The US Cannot Crush Us, Says Huawei Founder (bbc.com) 140
The founder of Huawei has said there is "no way the US can crush" the company, in an interview with the BBC. From the report: Ren Zhengfei, founder and president of Huawei, described the arrest of his daughter Meng Wanzhou, the company's chief financial officer, as politically motivated. The US is pursuing criminal charges against Huawei and Ms Meng, including money laundering, bank fraud and stealing trade secrets. Huawei denies any wrongdoing.
Mr Ren spoke to the BBC's Karishma Vaswani in his first international broadcast interview since Ms Meng was arrested -- and dismissed the pressure from the US. "There's no way the US can crush us," he said. "The world cannot leave us because we are more advanced. Even if they persuade more countries not to use us temporarily, we can always scale things down a bit." However, he acknowledged that the potential loss of custom could have a significant impact. [...] Mr Ren warned that "the world cannot leave us because we are more advanced". "If the lights go out in the West, the East will still shine. And if the North goes dark, there is still the South. America doesn't represent the world. America only represents a portion of the world."
Mr Ren spoke to the BBC's Karishma Vaswani in his first international broadcast interview since Ms Meng was arrested -- and dismissed the pressure from the US. "There's no way the US can crush us," he said. "The world cannot leave us because we are more advanced. Even if they persuade more countries not to use us temporarily, we can always scale things down a bit." However, he acknowledged that the potential loss of custom could have a significant impact. [...] Mr Ren warned that "the world cannot leave us because we are more advanced". "If the lights go out in the West, the East will still shine. And if the North goes dark, there is still the South. America doesn't represent the world. America only represents a portion of the world."
Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy (Score:5, Insightful)
Just want you to follow the law.
You can do business any way you like within those confines. Not our problem if you can't hack it without hacking others.
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In China the law is a little different, it's hard for them to understand Western law.
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Canadian officials said something similar when China asked to have the accused Huawei executive handed back to China immediately.
Canadian officials kept emphasizing their separation of powers requires that the courts finish their job, barring some national emergency. In the Chinese system, if the leader(s) say "do X" you do X, no questions asked. Business hierarchies there are similar, I hear, at least more so than the USA.
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Hey, they were pretty smart to send Bieber away to the US.
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He's the orange guy's greatest trade weapon now
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Show them a National Security Letter. I'm sure they'll feel right at home.
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Then they can stay out of the west until they can figure it out, or hire lawyers who do.
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Horrible healthcare? Dude, any country in the developed world has better healthcare than the USA.
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https://www.who.int/healthinfo... [who.int]
Norway is in position 11, the USA is in position 37.
And no, I haven't lived in Norway, but I have some friends who have lived there, and what they say is totally the opposite of what you say, and they work in the healthcare sector. Also, I have American friends who, after living for years in Europe, were afraid of going back to the USA and getting any serious illness.
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Re:Ain't tryin' to crush you buddy (Score:5, Insightful)
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Elon Musk isn't a CFO.
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Like Oliver North maybe? The Chinese are just more honest about who gets let off and why.
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Please tell me that the CEO is named Stimpy.
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If you chose to use American banks, you're bound by American banking law. It's really that simple.
"follow international law, which China seems to " ... that's rich. Like annexing Tibet and creating your own EEZ by covering some shoals with sand. No, China doesn't follow any international law unless they find it convenient. Your propaganda is fucking hilarious.
Chinese Government speaking through Huawei again? (Score:1)
It's a little obvious when they don't EVER address the charges of theft, theft, theft, spying, fraud, etc, and then make blustering statements for their illegitimate cabalist criminal government directly like this. Fuck China, fuck Huawei.
Sink em.
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I dunno. Is it incredibly awful and you're only watching it because it's an easy way to test if your display chain is properly handling Dolby Vision through Netflix / over the network?
no no! wrong question! (Score:5, Interesting)
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Here in the U.S. we don't have a ruling Communist Party. So we do the above things less openly.
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Strangely I don't see interviews with Cisco CEOs asking them about the level of cooperation with the NSA or what steps they took to stop their products being intercepted during shipping for installation of malware implants.
That's why this kind of innuendo is unhelpful at best. What matters is what we can verify. Does Cisco allow customers to inspect code? How much does it invest in security hardening? Why do we keep seeing hard coded backdoors in their products, and why haven't they systematically gone thro
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I think this is an important exception.
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Strangely I don't see interviews with Cisco CEOs asking them about the level of cooperation with the NSA or what steps they took to stop their products being intercepted during shipping for installation of malware implants.
What about much?
BBC story=intrusive video ads (Score:3)
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The link to the story reminded me why I stopped reading BBC News online. Too many video ads, and when you scroll down they keep interfering with the text I am trying to read. Too disruptive, I closed down the webpage quickly.
Interesting. Have none of that. Incidentally my browser has uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger installed.
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Too many video ads,
Have none of that. Incidentally my browser has uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger installed.
Noscript and addblock for me.
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yeah, because that's secure
You're watching the fucking news, not trading nuclear weapons.
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Long history of bad behaviour (Score:5, Funny)
I remember back when Huawei started, I was working at Cisco, and Cisco took them to court [theregister.co.uk] for stealing the code to IOS and shipping it running on their own routers (which I think were also hardware copies of cisco routers).
Cisco won [theregister.co.uk] because Huawei hadn't bothered to fix the typos in the IOS text. The Huawei routers had identical text errors in "their" UI. They also had Cisco's IOS bugs too!
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Bosack and his wife Lerner founded Cisco when both of them were still employed at Stanford. Bosack continued working at Stanford with Cisco co-worker and co-founder Kirk Lougheed, where they developed the company's first router. However, it was an exact replica of Stanford's "Blue Box" router and ran an unlicensed copy of the university's multiple-protocol router software, which was adapted into the foundation of Cisco IOS. [fool.com]
In 1986, Bosack and Lougheed were forced to resign from Stanford over the product's development, and the university considered filing criminal charges against Cisco over the theft of its intellectual property. However, Stanford eventually agreed to license its router software and two computer boards to Cisco in 1987.
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[Huawei clones cisco HW and SW, complete with comment misspellings [also undocumented features and error messages].
But Cisco was built on Stanford HW and SW designs (that they eventually licensed after being sued by Stanford.)]
*sigh* What goes around, comes around.
Reminds me of a couple others:
The North American colonies built their initial tech (water-powered thread spinning mills, for instance) by hiring engineers from the Old World who designed and build mills and such, in violation of British patents (w
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Yeah but.
Yeah but.
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Did you think we wouldn't check your links? The second one points out that Cisco didn't win, they dropped their legal action. Later it emerged that they had been complaining about some generic C header files that were likely part of the compiler suite anyway, not even Cisco code.
This isn't the first time you have made this bogus claim either. So the question is, why do you keep doing it? Do you still have some loyalty to Cisco, or is someone paying you to do it, or is this a hacked account now controlled by
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Cisco did win because there was an out of court settlement.
"The completion of the lawsuit comes after a third party review of Huawei's products, and after Huawei discontinued the sale of products at issue in the suit. Huawei has agreed to change its command line interface, user manuals, help screens and portions of its source code to address Cisco's concerns. Cisco agreed to suspend its patent infringement lawsuit when the third party review got underway so the settlement of the lawsuit comes as no great su
Huawei like many (Score:2)
If you do not mind the Chinese Government/Military having complete access your good.
If the Chinese Government/Military having complete access is a problem you have some issues to deal with.
Same applies to US, Russia, EU, the list goes on for each and every Country.
just my 2 cents
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To be fair, a given CEO may not know about and/or cannot control the meddling of a government(s) into their company for espionage purposes. They may try to focus on making good reliable products, but being a citizen usually carries other non-negotiable obligations.
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"And if the North goes dark,..." meaning? (Score:2)
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Maybe he's an avid fan of Game of Thrones.
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He's alluding to his willingness to let everyone outside of Hong Kong die en masse to prove a egotistical point about cellphone patents.
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I took it to mean, the Southern Hemisphere. In this context it probably mostly consists of South America and Africa.
Australia and New Zealand of course geographically fall into the Southern Hemisphere. Australia has traditionally tended to go along with American policies; New Zealand has more history of independent foreign policy. This time though it's unclear what they will do. The Aussies have clearly branded themselves as being in the Asian hemisphere and they do a lot of business with China.
TL;DR, n
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NZ initially declared that they would not use Huawei for 5G infrastructure build, then China started unsubtley threatening NZ industries (holding up goods at ports, denying landing to planes on their way to China) and the govt did a volte face.
Lesson is: be more subtle about rejecting Chinese equipment for your critical infrastructure if you are a small trading nation.
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When North America destructs, and all the CMOS gates rupture in the process, the South Americans can make computers. Out of salvaged TTL gates.
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It means they think we don't have subsurface interdiction of their tankers.
Which we do.
No supplies for China.
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Once you read the whole quote in TFS it makes sense.
The West is North America (USoA, CAN) and Europe. the east is Asia (please bear in mind that Russia strands europe and Asia), and perhaps a tad of the Arabic countries.
the north is again NA and EU, while the south is South America and Africa. Oceania (Oz, NZ) are another matter.
disclaimer: Used to work for Huawei in my home country, the chinese smetimes have a poetic way to speak... Specially when threatening/threatened.
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Also, was it Paul Allen or the Woz who sponsored the US Festival? I can't remember.
NAS and GCHQ vs the political world (Score:1)
The telcos like the low, low, low prices to construct their new 5G networks with flexibility.
The political leadership has to opt to back their security services, their powerful telco brands?
Who will win?
NSA? MI5?
The telcos who really need 5G ready soon?
Go full Communism?
Political trust in the understanding the NSA and GCHQ has of global networks and Communism?
Can the FBI and MI5 work with their staff, contractors and informants walking around with 5G tech?
Why the sud
So naive (Score:2)
This is only the beginning.
You messed with the wrong people, sunshine.
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Cue bomber with giant anvil! (Score:2)
"Hey Tim!"
"Yeah?"
"They said we couldn't crush them!"
"I dunno! I've got the sights lined up perfect!"
"Bombs away!"
*DOPPLER WHISTLE*
*SPLAT!*
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Exactly. When I lived in Korea ('85-94), my wife used to brag about their ~5000 year old culture. My response back then was that they were still a bunch of backward fucks. Which was true at the time since the economy there didn't really start to expand until after the '88 Olympics, and most everything produced there was simply a copy of something made elsewhere...trademark/patent infringement was common and nobody seemed to care. The interesting thing to me was watching the incomes skyrocket, and jobs m