Hundreds Of People At Two LA Universities Quarantined Due To Measles Exposure (npr.org) 261
Hundreds of students and faculty at two universities in Los Angeles have been asked to stay home unless they can prove that they've been vaccinated against measles. From a report: The LA campuses of the University of California and California State University imposed the quarantine after they became aware of people infected with measles who had potentially exposed hundreds. At UCLA, a student exposed at least 500 people earlier this month; at Cal State, someone with measles went to a library and encountered hundreds. UCLA was notified by the LA County Department of Public Health that one of its students had contracted measles. After identifying people the infected student might have come in contact with while contagious, the school asked them to provide proof of immunization. On Wednesday, 119 people who couldn't provide proof were quarantined. Of those, dozens were able to prove immunity and were released from quarantine by Thursday afternoon. But 82 were still quarantined, and "a few may need to remain in quarantine for up to seven days," the school said in a statement.
That's some form of assault...send them to jail... (Score:5, Insightful)
At UCLA, a student exposed at least 500 people earlier this month; at Cal State, someone with measles went to a library and encountered hundreds.
If [unwanted] touching however soft *is* assault, these "anti-vaxers" who expose innocent folk to deadly disease should go to jail.
The USA will soon have features we only associated with the "3rd world". In some cases the 3rd world is even doing a better job when it comes to vaccination.
Send them to jail and fast before we begin to see death around here.
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..these "anti-vaxers" who expose innocent folk to deadly disease should go to jail.
But if you've had the vaccine, you're immune, right? So what's the problem, unless the vaccine doesn't work?
No, wrong (Score:2)
A vaccines effectiveness follows a gaussian distribution.
If you've received the vaccine your resistance to the disease is increased. In some people that resistance makes them symptom free, in other people the symptoms are mitigated and a small number of people can only a limited amount or even no resistance. The amount of resistance an inoculation provides is governed by the receivers own immune system.
Furthermore the more transmission a disease has the more opportunity it has to mutate into a form that c
Queen of hearts (Score:2)
If [unwanted] touching however soft *is* assault, these "anti-vaxers" who expose innocent folk to deadly disease should go to jail.
Measles does not require touch to be transmitted.
As for sending people to jail, that is absurd. No need to go all Queen of Hearts ("off with their head") here. Assault requires intent and that isn't in play here. Every single one of us transmits pathogens all the time to "innocent" people including you and me, sometimes with fatal results. If you want a consequence to not vaccinating that is fine but let's keep some semblance of proportion here. Sending a child to a state funded public school should pr
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I know this wasn't the point that you were trying to make, but I felt this was a good place to post the horrifying fact that measles is an airborne disease and, unlike most other airborne diseases, remains active in the air for 2 FRIGGIN HOURS! A single cough on a subway could expose hundreds, maybe thousands of people.
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Soon?
Re:That's some form of assault...send them to jail (Score:5, Insightful)
So people don't travel abroad in the US? Last time I was in the US they didn't want to see my vaccination sheet or ask whether I had the measles yet.
What's the difference between a tourist and a refugee, disease-wise?
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The vast majority of US citizens do not travel outside the US, no.
Hell, most people in the US do not have a passport, they don't need one.
For that matter, I'd guess a majority of US citizens may never actually leave their state in their lifetimes, but I'm not sure on that number.
But the US is so large, and has such a wide and diverse landscape, there's really not much a need for most US citizens to ever need to travel abroad.
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Way to ignore the point.
The point is that for decades people came to the US, immigrants and tourists, with neither of them declaring whether and which vaccinations they had, but only now that idiots keep spreading the anti-vax bullshit on the internet we're dealing with measles outbreaks.
Re:That's some form of assault...send them to jail (Score:5, Insightful)
Not at all. Not even close.
Let's follow your logic. "It's eradicated!". OK, fine...
Now:
- no goods from outside the country, can be imported
- no people can visit
- no people can leave the country and visit
So you'd basically have to shut down all trade, all tourism, and all people vacationing, to ensure it never came back.
That's why you continue to vaccinate. On top of that, measles was *never* eradicated in the US, ever. There were 63 cases in 2010. And it's not "those stinking immigrants!", hell no.
People just need to stop being dumbasses.
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Re:That's some form of assault...send them to jail (Score:4, Informative)
The USA will soon have features we only associated with the "3rd world".
While I'm all in favor of vaccinations, measles was practically eradicated from the US.
I suspect the culprit is at least as much inviting the third world to all come here, as much as it is "anti vaxxers" ...
Some of the largest of the current outbreaks involve US residents and natural-born citizens, belonging to ulrea orthodox Jewish communities that tend to avoid vaccination, traveling to other states that are currently experiencing outbreaks of their own. They then return to the US and spread the infection among their community, and the wider population who have not been vaccinated/fully vaccinated (by choice, age or medical necessity) or those for whom the vaccine did not fully take. Immigrating and "inviting in" 3rd worlders isn't an issue here.
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Agreed. 3/4 of all measles cases in this country are from the Jewish community. We need to stop inviting those from that third world country of Israel to come here.
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While I'm all in favor of vaccinations, measles was practically eradicated from the US.
I suspect the culprit is at least as much inviting the third world to all come here, as much as it is "anti vaxxers" ...
So, is the problem immigration or tourism?
Even if the source of the problem is equally ingress of the virus into the country and a lack of herd immunity, vaccination is the only practical remedy. The annual number of tourists and visitors to the US is an order of magnitude greater than the combined number of legal and illegal immigrants. For controlling ingress of the virus into the US, immigrants are statistical noise. It's the tourists and visitors that dominate. Thus, controlling ingress of the virus
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I suspect the culprit is at least as much inviting the third world to all come here, as much as it is "anti vaxxers" ...
"3rd world" has a meaning, but it isn't what you meant here. If someone uses the term "3rd world" it's a good sign they don't know much about the 3rd world.
For the record, Mexico had fewer cases of measles last year than New York + Oregon. In Mexico, they vaccinate.
Re:That's some form of assault...send them to jail (Score:4, Insightful)
So millions of tourists every year were all "clean", but the evil immigrants are now to blame? And of course only recently, until the anti-vax craze swept across the internet, every shady illegal immigrant was absolutely disease-free.
That doesn't even begin to hold a drop of water. Try another excuse.
Re:That's some form of assault...send them to jail (Score:4, Informative)
Millions of tourists have existed for the past 50 years too, as well as parents who refuse vaccines for the children. What has changed is the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants being allowed in now.
To deny that illegal immigration is related to these outbreaks of eradicated diseases is just willful blindness. Ideological blindness.
These diseases aren't ideological nor do they have any religious or ethnic preferences. They just infect everything & anything they can, whenever they can. Diseases will come into or break out in countries no matter how hard we try to prevent it. They'll come in just as easily in documented migrants as in undocumented. They'll come in tourists from overseas as well as tourists returning from overseas, and emigrants returning from overseas.
The effective way to prevent these diseases vaccination programmes & reducing poverty. It's poverty that often creates the conditions that increase infection rates. The USA is ranked 26th of 29 OECD countries in rates of child poverty https://www.unicef-irc.org/pub... [unicef-irc.org].
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The effective way to prevent these diseases vaccination programmes & reducing poverty. It's poverty that often creates the conditions that increase infection rates.
No. The U.S.A. has a 92% vaccination rate, and in Mexico, it's 99%. The effective way to prevent these diseases is for entire populations to get vaccinated by doing away with any exemptions except as approved by a licensed physician. Notice how many of these outbreaks in the U.S.A. started in affluent areas? There is a strange cohort of the population which are prosperous and well-educated--at least on paper--who do not get their children vaccinated "just in case." These idiots who vote seem to believe in s
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What has changed is the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants being allowed in now.
Illegal, legal; allow me to use a tmesis: what-fucking-ever.
98.99% of the US population is from immigration, add in the tourists and the additional footfall is indeed nothing new.
To deny that illegal immigration is related to these outbreaks of eradicated diseases is just willful blindness
To blame them without actual evidence is malicious ignorance.
Ideological blindness.
Calling out your bullshit isn't ideology or blindness.
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So illegal immigration didn't exist for the past 50 years?
I did not know that.
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Except, you know, Mexico has a much higher vaccination rate than the USA.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.IMM.MEAS?locations=US-MX
So keep on fucking that chicken.
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Except, you know, Mexico has a much higher vaccination rate than the USA.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.IMM.MEAS?locations=US-MX
The 'Caravans' in the news are not made of people from Mexico.
They are coming to take advantage of a loop-hole in US immigration policy that relates to people not from a neighboring country(Mexico/Canada). I forget the details, but the previous administration instigated these caravans by advertising about these loop-holes.
Therefore these caravans are people from central and south america, they just happen to pass through Mexico to get here.
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Interesting, 'cause Mexico has traditionally been very strict about immigration on *their* southern border....
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Therefore these caravans are people from central and south america,
Central Americans are vaccinated, too.
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This has a lot more to do with illegal immigration than anti-vaxers refusing to immunize their kids.
The measles didn't just show up again on its own again after 50 years, it was brought here. Why no concern over that? How can you threaten to put anti-vaxers in jail while releasing illegal immigrants into the country by the thousands every day?
To copy/paste what I just posted above:
Some of the largest of the current outbreaks involve US residents and natural-born citizens, belonging to ultra orthodox Jewish communities that tend to avoid vaccination, traveling to other states that are currently experiencing outbreaks of their own. They then return to the US and spread the infection among their community, and the wider population who have not been vaccinated/fully vaccinated (by choice, age or medical necessity) or those for whom the vaccine did n
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What the fuck? You're the one trying to shut down conversation and prevent from both people understanding at-risk populations and potentially initiating actions that could save thousands of orthodox Jewish lives.
Sounds to me like you're the anti-semite in this conversation.
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Additionally, measles rarely kills people. (OTOH, I had it as a kid, perhaps if you're first exposed as an adult it's more serious.) The problem, IIUC, is secondary damage that's persistent. Blindness, twitches, that kind of thing.
Eradicated 2000 (Score:3)
Back now due to retards reading Facebook and believing Celebrities on Medical advice.
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Back now due to retards reading Facebook and believing Celebrities on Medical advice.
Eradicated is like bricked, in that if it comes back, then it wasn't.
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Back now due to retards reading Facebook and believing Celebrities on Medical advice.
Eradicated is like bricked, in that if it comes back, then it wasn't.
bricked, in that if you throw away the old one and buy a new one, then one's device is no longer bricked
Measles was eradicated in the United States, not the entire world and it could be brought back by someone. Drinking the last of the milk in the carton eradicates it from one's house, but not the rest of the world and one can go buy more milk at the store, bring it back to one's house and it is no longer eradicated from one's house..
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I've been immunized against Facebook but it hasn't been eradicated from my house yet.
Proof of immunization (Score:5, Interesting)
Providing proof of immunization could be extremely difficult if not impossible for many people. I'm in my 40s, and there are most certainly students older than me currently attending that school. I have no idea how I would go about getting my immunization record from when I was that young. The long-term family doctor I went to in my youth is dead, his practice is gone. This is not the sort of thing people keep records of once they are no longer attending public school. Sounds quite discriminatory against people who are not straight out of high school or aren't US citizens that may not have relatively easy access to this kind of record.
Re:Proof of immunization (Score:5, Informative)
You can take a measles antibody test to show that you've had the disease or been vaccinated for it.The bottom line is that we have to stop providing outs for people who are not contraindicated for the vaccine or else you're going to get outbreaks.
Just make them pay for it (Score:2)
Add up the cost of fighting the measles outbreak for this year. Add up the number of people who asked for vaccine exemptions this year. Divide the cost by the number of people who got an exemption, and set that as how much it costs to get an exemption next year. Repeat every year.
The beauty of this is that it's self-stabilizing. The more outbreaks there
Re: Proof of immunization (Score:2)
People have a right not to be vaccinated.
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You can always just go and get the vaccine now. It isn't expensive, in most locations they even have programs to cover the cost if you can't afford it.
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You can always just go and get the vaccine now.
1. Only if I'm OK with also taking additional doses of other unnecessary vaccines. The monovalent measles vaccine was discontinued in 2009 [cdc.gov] -- it's now only available in combination with others (e.g., MMR).
2. There will be supply issues if large swaths of the population who wouldn't otherwise need it are also suddenly trying to get it at the same time due to policies like this.
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"1. Only if I'm OK"
It is a public health and safety issue. With all due respect, feels and willingness aren't a factor. Others don't have to risk their lives because of how you feel about the situation. Maybe you have been vaccinated but the risk if you are lying is great and the harm if you aren't is essentially nil.
"2. There will be supply issues if large swaths of the population"
Your hypothetical fails to establish that there are large swaths of the population this circumstance applies to. There are prof
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Others don't have to risk their lives because of how you feel about the situation.
This sort of incendiary rhetoric gets bandied about quite a bit. Risk of death from measles for someone in the United States, particularly someone who has been vaccinated, is close to statistically zero, and certainly orders of magnitude lower than deaths from other causes that are just as preventable if we took just as heavy a hand toward them as people want to do here. If you believe you have hard evidence to the contrary, I'm happy to look at it.
Your hypothetical fails to establish that there are large swaths of the population this circumstance applies to.
This circumstance applies to just as much of the populati
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"You have more of a risk from dying from the measles vaccine than you do from measles in the US."
Nice try. The measles is less likely to kill you because you are less likely to contract the measles due to widespread vaccination so the aggregate "chance of dying of" statistic is meaningless . If given the choice between being injected with full strength measles or the vaccine you are without question are far more likely to die or suffer permanent harm if you choose full strength measles. Your chances of dyin
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Is there a reason why you wouldn't be OK with getting a multivalent vaccine? I fail to see the downside?
Re:Proof of immunization (Score:4, Insightful)
Just go get vaccinated again. They are covered by insurance so it won't cost you anything. In fact, some older adults should be getting some of their vaccines again anyway. Ask the doctor, he'll hook you up.
It's not discriminatory. For people who can't afford it, there are clinics that will vaccinate for free.
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There are clinics everywhere that will give you vaccines for little or no money. You don't need insurance to be immunized.
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There are antibodies in your blood if you had the measles or a relevant vaccination. These can be detected.
Yes, it actually is that easy.
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Fine by me, too.
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Here in Canada, we have no such problem. Everyone gets a card where the physician signs with each vaccine shot the person gets.
Moreover, these vaccinations are reported to the regional heath office, and they keep track of other vaccines that are given (e.g. when the regional health office conducts vaccinations at schools, e.g. Human Papilloma Virus at a certain age).
The health office also sends you a note if your kid missed any booster shots, which is a nice reminder if you and your physician forgets.
But, t
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Providing proof of immunization could be extremely difficult if not impossible for many people. I'm in my 40s, and there are most certainly students older than me currently attending that school. I have no idea how I would go about getting my immunization record from when I was that young.
You really need to be getting booster shots for your immunizations now. Especially DPT, which has an effective span of less than 40 years. I had all my shots when I was little and I still caught pertussis in my late 30s. Fortunately the lingering effects of my immunization meant it didn't get as bad as it could have, but I coughed for the full 100 days. After that I started searching and discovered that yes, immunizations wear off and need to be refreshed.
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This is a valid point, but it's more importantly it should serve as a reminder for the rest of us to keep those records handy - or locate a copy of them and have them on hand.
I have them for my children, but mine (I'm also in my 40s) may be a little more difficult to find.
If there was a sudden, major outbreak of measles/mumps (or heaven forbid polio - which unlike smallpox, is a realistic possibility) there could come a panic/crisis when having proof of inocculation may be necessary just to go out in public
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Most states maintain databases of vaccine records. So you may be in those, depending on when and where you were vaccinated. Also, your past schools may have the records you supplied at the time.
Also, "poor record keeper" is not a protected class, so it's not legally considered discriminatory.
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Yes.
I took a trip, and am in my 40s, and had the same issue. No way to find the doctor / etc.
I knew I had *some*, in fact I knew I had all vaccinations "at the time", as my parents made sure of it.
So luckily, I found my local health board, and found someone with some time. She went back, and found all the things that someone of my age, in my province, would have received.
I then went and got whatever else I needed, plus tetanus, and got a shot of MMRV vaccine...
MMR vaccine is safe and effective. A person w
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I don't even know, can you have the vaccination at my age?
Assuming you have no allergies or similar complications, yep you can have it.
Ask your doctor for a real evaluation on whether or not it's good for you to get it.
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Bank records, social security cards, passports, birth certificates, deeds, VACCINATION RECORDS, etc... you should have originals and copies stored in safe and separate locations.
You're exactly right! Damn my 10 year old self for not being more responsible and asking my parents to put my vaccination records in a safe deposit box for use 35 years later! Most irresponsible 10 year old ever! "Mom, for my birthday this year I want you to make copies of my vaccination records and store them in safe and separate locations."
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I guess I'm stupid too, as I've also survived over four decades without ever encountering the word 'titers'.
How fortunate you are that you know everything about everything. Can we worship you?
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Is it time yet? (Score:2)
thia is what fascism looks like (Score:3)
period
Re:Just let nature sort itself out. (Score:5, Insightful)
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There's only one problem with that. People are also very adept at learning exactly the wrong lesson in the face of such tragedies.
A particularly conservative family member of mine actually started blaming Muslims for bringing it over, and that this is an example of why they "should go back where they came from".
Once I was able to recover from my shock at such a breathtakingly stupid statement, I simply asked, "So people don't travel?"
I didn't press the issue cause I would have had more success bashing my h
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If you travel to a diseased part of the world, then you should provide proof that you were adequately protected from picking up that disease. You should also have to report sickness upon returning, or be fined thereafter for spreading disease. This stuff is no joke; it's why we have a goddamn government in the first place: To protect the borders from infiltration.
As for the Muslims "going back", they probably should—not because of their religion or ethnicity, but because they tend to be Unamerican. They just don't get what it means to be an American: To support a small, restricted, 3-branch government whose sole role is to protect individual rights (and NOTHING more).
And you too can be a modern conservative if you are unable to grasp the massive contradiction between these paragraphs.
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I don't think it matters. Humans seem to have difficulty learning from and following good examples. We always need a few horrible warnings around to remind us of the consequences and keep people in line. Measles isn't particularly deadly with modern medicine and treatment, but there are worse diseases out there. Polio hasn't been fully eradicated from the world yet, and something like small pox would be horrendous if it crept out of hiding.
Statistically, irrespective of age, one in 10000 people stricken with measles will die from it.
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I don't wish harm to my fellow man, but I do agree. But it's not just yourself or your child you're putting at risk. Some people are unable to be vaccinated for legitimate medical reasons, such as being immunocompromised. Without the herd immunity, they're at a higher risk of getting measles from coming into contact with contagious unvaccinated people.
Re:Just let nature sort itself out. (Score:5, Insightful)
It isn't just that, unvaccinated people allow the disease a greater population and chance to mutate in a way we can no longer defend against.
Re:Doesn't the same reasoning apply? (Score:5, Insightful)
You mean like infants?
Re:Doesn't the same reasoning apply? (Score:5, Insightful)
You mean like infants?
Please mod this up.
Also, people who've had organ/tissue transplants & have to take immunosuppressants for the rest of their lives.
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The world would be better off without those immunocompromised people. They are a self-perpetuating problem.
There are few enough immunocompromised people that they would be protected by the herd effect if it were not for the brain-compromised not exercising their immune systems to prevent disease. Those are the people the world would be better off without.
Re:Just let nature sort itself out. (Score:5, Insightful)
Antivaxxers are like drunk drivers. If they could only kill themselves, I'd have no problem with them at all.
Unfortunately they are quite capable of killing others, too.
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If vaccination is 100% effective in preventing the disease, then a small population of people without vaccinations would be a self-contained problem.
The problem is... Vaccination isn't 100% effective. Vaccinated people can still get sick.
In the case of this story, authorities are making the assumption that "proof of vaccination is proof that you won't get sick". If the situation is serious enough to quarantine, then they shouldn't be breaking quarantine by allowing people who have been EXPOSED to the virus
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No vaccination is 100% effective. But the combination of 95% effectiveness pretty much ensures that outbreaks are nonexistent.
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What's there to understand? Self-absorbed, self-righteous bastards with zero concern for society. The faster they get weeded out, the better.
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It's always by either ideology or nature. Every religion (that's large enough) has insightful people who believe in it. The insightful ones just don't believe the simplistic version of the religion. And every religion, including materialism and atheism, has a lot more un-insightful people who believe in it than insightful ones. You will have some religion. It's up to you whether or not you're insightful.
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Thanks for pointing this out. Many, many vaccines are like this, it's not just measles.
And the effectiveness varies, too. Some are never fully vaccinated, no matter how many shots they get! An some diseases are REALLY easy to catch, they stay airborne for hours and hours. I recall a story of someone in an airport lounge, having yellow fever, and 4 hours later a dozen people caught it from the same room.
I mean -- if I'm 90% vaccinated, I wouldn't want to be in that room....
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I think they should get a mandatory shot.
Out of a syringe or a gun, your choice.
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And the illegal immigrants only recently got measles? Never had them before in the years and decades before the anti-vax bullshit hit the internet en masse?
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You never checked medical records properly. But that's not even the point.
I'd be more interested in your explanation why there are no outbreaks in Mexico. Are the illegal aliens holding their breath 'til they arrive in the US before they spread their germs? Holding it in so they have a surprise gift to unwrap?
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Because outbreaks happen everywhere, are brought home when people travel, and people shouldn't be retards and not get vaccinations...
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What relation? Maybe it's not mentioned because there isn't one.
If you have evidence otherwise the state and federal health organisations would like to hear from you.
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The USA used to have a functioning medical system for its own citizens.
Now the USA is wide open to anyone with any medical conditions to wonder into.
Most normal nations have a visa system with eligibility questions about health for people wanting to enter a nation.
That keeps random sick people and sick illegal immigrants out of a nation.
That reduces the cost of having to care for illegal immigrants who need complex and expensive medical care.
I
Re:That's Fucked Up (Score:4, Informative)
You know how you get a measles outbreak? You put everyone who isn't known to be vaccinated in the same quarantine area as the 1-2 people known to have it.
I hope all the survivors sue.
This isn't like the movie Outbreak where they have a camp set up on the football field of the local high school surrounded by a fences and armed guards, burning piles of dead bodies in the back . They are simply told to remain in their home/dorm room and to avoid contact with others for 2 weeks. The article I read said the schools are also assisting students on campus who are quarantined, probably finding them (or their roommates) alternative lodging during the quarantine period and ensuring they have access to food and necessary services/facilities.
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They are simply told to remain in their ... dorm room and to avoid contact with others for 2 weeks.
If you don't perceive the level of cognitive dissonance loaded into that sentence, I suspect you've never lived in a dorm.
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They are simply told to remain in their ... dorm room and to avoid contact with others for 2 weeks.
If you don't perceive the level of cognitive dissonance loaded into that sentence, I suspect you've never lived in a dorm.
I've lived in dorms ranging from little more than a minimum security prison(2 students, one cinderblock room with 2 built in sinks, attached to a small hallway with 3 other rooms all sharing a bathroom, with an outer door leading to the outside-it was even a U shaped building with a "courtyard" consisting of little more than a basketball court)), all the way to apartment style. And as a lifelong nerd, I can assure you that it is easy to avoid contact with people if you so desire, even in cramped environs s
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And as a lifelong nerd, I can assure you that it is easy to avoid contact with people if you so desire, even in cramped environs such as a dorm.
I'm not sure you understand what "contact" means in this situation. Here, you're talking about a virus that's so virulent that I can sneeze in a room, immediately leave, and up to 2 hours later [cdc.gov] you can walk in that room, take one breath, and catch the virus. There's no feasible way to keep something like that to yourself in a dorm environment.
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And as a lifelong nerd, I can assure you that it is easy to avoid contact with people if you so desire, even in cramped environs such as a dorm.
I'm not sure you understand what "contact" means in this situation. Here, you're talking about a virus that's so virulent that I can sneeze in a room, immediately leave, and up to 2 hours later [cdc.gov] you can walk in that room, take one breath, and catch the virus. There's no feasible way to keep something like that to yourself in a dorm environment.
Your dorm didn't have door locks?
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Your dorm didn't have door locks?
Your very last post:
I've lived in dorms ranging from little more than a minimum security prison(2 students, one cinderblock room with 2 built in sinks, attached to a small hallway with 3 other rooms all sharing a bathroom
I'm now more than comfortable you're just trolling. Carry on.
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My homes throughout my time at university all had shared kitchen and shared bathroom.
Avoiding human contact entirely was just not going to be happening.
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That's the death rate amongst the general population.
Fatality rate amongst people actually catching the disease is around 2 per 1000.
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The disease is coming across the border regardless of what the idiots on the left say.
Good luck walling off all those international airports, since those are the main transmission vectors for the international spread of communicable disease (and also where most illegal immigrants, those who overstay visas, enter the US). Guess you'll just have to build a dome over all of them.
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Thats the difference between a normal nations visa system with health questions and a nation left wide open for illegal immigration. Illegal immigration that has no medical questions and documents.
A random person with a passport wants to enter, visit, study in, move to the USA.
Dont have the needed medical records to present to a US embassy before
Re:Build the wall (Score:5, Informative)
Central and South American countries have vaccination rates higher than the places in the US currently experiencing outbreaks.
It's not the immigrants.
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> Central and South American countries have vaccination rates higher than the places in the US currently experiencing outbreaks.
I'll wait for your source. Of course, those that modded you up did not, because it's feel-good virtue signaling. Meanwhile:
Oh, look, here's Guatemala: 67%
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You can bet this was a publicity stunt to fight the agenda of anti-vaxxers. It is not a coincidence that a quarantine was initiated at a university.
You're right. There is no logical way that a place with large numbers of people-from diverse ethnic and national backgrounds who may have come from or traveled to/through places where measles has not been eradicated-in close contact with each other could ever have an outbreak of a communicable disease requiring a quarantine. It's totally a conspiracy.
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Returning from a nation with a communicable disease problem to the US without the correct medical documents before leaving the USA?
Enjoy some quarantine and medical tests on returning to the USA.
Found to be healthy? Return to the USA healthy and with no contagious health problems to spread in the USA.
Found to be sick and contagious? Stay under approved US medical care until not c
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fight the agenda of anti-vaxxers
This "agenda" should be killed with fire, along with those who perpetuate it.
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So if they are non US citizens but going to those schools, are they not allowed in these schools without that documentation?
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