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Google Maps Adding Photo Radar Warnings For Drivers In Canada (huffingtonpost.ca) 84

Google Maps is warning drivers in Canada as they approach some photo radar camera locations. "The feature, which is currently being rolled out by Google, allows users to see speed limits, speed cameras and mobile speed cameras on the map before they leave," reports HuffPost Canada. "It also gives a verbal warning -- an automated voice saying 'speed camera ahead' -- when drivers are near a fixed speed camera." From the report: Police in Calgary say the feature is useful to them. "The biggest thing we love ... is we place those (cameras) by collision statistics," said Sgt. Joerg Gottschling of the Calgary Police Service traffic section. "If we do a new site, if we are going to install a new camera, the next site is always selected by the next highest crash site. "Our intersection locations are all determined where we are trying to eliminate collisions."

Gottschling said they've had up to a 50 per cent reduction in collisions in some areas where those cameras are stationed. With Google Maps, he noted, all drivers approaching the fixed camera intersection get the warning. "That camera is only facing one way," said Gottschling. "Let's say it's only facing northbound, but you can approach southbound or eastbound ... you are still going to get Google telling you caution. "So you're going to go slowly and cautiously through there which, lo and behold, is actually what we want." Google said in an email that there will also be an ability for android users to report mobile speed cameras and stationary cameras.

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Google Maps Adding Photo Radar Warnings For Drivers In Canada

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  • by ghoul ( 157158 ) on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @08:44PM (#58222552)

    It seems they are interested in reducing collisions not in increasing revenue.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Zaelath ( 2588189 )

      Yeah, but they're also full of shit.

      "So you're going to go slowly and cautiously through there which, lo and behold, is actually what we want."

      Nope, what I'm going to be doing is looking at my speedometer instead of the road because that's what they've trained me to do. They've also trained some idiots to break on green lights. So while I'm distracted by my speedo, there's a good chance someone ahead of me is breaking for no reason.

      Which is why the red light /speed/ cameras see an almost universal i

      • by c6gunner ( 950153 ) on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @11:17PM (#58223116) Homepage

        Nope, what I'm going to be doing is looking at my speedometer instead of the road because that's what they've trained me to do.

        If you are incapable of monitoring your speedometer and the road at the same time, you shouldn't be on the road in the first place. Go take a drivers ed course so they can teach you how to properly scan dash, road, and mirrors.

        • I tend to leave enough room between myself and the car in front that I've never actually hit anyone that brakes unexpectedly, or anyone else in 30ish years, but there's plenty of evidence that red-light cameras increase rear end accidents, so not everyone is leaving enough room.

          Chicago: http://time.com/3643077/red-li... [time.com]

          Houston: https://www.scientificamerican... [scientificamerican.com]

          There's plenty of people that clearly shouldn't be allowed on the road, and my point is that you can't solve their lack of skill with cameras and abs

          • I never suggested that you could; I merely pointed out that you need remedial training.

            • No, I really don't, but thanks for your input.

              You're confusing what you perceive as reality with actual reality and could probably use some training on exactly how much split focus and multitasking you're actually capable of; for most humans it's SFA..

          • Tailgaters (the motoring kind, not the cooking kind) should be round up and shot. There, I said it.
          • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

            If you have a reasonable insurance system, then it appears you can. A few minor incidents like that and they won't be able to afford to drive.

            • by dryeo ( 100693 )

              You mean only the rich will be able to afford to drive.
              Tickets should also be based on income like in Finland, X hours or days of wages for speeding etc. That would make the punishment more equal. Here a speeding ticket can be over $300, 3 days wages for a minimum wage worker who is probably living on the edge and a couple of hours or less for some who can afford it anyways.

              • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

                Only the rich would be able to drive *carelessly*. In a good insurance system most people would be economically incentivized not to do stupid things like tailgate. Admittedly, people who are too rich would be able to engage in riskier behaviour regardless of the monetary hit. It's a flaw in any economic incentive system.

                Income-based tickets are a great idea.

      • by hawguy ( 1600213 )

        Nope, what I'm going to be doing is looking at my speedometer instead of the road because that's what they've trained me to do. They've also trained some idiots to break on green lights. So while I'm distracted by my speedo, there's a good chance someone ahead of me is breaking for no reason.

        I've never seen anyone brake at a green light at red light camera intersections, but I do see them stop earlier in the yellow, which sometimes causes problems when the car behind them had no intention of stopping, so needs to slam on the brakes to stop before he hits the guy that stopped when the light turned yellow.

        It's not a problem for most drivers since if there's room for the car in front of you to stop on the yellow, there's more than enough room for the cars behind them to stop. But apparently some d

        • Lucky you, I've seen people 10kph under the limit brake on every stretch of road imaginable.

          It's possibly just the zealous speed enforcement around here (they WILL ticket you for 1MPH over the limit) but the percentage of nervous/hesitant drivers is really high.

          When you combine driving significantly slower than the person closing in on you behind with the massively reduced braking distance of a car doing 50kph vs 60kph, it's really easy for them to cause an accident.

          https://www.qld.gov.au/transpo... [qld.gov.au]

          Estimate

          • by dryeo ( 100693 )

            Can't you dispute a speeding ticket on the basis that the camera, radar gun etc is likely not calibrated that accurately? Here, when they had cameras, they were set to ticket at 10 kph over the limit.

        • by dryeo ( 100693 )

          Now and again, I'll have someone in front of me brake on a green light even without cameras. Always a bit unexpected and forces me to brake harder then usual and be thankful I'm not a tailgater.
          There's some bad drivers out there. I live in a rural area and I'd swear some people just stop in the middle of the road to look at a tree.

    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      It seems they are interested in reducing collisions not in increasing revenue.

      It's more of an edict that came down in Calgary or across Alberta (not sure who issued it) - the use of photo radar equipment must be shown to be for safety reasons and not just for revenue reasons. If this is not obeyed, the cameras will be removed forcefully.

      So every installation must prove that it's created positive change (less accidents, etc). Otherwise the camera will be removed.

  • What's the big deal? Waze already gives those warnings in the USA; is it the "in Canada" part that''s special?

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      Waze already does it in Canada too. As does the built-in GPS in my car. I think it's the "Google" part that's new.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Google Maps is the more conservative app, Waze is where they test features like this out. The fact that it is going mainstream is significant.

        Having said that, many car manufacturers have been including it for years too. Both my Leafs had it going back six years now.

    • What I've never understand is why - after all these years - Google Maps and Waze still have not merged their databases and routing systems. It's frustrating, because Google Maps is much better for searching and routing, whereas Waze is much better for warning about police/speed traps, and for sudden rerouting to avoid congestion. It's annoying to have to use both apps.

      • Because Google. They'll keep around multiple solutions for the same thing and then flip a coin to kill one of them off.

      • What better routing are you talking about? Many times I've seen Google Maps take months to add new roadways - even freeways - to the app. Waze almost always has them the day they open or a very shortly thereafter.

        Google is maintained by disinterested people in another country. Waze is maintained by local editors who know what's going on in their town. Tell me which is better.

        And FYI, Waze uses both Google as well as its own internal database for searches. I don't see how having less data makes Goog
    • Cool story. Why not tell us all the other countries where {insert software not being talked about} does this?

  • by Anonymous Coward

    In Korea, speed cameras are spaced out and clearly marked in advance. The intent is partly to catch speeders but mostly to annoy you into slowing down since they're spaced out around every 5-7km

    • In Korea, speed cameras are spaced out and clearly marked in advance. The intent is partly to catch speeders but mostly to annoy you into slowing down since they're spaced out around every 5-7km

      It also encourages literacy by taxing people that can't read the signs.

  • by hawguy ( 1600213 ) on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @11:23PM (#58223138)

    Maybe Google should just cut out the middleman and show the accident data directly so drivers know which intersections are the most dangerous.

    • "Slow down, dear, other users have only rated this corner three stars!"

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Instead of cameras the police could determine where the danger spots are and create a database, that Google and everyone else could use to show warnings. Many cars already have a speed camera database in the sat nav anyway, wouldn't take much to add accident black spots to that.

    • What makes you think that drivers react to accidents rather an a financial motivation?

  • by wolfheart111 ( 2496796 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @12:39AM (#58223314)
    Go Canucks :)
  • AI will help with that :P
  • by wolfheart111 ( 2496796 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @01:17AM (#58223408)
    thats all you need :)
  • Canada - warning drivers about speed traps is great it gets everyone to slow down and avoids wrecks in high traffic areas. US - We'll sue you and everyone one associated with you to the point where you're homeless and on the streets.
    • by green1 ( 322787 )
      Don't think that the Calgary police are purely altruistic here, many of the cameras are in places engineered to make the maximum possibly amount of money. There's a spot leaving town where the speed limit goes up from 90kph - 110kph, and there's almost always a speed camera sitting a couple hundred meters before the change, she you can see the sign for the increase, where the road has already widened to look like the out of town highway, and where people have already drifted up towards the higher speed. The
  • by Computershack ( 1143409 ) on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @09:30AM (#58224706)
    We have it in the UK and in addition to there being lots of fixed cameras not on it it'll warn you of ones on the opposite side of a motorway (freeway) which only detects traffic going the other way and there are false positives too. It is pretty much THE WORST at doing speed camera warnings and if anyone is relying on it to keep their license they may want to think again.

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