not) Funny enough, I read a few years ago that a large portion of bubble tea mix was imported from countries with lax QC, and was contaminated with substantial amounts of various harmful substances. So it might not be much healthier.
Not tobacco (Score:2, Informative)
I am not sure if anyone noticed but an e-cigarette contains no actual tobacco. As a cigar smoker I am sick of it getting lumped in.
Are they actually bending the truth like this? (Score:4, Insightful)
As far as I can tell, the people with a vested interest in opposing cigarettes are also vehemently opposed to e-cigarettes, despite their much lower risk profile.
Time and again I find myself reading "news" stories where e-cigarettes are lumped with tobacco use, and many anti-tobacco activists swear up and down that if you vape candy-flavored vape juice FOR SURE you will switch to Marlboro Reds at the first opportunity.
I just don't see how this could be the case -- I smoked for a decade and *liked it*. In the years since I quit I have tried a few cigarettes out of nostalgia and been absolutely repulsed by them. When I smoked I rolled my own, and occasionally a "light" cigarette smoker would want to try one out of curiosity or because they were out, and almost universally they hated them. If an actual cigarette smoker is turned off by a slightly harsher actual cigarette, then the idea anyone who has only or mostly vaped switching to tobacco seems absurd.
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As far as I can tell, the people with a vested interest in opposing cigarettes are also vehemently opposed to e-cigarettes, despite their much lower risk profile.
Time and again I find myself reading "news" stories where e-cigarettes are lumped with tobacco use, and many anti-tobacco activists swear up and down that if you vape candy-flavored vape juice FOR SURE you will switch to Marlboro Reds at the first opportunity.
It is just another manifestation of most of humanity's deep seated need to hate. Just one out of several target to pick from. As well, the same group is really pissed off that vaper's have found a loophole.
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You apparently switched from nothing to your hand rolled cigarettes, so you are yourself a counter example to your argument.
Marijuana (Score:2)
Tobacco is BAD but Marijuana is OK!
That burning sensation in your lungs is ALL NATURAL!
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Tobacco is BAD but Marijuana is OK!
That burning sensation in your lungs is ALL NATURAL!
Oh, that's a real strawman. People who arebig on hating tobacco use tend to be pretty puritanical about anything. Fear not - they hate those heepees that smoke the deviul's lettuce just fine.
Meanwhile, one favorite way of smoking weed is rolled as a mix with tabacky, a hollowed out cigar, aka a blunt
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The REAL burning question is:
is the strawman smokeable?
life at the top (Score:2)
More popular than Apple, Nike, pornography, snow closure days, and Facebook's latest nightmare loss vector?
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Nicotine delivery system (Score:2)
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Why is everyone moaning? Our leaders' policies will likely light us all up like Krakatoa before we hit 40.
If I had to guess, 40 is probably below the median age on Slashdot.
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The most popular bruduct is right, the kids ate never sovial medias costumers, social media is in the data collection buisniss, the kids, or rather targeted ads served to the kids, arethe product. Am I wrong.
Whoa, I think I know what someone has been smoking, and it isn't tabacky!
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I can honestly say that the only drug weed is a gateway to is diet pills. And even that seems debatable.
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Pretty much. The health insurers don't classify vaporized nicotine juice as tobacco.