Huawei Says It's Scrapping Laptop Launch Because of US Blacklisting (cnbc.com) 95
Huawei has ditched a product launch for the first time since the US placed it on a trade blacklist. From a report: Richard Yu, CEO of Huawei's consumer division, told CNBC that the firm had formally planned to launch a new product in its Matebook series without giving a date, but it had been indefinitely put on hold. He said that being on the U.S. Entity List, which restricts American companies from selling products to Huawei, had caused the cancellation. "We cannot supply the PC," Yu said, adding that the situation is "unfortunate." When asked if the laptop could be launched at a later date, Yu said it "depends on how long the Entity List will be there." He acknowledged that, if Huawei is on the blacklist for a long time, the laptop will not be able to be launched.
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Oh no, we miss out on knockoff Macbooks with even more potential spyware than the Lenovo consumer line. How ever will us murricans survive without them?
As opposed to the USA where they'll just seize your laptops and mobile phones upon arrival and the NSA, FBI and Homeland Sec are constantly badgering Apple and Microsoft to put backdoors in their OSes.
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lmao, yea right. The online pro-China/anti-US propaganda is hilarious. China is literally the worst trading partner in the entire world.
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I'd upvote you if I had any karma to do so. A world economy needs to have honest partners that don't manipulate currency and steal secrets from their "customers".
If you think the USA don't do that then I don't know what to say. Apple for example has a long history of ripping off popular tools from independent software developers in from its App Store and without permission making it part of a new release of iOS/OSX without any credit or compensation to the original author.
Re: * In the US, who nobody really cares about (Score:1)
Microsoft too. Eg stacker to doublespace/drivespace
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Not doing business with one country is not isolation.
When countries don't have to compete with China in the cheap labor market, manufacturing will move to those countries and a Chinese recession will result as the profit-taking-on-slave-like-labor manufacturing facilities go dark.
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The US does business with China out of convenience, i.e. due to the profit motive. China does business with the US out of necessity. We have parts they can't make, and we invent things they can't invent. We could build our ability to manufacture e.g. electronic components back up if we wanted to. We don't only because certain people get richer when they are sourced from China. The US has the tech, the US has the know-how, and the US has tens of millions of unemployed. We are a net exporter of food, and of m
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The US does not do business with China out of convenience. A large fraction of - if not most - manufactured goods in the US, were manufactured in China, with few or no other potential suppliers - certainly not at comparable costs. The US cannot replace Chinese goods, at least in the short term.
At most, it can be said that the US can more easily ween itself off of Chinese manufactured goods than the other way around.
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Re:* In the US, who nobody really cares about (Score:4, Insightful)
I've found it rather ironic that downtrodden people support a political party run by rich elites that see to offshore for corporate profit and somehow think this is in their best interests. Rich people looking to get even richer are the ones that closed American factories to reopen factories overseas.
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I've found it rather ironic that downtrodden people support a political party run by rich elites...
In comic form [stonetoss.com]
The last US Presidential Election was quite strange. Hate or disagree with Trump or Clinton all you want, but it was the "rich elite" Trump who was derided for being against Globalism and unfettered Free Trade, while "left wing" political voices were touting Clinton's Wall Street support as a good thing. It's like they completely forgot about Occupy Wall Street.
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I expect China to invent things. They're smart people. The U.S. isn't as special as Americans would like to think.
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Smart people doesn't help. All places have smart people.
It is about the local sociopolitical environment, and how if affects those people.
If you don't have enough freedom, you won't invent much.
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China does business with the US out of necessity. We have parts they can't make
Such as? There's nothing made in the USA that cannot be made in China.
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So, how will the Chinese build the latest knockoff i7 processor? They can probably figure out older models and make them locally and get blacklisted in the global market. But let's say they are OK with that because of their huge local market.
It's one thing to manufacture a product, but it's quite different to design a new one and bring it to a production line. Then there is all the component drivers. Which vendors would develop drivers for their custom hardware? What about Windows & updates & s
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But even EU companies that do heavy business with the US (ie: intelligence & military) will not purchase them
Actually we are. Despite protestations from the USA the UK 5G network has gone live with Huawei 5G gear and there are no plans to stop the use of Huawei network and 5G products in UK infrastructure.
No CPUs. (Score:2, Interesting)
It seems the primary issue here is that they are incapable of purchasing CPUs to actually put in the laptops because both primary x86 vendors (Intel and AMD) are US companies.
says something about China's homegrown uP (Score:2)
I doubt they (1) have a competitive chip, (2) they can meet x86 compatibility, (3) can't sell an ARM based architecture to Huawei either, and (4) it runs Lotus.
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I thought that IBM was out of the spreadsheet business for many years.
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I doubt they (1) have a competitive chip, (2) they can meet x86 compatibility, (3) can't sell an ARM based architecture to Huawei either, and (4) it runs Lotus.
Retaliate where it hurts (Score:3)
I can't be the only one thinking this, not sure why countries don't retaliate where it hurts. Start pumping products that violate patents, say flood the market, flood patented drugs at pennies. Probably an extreme example, but Trump has alienated enough allies and countries that there is bound to be a market. Once Trump's cronies come crying, he is bound to listen.
China certainly can, who knows, they might!
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Don't they have ARM CPUs from the likes of Allwinner? Or MIPS CPUs from the likes of Loongson? Plus fabs like GSMC? They can easily install an Android knockoff on that (since China doesn't respect international property rights anyway, which is why they're being blacklisted) - maybe something like Lineage or Replicant.
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They could but it wouldn't be the same product nor have the same specs.
AMD licenses in China (Score:2)
incapable of purchasing CPUs to actually put in the laptops because both primary x86 vendors (Intel and AMD) are US companies.
Except that AMD litteraly gave license for their x86 cores to chinese companies until right before the ban [wikipedia.org].
Of course now with the ban effective China won't get the newest Zen generation 2 that were released since [tomshardware.co.uk], but China can still produce their own clone of Zen1 chips that they got pre-ban.
Makes Sense (Score:1)
Next target - Aircraft (Score:3)
Passenger aircraft to be precise. The Chinese better ramp up their decoupling from the USA in this field otherwise there's just too much dependence on American components.
If they can land probes where on the moon, where nobody has ventured before, thy surely can build [reliable] aircraft.
Good thing they appear to have started. [aerotime.aero]
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China has hitched their star to Russia for decades. A huge percentage of their military hardware are either direct copies of Russian hardware or are designs that have been evolved from older Russian designs. Which ironically means that no small part of their designs are based on very, very old American designs from WWII that Russia ended up with through Lend-Lease or as captured equipment such as American aircraft that has the misfortune to land in Russia.
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If they can land probes where on the moon, where nobody has ventured before, thy surely can build [reliable] aircraft.
Did they use any American parts or IP in their moon landing?
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If they can land probes where on the moon, where nobody has ventured before, thy surely can build [reliable] aircraft.
Why is that? If you already know what can be done in regards to a moon trip, it isn't that hard. It is merely a matter of money. You can copy what others have done pretty easily. You know about how big your rocket is supposed to be, how big the lander should be, what type of landing gear will work well, etc., etc. Landing a probe in a different spot on the moon than others have is fun for them, to be sure, but it isn't actually anything new.
Reliability isn't like that at all. There are lots of small things
Yes! Awesome!, Thiefs should not benefit (Score:3, Insightful)
Huawei a company which is built on stolen technology has no right to benefit from Western economies. Also, like ALL Chinese companies, Huawei is controlled by the Communist government.
Quiz: Which country am I describing:
1) Placed millions in concentration camps
2) Persecuted and killed anyone who criticized the government
3) Aggressively making claims on territory.
4) Occupying territory that doesn't belong to it.
A. Nazi Germany
B. Communist China
The answer is B. In addition there is a thriving organ trade based on the executed prisoners.
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1) Placed millions in concentration camps 2) Persecuted and killed anyone who criticized the government 3) Aggressively making claims on territory. 4) Occupying territory that doesn't belong to it.
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If your older than 40 and haven't worked out that America is the great evil in the world than you haven't been paying attention my friend.
How many hundreds of millions of Asians, Central and South Americans and Middle Easterners have died or been displaced because of CIA backed regime change or outright war over the last 100 years?
Re:Yes! Awesome!, Thiefs should not benefit (Score:5, Interesting)
that goes back to Drinkypoo's comment on convenience. Huawei is where it is because Cisco stupidly engaged Huawei to manufacture Cisco products. They simply used IOS on their own products when the relationship with Cisco broke down, and only on the threat of blacklist did they write their own software for these products.
Cisco, looking for cheaper manufacturing, gave away the store.
PC's no longer profitable. (Score:2)