People Changing Jobs Too Often Could Be Punished by China's Social Credit System (abacusnews.com) 201
Lots of things can hurt your social credit in China. Failing to repay your debts, plagiarizing academic articles and building a debt-laden tech empire and then fleeing to another country, to name a few random examples. One province now wants to add another "discredited behavior" that seems much more harmless: Switching jobs too often. From a report: Zhejiang is pushing to build a local social credit system that will, among other things, deem residents a "discredited" person if they move from job to job too frequently, according to a local TV report. "If someone keeps quitting and landing new jobs, his social credit will definitely be a problem," Zhejiang official Ge Pingan said at a local forum, addressing a complaint from one company's human resources department about being unable to do anything when employees want to leave. Ge didn't specify how "frequently" is too frequent, but he said the upcoming system will put restrictions on both companies and individual workers.
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Big Brother is alive and well over there!
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not with the 1st in place and there lot's of people who will fight to the death if they try to take the 2th away.
Re: China is such a great place (Score:2)
Cybernetic totalitarianism FTW!
Re:China is such a great place (Score:5, Insightful)
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Serfs were not slaves. Serfs were people under military protection from bandits, who had by right a row of farmland to work, and if the local farming practices included horse-driven plows, the local Lord was responsible for plowing that row for them. And in return they were required to provide a certain number of days of labor to the Lord, and to the Church. The Church was then also required to use some of that for Sunday Alms. Which in that period meant a bowl of soup and a glass of beer.
Farmers who were n
Really sick argument (Score:5, Interesting)
"If someone keeps quitting and landing new jobs, his social credit will definitely be a problem," Zhejiang official Ge Pingan said at a local forum, addressing a complaint from one company's human resources department about being unable to do anything when employees want to leave.
This is a really sick viewpoint, although in this case there isn't much cultural difference between the east and west. Plenty of business owners in the US would love to have ways to keep employees other than providing a good work experience and fair pay.
Re:Really sick argument (Score:5, Insightful)
"If someone keeps quitting and landing new jobs, his social credit will definitely be a problem," Zhejiang official Ge Pingan said at a local forum, addressing a complaint from one company's human resources department about being unable to do anything when employees want to leave.
This is a really sick viewpoint, although in this case there isn't much cultural difference between the east and west. Plenty of business owners in the US would love to have ways to keep employees other than providing a good work experience and fair pay.
Yes, but the U.S. does not have a government-operated "social credit system" that allows business owners to prevent people from traveling, or even from using public transportation, if they switch jobs.
Not Yet... (Score:4, Insightful)
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it is only a matter of time before the US adopts similar policies.
America already has a similar system [thestreet.com]. We are ahead of China on this. The big difference is that in America your credit score is controlled by corporations rather than the government. But similar criteria are used, and excessive job-hopping can hurt your score.
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your fico score doesn't prevent you from using public transportation
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One of the reasons lots of us don't want to be dependent on public transportation. We are not necessarily interested in being compliant citizen-units.
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So what do you do, stay at home and go on tediously long road trips?
Because "public transportation" includes travel by plane and ferry as well. In China, you can be blocked from getting plane tickets and such. And you can be blocked from getting a passport as well (good luck going anywhere outside the country without a passport).
Hell, I'd expect China to soon
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"It's also a form of caste system - born to parents of poor social credit will generally make you have poor social credit as well. And the ways to "get out" are extremely limited. When you're scraping the bottom of the barrel for today's meal, the options to increase your score are limited and you'll likely do things that reduce your score just to eat."
So pretty much just like the American "credit score" system. A little bit more invasive; but also a little bit more honest and open.
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it is only a matter of time before the US adopts similar policies.
America already has a similar system [thestreet.com]. We are ahead of China on this. The big difference is that in America your credit score is controlled by corporations rather than the government. But similar criteria are used, and excessive job-hopping can hurt your score.
The scary thing about the Chinese system is that it's unclear what the eventual effects of the social credit score will be. There only seem to be suggestions of effects that could occur. In contrast, the US credit report system has been in effect for a much longer time. Employment history is not a factor in credit scores but does appear in credit reports, and the reader of the report can decide how to use that information or whether to ignore it completely. It's entirely understandable that a lender wou
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I thought everyone knew this. When you apply for a loan they want to know how long you have been in your current job, because in the first six months probation period it's easier to fire you... Oh wait, it's America, you have no employment rights.
This is actually something we should fix in the UK. Ban considering how long you have been in your job for when applying for a loan, because it discourages people from changing jobs. Make sure credit reference agencies can't report it.
Re:Not Yet... (Score:4, Interesting)
Would you tell doctors that they can't use how long a person has been smoking in any diagnoses that they make for patients? Of course not, because relevant data is relevant data. If it's not useful, then it isn't used. You don't need to ban lenders from considering shoe size when giving out loans, because it's not useful so they don't use it. If they think that it matters, it probably does.
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Is a trade off between better info for making decisions and the negative effect of discouraging people not to switch jobs.
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Thanks for that, Xibot.
The credit scoring system is essentially for one purpose only, are you credit worthy. The credit scoring companies do not care if you are a 'bad citizen' in any way apart from paying your debts.
We have credit scoring in the UK. I have never needed to know my credit score and it does not affect my life in any way.
"Social credit" is about 10 levels of sinister above normal financial credit scoring.
You should be thouroughly ashamed to be an apologist for such a brutal and increasingly si
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So why does cops routinely consult credit score of people they arrest?
I'd like a citation for this.
That is explicitly illegal (the federal Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA) does not allow it unless they have a court order.)
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My credit score doesn't affect my ability to ride public transit, travel get healthcare or do other things the Chinese social credit system does.
The only thing the US credit score affects is your ability to borrow money in all it's many forms.
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My credit score doesn't affect my ability to ride public transit, travel
Yet
get healthcare
You're kidding, right?
If you need some expensive medical treatment, but are not about to die in the next day or so without it, you will need approval from the hospital's billing department before your treatment. That approval is contingent on you either 1) paying for everything in cash, 2) paying all deductibles and co-pays in cash if your insurance approves, or 3) approval for financing. The last one is dependent on your FICO score. And arguably, #1 and #2 are also dependent on your FICO score becaus
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The only thing the US credit score affects is your ability to borrow money in all it's many forms.
Credit scores are checked for things like rental applications, security clearances, and job applications.>/p>
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"The only thing the US credit score affects is your ability to borrow money in all it's many forms."
It also directly affects one's ability to secure housing and employment.
China's social credit system may be worse, however let's not pretend our "credit score" system is anything but a form of neo-feudal totalitarianism.
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Good thing that China is such a shining example of how to do socialism the right way.
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Dare I say...whoosh!
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Except that wouldn't be capitalism. Even under Marxian theory, people can capitalize on their own labor (Marx had a certain fondness of the US by the way, even when labor conditions were at their worst ever.) If changing jobs was made impossible, then that doesn't allow you to capitalize on your own labor by selling it to the highest bidder.
Actually, what China has is more akin to fascism. Fascism doesn't necessarily depend on race (depends who you ask, but it didn't start that way.) Rather, fascism is all
Re: Not Yet... (Score:2)
Fascism has both an economic side and a governing side. What I'm referring to in that post is mostly economic. While China does have an actual democracy, its power structure is highly concentrated (though without free speech, democracy seems somewhat pointless.) Fascism, from a governing perspective, doesn't even pretend to be a democracy, and is more like a monarchy. So from that perspective, China wouldn't be the same as fascism, but economically, there doesn't seem to be a big difference.
d'artform of the cynigasm (Score:2)
Not long ago I read a book on Vonnegut's writing career (it was mainly a compilation of his short stories) and it turns out he slaved like a bastard to establish himself as a young author. A few elite publications paid big money if you managed to get one of your works pr
title correction (Score:2)
The correct book title is: Rule Makes, Rule Breakers: How Tight and Loose Cultures Wire Our World
Either I cut and paste from a bad source, or had some cut and paste mishap with the last word, and patched it over in the heat of the moment with the wrong tire.
A tool for repression (Score:5, Informative)
Thank you, anonymous coward Chinese troll, for your delightful fake facts.
AP News: "China bars millions from travel for ‘social credit’ offenses". ref [apnews.com]
Business Insider: "China has already started punishing people [with low social credit] by restricting their travel. Nine million people with low scores have been blocked from buying tickets for domestic flights, Channel News Asia reported in March, citing official statistics." Ref: https://www.businessinsider.com/china-social-credit-system-punishments-and-rewards-explained-2018-4
Wikipedia: "Travel ban. By the end of 2018, 5.5 million high-speed rail trips and 17.5 million flights had been denied to prospective travellers who were on a blacklist." ref [wikipedia.org]
And the "social credit" system is also used, yes, to enforce politics. Wired: "If solving problems was the real goal, the CCP would not need social credit to do it," she says. "China’s social credit system is a state-driven program designed to do one thing, to uphold and expand the Chinese Communist Party’s power." (Ref: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/china-social-credit-system-explained [wired.co.uk]
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"If someone keeps quitting and landing new jobs, his social credit will definitely be a problem," Zhejiang official Ge Pingan said at a local forum, addressing a complaint from one company's human resources department about being unable to do anything when employees want to leave.
This is a really sick viewpoint, although in this case there isn't much cultural difference between the east and west. Plenty of business owners in the US would love to have ways to keep employees other than providing a good work experience and fair pay.
Yes, but the U.S. does not have a government-operated "social credit system" that allows business owners to prevent people from traveling, or even from using public transportation, if they switch jobs.
No, we just get them fired if they supported eeeevil ballot initiatives and such.
In the US it's "Socialist Credit" (Score:2)
> Yes, but the U.S. does not have a government-operated "social credit system" that allows business
> owners to prevent people from traveling, or even from using public transportation, if they switch jobs.
The US system is operated by far-left oligarchs who go after conservatives. Case in point, a conservative who had Uber, Chase Bank, etc, "unperson" her... https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] Basically, if you don't support socialists like the Dems, you're blacklisted all over the place. Gotta keep your
Re:Really sick argument (Score:4, Interesting)
It seems rather redundant. I mean, excessive job-hopping would seem to make one less employable already. As a prospective employer, when you look at a resume and see that someone hasn't been at a job longer than a year for the past seven or eight years, you'd naturally wonder why, and might tend to assume that this person may not last long at your company either. Why codify such a "social rule" when such a tendency tends to occur naturally?
Also, the most problematic "sick viewpoint", IMO, is the government believing it has the right and perhaps even an obligation to stick its nose in every aspect of a person's life. As you said, while employers can complain about such things, only the government can really enforce the necessity for workers to live like slaves with no hope of escaping to a better job.
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It seems rather redundant. I mean, excessive job-hopping would seem to make one less employable already.
1. People lie on their resumes all the time.
2. Credit scores, in both China and America, are used for far more than employment.
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4 hours is not a "short term job", it's a task.
Task is when a regular employee does it. Job is when the client pays $100/hr for a minimum of four hours.
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And they do have those ways! Remember non-competes from Jimmy Johns, a sandwich place. Oh, you're in California where they don't honor non-competes. Working in tech field, then you probably have NDAs/claims that you are taking their intellectual property. Failing that, remember when Apple, Adobe, Google, etc. agreed not to hire each other's employees?
And that's before y
China and America actually are different (Score:5, Interesting)
...Working in tech field, then you probably have NDAs/claims that you are taking their intellectual property. Failing that, remember when Apple, Adobe, Google, etc. agreed not to hire each other's employees?
Yes, but that was challenged and ruled illegal by the U.S. government. That makes a difference: in the US, the government challenges the anticompetitive "gentleman's agreement". In China, the government enforces it.
https://www.cnet.com/news/appl... [cnet.com]
https://www.mintz.com/insights... [mintz.com]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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...Working in tech field, then you probably have NDAs/claims that you are taking their intellectual property. Failing that, remember when Apple, Adobe, Google, etc. agreed not to hire each other's employees?
Yes, but that was challenged and ruled illegal by the U.S. government. That makes a difference: in the US, the government challenges the anticompetitive "gentleman's agreement". In China, the government enforces it.
https://www.cnet.com/news/appl... [cnet.com]
https://www.mintz.com/insights... [mintz.com]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Still... where are my back wages? Where were the big fines on these companies who were involved in a criminal conspiracy that affected millions of workers.
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The four big companies—Apple, Adobe, Google, and Intel—settled for $415 million. The smaller ones—Intuit, Pixar, and Lucasfilm—settled years earlier for $20 million. If you were an employee at one of those seven companies during the time period in question (2005-2010), you would have already been contacted by the lawyers representing the class. The fact that you were neither contacted nor aware of this makes it fairly evident that your claim to being owed back wages has no basis in r
Re: China and America actually are different (Score:2)
These were the leading companies in the industry. They set the upper standard wages for millions of technology workers. I was absolutely impacted in a very negative way over a long period of time.
I would say they owe me 30 thousand dollars probably.
I would be happy to be part of a class action lawsuit, but it is probably too late
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Sure, after a decade the government said "No, bad company." But there weren't fines issued. Just an agreement not to enter into those agreements again. For a time. Fun fact, that time expired and those companies can start all over again without risking contempt of court fines/punishments! (Which are kinda scary because there isn't a presumption of innocence.... yada yada yada.)
But wait, you say. They did have to pay a settlement in a separate civil suit. Which worked out to less than than $1,000/ye
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Sure, after a decade the government said "No, bad company." But there weren't fines issued.
They settled... for $415 million.
Even for google and apple, nearly half a billion dollars is not pocket change. https://www.cnet.com/news/appl... [cnet.com]
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Yes, they (between them) settled for $415 million between them. After underpaying at least 66,000 workers for at least five years. That was my point. That's not a deterrent, it's a bargain. Or do you think that their scheme didn't depress the wages of highly skilled programmers/tech people in SF by more than $0.62/hr (assuming they only were working 40 hrs a week)
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Maybe this myth that China is Communist will finally die now.
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"If someone keeps quitting and landing new jobs, his social credit will definitely be a problem," Zhejiang official Ge Pingan said at a local forum, addressing a complaint from one company's human resources department about being unable to do anything when employees want to leave.
This is a really sick viewpoint, although in this case there isn't much cultural difference between the east and west. Plenty of business owners in the US would love to have ways to keep employees other than providing a good work experience and fair pay.
Not too long ago, the big tech companies conspired to not hire tech talent away from each other in order to depress wages in restraint of trade... oh and thanks US Government for doing jack shit about punishing that behavior. Pretty sure the wages of millions of Americans are still depressed years later from that illegal conspiracy.
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Sicker than that... your good-hearted nerds with less than ideal social skills are going to get screwed by this system. Whoever helped China design this stuff should feel very bad about what they have done to a huge population of the world. This is a huge step backwards. Hell, didn't anybody watch a few Black Mirror episodes?!
Re:Really sick argument (Score:4, Insightful)
As someone who has stayed in my current job for over a decade
You're an idiot.
By staying at the same employer for 10 years, you've lost out on about 2-3 large raises you would have received by changing jobs. Depending on where you are in your career, you've missed out on 2-3 promotions too.
"Stay at the same employer for decades" died out when management decided layoffs were great for their bonuses, instead of something you do as a last ditch effort to avoid bankruptcy. Yes, it means institutional knowledge is constantly flooding out the door, but that's what management decided they wanted.
Mirroring what already happens... for how long... (Score:5, Interesting)
An interesting aspect of this social credit thing is that each step mirrors things that already exist today... it's well understood that changing jobs too often looks bad on a resume. Or at least, it did before lots of people started doing that, don't even know if it's that bad these days...
That's the bad thing about a system like social credit codifying rules, is that the rules that affect your score probably change a lot more slowly than socially accepted behavior. I wonder what happens when you try to trap the unwritten morals of a society in amber at one point in time, never to change again (or to change so slowly it's essentially the case). Will that bottle up repression in the people? Or create a kind of mindless utopia that lasts forever? So far, nothing has lasted forever... or even close.
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Depends on what your definition of "too often" is. I mean, pretty much for the past 25-30 years at least, the only real way to increase your salary and position was the change jobs. Sure, you don't want to be doing it every year, but every 2-3 years, sure.
At least if you are a W2 employee.
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Sure, you don't want to be doing it every year, but every 2-3 years, sure.
Yes, about every 3 years is the sweet spot. This not only maximizes your income, but is good for companies as well. Job hoppers help ideas flow between companies, and enables rapidly growing companies to attract top talent and expand faster.
Productivity is higher in places like Silicon Valley where job hopping is common, urged on by California's ban on non-compete agreements. Jurisdictions with rigid labor markets tend to have stagnant economies, and less innovation.
Churn is good.
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... urged on by California's ban on non-compete agreements.
Quite possibly the only thing CA got right that it hasn't destroyed.
Too Often would also change by profession I think (Score:2)
Depends on what your definition of "too often" is
I was thinking about this as well. As you say for a technical profession, changing every 2-3 years seems fine as both sides get benefit.
There are other professions where maybe the reasonable period is longer, or seasonal workers who naturally would change every year. You'd hope they would account for that in this system, but who knows...
One end effect of this would you'd want to be lots more careful changing jobs, because once you started something you'd re
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Well we finally paid the war off. We're still paying off WW1 and 2, Korea is for our grandkids.
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An interesting aspect of this social credit thing is that each step mirrors things that already exist today... it's well understood that changing jobs too often looks bad on a resume. Or at least, it did before lots of people started doing that, don't even know if it's that bad these days...
That's the bad thing about a system like social credit codifying rules, is that the rules that affect your score probably change a lot more slowly than socially accepted behavior. I wonder what happens when you try to trap the unwritten morals of a society in amber at one point in time, never to change again (or to change so slowly it's essentially the case). Will that bottle up repression in the people? Or create a kind of mindless utopia that lasts forever? So far, nothing has lasted forever... or even close.
It is interesting that it kind of writes down what in other societies is unwritten.
There's something to be said for making the rules explicit, anyway. On the flip side, no society functions solely through specified rules.
Problem not Codification but Centralized Planning (Score:2, Insightful)
As you point out, there already was a "social-credit rule" for this: How people viewed your resume.
Of course, that's a decentralized codification; each individual can make his own decision about how to understand a resume. The problem here is, as always, centralization; the problem is a monopoly.
All you folks rant and rave about the dangers of a monopoly, but you can't seem to perceive that a government is itself a monopoly—the worst kind of monopoly, in fact: One grown through violent imposition rath
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Ya know, it's almost like they watched the "Nosedive" episode of Black Mirror, didn't realize that it was satire, and made an entire national policy out of it.
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Actually, the scariest thing about a social credit system isn't codifying the rules, it's that they are not public. So everyone worries about any given act and self-polices. It's actually too easy to change the rules - well-placed rumors can have people refusing to wear red shirts (the color of Pooh's shirt), or otherwise behaving in cargo-cult ways. Which is great for an authoritarian system bent on control (let the rebels wear their red undershirts as opposed to take on the system!), but horrible for l
Great points (Score:2)
the scariest thing about a social credit system isn't codifying the rules, it's that they are not public.
That is a great point, and if the rules becomes complex enough even the supposed rulers may not understand what the choices being made!!
It's actually too easy to change the rules
This is also a great point - either the rules can be easily shifted without the public reality knowing, or (very probably) selectively applied to some specific individuals (for worse or better, like bribing someone to alter your
That already exists. It's called "Religion". (Score:4, Insightful)
I wonder what happens when you try to trap the unwritten morals of a society in amber at one point in time, never to change again (or to change so slowly it's essentially the case). Will that bottle up repression in the people?
That already exists. It's called "Religion". And yes, it does pretty much exactly that.
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I don't enjoy having sex with rocks.
This does not mean my fetish is "not having sex with rocks".
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I wonder what happens when you try to trap the unwritten morals of a society in amber at one point in time, never to change again (or to change so slowly it's essentially the case). Will that bottle up repression in the people?
That already exists. It's called "Religion". And yes, it does pretty much exactly that.
I get that it's popular to take cheap shots at religion but it actually has changed quite a bit over the years. Some factions have gone so far as to completely drop well established historical teachings and norms in favor of what's trendy this year.
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Businesses adapt to new market pressures. So they change the tune so that the lie keeps reeling in new customers.
Basic supply and demand.
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... it's well understood that changing jobs too often looks bad on a resume.
"Looks bad on a résumé" is a far cry from "prevents you from having a bank account or traveling to other countries and taints not just you but your family, friends, and associates as well".
The problem is not some nebulous concept of "social credit" as a way to quantify someone's reputation within a specific context, like a credit score in the context of loans, but rather the fact that this particular form of "social credit" is backed by legal force in a regime which casts various natural human
Re: Mirroring what already happens... for how long (Score:2)
Keep repeating that your "credit score" only impacts your ability to get a loan. Maybe if enough people repeat that mantra, it will magically become true!
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An interesting aspect of this social credit thing is that each step mirrors things that already exist today... it's well understood that changing jobs too often looks bad on a resume. Or at least, it did before lots of people started doing that, don't even know if it's that bad these days...
That's the bad thing about a system like social credit codifying rules, is that the rules that affect your score probably change a lot more slowly than socially accepted behavior. I wonder what happens when you try to trap the unwritten morals of a society in amber at one point in time, never to change again (or to change so slowly it's essentially the case). Will that bottle up repression in the people? Or create a kind of mindless utopia that lasts forever? So far, nothing has lasted forever... or even close.
There is otherwise nothing wrong with someone wanting to discourage most of the kinds of behaviors that China wants to discourage... What is wrong is using force against people who are simply exercising their human rights.
Most of the behaviors that have been cited are things that in the US and many other countries are simply
discouraged because of social pressures. But ultimately leaving a job, or finding a new place to live or finding new friends is a way to move on and move forward. Having such a regimen
Red Scare Reporting (Score:1, Informative)
Every article that I read on this is propagandized to hell and back. Here's a thread from a journalist who has actually read through the stuff. People who owe tons of back taxes might be forced to buy regular plane/train tickets instead of first class. The horror... The horror...
https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/975536363364696064?lang=en
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No it isn't helpful at all. Some random guy on Twitter isn't a reliable source for anything.
Ahh, the "progressive" ideal! (Score:1, Insightful)
Punish people for doing things we don't agree with!
How much more "progressive" can you get?
Re: Ahh, the "progressive" ideal! (Score:1)
You have that backwards. Conservatives are all about punishment.
Conservative and "progressive" ideal! (Score:1)
Punish people for doing things we don't agree with! How much more "progressive" can you get?
You have that backwards. Conservatives are all about punishment.
Both conservatives and "progressives" are all about punishing people for doing (or saying) things they don't agree with.
Liberalism was about the "let everybody do their own thing". But the progressives killed liberalism.
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They love the word "liberty," but hardly any of the policies they want would increase liberty. They would just replace it with corporate dictatorship.
They would replace our current imperfect freedom with an America of nothing but gated communities with repressive regulations that can't be challenged in court, and corporate malls with repressive regulations that can't be challenged in court.
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Corporations are creatures of government; they are protected from repercussions by all manner of laws.
To the contrary. Governments are the only entities that can put limitations on corporations.
Your belief that if there weren't governments, corporations would be benign is... touching, but naïve. They'll suck out your blood and sell it to the highest bidder if they can.
Yes, conservatives suppress free speech (Score:3, Informative)
Really? Who is trying to deplatform those they don't agree with? It isn't the right.
Yes it is.
Incidents at Harvard and Catholic Universities challenge idea that liberals are the only ones preventing ideas from being voiced on campuses. [insidehighered.com]
"The Hosty case is only part of the growing conservative attack on freedom of speech on campus." [inthesetimes.com]
Data shows a surprising campus free speech problem: left-wingers being fired for their opinions [vox.com]
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Really? Who is trying to deplatform those they don't agree with? It isn't the right.
Yes it is.
Incidents at Harvard and Catholic Universities challenge idea that liberals are the only ones preventing ideas from being voiced on campuses. [insidehighered.com]
"The Hosty case is only part of the growing conservative attack on freedom of speech on campus." [inthesetimes.com]
Data shows a surprising campus free speech problem: left-wingers being fired for their opinions [vox.com]
Oh please.
A. Man bites dog. You know perfectly well that the vast tide is in the other direction.
B. Seriously, Catholic universities? What would you expect? I don't think anybody would object to explicitly Leftist Universities requiring leftism from their faculty.
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The Left is the one talking about being revolutionary, and toppling head-over-heals the existing societal structures, while conservatives are the ones trying to preserve it
The status quo is unfair. That's why Hillary Clinton couldn't get elected. Trump convinced people that he would change the status quo, while Clinton was the business-as-usual candidate. Of course, Trump's changes to the status quo have all been harmful. Parts of his base got a small tax cut once, but it's all downhill from here for all but the wealthiest of them. People do want the wealthiest among us to pay more, and justly so; the worker's share of the profits has been falling throughout history, even as
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Which party currently has a KKK member as a state gov?
Hint: Its the DNC with Northam.
Which party kept a KKK leader as their Senate leader until he finally died after serving in the Senate for 60 years?
Hint: Its the DNC with Byrd
Were = Are when it comes to the DNC supporting the KKK. In fact one of you liberal bigots, XXongo, just posted a story claiming that gays/women/Jews being censored with violence isn't worth mentioning because they are not real people.
Sorry, but you liberals are the racists ones at
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Really? Who is trying to deplatform those they don't agree with? It isn't the right.
I imagine that people who aren't Christian, are gay or lesbian, or smoke marijuana wish that "deplatform" was the worst thing that happened to them.
US job length (Score:2)
However, in the IT/Development world it is different situation.
From what I've heard anecdotally and in job interviews it appears that employers expect people to bounce around.
Some employers almost expect hires to last 1-3 years and then move on.
Reminds me of Tacoma (Score:2)
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Sounds like the past.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Opposite behavior in the USA (Score:3)
Switching jobs about every two years allows you to maximize your earning potential.
Companies whine about employees not being loyal but they partially created this problem:
* Asymmetrical respect. They can fire you at any time but when YOU want to end the business relationship they expect two weeks.
* no or meaningless rewards for being a loyal, long term employee
* don't offer pay increases comparable to switching to a new job
* idiotic "Human Resources" dept. as if people are resources to be strip-mined instead of treating them as an asset
Getting this back on topic:
China wants to reward bad companies and penalize good people??? Color me surprised. /s
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Communist China (Score:2)
But their labor practices seem to be in the worst "capitalist" tradition.
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The 'collective' combined with unfettered capitalism, under the control of an unaccountable, unelected elite who rake in most of the gains from productivity. Seems to fit the definition of Globalism.
Breeding good little robots (Score:2)
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Oh you hate what China has become?
Seems to me to be the logical outcome of when leftists push identity politics and other conduct divide and conquer actions, while the right-wing embraces globalism with open arms. One side striving to squash dissent, conduct violence to shut down political speech, to disarm lawful citizens, to deplatform and unperson problematic individuals, while the other side makes being a wage slave a badge of honor, and being exploited by corporations one's civic duty. All while mass s
Communist nation (Score:1)
Welcome to a totalitarian Communist gov.
Contrast that with the freedom of the real China, Taiwan.
Socialism requires this. (Score:2)
To all you kids who think Socialism is some great thing, this is why the three generations before you fought so hard against it.
At least (Score:2)
they are transparent, unlike some fake democracies that are dominated by advertisements and money.